Interesting how many people are getting banned from that sub recently. They must have got a new mod or something? Also. It's ironic considering their supposed ideology.

I'm somewhat amused this meme got you canned, I saw it on that sub and I thought it was completely accurate.

Probably Reddit admins acting as mods. They are infiltrating any sub that leans right and starting to censor them.

R/libertarianmemes is the sub your looking for. R/libertarian is rather authoritarian

Yeah that sub has been taken over by pro-Russia and anti-democracy folks. I got banned myself for saying voting was a good thing lmao

If you really want to make someone into an arsehole, make them a reddit mod.

Yeah I don’t know what these idiots think will be a better form than democracy.

Most subs have been taken over by leftist morons unfortunately.

Lame. How did anything they said refute your post anyway? I hate it when people lecture about stuff people understand anyway too, we KNOW how our government works.

I got banned from there for calling ancaps retards. It's disappointing how bedwed ancaps seem to be to libertarians there as they're incompatible with bloody reality.

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I don't recall America ever being labeled as "democratic"... in fact, that was meant to be avoided cause, well, ask Greece. Democracies fail.

Democracy is an illusion it always lead to socialism , just look at the state of 🇨🇦🇺🇸 tell me that’s a nice functioning democracy 😆

I mean, it is incredibly stupid, but not ban worthy. Democracy isn't "everyone gets their way." You could highlight how a majority of people don't get their way through authoritarian methods, but that would require more coherent thought than is present in this meme shitpost.

The libertarian sub is just a bunch of right-wing chuds and anarcho-capitalists. It's basically a right-wing circle jerk at this point.

This is an awesome awesome debate to have, and I appreciate you posting that meme. I would ask whoever responded to you to show you in the constitution of the United States where the word democracy is. They won't be able to find it. Because the United States is not a constitutional democratic republic by nature, it is a constitutional republic. It just so happens that in practice, we use a democratic means to elect our representatives. This is discussed in depth in the federalist papers, but those papers also explain why the framers never included the word democracy in the constitution. Though to be fair, the word popular vote comes up in some of the amendments to the constitution. In essence, I agree with you completely. Everyone is told how beneficial a democracy is, no one ever explains the risks of democracy. And because of that, most people have a very minimal understanding of why, though we as a country incorporate democracy into our system of government, that they were very careful not to delineate us as a democracy and that the constitution goes out of it's way to avoid using the term democracy.

Lol the mods there ban anyone who believes in freedom they don’t. It’s a case study on why libertarianism won’t work in practice by itself.

You're right though.... this is why we have things like the bill of rights, which ~~are~~ *should be* unassailable by the 51%

We dont have a democracy. It’s only “democracy” on paper.

Banned a while back for pointing out unregulated free markets dont lead to competition - and gave the Standard Oil Monopoly as an example. But to the point they had some mod changes 6+ months ago and have been ban happy since.

Conservativism, in any form, has only one priority: The self. It is identity policy, in that the identity of the conservative, as defined by the conservative, is good, and therefore anything the conservative does is good. It may be justified by nationalism, xenophobia, tradition, economics, or simply might makes right (when the conservatives possess the might). The justification is a means to an end, and that end varies with the individual, so it is not possible for a conservative to be a hypocrite. Their stances, their justifications, their goals are ephemeral and whimsical. Strip away the window dressing, and at the core of any conservative agenda is in unfettered narcissism. Protect the self, improve position, stall the enemy, and avoid progress that is not personally beneficial. Reframe your view of conservatives, because if you expect consistency of thought, you're not going to find it. Fighting their "ideas" with rational arguments is like fighting the wind with a tennis racket. You will fail to convince a conservative they are wrong regardless of the evidence stacked against them. If you want support from a conservative, you must show them how supporting you is beneficial to them. If you want a conservative to be a better person, take two pennies to a wishing well and ask for wisdom and serenity.

