r/RedditCensors: Libertarian subreddit isn't so libertarian

56 u/TheInfidelGuy 15 Feb 2024 14:48

Your mistake was thinking that reasonable people are in charge of Reddit.

15 u/SnooWonder 15 Feb 2024 15:10

And that they are even libertarian. Most of the political subs are modded over by left-wing edge lords who think they're not like all the people around them.

6 u/AtlaStar 15 Feb 2024 16:33

Ah yes, because of course those left wing edge lords would automatically ban someone for bringing up bias that heavily favors the right...yep, makes _perfect_ sense...

1 u/requiemoftherational † 15 Feb 2024 16:35

There's an ideology that is the clear leader in things that doesn't make sense right now....

4 u/SonOfJokeExplainer 15 Feb 2024 17:03

Speaking of things that don’t make sense, wtf is this cryptic bullshit comment even supposed to mean

3 u/robmagob † 15 Feb 2024 18:03

Yes there is and it’s the party that has completely removed itself from reality in their pursuit to kiss Donald Trump’s ass.

5 u/requiemoftherational 15 Feb 2024 18:21

You do know what gender has a penis right?

2 u/Numerous_Pride7880 * 15 Feb 2024 18:24

Who cares? God you're weak. No one cares. The fact creepy fat men like you care so much, is really odd. It's creepy, odd and unbecoming of functioning members of society.

1 u/requiemoftherational 15 Feb 2024 18:31

Shill

2 u/Kryptosis 15 Feb 2024 18:51

Russian troll

2 u/Queer-Yimby 15 Feb 2024 19:12

I've yet to see a conversation about anything where fascist Republicans don't randomly scream about people's genetalia and how government should monitor it.

3 u/robmagob 15 Feb 2024 18:25

You do know my comment has absolutely nothing to do with sexual identity or whatever fucking tangent you seemingly want to steer this conversation towards, right? I hate to break it to you, but I’m not some woke college kid who’s going to get bent out of shape over what gender you call me and I don’t give a shit. Whatever someone wants to call themselves or identify as is their business and I’m going to focus on my business. Do you have an actual point relevant to the discussion or are you too busy hyper fixated on penises?

3 u/requiemoftherational 15 Feb 2024 18:30

>There's an ideology that is the clear leader in things that doesn't make sense right now.... Let me know if I need to slow down?

4 u/robmagob 15 Feb 2024 18:33

You don’t need to slow down… but you seemingly are confused on the subject and seem to be under the impression that the question of sexual identity is some how a political discussion and not a scientific or societal discussion.

2 u/requiemoftherational 15 Feb 2024 18:42

I see. So for Rob here, I made the claim that one ideology (Democrats) has a problem with "things that don't make sense. Rob astutely realized that I was talking about a separate set of believe that are removed from reality but then attributed this behavior to the wrong party. To help Rob understand his error in judgement I pointed out that one party believe that humans can change their gender. Since no one has ever managed to go from xx chromosomes to xy chromosomes this exactly the behavior I was referencing. Since then Rob has been focused on the word "penis" like a 5th grader which coincidentally happens to be his level of reading comprehension. To help Rob move on and get with the program I want Rob to say "penis penis penis-vagina vagina vagina" and get back to the topic of reality vs fiction

2 u/robmagob 15 Feb 2024 18:45

How is someone’s sexual identity a political issue? Let’s keep this simple since apparently you don’t read so good.

2 u/requiemoftherational 15 Feb 2024 18:49

This isn't about sexual identity, but about the fictional belief that you can change your sexual identity.

2 u/robmagob 15 Feb 2024 18:56

You know if you don’t know what a word means you can easily just google it and save yourself the embarrassment. >Sexual identity refers to one's self-perception in terms of romantic or sexual attraction towards others, though not mutually exclusive, and can be different to romantic identity. What’s really funny though is watching self described “libertarians” go out of their way to tell others how to live, just proving they don’t even know what libertarianism means.

1 u/requiemoftherational 15 Feb 2024 18:59

That's exactly what I mean, you can't change your sexual identity. Just like you can't change your gender or sex. Changing the meaning of a word doesn't win you the argument, it just means you aren't integrated enough to live in reality yet. But t don't despair, there are great doctors that can help you

2 u/robmagob 15 Feb 2024 19:02

So homosexuals and bisexual people are all lying? Just to help you out here, I used an umbrella term for it, because how someone identifies or who they are attracted to is none of the governments business. It is not a political issue like say laws or taxes or government spending. You morons have gotten so caught up in culture wars now you can’t even think straight, presuming you could before.

0 u/requiemoftherational 15 Feb 2024 19:11

Wait, that's considerably different than the example I used. I don't care what your fetish is but factually speaking you can't change genders anymore then you can change your skin color or what species you are.

2 u/robmagob 15 Feb 2024 19:14

No it is not. Both are examples of sexual identity, hence me saying “I used an umbrella term for it” because it all dives into stuff that is frankly none of the governments business and is not even remotely political in nature.

3 u/requiemoftherational 15 Feb 2024 19:16

There's a huge difference between who you fuck and what you think you are. And I agree it's not the governments business, so lets all vote to repeal affirmative action laws.

2 u/Icy_Platform968 15 Feb 2024 19:36

My older sister claims to be nonbinary, yet feels inclined to scream at people for not knowing her pronouns even if she’s never told them before. She looks female. She is female. My nephew, her son, routinely gets beaten by her and she makes excuses for it. I do not care at all about respecting the gender identity of someone who abuses children. Her identity is for her, I can think whatever I want, if I don’t agree with the fact she’s “they/them” that’s my choice. If she acted reasonably, or hadn’t yelled at me for misgendering her when she had NEVER told me her pronouns prior or that she had even became nonbinary, I’d be willing to be respectful. But I’m not going to be forced into anything. If I see someone who’s clearly male on the street, but wearing womens clothes, I’ll assume they are trans. I will be respectful meeting anyone the 1st time, if they act like an asshole, I’ll respond like an asshole. I’ve been groped without consent dozens of times by trans people (mostly Hispanic) at gay bars. Sexual assault isn’t cool, or funny. I do not give a fuck what they claim to be, it’s a Mexican dude in a dress with fake tits who’s a rapist, fuck their pronouns. This is the inherent problem with self ID. I’m not going to respect shitty people, and it doesn’t matter if they think they are trans. I get to form my own opinions, as does everyone else. They don’t get to force their self perception on others.

2 u/robmagob 15 Feb 2024 19:41

I don’t think it’s a good to attribute the shitty actions of your sister to being non binary or whatever. I think it’s totally natural for you to dislike your sister because she sounds like a bad person, the fact she is non binary has nothing to do with why you dislike her. But if you met a non binary person and automatically disliked them because of that it would be a different story. People should be judged on a case by case by case basis.

2 u/Icy_Platform968 15 Feb 2024 20:13

Agreed, I don’t think it would be appropriate to do that either. I think the reason my sister is claiming to be NB is because she’s in her late 40s, she’s bored and desperate for attention, I’m 40, and there’s a lot of stuff that I’m “too old for”. If I go to bars with my friends, despite that I’m somewhat attractive for a guy my age, I have all my hair and I’m in pretty great shape, most of the super attractive 25 year olds wouldn’t want to date me, they wouldn’t want to hang out with me, etc. I have to accept that aspects of life have passed me by. My older sister has always been abusive and narcissistic, and I personally think she’s co-opting trans identity as a way of getting more attention and controlling people. I wish there was an option to stop grifters. There’s a lot of trans/NB people in my city. A girl I was good friends with and dated/slept with who I adore became NB and I think it’s a phase, but I respect her so much that I’ll happily use whatever pronouns she wants. It doesn’t affect me, but it affects her so I’ll happily help out so she can feel safe and happy. If I see a trans person at my coffee shop, I know it’s a person having a human experience and probably struggling, and I’ll act like a decent human being because that’s what they need right now. And I agree with case by case basis. I get frequently criticized for being white and male (I couldn’t choose either of those) or privileged (I got beaten constantly as a kid, which isn’t particularly privileged). I don’t need anyone to say sorry for that, I’m glad I had a traumatic childhood, because it helps me be more empathetic with others, and to protect them. I wish more people were like you and tried to view everyone as an individual regardless of their situation.

2 u/robmagob 15 Feb 2024 20:28

I think ignorance and bigotry isn’t unique to straight white males. Any person from any interest group can be a massive piece of shit and they can also be a genuinely good person too. My overarching point is that a lot of these issues are something we are going to have to work out amongst ourselves. We can’t rely on the government to tell us which lifestyle/religion/ etc is valid and which is not, because that’s going to be entirely dependent on who’s in power and that could clearly be a slippery slope.

2 u/Icy_Platform968 15 Feb 2024 21:54

Exactly! That’s my main concern is that whatever lifestyle is considered acceptable is based on the group in power. I was raised Christian fundamentalist (I don’t go anymore) and they were very intolerant of a diversity of thought and lifestyle. We did some good stuff, I was working in the slums of Mexico building houses (which has made me grateful for my life and privilege, and I’ll never forget how easy I have it) when I was a little kid, so there’s good aspects and negative to any group or belief or ideology. That’s my fundamental problem with what seems like identity politics, like I’m a gym bro and have had girls say “based on your appearance, I’m surprised you read books like that, or I’m surprised you are so sweet, etc”. And most of the guys at my gym do fit the opposite narrative, so sometimes stereotypes are right, sometimes not. I think I get your concern now in a new way, I hadn’t realized what could happen in Florida if thing’s progressed, and how it might look in 15 years. It’s not just the laws in place right now, it’s what they might do next year, or in 5 years. Same with the stuff Lori Lightfoot did with Covid. What will the government do next time? What if there’s the state monopoly on violence behind those rules or laws? We need to be able to decide for ourselves

1 u/Candid-Personality54 15 Feb 2024 20:09

You seem to have a serious lack of understanding for the terms you use. Gender and biological sex are not interchangeable terms, but individual and specific terms for two different things. Also, even in terms of biological sex, XX and XY are not the only possibilities. Your assertion that no one has changed their genetic coding does nothing for the argument at hand. We dye our hair all the time and it doesn’t change our DNA, so is hair dye not a real thing?

1 u/ScarRevolutionary393 15 Feb 2024 21:01

>I pointed out that one party believe that humans can change their gender. Since no one has ever managed to go from xx chromosomes to xy chromosomes this exactly the behavior I was referencing. Or maybe you aren't understanding what people are saying. You are confusing gender and sex to be the same but people you are mischaracterizing are not saying what you are implying they are at all. Nobody said chromosomes can be changed. They say that gender is a social construct, not a biological one.

1 u/avacar 15 Feb 2024 22:35

I don't think anyone has ever claimed transgender people change their chromosomes. But wait, you make that exact claim. Got a source that anyone is claiming to change chromosomes? Maybe you're just full of shit and looking to pick a fight about sex and gender? Experts have been clear and consistent that sexual biology and societal "gender" are clearly related, but fundamentally separate. Both humans and animals display behavior that intentionally displays varying gender - particularly around mating. Since you might need this spelled out for you like a mewling child, the idea you think is insane is that feeling "masculine" or "feminine" is a social/personal construct that might often have a similar pattern to sexual biology, but not always. Kinda like how not every Swede is blonde. It's really not that complicated. So the idea is that how a person chooses to dress and act is not at all a product of their genitals. And conflating these societal constructs with genitals and chromosomes makes you sound like an uneducated buffoon who literally can't tell the difference between what's in your pants and what your preferred pronouns are. Maybe be a little less proud of positions that only make sense if you don't know what the hell you're talking about.

1 u/NullTupe 17 Feb 2024 17:30

>Uneducated Buffoon I mean, Libertarian-Right, so...

1 u/NullTupe 17 Feb 2024 17:27

Chromosomes aren't gender, 5head. Got any more sage-snorting wisdom for us?

3 u/Parasocialist69420 15 Feb 2024 18:43

My brother in Christ why are all of you guys so obsessed with dicks that aren’t yours? You know you can just be gay right, it’ll be a lot easier on your blood pressure.

3 u/requiemoftherational 15 Feb 2024 18:45

Penis seems to be a trigger word?

1 u/Kryptosis 15 Feb 2024 18:52

Curious that you immediately started talking about them at the first opportunity. No one besides your little hatecult actually gives a damn about people’s identities.

1 u/requiemoftherational 15 Feb 2024 19:03

Ah, see that's a misconception. I in fact do not care if being live with as alternate set of facts as long as it doesn't affect me. I find it quite sad actually.

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1 u/Parasocialist69420 15 Feb 2024 18:53

That’s what I’m saying. Why are little kid dicks and adult dicks that aren’t yours on your mind so much? I doubt the horniest of gay men think about dick as much as your tribe does. When I hear “penis”, my day just keeps on going like it used to, y’all are so eager to hear it you practically foam at the mouth to talk about them, hijacking every discussion so you can talk about penis. I just want to know why, if you need help, what the deal is honestly.

3 u/requiemoftherational 15 Feb 2024 19:01

I just said penis there was nothing attached to that, you're the one that's making very sus connections. Are you a groomer?

1 u/Parasocialist69420 15 Feb 2024 19:09

Zzz. I brush my cat, more pussy than you’ll ever touch.

1 u/requiemoftherational 15 Feb 2024 19:20

I've been married for 18 year. You don't have to believe me, but just statistically speaking, I get more action then you. Besides, a minute ago you were into kids penises. Changing the conversation to pussies sounds like you got something to hide?

2 u/Parasocialist69420 15 Feb 2024 19:29

I’m bored, enjoy troll baiting.

2 u/StupidRequiem 15 Feb 2024 19:28

Are you a groomer? You were the one who brought it up first and then starting acting like you weren't. You are coming off like a massive hypocrite.

1 u/hempking1 15 Feb 2024 23:56

LMFAO absolute jackass 🤡

1 u/Icy_Platform968 15 Feb 2024 19:38

It’s not our fault that you are a grown adult man with a little kid dick. Sometimes guys get the short end of the stick. Some of us have respectable penis lengths, and then there’s you.

1 u/FennecScout 15 Feb 2024 23:56

No, dealing with fuckin mouthbreathers like you is annoying.

3 u/AtlaStar 15 Feb 2024 18:45

Then why does the right consistently berate men for not being masculine enough by calling them woman? Sounds like you all were "confused" first...or maybe, just maybe, deep down you realize gender and sex are two different things

1 u/requiemoftherational 15 Feb 2024 19:14

In the same way people don't want to be called a dodo bird. It's designed to be offensive and if the person on the receiving end is offended then it worked as intended. If you think that redefining words is a winning argument, then my next post will blow your mind

1 u/AtlaStar 15 Feb 2024 23:07

Now explain how that makes it designed to be offensive.

1 u/NullTupe 17 Feb 2024 17:21

So... being a woman is offensive?

1 u/Necessary-Cap-3982 16 Feb 2024 05:30

For fucks sake, it’s stuff like this that ruins conservative reputations. Granted people of all political ideologies do this, but there’s no reason to be a dick and fling unrelated condescending BS when someone threatens your ego. All you had to say was, “The donald trump ass kissing comment is unnecessary” and move on with life.

1 u/Lorguis 16 Feb 2024 06:12

Why are you so eager to go hunting for other people's dicks?

1 u/Artanis_Creed 16 Feb 2024 12:37

I've seen women with penises.

1 u/NullTupe 17 Feb 2024 17:21

You do know that gender is a sociological construct and genitalia are biological, right? And the number of females with a penis is not 0, before we even go down that route. Your ignorance is not an argument.

1 u/Crucalus 18 Feb 2024 14:19

The penis is a feature of a biological male. However, not everyone who is biologically male presents themselves as masculine, or even as a man, and some more closely match a feminine archetype in behavior and appearance.

1 u/ScarRevolutionary393 15 Feb 2024 21:09

Yes, the Republican party sure is an embarrassment.

1 u/Crucalus 18 Feb 2024 14:16

Ah yes the good old argument: "YOU are responsible for complicating MY simple world by raising questions I am uncomfortable with. OBVIOUSLY penis=boy, vagina=girl, and there are no sociological or political things to think about there, and if you cant explain it in a way that is just as simple as I see it, then you must just be confused or lying" I love all the variations of this one, because there is no lower limit to how simply you can describe inaccurate or incomplete information. Accurate information, on the other hand, just IS complex a lot of the time, and often can't be described simply. And when the comfort of a simple but incomplete idea is challenged, it is easy to deflect and give snappy responses that reject deeper thought. Then, when people get impatient with you, you can just move on to how wrong and debased it is for people to be so rude towards someone with an opposing view.

9 u/Mannymoco 15 Feb 2024 16:53

Partisan brain rot

1 u/mooimafish33 15 Feb 2024 17:24

The default subs like r pics or r memes are to a degree, but they'll just ban you for talking about trans people or whatever. At least half of the political subs are moderated by hardcore conservatives that aggressively "curate" the comment sections.

2 u/SnooWonder 15 Feb 2024 18:43

You are visiting a very different part of reddit if you can come up with an argument for "half of the political subs".

2 u/ScionMattly † 15 Feb 2024 17:35

...you think he got Banned from /r/Libertarian because liberals run it, and didn't like him bringing up that Republicans are also authoritarian destroyers of liberties? Did you think that through very much before you typed it?

2 u/schmittc 15 Feb 2024 20:09

He's not really sure what happened but somehow, the democrats must be blamed.

1 u/slo1111 16 Feb 2024 00:50

That does not even make sense in this instance

1 u/Exaltedautochthon 16 Feb 2024 12:52

Yeah edgy stuff like 'healthcare is a human right', 'gay people should have human rights', 'maybe don't explode random brown people', and 'I dunno man, it seems like feudalism might not be a good idea'

1 u/SnooWonder 16 Feb 2024 19:20

Health care is not a human right. Beyond that I can't take you seriously.

1 u/Exaltedautochthon 17 Feb 2024 05:22

It absolutely should be

1 u/SnooWonder 17 Feb 2024 15:35

That would violate every doctor or nurses's actual human rights. Freedom of association has a much stronger claim on being a human right.

