Battle inside Signal as some employees demand a "content policy" 📦

94    27 Jan 2021 13:54 by u/Shatterbrain

63 comments

60 u/None 27 Jan 2021 13:56
Companies like Signal should fire all such employees and hire new ones from unwoke.hr.
-10 u/Wingo 27 Jan 2021 14:01
No. People shouldn’t be fired because of their political leanings, regardless of whether they are left-wing, right-wing or a liberal/centrist.
14 u/None 27 Jan 2021 14:08
Employees who demand shit are free to buy company stock and demand from a position of a shareholder. If they have a problem with what the company is doing nobody is forcing them to stay working there. And because people who do work they don't believe in (or even worse, they believe that work is bad in itself and they believe in the polar opposite) they never perform as well as people who do believe in what they do. Again, fired.
7 u/trickleyum 27 Jan 2021 14:38
Just to clarify, Signal isn't publicly traded but I think you got your point across anyway.
76 u/captainmeta4 27 Jan 2021 14:09
They wouldn't be getting fired for their political leanings; they would be getting fired for actively attempting to undermine the core mission of the company.
-29 u/Wingo 27 Jan 2021 14:30
Demanding something isn’t the same as forcing the company to do it.
26 u/ThunderMilk 27 Jan 2021 14:39
No I agree they should be fired. If you're not with the company and the mission of the company you need to go. They can work somewhere else.
14 u/Ryaniskira 27 Jan 2021 14:55
With these people demanding something turns into forcing the company to do it.
12 u/captainmeta4 27 Jan 2021 15:39
I said "attempting"; I didn't say they would necessarily have to be successful in their attempt.
7 u/None 27 Jan 2021 18:40
Fucking retarded thought process you have there, well done.
19 u/Giggles_De_Ghost 27 Jan 2021 14:39
Its not political leanings they are going against the company policy, they are a freespeech messenger, and if their employees are against that policy then they are a threat to the company long term.
3 u/serenedip 27 Jan 2021 14:47
You absolutely should be able to fore people for politics. The left think that is in their favor. What they don't realize is that it there is a huge correlation between not being leftist and being good at a job.
1 u/None 27 Jan 2021 23:17
That attitude may get you and me fired. I strongly think The Gap Inc. fired me for my politics, but found other reasons.
1 u/serenedip 28 Jan 2021 01:47
In the long run, it's way in our favor. Plus fuck it, freedom. Youshouldn't be force to pay ass holes
3 u/None 27 Jan 2021 15:02
How many times does this have to be explained. 1A keeps you from being **jailed** for your speech. You can absolutely be fired for it.
2 u/Wingo 27 Jan 2021 15:11
Isn’t this the whole point of platforms like this?
1 u/None 27 Jan 2021 15:14
The point is, you won't get kicked off this platform for your speech. If you're boss finds your account and reads what you wrote, you can absolutely be fired for that. I don't know why people think free speech applies to employment. Your employer has their own free speech to express, which includes firing who they want.
1 u/None 27 Jan 2021 23:17
All the more reason we need to force our gov't to enforce anti-monopoly laws.
15 u/QuantumRipple 27 Jan 2021 15:27
This was the first I've heard of unwoke.hr, but as far as I can tell the site no longer exists. I was able to find news about it launching, but was not able to find any information about it ceasing operations. Do you have any light to shed?
9 u/None 27 Jan 2021 15:34
DNS resolves to 185.26.105.244 but the IP has reverse DNS redirect.netim.net. Netim is domain registrar and hosting that registered unwoke.hr. The IP is alive but looks more like a Cisco IP phone than a legit server. It looks abandoned.
7 u/OsrsNeedsF2P 27 Jan 2021 15:50
Well that was fast!
4 u/None 27 Jan 2021 18:43
Last alive Nov 15th 2020, and launched July 2020. https://web.archive.org/web/20201115034007/https://www.unwoke.hr/
0 u/djack 27 Jan 2021 15:40
I uninstall my HeebWhatsApp
2 u/FiniusFigglebottom 27 Jan 2021 21:56
or embrace it and watch the woketards create so much chaos internally that the company is fucked, which is the likely be the end result. Well, or we end up under the dictatorship of a one legged, bipolar trans Indian furry lesbian.
24 u/Giggles_De_Ghost 27 Jan 2021 14:29
This is why we should be using decentralized systems. Matrix is amazing. You should be using something like Element.io or getsession.org.
4 u/leadedgasoline 27 Jan 2021 14:46
I’m super keen on session, I’m advocating for people to make it so session nodes can be run as dockers on unraid right now
2 u/Ryaniskira 27 Jan 2021 14:55
Session just uses Lokinet and there are already Docker containers for that.
1 u/Giggles_De_Ghost 27 Jan 2021 16:46
I have been playing with session a bit but I have found matrix is much further a long. Do you know any good session servers?
2 u/None 27 Jan 2021 23:19
Session's CEO was a gov't agent, right? That might be better security, but it still worries me. i guess if he never tried to hide (he didn't, I think), that might be fine.
15 u/kek 27 Jan 2021 14:25
Make it human proof!
15 u/impactwrench 27 Jan 2021 14:41