I don't think that's obvious to everyone unfortunately

It’s not just that sub it’s the whole app

The problem is, we don't really elect any of them. That's a facade.

Libertarians are just Republicans who want to smoke pot.

Mises Caucus took over the sub a while ago, it is no longer a 'Libertarian' forum. It's just MAGA cosplaying as if they are not Republicans.

It was a stupid take considering many libertarian theorists criticised democracy as tyranny of the majority. Libertarianism isn’t just the libertarian party…

Your facile comment is actually the one arguing semantics of US Gov’t in response to a meme about basic theory. Not ban-worthy, of course, even by their rules, but /Libertarian is earning a very non-libertarian reputation. Most libertarians don’t approve of the Mises Caucus’s behavior. I’d recommend r/AskLibertarians , r/AnCap101 , or r/Anarcho_Capitalism (though it is a bit shitposty and currently being brigaded by Republicans lying to themselves)

Ya I got banned for the same reason apparently im either not libertarian enough or I'm to radical of a libertarian. Either way that sub was utter trash just an echo chamber.

Technically we are a Constitutional Republic. While democracy plays a part in our country it is by no means the actual end all be all.

Your problem is that you lack a fundamental understanding of the words you use, bud. Your meme was dumb, and you couldn't articulate anything related to libertarian philosophy. You also refused to be educated on your incorrect statements by anyone who commented.

What is the form of government that would earn the zero-tyranny rating?

r/Libertarian has been taken over by alt-right chuds, no surprise they’re going on a censorship spree.

I got banned In the libertarian meme subreddit because I called out that some larpers support Putin

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Lol at all the embarrassing people in this sub who don’t think censorship happens at the Reddit admin level.

Democracy is a problem because its tyranny of the majority and has lead to an increase in crimes such as prostitution, theft, property damage, etc which Hans Hermann Hoppe discussed in his book, Democracy: The God That Failed. Many even argue that Democracy inherently conflicts with private property and this is another reason for why Democracy is an issue. Imo, because I believe in Geolibertarianism as well as Winstanley's Agrarian Communism, Democracy IS the authority of the majority and contributes to many issues by society. Many wars, such as World War 1 and 2 as well as modern wars like Afghanistan and Iraq have all been fought in the name of God and Democracy. Ontop of the issues already mentioned, Democracy has always ended up reverting back to a dictatorship and why? Because even Plato came to this conclusion in The Republic. He states, “the ideal state is rarely achieved in reality and often deteriorates, transitioning from the rule of soldiers and lovers of honor, to Democracy, and then to Tyranny. This progression reflects a continuous cycle of struggle, moving from the best form of government to the worst.”

Last time I was on that sub they were big into free speech. Guess that's changed.

lol, you’re not a libertarian unless you’ve been banned from r/libertarian. That sub is just filled with democrats and republicans that don’t want to be affiliated with their party.

As a libertarian I wouldnt really trust any subreddits or most online spaces calling themselves libertarian to actually be what they claim. Like half of the people i see calling themselves libertarians are just authoritarian conservatives posing as libertarians

If you're implying anarchy that's just autocracy with extra steps.

I identify as Libertarian in my belief system but for some reason being libertarian, left leaning, AND relatively pro-democracy is a punishable offense around there.

Those morons over there are just Republicans who like to smoke weed.

I got banned from there too. r/Libertarian is very autocratic in it's moderation.

The United States is and has always been a Republic.

Just got banned for (what I think was) my take on abortion. Kinda funny considering I'm more "libertarian" than 95% of the people that post on that sub. Where are all the cooler libertarians migrating to for actual free conversation?

The weak mind that banned me said I was banned for "anti-libertarian trolling" or something and then immediately muted me from replying without identifying the post that was apparently against "Rule 1". I've posted on that sub on and off for 10 years and I think it's hilarious they thought something I said was anti-libertarian. I'm pretty sure it was a reply about body autonomy and how banning abortion is a violation of liberty. Kinda sad when left wing censors have taken over one of the largest Libertarian discussion groups on the Internet.