1 u/Exaltedautochthon 17 Feb 2024 15:36

The constitution also requires the government to hire election workers, postal officers and so on. I think they can also hire doctors

1 u/SnooWonder 17 Feb 2024 22:14

Choice in representation is not a human right and hiring people for jobs is also not a human right. Human rights are states and liberties you possess simply for being made. You have no right to someone else's labor. That is a state decision and thus a civil right.

1 u/NullTupe 17 Feb 2024 17:32

Oh fuck off. Other nations have healthcare as a human right without making slaves of nurses and doctors.

1 u/SnooWonder 17 Feb 2024 22:15

Blocking a-holes is my human right.

1 u/NullTupe 17 Feb 2024 17:19

You think that post was made or defended by a leftist?

1 u/williamworky 18 Feb 2024 14:09

Even though the OP is showing an example or right wing edge lord bullshit. Whatever.

1 u/SnooWonder 18 Feb 2024 16:31

You, like a bunch of other bozos have said the same thing repeatedly that shows they can't read. Go back and do it.

1 u/OldPod73 15 Feb 2024 15:32

Yep

18 u/ShimmeringMorlok 15 Feb 2024 16:36

Reddit is ran by the people who care about mod status. 13-16 year old children.

7 u/ExMente 15 Feb 2024 18:36

Surely you mean "people who prey on 13-16 year old children".

-2 u/ShimmeringMorlok † 15 Feb 2024 19:02

I'm sorry. I ment what I said. Not what you said.

1 u/MightyGreedo 15 Feb 2024 21:55

Surely you mean, "Moddit is read by people who care about ran status".

1 u/Necessary-Cap-3982 16 Feb 2024 05:24

The Bonds name. James name Bond’s name, the James Barnes nonds having a stronk, call a bondulance.

1 u/BugSignificant2682 16 Feb 2024 13:50

There are multiple subs that do that and they are all left wing.

8 u/Imaginary-You-6016 15 Feb 2024 19:52

>Reddit is ran by the people who care about mod status. 13-16 year old children. That might be a improvement for some mods.

1 u/ApolloRizen 16 Feb 2024 04:51

That is far too generous, teenagers actually have a future ahead of them. Reddit mods are something much darker. Imagine the same mental maturity as a teenager, in the body of a 35 year old balding NEET with a funko pop collection.

2 u/ModerateModerators- 17 Feb 2024 01:35

I had someone in mods/admin ban me for reporting a stupid “joke”. Basically, it was a picture of a cat and the girl wrote something like, “my cat hates men too”, just in a really aggressive way. So they banned me for a week after I’ve been banned for weird reasons. This started happening when I posted on men’s right sub. I have a good idea of what kind of people run Reddit and they’re not 13-17 year olds.

1 u/HairyFeathers 15 Feb 2024 21:22

or that libertarians are honest and consistent in their views

1 u/allMightyGINGER [OP] 15 Feb 2024 21:52

I like to think that I'm pretty honest, inconsistent with my views. If I realize I have a view that's inconsistent with my belief that libertarians the best way forward then accept that I have a personal belief in one that's not right for policy.

1 u/abnotwhmoanny 16 Feb 2024 01:00

Every way of doing things has advantages and disadvantages that make them work better or worse in different situations. It's not inconsistent to think a different tool should be used for a different task.

1 u/DeportForeigners 15 Feb 2024 21:29

Reddit - mostly a cesspool; moderated by people who like the smell

1 u/AlphaOhmega 15 Feb 2024 22:41

The mods of each subreddit are different. This is pretty much par for the course though on these subreddits that aren't actually anything more than Republicans just trying to to cast a wide net.

1 u/PPLavagna 16 Feb 2024 07:04

Is this the top comment in every post in this sub?

1 u/Optimized_Orangutan 16 Feb 2024 11:17

His mistake is thinking US Libertarians are anything other than Republicans who like smoking weed.

1 u/LtTaylor97 16 Feb 2024 13:55

Well hold on now, that was the second mistake. The first one was not running your messages through a spell checker. It looks like OP uses speech to text and doesn't check that it's correct. They make tools for this OP, plz.

1 u/signaleight 19 Feb 2024 05:52

Or on reddit.

1 u/theLoneAstronaut- 19 Feb 2024 06:31

I think we should all pitch in to design a Reddit style app minus any censorship, bring it back to the Wild West days of the internet lol realistically 50k would be a good goal for startup funds

23 u/ComesInAnOldBox 15 Feb 2024 15:06

The Libertarian sub, much like the current Libertarian Party, is chocked-full of crazy and has been for a while.

5 u/RusticRedwood 15 Feb 2024 15:44

Yeah, looks like it's also run by LPMC trash.

1 u/banghi 15 Feb 2024 17:45

Based.

7 u/Pookela_916 15 Feb 2024 18:28

Pretty much conservatives who like weed a little more, hate gays a little less, and want to feel special for not being in the big two mainstream parties.....

-4 u/Queer-Yimby 15 Feb 2024 19:14

But also consistently vote for the fascist Republican party

-5 u/seamus_mcfly86 15 Feb 2024 20:06

It's also full of "taxation is theft" morons.

1 u/RNRGrepresentative 16 Feb 2024 14:29

Well, yeah.

1 u/chode0311 17 Feb 2024 14:34

I haven't met one libertarian who believes taxation is theft that would survive pre civilization human society where there was zero public infrastructure. Never met a self labeled libertarian that was that self sufficient. It's mostly lazy people who don't want to pay taxes.

1 u/NullTupe 17 Feb 2024 17:39

They're the kind of people to unironically stan Rapture from Bioshock and absorb 0 of the actual lesson that Rapture teaches *in* Bioshock.

1 u/RealFuggNuckets 19 Feb 2024 22:53

Libertarians don’t believe in public infrastructure. They believe in private infrastructure. And “taxation is theft” pretty much sums up the average libertarian.

1 u/CognitivDecline 15 Feb 2024 21:19

Yeah kinda like conservatives, except they don't support 90% of conservative policy

5 u/gosh_dang_oh_my_heck 15 Feb 2024 23:11

But will still vote GOP.

1 u/Another-ban-evasion 16 Feb 2024 02:25

Because their views align more with the GOP than the DNC. It would help if leftists stopped advocating for more restrictions on the 1st and 2nd amendments.

1 u/ChaosRainbow23 16 Feb 2024 04:50

The GOP is attacking far more freedoms and rights than the Dems are.

2 u/Danielsuperusa 16 Feb 2024 10:48

Maybe so, but the Dems increase government intervention in daily life in a multitude of ways, which Libertarians don't like. GOP just has the benefit of slightly aligning with Libertarians in terms of economics. In my opinion? Fuck em both. Having to choose between two senile 80 year olds is just a sad joke.

1 u/NullTupe 17 Feb 2024 17:36

Which party keeps legislating bedrooms, bathrooms, and wombs, again? Which party wants the state to aggressively restrict which consenting adults can get married? Which party defends forcing children to get married? Republicans are far more the party of a nanny state. They just want it to enforce their views, which they justify by vaguely waving at the bible.

1 u/Danielsuperusa 17 Feb 2024 18:43

>Republicans are far more the party of a nanny state. Eh, they both are. They just want to police different things. Imma steal a phrase from Javier Milei here: "Conservatives don't care about who you do business with, but they do care about who you sleep with. Progressives don't care about who you sleep with, but they do care about who you do business with. Libertarians don't care who you do business with nor who you sleep with, as long as you're not hurting anybody else. " >They just want it to enforce their views, which they justify by vaguely waving at the bible. I completely agree.

1 u/Niarbeht 17 Feb 2024 22:39

>Maybe so, but the Dems increase government intervention in daily life in a multitude of ways, which Libertarians don't like. GOP just has the benefit of slightly aligning with Libertarians in terms of economics. Economic regulations from the Dems are a far, far smaller intervention in daily life than *the ability for the government to inspect the genitals of children*.

1 u/No_Refrigerator1115 17 Feb 2024 06:09

Here I’ll help you meant to say the gop is attacking different freedoms and rights then the Dems are” also when republicans attack a right they give it to the states to decide when democrates attack a right they do it at the federal level. The libratarian is going to find the federal laws more distasteful.

2 u/ticchi19 17 Feb 2024 06:54

That's not even true. Maybe historically. But GOP is just riding on history at this point.

1 u/No_Refrigerator1115 17 Feb 2024 14:46

As long as we are able to keep it civil, would you be willing to give an example ?

2 u/ticchi19 17 Feb 2024 16:07

Sure, happy to have some civil discourse. Let's ignore how we feel about some of these topics and discuss them from purely a state vs federal level. Overturning Roe v Wade was championed as a big win for state rights, pushing abortion laws to the states. However, within a few months of the decision, Lindsey Graham was introducing federal [anti- abortion laws](https://www.lgraham.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/2022/9/graham-introduces-legislation-to-protect-unborn-children-bring-u-s-abortion-policy-in-line-with-other-developed-nations#:~:text=The%20Graham%20legislation%3A,physical%20health%20of%20the%20mother.). This isn't unique to that issue either, add ons to bills have included restrictions to abortion pills, funding of health care facilities, etc that are all restrictions being proposed at the federal level. This isn't unique to abortion. Restrictions on immigration policies, LGBTQ rights, and education curriculum (which has largely been set at state levels) have all been included in bills pushed by Republicans in both the house and senate at the federal level that take decisions away from state and local governments. Many have not passed, so it's easy to miss. But the bills not passing does not change the clear stance: it's up to the states unless they don't like a decision some states are making. This also applies to big vs small government. Republicans tout being against federal power, but have no problem using that power when it benefits them. Trump signed 220 executive orders in 4 years of office, nearly matching the number signed by Obama (276) and Bush (291) in 8 years of office. Bidden sits at 130 currently.

1 u/No_Refrigerator1115 * 17 Feb 2024 16:15

Sure your always going to have federal public servants thinking that’s it’s their job to do things it’s a little bit of an awkward place for small government minded people to be because everything they are working on is big government ha. I agree. However I think the abortion issue is a pretty good one. For the case I’m making conservatives are largely happy with the ability to regulate this in their communities, the fact that there is a federal law maker who wrote a federal law with no traction I’m not sure detracts from my point. I think trumps executive orders is a very fair point. However I don’t think it’s immediate evidence. Let’s say that I was president and the guy before me had 209 executive orders, I would even as a small government guy also have 209 or neir it or more because I would roll back everything that was done prior. HOWEVER I have no idea if that’s what trump was doing (I’m sure in some ways yet but idk the metrics ) I tried a quick google search and it didn’t spoon feed me the answer to what I was looking for (how many of trumps executive orders were revering previous orders) I think that would be an interesting point to understand.

1 u/ticchi19 17 Feb 2024 17:27

I disagree with the idea that it is one rogue republican (or a few) pushing restriction on abortion at the federal level. It's only optics and PR that make it seem like they push for a state only approach. Instead they are using a state AND federal approach. Many of these not passing isn't justification of a small government view. I just used him as an example as he set out bill and press release within 3 months of Roe v Wade and it was high profile. There were more introduced bills, by various congress people. Again, restrictions on health care for lgbtq folks is another that Republicans are very happy to try and regulate at the federal level. The education department under Trump pushed changes that for the Republican model, instead of letting states continue to set curriculum and public education organization. Again, he did not match his the previous numbers, he nearly doubled the number of executive orders of his predecessors (both Bush and Obama). He reached those numbers in 4 years vs 8 for the other two and that cannot be explained away by just reversing previous EOs. His per year clip was 55 (the highest since Nixon), compared to 35 and 36 per year for Obama and Bush. I agree, it would be nice if it was easier to find the data you are looking for. I did peruse the list in his first year, and the majority seem to be new eo (not overturning previous ones). But it's hard to say for sure without tons of research. Here's some interesting data from the [Washington post](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2017/06/23/both-democrats-and-republicans-care-about-states-rights-when-it-suits-them/). Both parties have passed similar number of preemption policies (limiting states power). But how they do it are different. Democrats tend to implement floors (minimum standards) while Republicans have an ideological shift towards setting ceilings (states can only regulate to this degree). Both are restrictive of states' ability to self govern and they pass nearly equal numbers of bills doing so. As an aside, I think the democrats tend to do a really poor job in their implementation of floors. You can work with states to set floors and minimum standards that take into account each state's specific needs. Take minimum wage as an example. You can implement a federal minimum wage without setting a specific dollar amount. Democrats push for raising minimum wage (there was a push for $15 not that long ago). But each state has vastly different economies. Setting a number that works for both Arkansas and California doesn't make sense. Instead, they could have a standard that says each state must adjust their minimum wage for poverty lines (hourly wages must result in workers being x% above poverty lines). States are welcome to do more than that, but a minimum standard of living must be achievable for any worker. All of this is to say that parties will consolidate power when convenient for them. Whatever helps push their ideology further.

1 u/NullTupe 17 Feb 2024 17:37

A whole state is not "in their communities."

1 u/No_Refrigerator1115 17 Feb 2024 17:39

Maybe, I think you’re right ideally, which is why breaking something up on an even smaller scale is even better ! But state is better then federal and then yes country and township is an improvement over state I agree.

1 u/NullTupe 17 Feb 2024 18:17

Think really hard about if whether two people count as married or have protections under the law should vary from state to state. The world you want is nonfunctional. The state needs to exist only to protect freedoms and right. To guarantee them. So you need a justice system, and then whatever other systems are needed to provide an even playing field for those within it. Healthcare, education, housing, food. Provide guaranteed access to all of these things and you can mostly let people do whatever. But if whether or not two women can be married and be a family with kids can change based in what neighborhood you're in, there's a problem. If whether or not I'm allowed to own a firearm changes by street name, there's a problem. If whether or not a black person can marry a white person changes by zip code, there's a damn problem.

1 u/No_Refrigerator1115 17 Feb 2024 19:43

In the case of marriage, I just don’t feel like the governement has the right to define marriage really at all. We don’t need to ask permission imo. As far as the other things yeah your right some issues can’t be done on a small level in which case they graduate to the next level, I think we agree on that. Just maybe not on the specific policies.

1 u/Royal-Masterpiece-82 16 Feb 2024 17:01

I agree with you 100%. Way more people would vote dem if they dropped the gun grabbing shit. Could go both ways with the limiting access to abortion on the republican side. I can't vote for either party in good faith so, I'm voting independent. Seems like alot of people plan to vote independent this year, actually.

1 u/Bruce_Wayne_2276 16 Feb 2024 18:47

I know liberals want restrictions on the 2nd amendment, but I'm a little confused on where they're trying to restrict the 1st?

3 u/Bartender9719 16 Feb 2024 19:43

Trying to pass laws built off of their evangelical Christian faith, demonizing and attempting to criminalize non-violent protest, controlling what books are allowed in schools/libraries, limitations on self expression- wait….

1 u/NullTupe 17 Feb 2024 17:33

Dems are not leftists. It would be nice if right wingers were even half way politically informed.

1 u/Another-ban-evasion 19 Feb 2024 14:50

I wasn't referring to dems. I was referring to all the online leftist who openly screech about "freeze peaches" saying its a liberal ideal at that all bad speech (such as anything they deem hate speech) should be illegal and punishable by law.

1 u/Eguy24 * 18 Feb 2024 21:37

Since when is the left restricting the 1st amendment?

1 u/Another-ban-evasion 19 Feb 2024 14:52

I was referring to various online leftists who use phrases like "freeze peaches" and screech about how speech they don't like should be made illegal. Coincidentally these are usually the same people who strongly advocate "blue no matter who".

1 u/Eguy24 19 Feb 2024 15:18

So… a few online wackos versus actual real party legislation. Got it.

1 u/Another-ban-evasion 19 Feb 2024 16:21

Yes whackos like the ones who run most major subs. Like the ones who have major influence over online spaces such as Reddit and Twitter where an ever increasing percentage of young voters, or soon-to-be voters get a lot of their ideas, information and opinions on US politics.

1 u/Mrchristopherrr 16 Feb 2024 15:40

Conservatives who recognize going maga is a turn off and they still want to get laid.

1 u/schmittc 15 Feb 2024 20:10

>The Libertarian sub, much like the current Libertarian Party, is just Republicans who are ashamed to publicly admit what they are, even to themselves.

1 u/Ilan_Is_The_Name 16 Feb 2024 04:10

Such a Redditor take that perpetuates the 2 party mentality.

1 u/schmittc 16 Feb 2024 10:23

You can leave Reddit if you don't like it, you'd be making it a better place.

1 u/Bearwhale 16 Feb 2024 15:56

Such an edgelord take that assumes you're better than the rest of us.

1 u/guitar_vigilante 16 Feb 2024 19:44

Nah the libertarian subreddit used to be pretty cool and open to a pretty wide variety of viewpoints both within the libertarian umbrella and out of it. In the past couple years though it has been hijacked by right wingers and purged pretty much all the users who aren't conservatives. For example the sub used to have a bunch of libertarian socialists (the original libertarians) and now if you say the word an auto mod comment will reply saying the term is an oxymoron and there are no libertarian socialists.

1 u/NullTupe 17 Feb 2024 17:40

Found the libertarian who votes republican.

1 u/CapitalSubstance7310 15 Feb 2024 20:44

Libertarianism is good view point, especially economically But these clowns ruin a good idea. Which helps commies create strawmans

1 u/Th3Glutt0n 15 Feb 2024 23:19

Lost all credibility at "commies" lmao

1 u/CapitalSubstance7310 15 Feb 2024 23:45

I should also include conservatives, any big government viewpoint

1 u/longfrog246 18 Feb 2024 06:53

What is the revolution gonna happen anytime now tankie?

1 u/chode0311 17 Feb 2024 14:40

To me libertarianism is a philosophy that originated from the landed gentry type of human who waxed lyrical about freedoms while owning slaves. Their ultimate goal was to convince poor people the current economic system is good for them and that ignore their wealth accumulation creating massive wealth divides. Do you know Voltaire's character Pangloss? I feel like that's the quintessential libertarian. A person who was born into privilege at the top of the hierarchy convincing society that the current economic and social order is the best possible outcome. It's just a bunch of well off people trying to convince poor people they deserve their wealth. I think that is a summation of libertarianism in a nutshell.

