Web browsers need to stop 📦

11    23 Aug 2020 13:33 by u/SEELE

14 comments

5 u/_xy0_ 23 Aug 2020 18:08
Firefox, Iceweasal and derivatives like Waterfox and other "stripped-down" versions of _open source_ browsers are perfectly fine. However, web developers need to stop loading pages up with 13MB of javascript that is just a bunch of repo-bloat to make a button look 3D and stream your interactions to 9 encrypted AWS endpoints. This may be unpopular, but HTML, light CSS, and maybe, MAYBE one or two javascript onclick events is all a web page needs---and was designed for. If you want to play VR Skyrim in a chat box on Facebook, maybe require a plug-in? Or at least make it dynamicly loaded and not default mining bitcoin on my iPhone 4 kthx.
3 u/SEELE [OP] 23 Aug 2020 19:17
I agree completely. It's all driven by the ad and entertainment industries. Maybe there should be two HTML standards, a heavy one for entertainment and a lightweight one for information and communication. (Not that new standards ever fixes anything.)
1 u/_xy0_ 23 Aug 2020 21:26
hah. what you talking about kind of already exists, but it's not strictly enforced. A.k.a. desktop mode versus mobile mode .
-6 u/_Account_amj 23 Aug 2020 14:25
I honestly don't know what the fuck this guy is mad about. Chrome works fine, I don't use any other randomass browser because Chrome works fine.
8 u/SEELE [OP] 23 Aug 2020 14:31
As a user you might not know, but as a developer Chrome is becoming completely insane. They keep adding crazy new "standards" like Web MIDI that 99% of people don't use, and which would be better implemented as a plugin. Every one of these additions increases the attack surface of Chrome and makes it harder for potential competitors to develop their own browser.
-8 u/_Account_amj 23 Aug 2020 14:36
>makes it harder for potential competitors to develop their own browser No business anywhere that has ever existed will stop doing something because of this lmao. > They keep adding crazy new "standards" like Web MIDI that 99% of people don't use So they keep adding new features that some people use. > Every one of these additions increases the attack surface of Chrome I guess this actually sounds bad, I don't want a virus or to get all my passwords haxxed.
4 u/SEELE [OP] 23 Aug 2020 14:44
> No business anywhere that has ever existed will stop doing something because of this lmao. Yes, but the web isn't driven by a single business. There are standards bodies involved that can reject new changes as long as the small players (Safari and Mozilla) go along with the decision. Google could still implement those changes without consensus like Microsoft did long ago with IE, but eventually this behavior would catch up to Google like it did with MS. The problem is that the standards bodies have become weak and toothless, and most of Mozilla's revenue comes from an agreement with Google, so they don't ever give any significant opposition to Google. It's really an antitrust issue at this point.
3 u/AngusMacStretchum 23 Aug 2020 15:10
I was already having problems with browsers before, but knowing this makes it even worse. I wish Firefox could go back to the old model on how they did things instead of trying to become a redundant browser that copies so much of Chrome's look and feel. Coupled with their abandonment of complete themes, dumbing down aspects of the UI, and focusing on things that don't matter like Pocket, it's that kind of stuff that drove me away from Firefox after I had used it for over ten years. I was just fed up with browsers trying to strip away features to copy Chrome or throwing in bells and whistles nobody asked for, like Brave and their gimmick of watching ads to get cryptocurrency. I just want a good browser that lets me customize my look, feel, and functionality. Seeing how things are now almost makes me long for the mid-2000s when Firefox was still hands-down the better option.
1 u/_xy0_ 23 Aug 2020 18:02
Really? botnet browser? i work for a gov. contractor, and we trust IE more than GooGoo.
-1 u/_Account_amj 23 Aug 2020 18:03
Give me an actual reason for that which isn't made out of retarded buzzwords.
1 u/_xy0_ 23 Aug 2020 18:21
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=google+chrome+security+issues Yes, all browsers have issues, but trust me, GooGoo company is not prioritizing your "saftey". Also analytics that cant be turned off, proprietary, non-standard specs (amp, and a lot more).
1 u/_Account_amj 23 Aug 2020 18:24
So literally "trust me" plus more buzzwords nah
1 u/_xy0_ 23 Aug 2020 18:27
What? I linked to a damn search engine with thousands of results. Buzz words? It's called being technology literate. I think Alphebet soup is perfect for you actually. Go back to TickTock.
-1 u/_Account_amj 23 Aug 2020 18:31
Okay bruh, thanks for successfully convincing me not to give a single fuck about your meaningless issues. Glad we had this talk lol.