Libertarians, the anarchist ones in particular, are so strange to me for this specific reason you eloquently argued against in the third slide. I don’t get how anarchist libertarians expect a libertarian society to be maintained without even minimal guard rails only enforceable by the state. And since most of the time their answer as to how this would be done boils down to some kind of “community policing,” a.k.a. mob rule, then they’re sort of advocating for the same exact thing they always rail against with the Muh 51-49 trope because it’s the tyranny of the majority. Sometimes in response to that they’ll tell me that “people can choose where they want to live”…yeah, like, okay. Many can. Many can’t. Living somewhere is not automatically consenting to everything going on there. I thought that was a basic libertarian observation.

Based. Anti-democratic losers get fucked

I was banned from there a few months ago. I went over and checked it out today and they have a post up about censorship and banning and how horrible it is. 🤣. Whole bunch of snowflakes over there that own rifles.

In my experience, a lot of people who call themselves libertarians aren't, and a lot of people who call themselves left leaning centrists are libertarians. But nah, this isn't organic. Representative democracy is under assault. GRU has stepped up operations just like they did during 2016 and 2020. Every four years, Reddit turns into an astroturfed mess. And for every operative shelling the site with disingenuous bullshit, there's two idiots nodding their head.

All of reddit abors actual reasoning and skepticism. It's literally a self authority stealing monster 

The far right hijacked the ideology during the tea party era

I blocked the sub because of the amount of outright liberalism that's pervasive within it's userbase. There was nothing to learn from the sub anyway.

Thank the MAGA world where people have been conditioned to knee jerk at any reference to democracy, even if you're quoting Reagan himself, responding angrily with "were a republic not a democracy!"

As a Libertarian, I'm disgusted by the tyrannical nature of this mod. The whole point of libertarianism is to let people do and say what they want...liberty. Just because he disagrees doesn't mean he gets to ban the user. TL;DR: mod is a tyrant and not a Libertarian, get him outta there

I wonder what there's more of, bad faith libertarians or bad faith Catholics?

FAFO

I got banned to it’s so dumb for being a libertarian sub the mods are very suppressive of ideas they don’t like

Is obvious why they were offended.

Libertarians are just MAGA But Yellow now. It’s a shame.

So... anarchy then? I'm down, because then I could slap the F out of people that day dumb stuff like this post.

"theyre not real libertarians!!" yall lose your shit when its a left wing sub and now youre tryna rationalize lmao dumbass sub

American libertarians are the most insane group of people I’ve met. One of the pillars of libertarianism is that people should be able to sell yourself into slavery and the main poster-child for libertarianism is Ted Cruz.

Libertarians are huuuge snowflakes. You try and question anything about their philosophy and they get super defensive.

Damm so it's not just me. I was banned from there today for posting an innocent comment that most the redditors agreed with and upvoted. Whats going on over there? [the comment that got me banned](https://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/s/TuRVl0SGHo)

Democracy isn't leaving conservatives, conservatives are leaving democracy. Look at this republican congress we have in the U.S. - Least productive congress ever, no vision, no policies put forth, only bad faith grand standing and theatrics. Look at Texas defying the supreme court, disregarding the rule of law. Look at this thread, all the conservatives jumping at the chance to advocate against democracy. Look at the conservative politicians cynically claiming the 2020 election was stolen, when its been adjudicated over and over, scrutinized and analyzed with recounts and audits. The election wasn't stolen, **you lost**. It's sad that the people who claim to want to defend freedom most fiercely are now it's biggest threat.

Most self identified “libertarians” are fascists (as a prominent example, Ben Shapiro). It’s an attractive label because the far right in America love to larp about freedom (while still wanting a strict racial hierarchy and theocratic governance)

Libertarians are the canaries of stupid right wing takes and always have been. When the right gets mad at the Republican Party they ooze into libertarianism and don’t wipe their feet.