1 u/WhimsicalWyvern 17 Feb 2024 17:45

Libertarianism is great if you assume that consumers have perfect information and understanding of what they consume and that there's no such thing as the commons or network effects.

1 u/Comprehensive_Pin565 17 Feb 2024 22:42

Since libertariannideals fit within a leftist framework... no lol.

1 u/CapitalSubstance7310 17 Feb 2024 22:43

Could you explain further?

1 u/Another-ban-evasion 16 Feb 2024 02:24

On one of my old accounts I got drug in that sub because I suggested that it was a bad look to associate with white supremacists.

1 u/Alconium 16 Feb 2024 05:11

I got banned for talking about Georgism tax plans because somehow a land only tax is socialism? Who knows.

1 u/its_a_gibibyte 16 Feb 2024 16:13

I got banned for saying I supported Gary Johnson's views on carbon taxes (that they're needed because people don't have an inherent right to pollute other peoples property). The literal 2020 Libertarian nominee for President isn't Libertarian enough for then.

1 u/ComesInAnOldBox 16 Feb 2024 20:00

Please, the party backed Bob Barr, of all fucking people before that. There's nothing libertarian about the Libertarian Party.

16 u/banned_resurrection 15 Feb 2024 14:51

Ah yes the go to mute for 28 days when you ask questions

6 u/allMightyGINGER [OP] 15 Feb 2024 15:04

It specifically says "If you have questions regarding the ban, please message the moderators in this message". I will be messaging them in 28 days. I know it won't change anything but it will make them mad.

1 u/banned_resurrection 15 Feb 2024 15:21

I look forward to updates

11 u/110011 * 15 Feb 2024 15:54

They'll mute you again. Mods are the most hilariously pathetically form of human being.

2 u/allMightyGINGER [OP] 15 Feb 2024 16:24

I'm going to specifically copy and paste there auto reply for when you get banned. It should be funny regardless on how the answer

2 u/asifnot 15 Feb 2024 17:02

I like to come back from the mute, instructing them to mute me again, as that is the full extent of their powers.

2 u/ShroomFoot 15 Feb 2024 17:09

I used to remind them they're power tripping, but it seems since this past summer, suddenly mods are quick to make claims that anyone banned and calmly stating they feel the ban was invalid is "harassing" them and I just don't feel like retraining algorithms every time a teenybopper wants to feel superior.

1 u/banghi 15 Feb 2024 17:45

They can get you site banned as well. They consider it harassment as they are fragile little snowflakes, but site ban you they will. Easy enough to reverse for me as it wasn't harassment but still was offline for a few days.

1 u/asifnot 15 Feb 2024 18:53

Damn, it would take me dozens of minutes to make a new profile.

1 u/banghi 15 Feb 2024 19:20

Sure but then the bastards win. Fuck 'em.

1 u/banghi 15 Feb 2024 17:43

Be careful, I tried that and they did a site ban on my account. I got it reversed but was still a pain. Don't engage unless you want to go through that.

8 u/requiemoftherational 15 Feb 2024 16:36

>o to mute for 28 days when you ask questions btw, if you say something in 28 days your will get a site side ban for harassing the moderators. I'm not sure why there is an appeal process, but I do understand why it seems like the average account on reddit is less than a year old.

3 u/banned_resurrection 15 Feb 2024 16:42

I’m on my fifth account

1 u/requiemoftherational 15 Feb 2024 16:47

I lost count. I currently have 4 open that I alternate between

1 u/KaiWren75 15 Feb 2024 18:15

You guys pay for a VPN to post on Reddit? Isn't that about the worst use for your money you could think of?

3 u/requiemoftherational 15 Feb 2024 18:18

you don't need a vpn. Reddit doesn't actually track ip's very closely because most people have dynamic IP's. I use brave and have it delete all my browsing history every time I close it. Reddit tracks via cookies and scripts. If you are using the app, the app collets device specific information so they can ban you and not even a VPN will bring you back.

1 u/CryMoreNeckbeard 17 Feb 2024 21:01

I can assure you that, at least with an iPhone, that is not true lol. One can erase the data from the Reddit app, delete it and redownload it if you wanna be really sure. Use a new account and VPN and they’ll never know.

2 u/Pleasant_Eggplant_ 15 Feb 2024 19:49

When reddit site bans you they outright tell you to make a new account. If your ban was for subreddit ban evasion they'll ban all of your accounts and keep banning new ones for a couple days though.

1 u/KaiWren75 15 Feb 2024 22:39

I didn't know that because usually when I catch a ban I just quite Reddit till I have a reason to ask why I was banned. They have removed it every time so far.

1 u/redditis_garbage 18 Feb 2024 23:08

I have my banned and unbanned accounts linked, they really do not care. Reddit knows their ban system is garbage they just don’t want to spend the resources to fix it or actually moderate it in any way.

1 u/dismissed_evidence 15 Feb 2024 21:04

I got perma banned from Reddit for posting a video of Trump saying we should take guns away. It was harassment towards a Mod

2 u/Exotic-Choice1119 19 Feb 2024 08:28

“banned resurrection” 💀

1 u/banghi 15 Feb 2024 17:41

I won the site ban they foisted on me. Reddit reversed it with little effort. The ban was clearly just petty mods being dicks and the site admins didn't even respond to my appeal, just reinstated me in a day or three.

1 u/KaiWren75 15 Feb 2024 18:15

Mods cannot site wide ban. Just their own sub.

1 u/banghi 15 Feb 2024 18:18

Just saying I was site banned for harassment of the Libertarian mods. I challenged it and it was reversed. YMMV.

2 u/ArkaneArtificer 15 Feb 2024 20:30

I was too lmao, perma banned from Reddit, for asking for a appeal on that sub, Reddit still hasn’t reversed it after my appeal

1 u/CognitivDecline 15 Feb 2024 21:17

Another annoying thing is getting banned for commenting in a sub you forgot you were banned on another account.

1 u/GONKworshipper 15 Feb 2024 23:34

I got my ban reversed on BPT. Not on WPT, though

1 u/CloudyRiverMind 15 Feb 2024 21:17

Reddit is a cancerous cesspool that seeks to cover you in it's filth.

15 u/RetiredByFourty 15 Feb 2024 14:57

The Libertarian sub isn't libertarian what so ever. The MODs are far left wackadoodles. Heck, overall it's a moronic liberal circle jerk with a heavy dose of TDS. I was banned from there too.

1 u/allMightyGINGER [OP] † 15 Feb 2024 15:08

I got the idea they are far right not so much far left, I see constant support for book banning, etc. but being a libertarian by definition and despise both far left and right, although I am more worried about the far right with how they been acting since Sleepy Biden was elected.

1 u/SnooWonder † 15 Feb 2024 15:12

It can seem that way but liberals are all for book banning too if it's books they don't agree with. If anything they are extreme anti-authoritarian so they'd be buddies with antifa.

2 u/allMightyGINGER [OP] † 15 Feb 2024 15:26

Looking at the comment they banned me on its safe to say at least that moderator is far right. I don't fully disagree, the far left loves to shut down conversation with right/ far right people with aggressive protest, while I support their right to protest, it feels wrong to do. Lol dont get me started on antifa, it's impressive how authoritarian they are while claiming to be anti-fascist, the fit in with MAGA and the extreme right.

1 u/DblThrowDown 15 Feb 2024 15:30

Naw the dude is a leftist

1 u/Bearwhale 16 Feb 2024 16:04

There was an attempt... troll.

1 u/NullTupe 17 Feb 2024 18:06

Prove it.

3 u/SnooWonder 15 Feb 2024 16:06

I guess I'd have to see. I earned my ban on the most benign of comments, along the lines of "as usual, the answer lies somewhere in the middle". Their note didn't even indicate what the problem was other than that it "broke the rules" so frankly, I don't know and I don't care. They suck at life and that sums it up.

1 u/DblThrowDown † 15 Feb 2024 15:29

No they are hard left it's quite obvious

4 u/allMightyGINGER [OP] 15 Feb 2024 15:37

I'm Just wondering why you think that, not reddit as a whole because I would 100% agree with you but specifically that subreddit. I genuinely believe that subreddit has been taken over by the right, and feel like I could easily support my stance if you want.

2 u/DblThrowDown † 15 Feb 2024 15:44

Because the OP got banned for criticism of leftist politicians for a start?

5 u/allMightyGINGER [OP] 15 Feb 2024 15:50

Lol what I criticised the post for not including known authoritarian republics that of act in anti libertarian way. Johnson won't let bills he disagree with go to the house floor for a vote, wont get funding for the border while impeaching someone for failing to protect the border, DeSantis for so many things and Trump for supporting a national abortion ban (Although I understand libertarian do have a none religious argument against abortion, I don't think it's strong enough)

1 u/Snoo4902 15 Feb 2024 16:30

Centre-right is not leftism

5 u/doorknobman 16 Feb 2024 02:25

I really need you to work on your reading comprehension, holy shit

1 u/NullTupe 17 Feb 2024 18:05

OP criticized *republican* politicians. Are republicans now leftists?

3 u/RusticRedwood † 15 Feb 2024 15:47

OP, you're right. This person has no idea what they're talking about. No left-leaning sub would link to the Mises Caucus. The LPMC is a bunch of MAGAs that have been driving the party into the ground.

1 u/TruettLane 15 Feb 2024 15:51

The Mises Caucus is definitely not MAGA. Everyone I know in it despise Trump and the republicans just as much as Biden and the Democrats.

1 u/myfingid 15 Feb 2024 17:28

For hating MAGA and Republicans they sure act like MAGA Republicans. They're doing a great job of removing libertarians from the Libertarian subreddit when they question Republicans, Trump, Abortion, or the Mises Caucus. Further: * They removed the abortion plank form the LP * They removed the wording against bigotry * They openly said they want to open the party up to social conservatives (which is why they did the first two actions). * They regularly say things you'd expect to hear from the social right. NHLP Twitter accounts have been called out by libertarians several times for saying stupid shit. They're social conservatives, fullstop. Hell their current big thing is using voluntary association to enforce their social code by not interacting with those who do not follow it; the grand vision being private cities that can expel those who don't follow the rules. It's the new States Rights for them. If what excites you the most about promoting libertarian values is the ability to enforce your will without a higher authority preventing you from doing so, you're just another authoritarian. You're just one who knows your shit won't fly at a higher level and are settling for what little influence you can get. [https://reason.com/2021/06/23/inside-the-battle-over-the-soul-of-the-libertarian-party/](https://reason.com/2021/06/23/inside-the-battle-over-the-soul-of-the-libertarian-party/)

1 u/banghi 15 Feb 2024 17:51

You consider the Mises Caucus far left? What a tool.

1 u/DblThrowDown 15 Feb 2024 18:01

You are a tool yes.

1 u/FinalPianist600 15 Feb 2024 16:14

This sub is for far right rejects who have been banned for being bigots in other subs to cry about how unfair it is. Just fyi, thats why you're being gaslit.

1 u/requiemoftherational 15 Feb 2024 16:40

That sounds like a leftist if I've ever heard one

1 u/FinalPianist600 15 Feb 2024 16:41

U sound like a cry baby.

1 u/NullTupe 17 Feb 2024 18:06

Do words mean anything in your head, or do you just kinda let them rattle around until something oozes out?

1 u/requiemoftherational 15 Feb 2024 16:39

I know of no republicans that are banning books. Limiting access to minors is a standard we've had on media for decades.

2 u/allMightyGINGER [OP] 15 Feb 2024 17:01

Book bans in the United States have seen a significant increase in recent years, particularly in school libraries. According to PEN America, there were nearly 2,500 unique titles challenged in 2022, a 38% increase from the previous year. That's concerning to people who believe that it restricts students' access to important information and diverse viewpoints. Organizations like PEN America and the American Library Association suggest that challenges to books in libraries and schools often stem from conservative-leaning groups or individuals who object to content they perceive as promoting specific ideologies or social agendas. These challenges can target books that address race, sexual orientation, gender identity, or other sensitive topics. The current trend in the US does suggest a link between certain political views and efforts to restrict access to certain books.

1 u/requiemoftherational 15 Feb 2024 17:19

So they aren't bans they are an attempt at limiting access to minors? I mean Amazon was caught removing books critical of covid policy on instruction of the Biden admin....

1 u/allMightyGINGER [OP] 15 Feb 2024 17:51

I would be against that as well, you prove my point that, im truly against books bans (also known as restricting people access to information). Banning information you disagree with is authoritarian, the opposite of libertarianism. I dont Ron would try to make the argument that he is a libertarian. You aren't as libertarian as I am at that's okay! Most people are a mix of libertarian and authoritarian, they are people even more libertarian than I am. Just be honest with yourself and others.

1 u/requiemoftherational 15 Feb 2024 17:54

I'm against book bans too, I have no problems with preventing kids from watching rated R movies in the absence of their parents supervision. There's a difference between a ban and legitimate concern for developing kids with a lack of discernment.

1 u/allMightyGINGER [OP] 15 Feb 2024 18:07

So if I find you examples of books banned that shouldn't be in the states that have aggressively started banning books, would you agree that the powers that enacted those laws failed to protect Liberty at the cost of maybe saving a few kids from Reading something inappropriate. Most libertarian I know are willing to accept that some harm may be caused in protecting liberty. 2nd absolutists will make the argument that children dying isn't reason enough to ban guns. Now personally I mostly agree with that although I think the death of those children might be worth some common sense gun laws as long as it does affect law abiding sane civilians from owning guns. Yes I specifically use this example because if you defend the 2nd amendment that strongly you must defend the 1st with the same gumption. I will provide you with a list if you don't believe me.

1 u/requiemoftherational 15 Feb 2024 18:20

go for it. I'll show you how to buy them on amazon

1 u/allMightyGINGER [OP] 15 Feb 2024 18:50

But you can get them from government controlled libraries, which is a violation of the first amendment. Don't give staw man argument

1 u/requiemoftherational 15 Feb 2024 19:08

Strawman? You're trying to redefine words. The federal government has not say in local government. Are you going to try to outvote your state that minors should be allowed into R-rated movies? Good luck

1 u/allMightyGINGER [OP] 15 Feb 2024 19:32

I can't tell if you're a troll or just that ignorant. Either way, have a great day!

1 u/Bearwhale 16 Feb 2024 16:05

He's a troll, he's all over this thread actively trolling.

1 u/Linfiltrato 16 Feb 2024 15:15

You're the one who is trying to redefine what book ban means...

1 u/No_Refrigerator1115 17 Feb 2024 06:27

Right but his point is the right just wants age appropriate libraries, the left removes historical literature and cancels books availability to everyone by having them removed from stores. I understand not being in favor of either and I’m not even trying to blame the left more. But in my estimation it does not seem reasonable to think the right is more at fault I guess.

1 u/No_Refrigerator1115 17 Feb 2024 06:24

Right but the left contributes too, to kill a mocking bird, the adventures of huckleberry fynn that’s all the left. The right generally is just advocating for age appropriate library’s not that the material isn’t available to high school students.

1 u/NullTupe 17 Feb 2024 18:07

Desantis.

1 u/ScionMattly 15 Feb 2024 17:40

>I got the idea they are far right not so much far left, I see constant support for book banning, etc. but being a libertarian by definition and despise both far left and right, although I am more worried about the far right with how they been acting since Sleepy Biden was elected. The majority of the "libertarians" in the US are actually just temporarily embarrassed Republicans, and perfectly willing to exert authoritarian impulses to advance their own agendas.

1 u/TheRatingsAgency † 15 Feb 2024 15:10

Far left? It’s all Mises Caucus folks now. It’s not the far left taking over that sub at all.

2 u/TruettLane 15 Feb 2024 15:40

Someone in the Mises Caucus wouldn’t ban him for that. Dave Smith hates left/right wing politicians equally.

4 u/TheRatingsAgency * 15 Feb 2024 15:52

Well it’s certainly not going to be lefties doing it either since it’s mostly hating on Dems in the pic.

2 u/TruettLane 15 Feb 2024 16:06

Lmao that sucks, I’m a bit new to being active on Reddit. Any recommendations for good subreddits where people can talk/disagree?

2 u/allMightyGINGER [OP] 15 Feb 2024 16:30

Centrist is still pretty good and so is political compass. Libertarian was pretty good up until recently

1 u/myfingid 15 Feb 2024 18:37

The Mises mods are banning anyone who speaks ill of Republicans, pro-life positions, the Mises Caucus, and generally isn't a social conservative like them. They're behind this. It doesn't matter what Dave Smith thinks; the Mises Caucus by and large is doing social right things and has opened the party up to the social right. They've been a threat for some time now and it appears they've won. The LP is the new TEA Party.

1 u/Linfiltrato 16 Feb 2024 14:34

Nah. Dave Smith never goes in on conservatives the way he goes in on liberals and leftists.

8 u/largma 15 Feb 2024 15:25

Far left and bans people for criticizing republicans? Something there doesn’t line up

-5 u/DblThrowDown † 15 Feb 2024 15:31

Exactly don't listen to the gaslighting here trying to say it's far right mods. It's reddit it's a leftist cesspool

6 u/largma 15 Feb 2024 15:33

Again you’re the one gaslighting if anything, OP was banned for a very reasoned and soft criticism that targeted the right. A left wing, much less far left, mod wouldn’t ban someone for criticizing Trump

1 u/DblThrowDown 15 Feb 2024 15:42

Again YOU are gaslighting. None of logic makes any sense

-2 u/DblThrowDown † 15 Feb 2024 15:43

I agreed with you fool. OP was banned for criticism of Leftist politicians and 1 right.

1 u/PartyOfFore 15 Feb 2024 16:01

3 of those are Republicans, not 1.

1 u/DblThrowDown 15 Feb 2024 16:02

Meh

1 u/bb41476 15 Feb 2024 16:23

There are two Republicans on there. 😆

6 u/largma 15 Feb 2024 16:10

You can’t just define anyone you don’t like as leftist to fit your bias lmao

1 u/requiemoftherational 15 Feb 2024 16:38

I left the republican party because they ran Romney....just saying

1 u/Linfiltrato 16 Feb 2024 15:12

And that's supposed to mean?...