Anonymous sources, and signal is end to end encrypted, so this isn’t possible. Yet more propaganda.
13 u/Czescwitamy 27 Jan 2021 14:33
Anonymous employees. Meaning this is made up. Fake news. Propaganda.
5 u/ThunderMilk 27 Jan 2021 14:40
I hope so.
8 u/noyoudid 27 Jan 2021 14:45
Not all were anonymous. The article mentions former employee Gregg Bernstein, who left Signal specifically because of a lack of a content and enforcement policy.
12 u/Ryaniskira 27 Jan 2021 14:56
> Bernstein Every goddamn time.
1 u/fanchiotti 28 Jan 2021 08:55
It'd be funny if it wasn't disgusting.
6 u/Czescwitamy 27 Jan 2021 15:31
People rarely tell the truth why they left a company.
10 u/None 27 Jan 2021 14:42
If Signal wants to keep the traction its gained by Whatsapp fuckup then the last thing they want to do is add an anti-free speech policy. Watch Signal lose all the users it has gained over a weekend. Also if they do that I think the next best thing is a federated messenger so everyone can have their own rules.
4 u/leadedgasoline 27 Jan 2021 14:47
Getsession.org Signal, but more better!
1 u/None 27 Jan 2021 15:52
I heard about this, the issue is that nobody I know uses it. Is it federated? If it is then I think this is the next step if Signal goes down the shitter...
1 u/Ryaniskira 27 Jan 2021 16:47
It uses Lokinet which is a TOR-like network, so I guess it is federated in a way?
1 u/leadedgasoline 27 Jan 2021 21:08
This is Signal, but federated. It uses a network of relay nodes called Lokinet.
1 u/drBonkers 27 Jan 2021 16:36
What's the difference between this and Element on Matrix?
1 u/None 27 Jan 2021 16:49
> Matrix is an open network for secure, decentralized communication Element is the official client for Matrix, but you can still use Matrix with other unofficial clients.
1 u/drBonkers 27 Jan 2021 16:51
Oh, so Session is using the Matrix backend too? I missed that on their website, I guess.
2 u/None 27 Jan 2021 17:01
I misread your comment my bad. I thought you asked about the difference between Element and Matrix.
1 u/drBonkers 28 Jan 2021 00:19
No worries 👊
1 u/leadedgasoline 27 Jan 2021 21:09
Federated Signal. https://getsession.org/faq/ It's a fork of signal that uses federated nodes and it 100% anonymous. There is no way to get a lot of info about you or who you talk to.
1 u/drBonkers 28 Jan 2021 00:18
That’s what Element is on Matrix. I asked what makes session different?
10 u/wuzizname 27 Jan 2021 16:03
What happened? I’ve literally lived an online existence since bbses and compuserve on the commodore Vic 20 and it was understood that the net has areas that are total cess pools and most of the time the shit is not to be taken seriously. When did the tech sector workers become such pussies and scratching censors? I remember fighting like hell to keep the web uncensored and without regulation and just a couple years later that’s what everyone wants? Wtf happened?
6 u/Shatterbrain [OP] 27 Jan 2021 17:30
Big money got their hooks in when they realized the web's propagandic and memetic power is a threat to hegemony.
6 u/fanchiotti 27 Jan 2021 15:09
"Some employees"
5 u/ruqs_user 27 Jan 2021 14:06
😜 and so it begins.
4 u/insomniac 27 Jan 2021 16:09
Isn't a side benefit of E2EE is that you can't enforce a "content policy" to begin with? This is also another reason to remove the phone number requirement. Someone inside the company could block a known phone number, prevent the usage of Signal. But that's pure speculation on my part. I don't know if they even have the capability.
2 u/Ryaniskira 27 Jan 2021 18:12
That doesn't prevent a snitch from taking a screenshot of the conversation and reporting it.
1 u/insomniac 27 Jan 2021 18:20
That's true for any app through. It comes down to whether or not you trust the other side of the conversation. It would be cool if they could implement the screen security feature (no screenshots) on both sides of a conversation. That would make it a bit more secure. Right now it's just on your side.
2 u/Ryaniskira 27 Jan 2021 19:58
Even if they did there's ways around that, either take a photo of the screen cringe style or there's root methods of capturing screenshots of apps that have that flag set.
3 u/KelborHal 27 Jan 2021 14:57
Fire those bitches.
3 u/RetardedPotato 27 Jan 2021 18:12
>But when the app was starting to be used by Trump supporters during the campaign, this set off alarm bells among the likes of the now former Signal employee, Gregg Bernstein. Interesting.. bernstein.. Hmmm.
1 u/RedditEscapee 28 Jan 2021 18:09
Can you explain what the implication with that name is? Other users have pointed it out as well
1 u/RetardedPotato 28 Jan 2021 18:16
Certain choosen people don't take kindly to people of opposing viewpoints being allowed to speak freely.
1 u/None 27 Jan 2021 18:38
They can leave if unhappy or be sacked, signal has always clearly stated its aim, 2 choices.
1 u/None 27 Jan 2021 23:14
Well, there is a way to manually enable encryption on Telegram. And, i must say, Pavel Durov, the guy who started Telegram *IS ALL MAN!*. I have conflicting feelings about Signal CEO and staff and the way they started or who they are financed by. I've read somewhat conflicting stories.