1 u/aidensmooth 16 Feb 2024 16:05

That he’s an idiot who was probably part of the tea party

1 u/NullTupe 17 Feb 2024 17:52

Romney also isn't a leftist. He's a wacko mormon. "Progressive is LITERALLY a slur to them. Watch their general conferences. You are bonkers.

5 u/ScionMattly 15 Feb 2024 17:38

>I agreed with you fool. OP was banned for criticism of Leftist politicians and 1 right. Reading is hard, but if you click the link you can see he got Banned for commenting on the anti-left meme that it was biased and silly to also not include far right anti-liberty authoritarians as well. He was banned for being an actual libertarian, one of the rarest creatures on the planet.

3 u/allMightyGINGER [OP] 15 Feb 2024 19:31

Thank you for the kind words. I try very hard to be a true libertarian. Even if it sometimes means I have to advocate for a policy that I personally don't agree with

1 u/Parasocialist69420 15 Feb 2024 18:48

Why wasn’t the original post banned then? I swear, conservatives never think past their next thought.

1 u/[deleted] 16 Feb 2024 12:54

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-6 u/tacticalman4566 15 Feb 2024 15:39

Reddit is not even remotely leftist

4 u/DblThrowDown 15 Feb 2024 15:41

Ahahahahahahaha! Go sell your FUD somewhere else no one's buying it here. Thats the funniest thing I've read all day

-5 u/tacticalman4566 15 Feb 2024 15:47

tell me you know nothing of politics without telling me fucking dumbass

7 u/DblThrowDown 15 Feb 2024 15:48

LoL you lost bro. Lost hard.

4 u/bb41476 15 Feb 2024 16:23

Take the L, bud.

1 u/Tha_Sly_Fox † 15 Feb 2024 17:26

So I’m going to play devils advocate beside it honestly could to either way. The OP was criticizing the meme itself and accused them of being conservative, he could have been banned for challenging the meme itself and not just blindly clapping along like a seal which is what some Reddit subs want. The very far left have huge disdain for the west and so anything that criticizes western leaders (there are both Republican and Democrat leaders here) or the west in general is good, there are far left people who support Russia simply because Russia challenges western global influence.

1 u/Bearwhale 16 Feb 2024 16:02

What year are you in? Tucker Carlson supports Russia. Elon Musk supports Russia. The Democrats are trying to pass Ukraine aid but it keeps getting undercut by REPUBLICANS. The far left does not support Russia. The right wing, on the other hand..

1 u/Tha_Sly_Fox 16 Feb 2024 19:14

Tankies are generally pro Russia and anti west, those idiots ultra far left Your political spectrum is too narrow

1 u/WhispererInDankness 16 Feb 2024 21:28

Tankies are pro USSR, not pro modern day russia

1 u/Tha_Sly_Fox 17 Feb 2024 01:43

They’re pros Marxism while often being anti west because of its capitalist affiliations Although Russia is a capitalist nation they often view anything antithetical to the west as a positive, sort of an enemy of my enemy thing

1 u/WhispererInDankness 17 Feb 2024 01:46

No they are pro marxist-Leninist (not just marxist) with a specific emphasis on the military prowess of USSR and China Russia today is an authoritarian oligarchy and no sensible leftist supports them.

1 u/Tha_Sly_Fox 17 Feb 2024 01:57

[Why America’s Far Right and Far Left Have Aligned Against Helping Ukraine (Foreign Policy)](https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/07/04/us-politics-ukraine-russia-far-right-left-progressive-horseshoe-theory/) [The Left's Peculiar Alignment with Russia (Newsweek)](https://www.newsweek.com/lefts-peculiar-alignment-russia-opinion-1808768#:~:text=One%20possible%20explanation%20for%20the,resulted%20in%20a%20redundant%20failure.)

1 u/WhispererInDankness 17 Feb 2024 02:20

America has no significant far left presence so this first article is dumb. Anyone who uses “far left” to refer to establishment democrats is either completely uninformed about the political spectrum or being intentionally misleading. Americans democrats are centrists from a global political perspective. “Leftists”, from a global perspective, are anti-capital, and there is no significant political presence of anti-capitalists in America. I don’t give a fuck what newsweek has to say and Brazil is aligned with Russia for economic reasons with BRICS. Sounds to me like you hear a lot of sound bytes and read a lot of propaganda and don’t actually associate with American leftists. The most you could say is that leftists are against the American hegemony and our policy of interventionism, but that doesn’t mean they actively support or promote russia as a better alternative

1 u/Comfortable_Fill9081 * 17 Feb 2024 23:44

I thought the first article was good in its analysis, though I take your point that the *number* of people represented in its “far right” bucket is massive compared to the number of people represented in its “far left” bucket. The authors do point out that the flat “left/right” terminology isn’t really apt, particularly for American politics, but that they’re going with it for lack of better. I don’t think we have very good terminology in political discussion. I think that’s because as soon as someone tries to form apt descriptors, someone else tries to manipulate their meaning because, well, it’s politics.

2 u/Comfortable_Fill9081 17 Feb 2024 23:39

I wish that Foreign Policy article was better organized. It doesn’t flow well. Its organization seems to be spiral rather than outline. But IMO its analysis is spot-on.

1 u/NullTupe 17 Feb 2024 18:02

Tankies worship the state. They're a center righr (at best) authoritarian group. They will throw away all forms of progressivism to defend the state, and will happily defend policies identical to a fascist state, so long as their state gives lip service to Lenin, Mao, or Ho Chi Min. They aren't Marxists. They're Leninists, glorified fascists who have appropriated the language of the left. Like Strasserites. That's why smoothbrain nonsense like "maga communism" exists. They're already fascist in everything but flavor. It's not a big leap for them to give lip service to workers and just work alongside the normal, open fascists. They're happily anti-progressive because to be progressive is to criticize the status quo, and to criticize the status quo is to criticize the state, and to criticize the state is anti-revolutionary. Everything the left *is*, being anti-hierarchy in economic, social, and political spheres... Tankies are not. They *love* accumulation of wealth and wealth inequality. They just want the state to have everything and everyone else to share the scraps. And for the Party to have a little extra, of course. Vanguardists and MLs are just bad people all around. There are some very confused supposed leftists who just use "anti-west" as a heuristic, though, you're not wrong. But they're like the right-libertarians of the left. Lazy thinkers who don't engage much with the actual issues and elements that go into their political position. It's basically a social club for them, a place to purity test and virtue signal. (MAGA loves to do that, too. Same lack of critical thinking.)

2 u/myfingid 15 Feb 2024 15:39

I'm curious what you were banned for and why you think they're far left. The social right Mises Caucus Mods took over the sub. From what I've seen they're banning anyone who questions the social conservative Mises Caucus, Republicans, abortion, and/or Trump. They're trying to purify the forum before the election, knowing that if there are actual libertarians on there we'll call out their social conservative bullshit. I guess they don't want their Trump supporting "libertarians" getting butt hurt over there, which in fairness they do seem to have some thin skinned social conservatives at this point who get really offended when you point out that Republicans aren't the good guys.

1 u/banghi 15 Feb 2024 17:47

You are on crack, it's a Mises Caucus playground and populated my MAGA dicks cosplaying as Libertarians.

1 u/OG_WHITE_VAN 16 Feb 2024 00:32

As a communist, no they are not far left. They support the capitalist system.

1 u/doorknobman 16 Feb 2024 02:24

Bro what? The sub has been co-opted by right wingers for years. Used to be able to have good faith discussions, then they just started throwing bans around to anyone that disagreed with mods/frequent posters. There’s no way you can look at the post histories of mods and the top posts on the subs and come to the conclusion that the mods are far left lmfao

1 u/DearKick 16 Feb 2024 04:00

I get the exact opposite from the sub, it used to be pretty legit and actually libertarian. Recently its been taken over by trumpets.

1 u/El_Cactus_Fantastico 16 Feb 2024 08:54

In my experience they are right wingers.

1 u/Linfiltrato 16 Feb 2024 14:36

Lol broflake you got it wrong. They're right wing.

1 u/NullTupe 17 Feb 2024 17:50

Far left in what way? What does that even mean?

11 u/realistthoughts 15 Feb 2024 16:46

You should absolutely not have been banned. I hate both parties but dems a fucking shit up rn.

2 u/Fickle_Look9546 † 15 Feb 2024 18:49

Dems aren’t great at all, but if you think dems do more damage than the republicans, and, say trump, who isn’t even in office and STILL managed to piss off EVERY ally of America with 1 monumentally stupid statement by even his standards, then you aren’t being impartial at all and clearly the hatred leans a little heavier on 1 side for you.

1 u/PoliticsDunnRight 15 Feb 2024 20:35

There’s no reason to be impartial. Republicans are the party of big government and Democrats are the party of bigger government.

1 u/Fickle_Look9546 15 Feb 2024 20:44

Sure. Many millions would disagree entirely but you….thank god we have you to tell us where the real truth lies. I’m SURE that it’s just those reasons you provided, and NOTHING else comes into the equation whatsoever for any reason. 🙄

1 u/PoliticsDunnRight 15 Feb 2024 20:59

The existence of disagreement does not imply subjectivity.

-3 u/SnooTigers5086 15 Feb 2024 23:49

What did trump do that was worse than Biden

3 u/neutronknows 16 Feb 2024 05:17

Try and put an end to the tradition of a peaceful transfer of power that has been the hallmark of our nation since its inception 225 years ago.

1 u/Surfing-millennial 19 Feb 2024 09:45

You’re really pulling this shit in the thread about getting punished for asking questions…

1 u/Bearwhale 16 Feb 2024 05:26

Over 90 criminal charges on four separate cases? Or how about the fact that Trump raped a woman and lied about it.

1 u/SnooTigers5086 16 Feb 2024 06:21

Yeah, I’m sure Trump is actually a huge criminal who committed crime after crime and who wasn’t caught until after he became hated. Allegedly raped a woman. She, too, took a while to come forward with her claims. But I’m sure she was just processing trauma, right?

1 u/Pirateangel113 16 Feb 2024 07:27

"From the 1970s until he was elected president in 2016, Donald Trump and his businesses were involved in over 4,000 legal cases in U.S. federal and state courts, including battles with casino patrons, million-dollar real estate lawsuits, personal defamation lawsuits, and over 100 business tax disputes" [source ](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_and_business_legal_affairs_of_Donald_Trump#:~:text=From%20the%201970s%20until%20he,over%20100%20business%20tax%20disputes) That's BEFORE HE WAS PRESIDENT >Yeah, I’m sure Trump is actually a huge criminal who committed crime after crime and who wasn’t caught until after he ~~became hated~~ came into the spotlight. Ftfy When you become president you have GIANT spot light over your entire life. Hiding skeletons in the closet gets exponentially harder because the entire world is looking at your life through a microscope. >Allegedly raped a woman. She, too, took a while to come forward with her claims Not 'allegedly' anymore.. He was found liable for raping her. That is the correct terminology. She took a while to come forward because she had passed the statute of limitations. Recently The law opened a one-time window for adult sexual assault survivors in New York to file a civil case against an abuser or institution that protected the abuser — no matter when the assault took place, even if it's outside the statute of limitations. But that window expires in six months. She was one of the people that came forward. She did not have the money to fight a billionaire in court before the statute of limitations was up earlier in her life.

1 u/SnooTigers5086 16 Feb 2024 16:16

>Not 'allegedly' anymore.. He was found liable for raping her. That is the correct terminology. Wait, it was a civil case? For rape???

1 u/Pirateangel113 16 Feb 2024 16:56

Yes. Has to do with the fact that it was outside the statute of limitations.

1 u/SnooTigers5086 16 Feb 2024 16:59

Did he plea guilty or was he found guilty?

2 u/umbrabates 16 Feb 2024 17:59

He was found guilty. Then after the trial, he tried to sue her for defamation for calling him a rapist. The judge told him, no, she can do that because you were found guilty of raping her. It's not defamation to call you a rapist. That means, every newspaper in the country can call him "Donald Trump, a known rapist, ..." and he can't touch them.

1 u/SnooTigers5086 18 Feb 2024 07:39

What evidence was used in court? I’m genuinely curious. It has to be very difficult to prove something like that

2 u/El_Cactus_Fantastico 16 Feb 2024 08:53

Christ almighty get his cock out of your mouth already.

1 u/SnooTigers5086 16 Feb 2024 16:38

Get Bidens out of yours bro tf Like you can’t seriously look at Biden and think “yeah, trump is just about as bad as this guy”

2 u/El_Cactus_Fantastico 16 Feb 2024 18:42

Trump is easily worse and I don’t like Biden.

1 u/magww 17 Feb 2024 15:56

They’re both all this country has to offer shows how fucking stupid this mess is.

1 u/Bartender9719 16 Feb 2024 19:50

People never get away with crimes for years while hiding behind an army of lawyers and a pile of wealth, [never happens](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernie_Madoff).

1 u/DKerriganuk 16 Feb 2024 08:15

Trump's pro Putin/anti Putin rhetoric is confusing as he'll. Last I checked he would stand up for Ukraine, unlike Biden....

4 u/Mrchristopherrr 16 Feb 2024 15:43

Are you saying Trump would stand up for Ukraine? Because there was a whole impeachment about him withholding aid because they wouldn’t make shit up about Biden during the election.

2 u/Bearwhale 16 Feb 2024 15:58

And the fact that Trump would just give Ukraine to Russia on a gold platter if he could.

1 u/TheTopBroccoli 17 Feb 2024 15:03

Make up what? The thing he admitted to?

1 u/SnooTigers5086 16 Feb 2024 16:27

He’s anti Russia, but he’ll show respect towards the extremely powerful and dangerous enemy.

3 u/El_Cactus_Fantastico 16 Feb 2024 08:52

Tax cuts for wealthy people. And an attempted coup.

1 u/SnooTigers5086 16 Feb 2024 16:33

Tax cuts for ~~wealthy people~~ everyone. >And an attempted coup. Oh yeah, the “coup” he discouraged? The one he didn’t contribute to?

2 u/El_Cactus_Fantastico 16 Feb 2024 18:42

lol you’re not a serious person.

1 u/Rocky323 16 Feb 2024 21:51

>Tax cuts for ~~wealthy people~~ everyone. Then why did his policy only have the cuts revert for non wealthy people? >Oh yeah, the “coup” he discouraged? The one he didn’t contribute to? Makes sense you're one of those.

1 u/NullTupe 17 Feb 2024 17:44

The tax cuts for everyone expired. The tax cuts for the wealthy did not.

1 u/PersonalPineapple911 16 Feb 2024 12:53

They think a guy who was there 4 years is the reason for all the country's problems while the 50 year career politicians have done a great job getting us here.

1 u/Bearwhale 16 Feb 2024 15:59

If the 4 year guy wasn't, I dunno, BREAKING THE LAW and, you know, ATTEMPTING TO OVERTURN OUR DEMOCRACY TO SEIZE POWER, you might have a point.

1 u/SnooTigers5086 16 Feb 2024 16:54

How did he overturn democracy?

2 u/Humble_Canary7223 16 Feb 2024 17:42

Purposefully dense, move along everyone

1 u/SnooTigers5086 18 Feb 2024 07:36

Notice how you didn’t refute my claim

1 u/Bearwhale 16 Feb 2024 19:00

I would say you "attempted" to read my post but missed a word.

1 u/SnooTigers5086 18 Feb 2024 07:45

Sorry, “attempted”. How did he attempt to overturn democracy? How did he get close?

1 u/NullTupe 17 Feb 2024 17:46

Attempting to organize fake electors not enough?

1 u/SnooTigers5086 18 Feb 2024 08:14

Wdym?

1 u/NullTupe 18 Feb 2024 09:28

You can just google "fake electors scandal" or "republican fake electors". January 6th is related

1 u/PersonalPineapple911 16 Feb 2024 17:27

No, I've just got a point. Liberals on reddit just hate admitting it.

1 u/Bearwhale 16 Feb 2024 19:01

I understand it's hard for conservatives to process what we call in the real world, "context", but you do you buddy.

1 u/Thejlas1 16 Feb 2024 17:33

Imagine being this unhinged about your make believe shit.

1 u/Linfiltrato 16 Feb 2024 15:16

Made tax cuts for the wealthy and for big businesses permanent but made them expire for the lower and middle classes.

1 u/esahji_mae 17 Feb 2024 00:55

Where to begin... 1. Allegedly was a creep during the 1980s during the beauty pageant shows he owned. 2. Allegedly (and found liable) for SA E Jean Carrol. 3. Has publicly made creepy comments about his own daughter and hung around with Mr Island. 4. Has has fraudulent business dealings (and is now facing the courts) since the 1980s. Now to get to his political side of things: 1. Banned transgender people from the military (undone by Biden). 2. Wasted millions of taxpayer dollars on golf tournaments instead of governing. 3. Gutted any sort of meaningful action that we have made under the Obama administration towards cheaper healthcare and climate action. 4. Passed tax reforms that benefit only the wealthy. 5. Has publicly praised dictators such as Putin and Kim jong Un. 6. Had tried to get Ukraine to interfere with a us election (pre 2020). 7. Has taken boxes upon boxes of classified documents without clearance and stashed them in mar a Lago, potentially in reach of non authorized individuals. 8. Interrupted the peaceful transfer of power between presidents and incited an insurrection attempt. 9. Has advocated for Project 2025 and has made it his priority if he is re elected. 10. Has spread baseless claims about rigged elections. 11. Has disrespected the military by referring to them as "losers" when visiting a memorial cemetery. The list goes on but the bottom line is that he is unfit for the oval office ever again. Now to what Biden has done: 1. Be old and forgets things on occasion 2. Not hitting hard enough against the GQP 3. Eats too much ice cream?

1 u/SnooTigers5086 18 Feb 2024 08:07

>Allegedly was a creep during the 1980s during the beauty pageant shows he owned. Allegedly. >Allegedly (and found liable) for SA E Jean Carrol. What proof? >Has publicly made creepy comments about his own daughter and hung around with Mr Island. Stated that a boy her age would find her attractive. Like a normal father would say. Also literally cut ties with Epstein after he found out. Wasn’t on the list. >Has has fraudulent business dealings (and is now facing the courts) since the 1980s. Mf biden is literally worse than that >Banned transgender people from the military (undone by Biden). The military is very physical. Having biological women with men and biological men with women would make things *very* complicated. >Wasted millions of taxpayer dollars on golf tournaments instead of governing. Bro you should see what bidens doing with billions lmao Gutted any sort of meaningful action that we have made under the Obama administration towards cheaper healthcare and climate action. Like what? Were they actually beneficial? >Passed tax reforms that benefit only the wealthy. What were the laws? >Has publicly praised dictators such as Putin and Kim jong Un. Oh no, a world leader is trying to not piss off other world leaders! How horrifying! >Had tried to get Ukraine to interfere with a us election (pre 2020). What? >Has taken boxes upon boxes of classified documents without clearance and stashed them in mar a Lago, potentially in reach of non authorized individuals. “Potentially”. He just did it because he could. It was less of a traitor thing and more of an arrogance thing. Also didn’t Biden do the exact same thing? >Interrupted the peaceful transfer of power between presidents and incited an insurrection attempt. Oh, like how he stated “let there be a peaceful transfer of power” on twitter and told people to go home? Yeah it was all his fault. >Has advocated for Project 2025 and has made it his priority if he is re elected. What’s project 2025? >Has spread baseless claims about rigged elections. Don’t seem baseless to me. I havent looked into it, but it does seem odd how democrats are wanting to make voting fraud easier. >Has disrespected the military by referring to them as "losers" when visiting a memorial cemetery. What’s the context of this? What happened? Also Biden did the exact same thing, but instead kinda tried to hide it. >The list goes on but the bottom line is that he is unfit for the oval office ever again. Now to what Biden has done: 1. ⁠>Be old and forgets things on occasion 2. ⁠>Not hitting hard enough against the GQP 3. ⁠>Eats too much ice cream? Oh yeah, and 1. Covering up the crimes of his son 2. Allowed Ukrainian war to begin 3. Disallowed drilling on US soil, globally ruining gas prices 4. Demonized the Republican Party, creating an even bigger divide 5. ‘94 crime bill 6. Bro sniffs children’s hair (if we’re gonna make personal attacks) 7. Spent hundreds of billions on Ukraine, despite having been able to prevent the war in the first place 8. Immigration crisis 9. Worst pull out of Afghanistan. Left our allies to die and cost us BILLIONS. 10. Didn’t lift a finger to help the Hawaii fires. There’s a lot more, but it’s 2 am and I gotta get to bed. Good night.

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1 u/MurkyChildhood2571 17 Feb 2024 16:43

:| Listen At least trump could go a full sentence without having a stroke

1 u/NullTupe 17 Feb 2024 17:48

Trump can't go a full sentence without wandering away to some other made up bullshit.

1 u/MonkeyNihilist 15 Feb 2024 18:52

lol, cool story!

1 u/El_Cactus_Fantastico 16 Feb 2024 08:52

Republicans are worse in almost every regard.

1 u/Mysterious-Tie7039 16 Feb 2024 12:55

Meanwhile the GOP is blocking any legislation, including one they’ve been crying about for years (immigration) and actively courting Russia. Yup, definitely bOtH SiDeS.

2 u/magww 17 Feb 2024 16:01

The Russian courting is just the latest and scummiest, I mean these people are the ones who shouted red scare for half century now they’re licking an ex-kgbs taint trying to get handouts.

1 u/Mysterious-Tie7039 17 Feb 2024 16:36

Dems aren’t without their problems, but basically every bit of progress this country has had in the last 16+ years has been at the hand of Democrats.

1 u/Mataelio 16 Feb 2024 13:00

In what way? The booming economy?

10 u/JiminyNoCrickets 15 Feb 2024 15:45

The most offensive thing these days is the truth.

1 u/chomblebrown 17 Feb 2024 14:25

Truth like poetry, and most people fucking hate poetry.

1 u/RealFuggNuckets 19 Feb 2024 22:51

I need to remember this

4 u/The_Arkham_AP_Clerk 15 Feb 2024 18:58

Ah yes, Russia, the most libertarian government on planet earth, where the government controls everything and the government is controlled by one dictator who is a former KGB operative. They haven't had a fair election in decades. Western conservatism is fucked if they see Russia as a beacon of hope/ emulation.

2 u/Linfiltrato 16 Feb 2024 14:40

>Western conservatism is fucked if they see Russia as a beacon of hope/ emulation. It's extremist conservatism working as intended. They want to preserve their old guard and their old way of life. That means no equality, no civil demonstrations, and the demonization of the out groups.

1 u/Similar_Reading_2728 16 Feb 2024 21:08

Ok hear me out: Russia is run by oligarchs. Oligarchs are private individuals flexing their wealth into political power. Political power is just organizing individual humans into a collective bargaining power. Libertarian-ism has no philosophical argument against a private individual doing exactly that. Therefore, Russia is the inevitable result of libertarian politics.

2 u/NullTupe 17 Feb 2024 17:49

This is just factually true. Unfortunately if Libertarians were capable of processing this they wouldn't be libertarians, so here we are.

0 u/PhaeronLanzakyr 18 Feb 2024 20:54

God you're fucking daft. There wasn't even an attempt to be all "muh Russia good", it's just saying that there are more people CURRENTLY fucking you over at home and it's not the Russians doing it. Hell, those assholes in power have used various overseas countries as a boogeyman for the past few decades to secure more power for themselves and fuck the rest of us over.

1 u/RealFuggNuckets 19 Feb 2024 22:56

The meme isn’t praising Russia. It’s more about how threat is the wolf already in the hen house, not the giant bear down the street.

4 u/AleksanderSuave 15 Feb 2024 21:32

FWIW, most libertarians I know, are right leaning when faced with a choice between the two. You suggesting that they should include more conservative candidates in that meme more or less goes against that particular subs stance on socialism. I think a ban is harsh, but you’d similarly get the same treatment in any left-leaning sub if you shared a message against their POV

1 u/Bartender9719 16 Feb 2024 19:57

I’m a lefty and have been banned for disagreeing with a post on a left leaning sub - it happens, crazy people are all over the political spectrum.

1 u/AleksanderSuave 16 Feb 2024 20:22

You sound way too reasonable to be a lefty.

1 u/NullTupe 17 Feb 2024 17:43

I suspect you don't know what socialism or a "lefty" even is.

1 u/AleksanderSuave 17 Feb 2024 17:50

Having been born and raised in a communist country, I suspect that I know a whole lot more about socialism than you do. Be careful not to fall off that high horse though.

1 u/NullTupe * 17 Feb 2024 18:12

You were raised in a Leninist country. Or Maoist. Or, uh... Ho-Chi-Min-ist. You don't know more about these topics than I do. I actually studied them. Read the books, even went to college and learned me some economics. Being born in a nation that calls itself something means precisely nothing. Quit being an arrogant prick. You being born in a nation that called itself communist gives you as much expertise in communism as someone born in the Democratic People's Republic of Korea has in Democracy: none. Now you can make an actual argument on the topic, or you can keep playing identity politics and look like an even bigger tool than you do now.

1 u/AleksanderSuave 17 Feb 2024 18:15

You being born in a country that teaches you to make assumptions, and operate under the principle that you know better than anyone else you're talking to, has done you a lot of favors? Crazy how low the average test scores are here in the states. Imagine having this much freedom and access to education, and squandering it under the belief that you already know everything.

1 u/CryMoreNeckbeard 17 Feb 2024 21:07

I’m not who you replied to but you started this conversation as an “arrogant prick” lmao.

3 u/No-Skirt-1430 17 Feb 2024 23:53

Agree with libertarians aligning closer to the right; makes sense to villainize the lefties a bit more. AT LEAST there were folks of both parties represented. For a reddit post, I think that’s presenting quite unbiased. OP’s remarks came off whining and obnoxious; I’d understand why a mod who’s just had enough would just push the ‘shush’ button on him. Not great, but … understandable.

1 u/Surfing-millennial 19 Feb 2024 09:41

Facts, pointing out that Bush shouldn’t be the only Republican on there is a lot more agreeable versus coming out with “your conservativism is showing” like that isn’t guaranteed to get you labeled as “that guy”

3 u/Oksamis 15 Feb 2024 16:19

I disagree with your comment, but you’re right that you didn’t deserve to be banned…

3 u/DroneSlut54 15 Feb 2024 18:55

Modern libertarians are just Republicans with bongs.

3 u/Necessary_Can_234 15 Feb 2024 21:08

This is why people mistake libertarians as conservatives

2 u/El_Cactus_Fantastico 16 Feb 2024 08:56

Because in the U.S. they typically are just conservatives.

1 u/No_Refrigerator1115 17 Feb 2024 06:19

Libratarian often hold the same view as a conservatives from a personal belief system point of view but don’t believe your private behavior is any of their or the governement’s buisness from a legal point of view If you ask me my opinion on gay marriage I’ll ask you a question in return Are you asking what my personal opinion of it ? Or are you asking me if it’s any of mine or the governement business how you and your partner define marriage ? Because if you’re asking the first question my answer is “why do you care what my opinion is. “ And if your asking the 2nd question is the answer is “no it’s none of the governement business”

1 u/NullTupe 17 Feb 2024 17:50

That's a weirdly defensive way to answer the question of "are you a POS or not".

1 u/No_Refrigerator1115 17 Feb 2024 17:59

Well I’d be nice about it but I’d just encourage them to that I’m not coming after their rights regardless to if I disagree with them or not. My views arnt really relevant

1 u/NullTupe 17 Feb 2024 18:08

That just sounds like you oppose gay or interracial marriage but don't want to be criticized for having awful beliefs.

1 u/No_Refrigerator1115 17 Feb 2024 18:39

Okay but now your making assumptions :) I AM a Christian and idk why the standard God has for me is what it is but I choose to trust it. However! Why would I hold you to the same standard ? You really have no reason to share my conviction on the issue. So it does not bother me that your opinion does not mirror mine I know that yours is coming from a place of love and acceptance. Also I am not sure why anyone would care in the slightest about interracial marriage. There’s no religion that I know of at least that has any opinion of its

1 u/NullTupe 17 Feb 2024 19:00

That's cute and all, but your beliefs are abhorrent. Deflecting your responsibility for those beliefs to your holy book is already cowardly, but you belief that book defines what is good and evil, what is moral and immoral. You believe gay marriage is something GOD HIMSELF is against. You believe horrible things. Just own that shit in the future and save everyone the time. Hiding your horrible beliefs doesn't make you a better person. Or, you know, you could have better morals than the book that defends beating your slaves and selling your daughter into sex slavery. But I won't hold my breath.

1 u/No_Refrigerator1115 17 Feb 2024 19:21

Alrighty then :) have a good one man

1 u/M3CC4Z11 18 Feb 2024 04:36

That is not an awful belief 😂 u smoking crack?

1 u/NullTupe 18 Feb 2024 09:31

It is, actually.

3 u/Melodius_RL 15 Feb 2024 21:09

Most right-leaning subreddits have been co-opted by bad faith authoritarian apologists or sometimes state-sponsored workers.

1 u/CapitalSubstance7310 17 Feb 2024 17:50

The libertarian sub has been taken by feds

2 u/TowelFine6933 † 15 Feb 2024 14:58

Their response is modspeak for "You're absolutely correct, but we don't have the capacity to admit when we are wrong."

2 u/allMightyGINGER [OP] 15 Feb 2024 15:15

Exactly what I thought, I'm hoping this sub is significantly more open and free. Although I am a little concerned that it might be more of an Echo chamber, I think the debate between libertarians is important.

1 u/myfingid 15 Feb 2024 15:45

They don't want debate. The social right Mises Mods took over and they're trying to purge libertarians from the subreddit. They want to promote their brand of social right bullshit as though it's libertarian and don't want people like us calling out their bullshit and making their Trump supporting social conservative friend feel bad. Its unfortunate but social conservatives have been trying to pass themselves off as libertarian for some time. I knew the Mises Caucus was bad, and that the take over was going to be destructive, but I guess I wasn't expecting them to get to the point of expelling libertarians. It makes sense though, they are social conservatives after all. I'm curious how much of this will happen at the Party level. Hopefully it doesn't get further than Reddit but, social conservatives tend to be complete assholes, proudly so, so who knows.

2 u/WonderfulHat5297 15 Feb 2024 15:12

As you will learn to find Reddit is full of deluded weirdos in their ‘eco chambers’ as people say. I wouldn’t worry about it too much

1 u/Worried-Pick4848 16 Feb 2024 18:10

echo chambers. Except for the climate alarmists, they have eco chambers.

1 u/WonderfulHat5297 16 Feb 2024 18:35

Oh haha i just realised that typo

1 u/Bartender9719 16 Feb 2024 19:59

As someone alarmed by the climate, “eco chambers” is hilarious - using that one.

2 u/OldPod73 15 Feb 2024 15:32

The Conservative SubReddit is full of whiny snowflakes. More like Democrats than actual Republicans.

1 u/requiemoftherational 15 Feb 2024 16:42

conservative or conservatives? I was banned from the later for stating I want Trump to go away so things will normalize again.

1 u/Bartender9719 16 Feb 2024 20:03

I think that’s just how people are in general - my conservative dad complains about sensitive libs, but was red faced over KC (and by his logic, TSwift) winning the Super Bowl - the man *hates* San Fran.

2 u/Zealousideal_Knee_63 15 Feb 2024 16:12

He's not wrong. Those are ALL left wing nuts.

2 u/SnooPredictions3028 16 Feb 2024 02:17

Nah, they're authoritarian nuts

2 u/ceaselessDawn 16 Feb 2024 07:04

Bush... Is a left wing nut? Dios mio...

1 u/El_Cactus_Fantastico 16 Feb 2024 08:54

None of them are left wing.

1 u/Unknown-History1299 18 Feb 2024 00:18

What exactly makes you think Biden is left wing?

2 u/errorryy 15 Feb 2024 16:39

Democrats ARE conservatives today. We used to hate Republicans for being pro-war, pro-censorship, pro-CIA corporatists--Democrats are all those things now. No left allowed in the US.

2 u/El_Cactus_Fantastico 16 Feb 2024 08:55

Democrats have been right wing since the 90s in response to Reaganism.

1 u/Linfiltrato 16 Feb 2024 14:41

None of those things are hallmarks of conservatism.

1 u/Unknown-History1299 18 Feb 2024 00:15

It seems like Republicans are still far more interested in censorship than Democrats. I’ve only seen republicans talk about banning books. I’ve only seen republicans talk about being against teaching children critical thinking skills. I’ve only seen Republicans complain about evolution being taught in schools. It’s the Republican who have a problem with the existence of gay people.

1 u/errorryy 18 Feb 2024 00:22

Well, ok. In education. But education in the US is unsalvagable in any case. Bush's No Child Left Behind -'I graded tests for that shit and I was deeply demoralized ny the industry, something on the level of factory farming on several levels. Democrats and establishment folk run the disinformation industry. Dems love the CIA these days, love CIA nazi controlled Ukraine ("Slava Ukraini" was recognized hate speech before the CIA backed coup which wasnt all nazis but they then killed w CIA backed impugnity.) Hunter Biden's laptop was real, and real incriminating for Joe. Covid misinformation was enforced. Twitter files---sure conservatives do it too but I feel people claiming lefthood should do better.

1 u/gurk_the_magnificent 19 Feb 2024 10:07

Watching someone complain about disinformation and then bring up Hunter Biden’s laptop 😂

1 u/errorryy 18 Feb 2024 01:25

Fresh from today's actual journalism: https://open.substack.com/pub/taibbi/p/state-department-threatens-congress?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android&r=6jkz7

1 u/RealFuggNuckets 19 Feb 2024 23:03

Mainstream Democrats have always supported that in power, just not in rhetoric. RFK Sr might’ve represented the old school liberal spirit but in practice the mainstream was always somebody like LBJ who put us in a war, Truman who created the CIA, and others who strengthen the authority and power of the government. And most of Bush’s big brother and pro war policies had bipartisan support. The difference is today they no longer use the rhetoric unless they’re trying to paint opposition as bad.

1 u/errorryy 20 Feb 2024 02:35

I was actually offered the shadow helm of a Dem congressional campaign, but the guy was a libertarian. The only appeal dems had was peace and pro-worker stances, they dont do that anymore. The system is captured and losing legitimacy in the minds of the citizen. The human organism is not allowed to perceive its environment, and its failing.

2 u/molotok_c_518 15 Feb 2024 17:14

r/"libertarian" hasn't been libertarian since the mod revolt dethroned the original head mod several years ago

2 u/banghi 15 Feb 2024 17:37

We're you new to the sub? It's been taken over by Mises Caucus cucks for over a year now.

2 u/DudeyToreador 15 Feb 2024 18:03

Oh, the conservative safe space known as r/ libertarian!? I can't believe it! /s The place is one of the biggest examples of libertarian-to-far right pipeline to date, but ironically they are in line with every other experience I have had with a self proclaimed libertarian.

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1 u/anarchoblake 17 Feb 2024 11:50

Yeah libertarians haven't been looking libertarian in almost a decade. If a libertarian understands anything they become an anarchist

2 u/ValidDuck 15 Feb 2024 18:21

> I consider myself a libertarian If anyone ever tells you this just accept that they are conservative: They care about self interested and couldn't give a fuck if someone else needs help. They oppose taxes. They will tell you like equality and social programs, but they don't want the government telling them what to do and they don't want to pay to fund the social programs. They want to drive environmentally destructive vehicles on public roads and they are unwilling to pay to do either. At least when some says: "I'm a conservative". They have SOME integrity and will tell you where they stand. They won't pretend to be some enlightened middle of the road path to great compromise with the solution to all of the problems. I'd rather interact with a trumper ANY DAY than a self described libertarian.

1 u/Danielsuperusa 16 Feb 2024 10:54

You just struck fear into every crow's heart in a 50-mile radius with this gigantic strawman.

2 u/CatOfGrey 15 Feb 2024 20:26

That subreddit has an interesting history. At least twice, the moderation team has been completely nuked and replaced, both with direct action by Reddit. Last time I went down that rabbit hole, I found them to be a somewhat diluted version of Republicans or Conservatives, or maybe Trumpers. This has been echoed in the Libertarian Party, which is why I'm reconsidering voting for that party. I was banned from that sub because of a comment discussing how RFK Jr is a corrupt slimeball who is making millions off donations to his anti-vaccine organization, in exchange for promoting incorrect health information that cost tens of thousands of lives during the covid era, and is almost single-handedly bringing measles back as a danger to the world.

1 u/CognitivDecline 15 Feb 2024 21:20

I wish reddit would nuke the /politics mods instead

2 u/RelevantTrash9745 15 Feb 2024 22:18

Most reddit mods just want echo chambers. Look at every sub. The rules are a sham to justify their personal vendettas.

1 u/CapitalSubstance7310 17 Feb 2024 17:51

Because Reddit by design is one

2 u/ItsYaBoiDez 16 Feb 2024 07:07

Is that a...*puts on glasses* real libertarian? The scrolls told they were but a legend.

2 u/Horror_Bed_7080 17 Feb 2024 01:13

I like to call them the alt-libertarians. They are indistinguishable from the new wave alt-right Qanon Trumpers because they are without a doubt one and the same.

1 u/CapitalSubstance7310 17 Feb 2024 17:51

Call them Fake-lolberts

2 u/wgm4444 18 Feb 2024 00:05

I'm actually relieved when I see a mod deleting posts on Reddit. Because at least that means they're not out there doing pedophilia.

1 u/allMightyGINGER [OP] 18 Feb 2024 00:16

That's the Reddit admins but that cracked me up nonetheless

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1 u/JumpTheCreek † 15 Feb 2024 15:09

That sub is an undercover MAGA cave so no shock there. Really makes actual libertarians look stupid

2 u/DblThrowDown 15 Feb 2024 15:29

Huh??

1 u/DblThrowDown 15 Feb 2024 15:28

Haha they got mad at facts again.

1 u/TruettLane 15 Feb 2024 15:48

I think your comment about the lack of republicans in the meme was unnecessary as they do have 2 and it doesn’t have to be 1 for 1 every time. Especially because there are multiple memes/posts in that sub calling out the republicans as well. However, I think it’s super fucked up that they banned you. What’s the point of having an app like this if you can’t disagree and talk about it? Btw: I’m in the Mises Caucus

1 u/GOYAADi 15 Feb 2024 18:45

Bush, Cheney, and Romney (3)

2 u/allMightyGINGER [OP] 15 Feb 2024 22:12

Is Cheney really a Republican? She definitely was a Republican but I'm pretty sure, she'd be considered a Democrat, maybe even bush with how far right the Republicans have gone. Joke aside, it really does seem like they skipped the three most authoritarian republicans and through the more libertarian Republicans on it, hence my comment. Because it was banned for it. It seems like it's an authoritarian sub and not a libertarian sub. Because no libertarian should have an issue with my statement maybe and how I delivered it but not the message inside of it.

1 u/GOYAADi 15 Feb 2024 22:33

I feel the same about Mitt too. As far as the ban it was probably going straight to the Trump/RJ stuff usually indicative of a dem troll. I’ve been banned from so many subs at this point, take it as a badge of honor my friend.

1 u/talancaine 15 Feb 2024 16:34

Both can be the enemy, it just happens that one is currently being more belligerent.

1 u/SpicyFilet * 15 Feb 2024 16:36

Those losers over there are just Republicans who like to smoke weed. They're pathetic.

1 u/cappytan-exjw 15 Feb 2024 16:48

The claim you made isn't a libertarian one. First off, I saw this meme in the wild back in 2017, before Ron Desantis became governor of Florida. I'm fairly certain it was NOT made by a libertarian, but it does appeal to the libertarian idea that both major parties are the enemy of the people. Also, I have rarely come across a libertarian that doesn't understand the difference between government censorship and private moderation of an internet forum. One of those things is anti-libertarian. The other is the very essence of libertarianism.

1 u/allMightyGINGER [OP] 15 Feb 2024 17:22

It absolutely is, you must be using a definite definition if you don't believe so. It was soft criticism and it doesn't change. The fact that the people I listed are enemies of libertarianism. I could have also made the argument that Russia is also an enemy of libertarianism. Considering they don't have that in their country. There is no freedom in Russia. You go to jail for disagreeing with your government. But I chose to go the soft criticism. I'm not making the argument that they can't ban me they absolutely can. I'm making the argument that it's a ridiculous ban. It doesn't violate the posted rules, no reason was given and I was muted for asking them to why when it specifically says to message the mods about it. The libertarian subreddit used to be a great place for left learning libertarians and right-leaning libertarians to debate. If the mods disagree with you, they will now ban you. That means the mods are authoritarian in nature, anyone that is authoritarian in nature should not be moderating a libertarian subreddit.

1 u/Corrupted_G_nome 15 Feb 2024 17:22

Right wing freedom of speech at its finest. Libertarians outside the US are left wing for a reason...

1 u/CapitalSubstance7310 17 Feb 2024 17:54

I think the left-right wing political compass is stupid. [this one is pretty good though.](https://www.theadvocates.org/quiz/) I’m a libertarian as in free speech, free markets, deregulation, small government.

1 u/Corrupted_G_nome 17 Feb 2024 19:06

Right so conservative censorship going back centuries, religious law and strongman authoritarian rule you are against correct? Right wing is for monarchists, theocrats and Military Juntas... At least by the classical definition that the rest of the world uses.

1 u/CapitalSubstance7310 17 Feb 2024 19:08

Yeah fuck that. Also strongly against socialism

1 u/Corrupted_G_nome 17 Feb 2024 19:10

Sure thing, im very into democracy as it seems to be the only fair way to organize large groups of people. Dispered power as far as possible, as you said, smaller government, bigger individuals.

1 u/CapitalSubstance7310 17 Feb 2024 19:11

Sure. I have some small problems with Democracy. But I would take it over a one man dictatorship or an oligarchy.

1 u/Corrupted_G_nome 17 Feb 2024 19:16

There is also 'democracy as is' and 'more representative democracies' lots of room for improvement imo. Still might run away to live in the woods and build a log cabin tho.

1 u/CapitalSubstance7310 17 Feb 2024 19:18

That’s fine. I think the government should just be restricted in what it can do, even with democracy I’m fine with police, Public education, roads, etc but have issues with government control of the economy

1 u/Corrupted_G_nome 17 Feb 2024 19:24

Yeah, there should always be che ks and balances and governments that misbehave should be taken to court. Im sorta mid on that. The wealth of nations was a popular read during the Irish famine. The free market never corrected and it did take significant investment to get their economy back to a healthy state. Without government subsidies and contracts it would have been impossible to go to the moon or procure military hardware and food prices would skyrocket. A lot of capitalistic development is due to tax exemptions, loopholes, subsidies and grants. No to mention bailouts when banks fail. Sometimes its good, sometimes its bad. Like most things some healthy moderation and strong criticism and opposition is a good thing. We should be questioning what they do and why and they should certainly be held to account.

1 u/SlightlyOffended1984 15 Feb 2024 18:04

Based sub

1 u/welltechnically7 15 Feb 2024 18:12

Doesn't it make sense that Democrats would be viewed more negatively than Republicans overall? Generally, Democrats are more in favor of big government than Republicans (generally), so those would be the biggest threats to a libertarian ideal.

1 u/ValidDuck 15 Feb 2024 18:25

> so those would be the biggest threats to a libertarian ideal. The biggest threat to libertarian ideals is reality.... Their "solutions", the few that they offer, don't work in the real world.

1 u/Calm-down-its-a-joke 15 Feb 2024 18:13

I mean the post isn't wrong it just needs more faces

1 u/allMightyGINGER [OP] 15 Feb 2024 18:15

Which is what my comment said and I got banned.

1 u/Wonderful-Mistake201 15 Feb 2024 18:29

doing what you want with your own property is peak libertarian. sorry you got banned by people doing what they want with their own property

1 u/DrPhunktacular 15 Feb 2024 19:43

If what I want to do with my own property is interfere with what you want to do with yours, is that still peak libertarian?

1 u/Wonderful-Mistake201 15 Feb 2024 20:25

no, because it violates the Non-Aggression Principle. glad to clear that up for you.

1 u/sequoyah_man 15 Feb 2024 18:33

It's not hypocritical, maybe look up what Libertarian means. It has nothing to do with banning trolls from their subreddit.

2 u/DrPhunktacular 15 Feb 2024 19:41

I’m sure you’re aware, but “libertarian” is defined in any number of places and ways, and covers the gamut from “someone who believes in individual freedom generally” to “anarcho-capitalists who violently oppose all forms of taxation,” and depending on who you ask can also mean “social conservatives who want to smoke weed and repeal age of consent laws.” So which definition are you referencing?

1 u/sequoyah_man 15 Feb 2024 19:45

No definition says they have to allow someone to antagonize them on reddit.

2 u/DrPhunktacular 15 Feb 2024 20:38

That’s not really a definition, but sure.

1 u/MonkeyNihilist 15 Feb 2024 18:50

That’s because libertarians are all conservatives. Why are you surprised?

1 u/allMightyGINGER [OP] 15 Feb 2024 19:32

I'm a libertarian and I'm not conservative

1 u/DrPhunktacular 15 Feb 2024 19:34

I think we often fail to define these terms and end up talking past each other. What do you see as the main distinctions between libertarian and conservative ideologies?

1 u/allMightyGINGER [OP] 15 Feb 2024 19:52

Libertarian is the advocation of government staying out of people's personal lives whenever possible. Respecting one's personal privacy and liberties and fighting for the liberties of others even if you disagree with them. My view on lawmaking is that laws should only be passed when strong evidence supports them being necessary or a requirement for a functional society. An example is the banning of drugs is not based on evidence, in fact, evidence would support the banning things that create a contraband market. Only gives money to criminals and encourages the rise of gangs(prohibition era). Were legalization with proper regulation and education encourages a free market society and a healthier society at that. Conservatism is supposed to be similar, but because this post is about America, we'll talk about American conservatism. American conservatism is all about the "traditional" values that they hold. Normally this includes strong police force, strong military, strong border, harsher punishment for crimes, community driven social programs instead of state or federal. It does get a little confusing when they talk about small government because they also want a lot of government regulation in people's lives like banning of gay marriage, banning of drugs, Book bans, etc. and a weird obsession with liking big business (removing regulation ) Conservatism in different places of the world means vastly different things for example, in Canada, the social issues of conservatism in the states don't exist there nearly to the same extent. They are much more in line with the traditional definition of conservatism. Small government low taxes, Business oriented, regulation only one needed, strong defense, standardized education, socialized health care, etc The real difference I believe is conservatism is the type of policy you would like to see, where libertarianism is how much regulation you would like to see with authoritarianism being the opposite of libertarianism. American conservatism is much more Authoritarianism based where Canadian conservatism is much more libertarian based

1 u/MonkeyNihilist 15 Feb 2024 20:13

Same difference.

1 u/allMightyGINGER [OP] 15 Feb 2024 20:17

There's almost nothing I have in common with American conservative, Canadian conservatives a lot more. Unfortunately, there's no liberal parties that don't like to make bullshit laws, so I don't agree with them very much either. But I do with agree with their sentiment a lot more. So no it's not the same difference

1 u/ZeroSumSatoshi 15 Feb 2024 19:10

I agree with this picture. 100%.

1 u/ExMente 15 Feb 2024 19:49

>Why is it mostly Democrats? Your conservatism is showing. Put Trump Ron and Johnson on here and this would be a little bit more accurate While I don't think you should have been banned for that, saying something like that_is_ pretty rich considering that the Democrats are the ones in charge right now, and that the Democrats have been in power for longer during the past twenty years. Imagine a meme like this in 2004, except with only two or three Democrats and six Republicans (Condoleeza Rice, Dick Cheney, Rumsfeld, John McCain, G.H.W. Bush and of course Dubya). Now imagine some guy on a Libertarian forum piping up with "nonono, your liberal bias is showing!". Of course he'd come across as a bad faith actor.

1 u/Substantial_Heart317 15 Feb 2024 20:01

Liz Cheney was more libertarian that anybody!

1 u/allMightyGINGER [OP] 15 Feb 2024 20:08

I was going to say that but I figured they get even more mad. I don't know where policy that well, but she's definitely more libertarian than anyone else on that list

1 u/Substantial_Heart317 15 Feb 2024 20:12

Than the Sub. Never confuse Conservatism with Libertarianism.

1 u/HTB-42 15 Feb 2024 20:07

You needed to have declared the exact “correct” number of enemies to achieve ideological conformity. Sorry, maybe next time…

1 u/allMightyGINGER [OP] 15 Feb 2024 20:11

Well, I think it's important to have some of the biggest offenders. Liz Cheney compared to Mike Johnson, Donald Trump, and Ron DeSantis is more libertarian than any of those three even if I disagree with her politics personally.

2 u/HTB-42 15 Feb 2024 22:04

You didn’t mention any of the people I had in my mind… you’re banned!

1 u/allMightyGINGER [OP] 15 Feb 2024 22:17

What are they even moderate a subreddit? They should just have a blog on the internet where they yelling to the void

1 u/CognitivDecline 15 Feb 2024 21:16

Been that way for a while. Half the people there think a massive welfare state is libertarian

1 u/TotalFroyo 15 Feb 2024 21:51

Throws a neocon in there to seem balanced because neoconservativism isn't the popular conservatism right now.

1 u/Zexks 15 Feb 2024 22:20

r/leapordatemyface

1 u/Four-Triangles 15 Feb 2024 22:30

I’m banned from r/linertarianmemes for gods sake. Those people are just as fragile and selfish as anyone else.

1 u/wrknlrk 15 Feb 2024 23:07

I mean there are republicans in this picture.

1 u/IronFlag719 15 Feb 2024 23:31

Got mad over being banned for some whataboutism

1 u/cargocult25 15 Feb 2024 23:39

Ah another teenage boy discovers libertarianism is an attempt to not get lumped in with the religious zealots while endorsing all their positions.

1 u/TheOtherJohnWayne 15 Feb 2024 23:45

Let's be fair, 98% of republican problem children can just be told "shut the fuck up" and they go back to being little lap dogs. When they swing back into (though some are already starting to) "muh dubyah umm dees" upon taking power again, then they can be more firmly kicked where there balls once were back in 1978 at the ripe young conservative age of 63 before they got stowed away in their wives' purses. But most lolberts are as much libertarians these days as the fascists that call themselves liberals or the conservatives who've only managed to protect their losing streak, so fuck'em.

1 u/Important_Employ_309 15 Feb 2024 23:50

Libertarian sub redreddit got overrun with crazed leftist mods and libertarians dropped it.

1 u/Flimsy_Star816 16 Feb 2024 02:05

What!? Libertarians are just covert republicans color me shocked!!

1 u/PrincessPlusUltra 16 Feb 2024 02:09

At least one more individual person realizes libertarians are conservatives because something personally happened to them.

1 u/SnooPredictions3028 16 Feb 2024 02:14

Ah yes the two most famous democrats, George Bush Jr. and Mitt Romney.

1 u/Meddling-Kat 16 Feb 2024 02:16

That's some pissy little bitches.

1 u/stone1890 16 Feb 2024 02:38

Not that deep since Reddt is full of liberals

1 u/DoeCommaJohn 16 Feb 2024 03:01

Notice that the only Republicans are Trump’s enemies? Specifically Romney who tried to curtail Trump’s authoritarianism? This is just hipster conservatism

1 u/RingWraith8 16 Feb 2024 03:06

Your first mistake is assuming that anyone on reddit is rational or social media for that matter lol

1 u/notrandomonlyrandom 16 Feb 2024 03:11

No good reason for a ban, but you still made a shit comment.

1 u/DearKick 16 Feb 2024 03:58

R/libertarian is in no way shape or form libertarian anymore. At best they are just more obscure far right fringe leaning folks.

1 u/YouEscalate 16 Feb 2024 04:40

You’re actually retarded, hence why you got banned

1 u/Background-Action-19 16 Feb 2024 04:45

Free speech warriors only care about free speech that is convenient for them.

1 u/ChaosRainbow23 16 Feb 2024 04:46

R/libertarian is a right-wing circle jerk that bans anyone with a remotely progressive opinion. Most libertarians nowadays are just conservatives that don't like the label.

1 u/Emergency-Shift-4029 16 Feb 2024 04:58

Why can't it be both? Politicians are have clearly shown themselves to be enemies of the people.

1 u/keonyn 16 Feb 2024 05:06

How very Libertarian of them, to ban and silence their critics. Their own actions show they're not even Libertarians, but simply using it as a mask for their nonsense. As if being Libertarian wasn't bad enough, but to be so awful using it as a mask to make you look less awful is truly something.

1 u/Solelegendary62 16 Feb 2024 05:19

Fun fact: If the subreddit was made by an American Libertarian, they’re most likely a right leaning libertarian rather than a classical libertarian.

1 u/Independent_Fox2565 16 Feb 2024 05:19

Lol, libertarians don’t exist in the us.

1 u/EngrWithNoBrain 16 Feb 2024 06:03

You forgot that Libertarianism was taken over by conservatives who thought the Republican party wasn't conservative enough. Von Mises Caucus for the L.

1 u/5shad 16 Feb 2024 06:27

Time to create another sub that actually knows what Libertarianism is.

1 u/allMightyGINGER [OP] 16 Feb 2024 14:56

Right. I think traditional libertarians need a home

1 u/CapitalSubstance7310 17 Feb 2024 17:55

r/DontStepOnSnake

1 u/alpha_moron 16 Feb 2024 07:29

You were banned for being stupid

1 u/FrogLock_ 16 Feb 2024 08:21

Don't get too attached to any sub especially political ones the people who want to be mods don't often want it for any good reason

1 u/El_Cactus_Fantastico 16 Feb 2024 08:52

Libertarians actually don’t care about anything except lowering their taxes so they are exactly in line with conservatives.

1 u/Comprehensive-Ad4815 16 Feb 2024 10:49

Libertarians are not Republicans because they want to get laid and being a red hat is a HUGE Turn off for 95% of woman

1 u/LordXenu12 16 Feb 2024 11:09

They banned me for dissidence

1 u/FreakyWifeFreakyLife 16 Feb 2024 12:22

Yeah I agree libertarian didn't used to mean hard right. I was one decades ago, but like Republicans before them, the party left me. Now I don't truly fit anywhere.

1 u/OGmcqueen 16 Feb 2024 12:22

It’s a shame, the sub used to be so good..

1 u/MrBroDudeMann 16 Feb 2024 12:45

Don't go to political subs, they're all full of brainrot and radicals. They're echo chambers.

1 u/andycambridge 16 Feb 2024 12:47

Your mistake was thinking libertarians would ever be mods.

1 u/CapitalSubstance7310 17 Feb 2024 17:56

~~80% of the Reddit tos should be abolished~~

1 u/PersonalPineapple911 * 16 Feb 2024 12:48

Libertarians don't blame the guy that was in politics for 4 years on all the countries problems as much as they blame career politicians. Libertarians love private business owners like Trump. Maybe if you understood the basic principles of being a Libertarian you would understand why they don't like democrats.

1 u/allMightyGINGER [OP] 16 Feb 2024 14:55

You say that as if I'm not a libertarian. But a few comments that describe exactly how I view the world and anyone reading it. It's clear that I'm a classical libertarian. Definitely not an American libertarian because it seems like they don't believe in liberty

1 u/PersonalPineapple911 16 Feb 2024 17:33

Tbf, libertarians on reddit aren't real libertarians. Basically all the fringe ppl on both sides are completely removed from reality. Me as a MAGA can admit many things about my side that I hate. I can't stand Israel being America's daddy but GOP just loves it. I also believe states should be allowed to decide abortion and border issues on their own seeing as how states and municipalities ignored immigration law for decades to make sanctuaries, turnabout is fair play.

1 u/ouroboro76 16 Feb 2024 13:11

Libertarians are much more worried about businesses being able to do whatever they want than people being able to do whatever they want. Yeah, all the rules against gay people are annoying and not with libertarian ideology, but what they *really* care about is businesses being able to pollute as much as they want without regard for people's lives (who cares if that's their drinking water, there's money to be made), pay workers as little as they want (even though if it wasn't for the social safety net like welfare and food stamps, people would stop shopping at Walmart and McDonald's when half the workers there are malnourished, homeless, and haven't showered in days), and act with utter disregard for the safety of their employees (three people died last week, but our profits are higher than ever). That describes the Republican Party to a tee. I know you're thinking about the anti-libertarian policies the Republican Party espouses, but that's basically just to keep the votes of the Christian nationalists (and stay in power). If that shit wasn't necessary to stay in power, there'd be a lot less of it happening. And that's why you're banned from that sub for all eternity with no appeal.

1 u/quigonjoe66 16 Feb 2024 13:50

Your version of libertarianism is anti American and a tool for our enemies

1 u/Ok-Story-9319 16 Feb 2024 14:00

Makes me actually sick, as a libertarian, fuck r/libertarians in the fucking teeth. Hypocritical trash.

1 u/allMightyGINGER [OP] 16 Feb 2024 14:52

Do you have any subreddits that you would recommend?

1 u/Ok-Story-9319 16 Feb 2024 14:57

Nah, most political subs are garbage and full of hypocritical censorship. But that’s politics, baby

1 u/rogerrogerixii 16 Feb 2024 14:26

My friend, by suggesting Trump, Ron DeSantis and Mike Johnson of all people (on a libertarian sub), you come off as a troll, and they do a quick dump of trolls.

1 u/allMightyGINGER [OP] 16 Feb 2024 14:52

There's no way that should come across as a troll because it's true. They're anti-libertarian. I guess I mistakened that subreddit for a true libertarian subreddit

2 u/rogerrogerixii 16 Feb 2024 16:18

There’s a big difference between anti-libertarian and non-libertarian, and even then there’s a gradient scale. Saying any of those three are anti-libertarian is wild. Trumps the only one who flirts with that line on a fiscal level.

1 u/allMightyGINGER [OP] 16 Feb 2024 21:40

You're right, I misspoke there. There's definitely a gradient. And Trump flirting the line is what made me use that choice of words. But you're absolutely correct. Johnson is more so non-libertarian and Ron is somewhere between the two

1 u/Deltron42O 16 Feb 2024 14:50

Dems are metaphorically drowning. They need someone to throw them a life preserver lmao

1 u/Safe2BeFree 16 Feb 2024 14:59

That sub used to have moderators who didn't remove comments and just let things go in support of the idea of free speech. A few years ago the Reddit admins told them to start policing comments or be removed as mods. They refused and were replaced with mods that the admins picked. That's why there's so much censorship there now.

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1 u/sensibl3chuckle 16 Feb 2024 15:45

There are an uneven number of grid slots so it is impossible to not have a majority, given a two party division.

1 u/allMightyGINGER [OP] 16 Feb 2024 16:13

I wasn't even asking for even division, I was pointing out how the libertarian threats to the country. To say that Liz Cheney and Barack Obama are currently more of a threat than Donald Trump. Ron DeSantis and Mike Johnson is delusional. Barack Obama has no power barely has any influence The people I listed all have extremely authoritarian stances and are very vocal about it. I do not need to list out all the things that they say that is authoritarian because the people that will deny it can't be convinced anyways is there not libertarians and they don't live in a fact-based world. They are the real threats to Western democracy but specifically libertarianism. The posting that Putin's not a threat is also hilarious given the timing of everything, especially today. Our enemy is in Russia, they are in China they are in North Korea, and Iran. The government doesn't need to do anything about it as long as they stay in their countries and don't attack our allies. Oh shit! They're not doing that so they're active enemies and they have to be addressed. I also want to point out I'm specifically not defending people like Hillary Clinton in the others that are on the list. They do belong on that list but again the three I mentioned I think rank one, two and three.

1 u/Lionheart1224 16 Feb 2024 15:51

Most right wing Libertarians I have met are either actual honest to God ancaps, or just fascists who want to use a different label so they don't get clocked as a fascist. Those who *actually* believe in a more Libertarian political viewpoint I find are few and far in-between.

1 u/allMightyGINGER [OP] 16 Feb 2024 16:06

Yep, some libertarians I know don't even think I'm a libertarian because I will support additional legislation as long as it is fact-based and just It's justified in having a functional society (like drunk driving). If the government ever decided to tackle price gouging and absorbent corporate profits, depending on how the laws were written, I could be in support of that as I see my taxes going through the roof when my generation retires with low homeownership and abysmal savings and with the insane amount of price gouging from corporate companies.

1 u/OutAndProud99 16 Feb 2024 15:56

I hate the large influx of "Libertarians" that just don't want to be yelled at for supporting Trump.

1 u/Ok-Difference-9031 16 Feb 2024 16:01

Spot on

1 u/UtahBrian 16 Feb 2024 16:13

All reddits are run by woke lefties, including r/conservative and r/libertarian.

1 u/ImOverIt65 16 Feb 2024 16:36

Because Democrats are 100% for more government, while only some Republicans are

1 u/SidiousOxide 16 Feb 2024 17:13

Can you edit a comment on a subreddit you've been banned from?

1 u/dontforgethyphen 16 Feb 2024 17:23

That's because libertarians are just conservatives who are to afraid to admit it

1 u/cutesnugglybear 16 Feb 2024 17:32

I got kicked from a libertarian page for answering a question but not in the way they wanted me to answer it

1 u/Technical_Ad7620 16 Feb 2024 17:57

“I didn’t even disagree” see that was your first mistake. Never back down in the face of these Marxist modders.

1 u/Bartender9719 16 Feb 2024 19:38

As many criticisms of libertarians as I could offer, OP seems like a sincere one (not just a closeted con. that wants to smoke weed). I have empathy for them - there are some crazed, radical mods in some subs I’ve frequented before, and they’ll mute/block anyone who criticizes their isolated, polarizing views.

1 u/ElboDelbo 16 Feb 2024 20:08

r/libertarian is a microcosm of why libertarianism doesn't actually work

1 u/Bartender9719 16 Feb 2024 20:16

The number of people that are reading this post and commenting something to the effect of “yeah cuz reddits liberal” is very telling - have whatever views you want, but this has the same energy as someone describing everything they don’t like as “Socialism!” - read a book, damn (and the post).

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1 u/T3hi84n2g 16 Feb 2024 20:41

Libertarian 95% of the time just means 'conservative but im such a snowflake that I need you to know im DIFFERENT' when at the end of the day youre saying 'fuck you, i got mine' and ignoring all the systemic reasons that you got yours in the first place.

1 u/xigloox 16 Feb 2024 20:54

What limp dick reddit shit is this "Plz unban me." Jeezus

1 u/LateAdministration68 16 Feb 2024 21:09

Looks good the way it is.

1 u/IDCRussia191919 16 Feb 2024 21:45

Wait not that censorship >:(

1 u/PlatasaurusOG 16 Feb 2024 23:27

This is why people say Libertarians are just republicans without a stock portfolio.

1 u/rextiberius 17 Feb 2024 00:36

Libertarianism is just right wing fantasy. Even the name is stolen

1 u/Notofthiscountry 17 Feb 2024 00:40

To be fair and consistent: I do not see enough LGBTQ, people of color, Asians, young people, new politicians and other groups represented.

1 u/allMightyGINGER [OP] 17 Feb 2024 01:36

Thats a straw man argument, those are not political parties and you know it, your ignorance is showing. No one is going to feed you, ya troll. Go home.

1 u/Notofthiscountry 17 Feb 2024 01:54

Straw man…. Perhaps I was not the first to miss the point. While I agree that both dems and pubs (and even libertarians) are equally guilty, both Trump and Desantis each have a key difference that sets them apart from the rest of the people on this list. Desantis is a governor and Trump is not a lifelong politician. If we list 3 more conservatives, who should be removed?

1 u/allMightyGINGER [OP] 17 Feb 2024 05:28

The only person I would remove is Liz the rest probably belong to some degree. But Ron and definitely Trump belong at the top they are definitely enemies of democracy and specifically libertarians. From their policies to their rhetoric, they are against the libertarian way of life. I'm not going to defend the alt left because in my eyes they are almost as bad as the alt right! Which for some crazy reason is defending Putin's Russia, one of the most Authoritarian governments out there.

1 u/Notofthiscountry 17 Feb 2024 07:52

Personally, I think this post was aimed at lifelong politicians in Washington and not at a particular party. We can recreate this post with anyone that fits our narrative and argue about who does and does not belong here for the rest of the year. Everything becomes a straw man if miss the main point that Washington may be as much of an issue as Russia or Ukraine. To a Libertarian, both Democrats and Republicans are probably the same.

1 u/Whiskeywiskerbiscuit 17 Feb 2024 00:42

Yeahh, i honestly get the feeling that there are Republican operatives with modship in some interesting subs. Just yesterday I caught r/latestagecapitolism upvoting and front paging Babylon Bee articles LMAO

1 u/Secret-Employ-40 17 Feb 2024 01:09

The libertarian party was co-opted by the Mises Caucus a few years ago. Jorgenson was the last good candidate they will have.

1 u/Drackar39 17 Feb 2024 08:19

Scratch a Libertarian and you get a alt right Republican, every single time. It's not news.

1 u/Dependent_Weight2274 17 Feb 2024 09:12

Mises Caucus strikes again.

1 u/aureliusky 17 Feb 2024 10:27

Oh wow the libertarians I really just fascists. I'm shocked, shocked, well not shocked...

1 u/CapitalSubstance7310 17 Feb 2024 17:58

Yeah that’s just a dumb take. Socialism is more similar to fascism

1 u/aureliusky 18 Feb 2024 03:37

🤡

1 u/chomblebrown 17 Feb 2024 14:24

There is a paid campaign right now to astoturf reddit super hard, Harder than normal even. Their posts frequently end with nonsequitur partisan flagging, e.g. "We wouldn't be paying so much for McDonald's if it weren't for the terrorists in the republican party!"

1 u/spicyhotcheer 17 Feb 2024 14:34

Libertarians love authority as long as it’s republican authority

1 u/allMightyGINGER [OP] 17 Feb 2024 16:17

Fake libertarians do I agree. I understand Republicans are trying to hijack the term but there's no other term I can use to describe my politics besides left leading libertarian

1 u/Fufeysfdmd 17 Feb 2024 16:15

Libertarians are embarrassed Republicans who come up with a different name to pretend they're not who they are

1 u/kilboi1 17 Feb 2024 16:49

You’re totally in the right here. That sub is extremely ignorant and has turned into their own conservative Nazi party.

1 u/DaEffingBearJew 17 Feb 2024 17:07

What fucking babies lmao

1 u/Then-Faithlessness43 17 Feb 2024 17:10

I disagree with ur comment but you also shouldn’t have been banned if that actually was the reason for the ban without priors

1 u/NullTupe 17 Feb 2024 17:18

Libertarians being hypocritical is kind of the whole point.

1 u/ExcitableNate 17 Feb 2024 17:37

Modern Libertarians are Republicans who like weed and want to fuck teenagers.

1 u/Dr_Vodka9987 17 Feb 2024 18:55

false, they are democrats who want to fuck children

1 u/ExcitableNate 17 Feb 2024 19:52

Unfettered capitalism and an unrestricted free market? You're right, sounds right up the leftist alley.

1 u/keeptryingyoucantwin 17 Feb 2024 17:44

You know why, they are disingenuous in their “belief”

1 u/Delta_Suspect 17 Feb 2024 18:21

Libertarianism on Reddit is a shithole. It really gives us a bad name when people associate these losers with what we believe in.

1 u/CryMoreNeckbeard 17 Feb 2024 20:50

Report the mod. May or may not work but sometimes it does and if it does, totally worth it lol.

1 u/allMightyGINGER [OP] 17 Feb 2024 22:22

I don't even know how to do that

1 u/CryMoreNeckbeard 17 Feb 2024 22:25

Check the message with the mod. Maybe it’s the 3 dots on the top right that gives you the option? I can’t remember and I don’t have any mod messages currently to check.

1 u/soul-herder 17 Feb 2024 21:21

Maybe it’s because all of these people are currently in power and currently representatives of the party that doesn’t like the first amendment?

1 u/allMightyGINGER [OP] 17 Feb 2024 22:22

Barack Obama, Liz Cheney and George Bush are currently in power?

1 u/soul-herder 17 Feb 2024 22:30

I guess I meant more of their ideological successors, but even taken literally 2/3rds of these people are still in power and/or have large influence on politics

1 u/allMightyGINGER [OP] 17 Feb 2024 22:33

Interesting thing is all the Republicans on the list Trump has classified as RHINOS. I think it's pretty apparent that this post was made by MAGA Republicans who support Russia. Not by libertarians therefore It has no business being on a libertarian subreddit and I shouldn't be banned for pointing out how it doesn't include the most authoritarian people in American politics

1 u/soul-herder 17 Feb 2024 22:36

I agree you shouldn’t be banned at all. That is classic Reddit bs. But has it occurred to you that maybe libertarians usually align themselves more with the Republican Party on average because democrats themselves are highly against things like the first and second amendment? I mean it isn’t Kamala Harris that is railing against social media censorship, you are angry that you got banned, which I have as well in the past, then shouldn’t you have understand why Trump, who got banned essentially everywhere from social media, rails against such phenomena?

1 u/allMightyGINGER [OP] 17 Feb 2024 22:42

I would agree with you on the second amendment but not on the 1st. And I've made many comments about how a lot of southern Republicans are pushing for book bands and all sorts of stuff. And when you apply the same logic to the first amendment as we do with the second amendment then they must also support gun bans as well so it's illogical fallacy on the Republicans part . With private ownership companies get the decide who can and can't use their platform so Trump being banned on everything has nothing to do with the first amendment. In the same reason how the libertarian mods can ban me but it can still be bullshit and I can call them out for that and they can still be allowed to ban me. When it comes to gay rights and people doing what they want to do in their own bedroom libertarians much more aligned with Democrats in that regard. Who the fuck cares, what other people do in the privacy of their own home or in their own lives. If they're not hurting anybody then it should not matter and not supporting authoritarian in nature. So it's confusing when libertarians can be left or right. It's just as libertarians. We support less legislation in control over our lives. Voting for someone that wants to restrict your ability to be gay and talk about it is authoritarian in nature and no libertarian would vote for them. Anyone that does is not a libertarian because they like authoritarian policies

1 u/Right_Hand_of_Amal 17 Feb 2024 23:23

All of them are war hawks, Trump and Ron are at least not. They are at least America First, while these liberals don't care if people lose their livelihoods and starve if they get their egos bolstered from their white knight, "DEI" garbage.

1 u/allMightyGINGER [OP] 17 Feb 2024 23:25

Ron is, Trump isn't so much he'd much rather just give everything to Putin he wants. But at the end of the day, if you're on a libertarian subreddit and you're talking about enemies of the states and you don't include Ron and Trump, you are not a libertarian. They are authoritarian as fuck

1 u/Right_Hand_of_Amal 17 Feb 2024 23:31

Ron AFAIK just called for supporting our allies, and to absolutely avoid boots on the ground. Trump started no new wars and has shown no inclination to do so in the future, he was trying to get us out of the wars we were in, though he was blocked at every turn which ultimately resulted in Biden's pullout which killed more than a dozen Marines. Though his rhetoric in regards to Russia has been bad recently, we have no reason to support Ukriane anyway since they aren't allies and it's hurting Americans. When it comes to enemies of the state, you can't compare them to any of these leftist.

1 u/allMightyGINGER [OP] 17 Feb 2024 23:35

From a libertarian perspective, you absolutely can and suggesting anything otherwise is insanity. You can say that you like them, but you cannot say that they are libertarians, end of story. Trump has never been a libertarian, both of them want to do an abortion ban (Yes, I know there's a libertarian argument that is non-religious against abortion, although I don't think the evidence is strong enough to support removing people's rights) Ron's been fighting private companies because they're saying things that he doesn't like in court wasting taxpayer dollars on doing so. He's also past very questionable legislation with the don't say gay and the book bans. You agree that Trump's rhetoric about Russia has been very dangerous. Russia is one of the most authoritarian countries in the world. You can't speak like that as a libertarian, there's just no room for admiring Russia as a libertarian. Once again, it's okay to say that you like them and you want them to lead America. That is fine. You cannot with any good faith argument claim their libertarian which is why in a libertarian subreddit. I said they should be on the list because they are both the enemies of libertarian in America. I'm not saying the others don't belong. I'm saying they 100% belong probably at the top Edit: Russia literally just killed their political opponent a few days ago. Any one supporting Russia or saying nice things about Russia in regards to the political system is authoritarian full stop. The United States supporting Ukraine in my opinion is the United States fighting Russia without risking American lives, we're giving them our old stock of weapons that we are going to have to pay to dismantle. Anyways, it's fine in my opinion, but I understand that people could have different opinions about that

1 u/Right_Hand_of_Amal 17 Feb 2024 23:59

How are they enemies of the state? Because they didn't defend the military? Trump gave us good tax cuts, which libertarians like and at least seems to want to reduce governmental power in some way. Ron was more establishment, but didn't campaign on infringing on anyone's rights either, aside from abortion, which you admit is a non-religious position. Though both did first say they want that power delegated to the states, which limits overall government power and is pretty libertarian. Fundamentally, though, there has never been a right to end a life as that is the first of the major inalienable rights, and by all definitions an unborn infant is a human, and therefore has a human life and thosw inalienable rights. You can't ignore Russia as a leader of the free world. Supporting them slightly puts us in a better position than being their enemies, though, even if what they are doing is atrocious. Supporting them isn't authoritarian because it doesn't mean that we think what they are doing is the right thing, but that we'd rather be on their good side. We'd have no allies if we only worked with countries that wanted to have all the freedoms we give our people. Libertarians have a horrible propensity for thinking about things one-dimensionally which is why every major policy from open borders to nearly abolishing the government broad-writ would be horrible for the people. I don't think the government should be as powerful as it is of course, but the degrees to which even the Misus wants to go is insane and will end up getting us invaded by China or Russia by completely shoring up our military and relocating the resources to other things. There is nuance that they love to ignore, like how we may benefit from things that aren't perfect.

1 u/allMightyGINGER [OP] 18 Feb 2024 00:17

I admitted that there is a non-religious argument to abortion. Most people's reasoning for being against abortion is based in religion and therefore from the first amendment there's a separation of church and state and I do not respect their opinions. I also said I do not believe the evidence is strong enough on the non-religious abortion stance to justify limiting people's rights. Just because I acknowledged it exist does not mean I think it's strong enough. In to be clear, where life begins is a philosophical question. All throughout history that has changed, some believe that conception, some believe at birth, some believe it's at fetus viability (which is where my belief is) don't try to intentionally misrepresent something because it makes you a bad faith actor. A cornerstone of being libertarian is being able to say hey. I believe something but I don't think it should be law. I have lots of personal beliefs that I wish were enacted, but I understand that that would be forcing others to live in the way I view the world and therefore I would never advocate for their policy. There are many people that are adamantly pro-life that do not support legislation restricting the rights of bodily autonomy. Their pro-life in their community and in their families and encourage people to take different choices. But because they're libertarians when it comes to policy, they would like to see the government not dictate their beliefs on others. The true libertarian stance Russia is not a world leader. Their only allies are the axis of resistance. The corruption has destroyed their military, and the world is doing just fine with all the sanctions against Russia. We do not need to be friendly with Russia. They have been America's enemy since the time of the Soviet Union and they will continue to be. Russia's relevancy has to do with them having nukes but we know they won't use them. Like I said, libertarian ideology would not make you have to go one way or another with supporting Ukraine so it's mostly irrelevant. Outside of Trump, admiring Putin I find it interesting that you talk about our allies in a positive light because Trump wants to leave NATO and abandon our allies. libertarian ideology has no stance on this really so it doesn't really matter what someone's opinion is on it, It just does not fit with Trump not being an enemy of America. Trump also is against a package that would secure the southern border because he does want to give a win to Biden. Who gives a fuck about giving going to somebody. If they're going to do something good then let them do it. Mike Johnson won't let bills go to the floor so the house can vote on them. Undermining democracy most likely because of Trump. Once again, you may personally like Ron and Trump and that is fine. But you cannot make any sort of argument that is viable under any scrutiny that they are libertarian. It's okay to be a little authoritarian. I disagree with you that that is the way forward western civilization but we can sort it out in the polls, People need to stop lying about who they actually are. Just like the libertarian subreddit needs to stop saying their libertarian. No libertarian would support the banning of books, Russia, being gay or anything else of those guys support. Remember politics is a political compass it's a combination of people being left and right while at the same time they can also be authoritarian or libertarian. I am a left leaning libertarian you by the sounds of it are a right leaning authoritarian. It's fine but just be yourself. I don't like the Democrats. I don't like republicans. I don't like the far left. I don't like the alt right. The support legislation that aligns with my world belief that libertarianism is the way. I'll also support legislation that limits people's rights. If there is incredibly strong evidence supporting that legislation (drunk driving, Labour laws, etc)

1 u/Right_Hand_of_Amal 18 Feb 2024 00:40

When I say life begins at conception, that means that at conception, the unborn is in all ways human. It has a unique DNA set that differentiates it from its parents. Before viability, it develops most organs that are the same as all other humans like fingers, brains, lungs, and hearts. The thought that it isn't human until it's viable is ridiculous because what is it before then. The libertarian stance would be to go with the constitution on this one, which says all humans have a right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Otherwise, you have anarchy. Russia having such significant military capabilities makes them an extreme risk. You say they won't use them, but you can't know that. The problem is that they can, and therefore, if your goal is to protect Americans, then don't piss off the people who could kill millions instantly. You're conflating isolationist beliefs with libertarianism, which don't always go hand in hand. Trump wants to leave NATO since our "allies" haven't been paying their part of the defense funding, draining American resources, while they've constantly relied on our military might and superpower status for their own conflicts. Again, if your goal is the benefit of Americans, than not having an alliship that takes drains over 800 million dollars per year would be the libertarian move, unless they can offer us a significant benefit worth that much money, which they currently don't. Trump is against the border bill because it doesn't do anything. It allows us to close the border only if the encounters surpasses an average of 5 thousand per day or 8500 in one day, giving Mayorkas or the DHHS head the ability to choose to restrict the border. Which can be overruled by the president for 90 days per year. Meaning it doesn't help the issue at all and just costs us absurd amounts of money while increasing more government power, which isn't very libertarian. Perhaps read the bill before claiming that he just "doesn't want to give a win to Biden." And here again, you prove you've done little to no research and just listen to political pundits. Though first, having a government isn't authoritarian, nor is having limited regulatory power. Ron and Trump aren't libertarian because they are conservative, they also aren't enemies of the state because their goals don't have ramifications that will hurt the people or remove freedoms. The policies you're implying remove books featuring graphic sexual topics or images from elementary and middle schools and disallow sexual acts in public, respectively. It's removing obscene books from children in the school system, not banning books, and stopping kids and the public from seeing obscene things like full nudity and sex as happens in pride parades, not banning people from being gay generally. I'm not an authoritarian, I'm a conservative, and you're not a libertarian, you're practically a leftist. And much like other leftists, you fail to see reality and instead aim for a pie in the sky utopian vision of politics that will ultimately end in anarchy.

1 u/allMightyGINGER [OP] 18 Feb 2024 01:09

I don't engage with people who can't make Good faith arguments, so I'm not going to engage with you anymore. I doubt you could even provide the definition of libertarian let alone discern between the different types. You are authoritarian whether you like it or not. I would highly suggest reading the definitions and having a well -rounded understanding of the political compass because it's clear that you do not. Take care and have a great time screaming into the void

1 u/Right_Hand_of_Amal 18 Feb 2024 01:20

Libertarians believe that securing freedom for the people should be the main goal of the government. The scale ranges from anarcho-capitalism to right-libertarianism. If you had even a vague understanding of the political compass, you would know that conservatism and authoritarianism are different things. Of course, I can't say I'm surprised that some random person who gets their news from page 1 of Google may not actually engage in debate. If you want to stay in your own world believing that you are more intelligent th an anyone else, than more power to you, but never engage in a debate if you don't want to hear the response.

1 u/allMightyGINGER [OP] 18 Feb 2024 01:45

Fyi https://www.politicalcompass.org/analysis2?ec=-1.63&soc=-6.51

1 u/Right_Hand_of_Amal 18 Feb 2024 01:47

Ooh 6.5/10 anarchist what a suprise

1 u/allMightyGINGER [OP] 18 Feb 2024 00:15

I admitted that there is a non-religious argument to abortion. Most people's reasoning for being against abortion is based in religion and therefore from the first amendment there's a separation of church and state and I do not respect their opinions. I also said I do not believe the evidence is strong enough on the non-religious abortion stance to justify limiting people's rights. Just because I acknowledged it exist does not mean I think it's strong enough. In to be clear, where life begins is a philosophical question. All throughout history that has changed, some believe that conception, some believe at birth, some believe it's at fetus viability (which is where my belief is) don't try to intentionally misrepresent something because it makes you a bad faith actor. A cornerstone of being libertarian is being able to say hey. I believe something but I don't think it should be law. I have lots of personal beliefs that I wish were enacted, but I understand that that would be forcing others to live in the way I view the world and therefore I would never advocate for their policy. There are many people that are adamantly pro-life that do not support legislation restricting the rights of bodily autonomy. Their pro-life in their community and in their families and encourage people to take different choices. But because they're libertarians when it comes to policy, they would like to see the government not dictate their beliefs on others. The true libertarian stance Russia is not a world leader. Their only allies are the axis of resistance. The corruption has destroyed their military, and the world is doing just fine with all the sanctions against Russia. We do not need to be friendly with Russia. They have been America's enemy since the time of the Soviet Union and they will continue to be. Russia's relevancy has to do with them having nukes but we know they won't use them. Like I said, libertarian ideology would not make you have to go one way or another with supporting Ukraine so it's mostly irrelevant. Outside of Trump, admiring Putin I find it interesting that you talk about our allies in a positive light because Trump wants to leave NATO and abandon our allies. libertarian ideology has no stance on this really so it doesn't really matter what someone's opinion is on it, It just does not fit with Trump not being an enemy of America. Trump also is against a package that would secure the southern border because he does want to give a win to Biden. Who gives a fuck about giving going to somebody. If they're going to do something good then let them do it. Mike Johnson won't let bills go to the floor so the house can vote on them. Undermining democracy most likely because of Trump. Once again, you may personally like Ron and Trump and that is fine. But you cannot make any sort of argument that is viable under any scrutiny that they are libertarian. It's okay to be a little authoritarian. I disagree with you that that is the way forward western civilization but we can sort it out in the polls, People need to stop lying about who they actually are. Just like the libertarian subreddit needs to stop saying their libertarian. No libertarian would support the banning of books, Russia, being gay or anything else of those guys support. Remember politics is a political compass it's a combination of people being left and right while at the same time they can also be authoritarian or libertarian. I am a left leaning libertarian you by the sounds of it are a right leaning authoritarian. It's fine but just be yourself. I don't like the Democrats. I don't like republicans. I don't like the far left. I don't like the alt right. The support legislation that aligns with my world belief that libertarianism is the way. I'll also support legislation that limits people's rights. If there is incredibly strong evidence supporting that legislation (drunk driving, Labour laws, etc)

1 u/os_kaiserwilhelm 18 Feb 2024 02:34

That sub got taken over years ago. Any non- conservative opinion was ban worthy. Actual libertarianism isn't allowed there.

1 u/Just_Some_Alien_Guy 18 Feb 2024 02:42

You should start making new accounts and spamming them.

1 u/ohokayiguess1 18 Feb 2024 04:30

Your mistake was thinking libertarians aren't just conservatives cosplaying as moderates

1 u/Unhappy-Arrival753 18 Feb 2024 07:31

Contemporary libertarians are just white supremacist Neo-cons in disguise. You missed the boat. Time to either turn left or join the nazis.

1 u/Dies_Ultima 18 Feb 2024 11:27

I was banned from that sub for being a libertarian socialist

1 u/rsantoro 18 Feb 2024 12:27

I got permanently banned from there for talking about the land value tax. According to them geo-libertarianism breaks rule number 1

1 u/Specialist_Bet5534 18 Feb 2024 13:11

Trump is a traitor

1 u/IRKillRoy 18 Feb 2024 14:46

To be clear, you know nothing of Libertarianism. I’m not gonna rant, but Liberty doesn’t mean you can do whatever you want wherever you want. Also, you hate on people for what, views you didn’t like? Well the Democrats use the threat of violence to enforce their views which is called authoritarianism. Just… I don’t din’t know, read a book??

1 u/Joeguyness123 18 Feb 2024 15:32

Yeah reddit is quick to ban you for unpopular opinions. I get kicked from subreddits all the time for stating what is simply my opinion or for critiquing a post

1 u/WaterMySucculents 18 Feb 2024 16:13

This is the libertarian sub. It simply exists as a “libertarian” to Trump pipeline. You can Profess how much of a libertarian you are as long as anything directed politically is to benefit Republicans and hurt Democrats.

1 u/Weary-Performance431 18 Feb 2024 16:19

Libertarians are a joke. Consider yourself blessed.

1 u/Feisty_Ad_2744 18 Feb 2024 16:21

It happens more often that not, that self declared libertarians are actually conservatives. The apparent contradiction comes from the fact that both groups want the smallest possible State for very different reasons, but with very similar outcomes. It is natural for them to be allies despite the ideological differences.

1 u/Jenkem_occultist 18 Feb 2024 19:02

The vast majority of so called 'libertarians' are just people with the political awareness of edgelord teens and softer spoken conservatives that want to flock behind a special snowflake banner to avoid admitting that they are, in fact, VERY conservative.

1 u/Averag34merican 18 Feb 2024 20:28

“I’m a libertarian who takes libertarian stances on things also I don’t disagree with the gun grabbing warmongers and also conservatives are terrible and hate democracy!”

1 u/SomeOfYallGonnaBeMad 18 Feb 2024 22:20

Libertarians are like housecats, crafty at best but completely and utterly reliant on more capable people. It's why no one has taken them seriously in 100 years

1 u/BigHatPat 18 Feb 2024 22:27

“libertarian” has a completely different meaning in america, it basically means ancap + social conservative

1 u/fracturedromantic 18 Feb 2024 22:51

lol yeah russia is definitely my enemy

1 u/mutantredoctopus 19 Feb 2024 00:33

Of course it isn’t. It’s full of adult babies, utterly conservative in outlook, but afraid of accepting the label.

1 u/Asher_Tye 19 Feb 2024 01:23

:ROFLMAO

1 u/Financial-Sky-2381 19 Feb 2024 01:26

I’m just curious about why they’d want Trump on there. Trump actually cared about taking care of the citizens

1 u/Kulfiking 19 Feb 2024 02:31

As someone who considers themself an actual libertarian I’ll tell you most libertarians are just republicans who like smoking weed. They are pro more government control and that shit sucks.

1 u/JLCpbfspbfspbfs 19 Feb 2024 04:28

Libertarian party went to shit when MISES institute took it over.

1 u/Alice_Without_Chains 19 Feb 2024 05:38

I got banned for saying most homeschooled people I know were weird and socially awkward. Had a bunch of people agree who were homeschooled…

1 u/Surfing-millennial 19 Feb 2024 09:37

They laid it out pretty simply. You literally said “your conservatism is showing” as if being conservative is a bad thing. Really easy way to tell you’re gonna be the type of person who annoys everyone else in the sub

1 u/No_Assistant_9867 19 Feb 2024 12:18

got that right!!!

1 u/New_Performance_525 19 Feb 2024 13:52

That’s hypothetical

1 u/HarmoniousLight 19 Feb 2024 15:36

I’ve never met a Libertarian who wasn’t an absolute turbo ‘tism.

1 u/Ahighbear 19 Feb 2024 15:43

Man when did we go wrong, this country use to be about mostly hearing everyone out. No matter your religion, political, or ideological beliefs you shouldn’t be silenced for it. It baffles me that not many people see that whatever you do to silence the opposition they will do the same to you down the line. No matter if you’re on the right or left we shouldn’t censor each other…

1 u/BootInevitable4910 19 Feb 2024 17:17

Seen it all over Reddit. Severe extremists running the place. Full of hate speech towards certain groups, ban you and mod you down if you complain about it. Very censorious/authoritarian. Scary stuff.

1 u/TomServo31k 19 Feb 2024 17:24

Sorry buddy. Libertarians have cucked to Trump just like they cuck to corporate power under the guise of "freedom".

1 u/daKile57 19 Feb 2024 17:45

MAGA is basically just anarcho-capitalism. They want the government to be so incompetent that the business class are able to effectively make their own rules at their convenience.

1 u/Significant_Tie6525 19 Feb 2024 20:42

funny how all these people are worth hundreds of millions

1 u/dedpeepl420 19 Feb 2024 23:49

Lol their message said it all. Get a job

-2 u/ShimmeringMorlok 15 Feb 2024 16:35

Libtards are spineless and by the left.

-2 u/electricalnoise 15 Feb 2024 17:02

"put Trump on it" But he's no longer in office and they're CERTAINLY going to succeed in disqualifying him because he's a criminal, right? These people's lives revolve around this bullshit. Everything has to be about Trump, and we all have to know exactly what each one of them thinks about him. As if that matters.

2 u/allMightyGINGER [OP] 15 Feb 2024 17:29

What are you talking about? Obama and Bush are on it and will never be president again. Trump might be president again if it is the will of the people. DeSantis and Johnson are actively in government fighting against libertarian principles. In my libertarian view, they are all enemies of the American people. I think it'd be very hard to make a libertarian case that they are not.

-2 u/Nomadic_View 15 Feb 2024 18:10

First rule of politics is you must condemn Donald Trump before making any statements about any other politician.

Libertarian subreddit isn't so libertarian

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