r/RedditCensors: A comment thread where I defended Feminism and its ideals... got banned for "misogyny"

FoxwolfJackson · 2024-02-16T14:56:58Z

I still dunno what I did wrong. It's a subreddit called \\"Serious Conversation\\". One should be open-minded and not call someone a bigot or a misogynist or a homophobe or a transphobe PURELY because you disagree with what they say. It's fine to dislike what they said; it's not fine to engage in intellectual fascism by suppressing the voice of those you don't agree with. Oh well, no harm no foul. It explains why the entire subreddit is everyone echoing each other and everyone thinks the...

11 u/letmeinimafairy 16 Feb 2024 18:43

One time I was having an honest debate with a feminist and I got her to reply "if equality means holding women to the same standards as men, then no I don't believe in it." I'll remember that victory until my death.

11 u/letmeinimafairy 16 Feb 2024 18:52

I'd just like to let everyone reading this know that I got a "reddit cares" notification as soon as I posted that comment. That's how you know you've won again. Infuriated someone so much they skip replying angrily and go straight to insulting your mental health. Sorry my logic is too sound for your brainwashed ideology.

3 u/jackinsomniac 17 Feb 2024 02:00

There should be a report button at the bottom of that message. I'd definitely report it, that's what I do now. Abusing a legit support system just to troll/harass someone, or as a harsher way of saying "seek help" is cowardly, and also against a bunch of reddit rules. But yeah, stand tall, all they've proven is they big mad, and couldn't even articulate a response.

1 u/Least-Media 17 Feb 2024 15:57

I mean I didn’t report you for anything, but “your logic” is one unhinged redditor making a fool of themself. It’s certainly not a compelling point.

1 u/Fanclock314 16 Feb 2024 18:57

"Why should people be treated differently just because the context surrounding the situation is different????"

1 u/UraniumDisulfide 18 Feb 2024 03:12

You really had to get vague with your rephrasing to make it sound bad lmao.

1 u/TheCynicallyChaotic 17 Feb 2024 06:05

The funny thing is at that point I don’t even think it’s feminism anymore. It’s just Misandry.

2 u/FoxwolfJackson [OP] 17 Feb 2024 13:09

I've oftentimes said that a LOT of good social movements with honestly good intentions are always taken over by bullies looking for a way to be themselves without judgment. I've been called a "transphobe" because I called a trans person out on their bullshit and, instead of being accountable that they stole something, they just said "you only blamed me because I'm trans". God, I hate people who use things like that or mental health or anything else as an armor to be a shitty person... People who call themselves "feminists", people who call themselves "allies" to the LGBT... some of these people are the worst, because all they do is yell and scream and attack anyone who disagrees with them... and the reason they do it is because they have no idea what they actually stand for. They're just a wolf in sheep's clothing who, when you ask about the sheep's history and stance, they just yell "bigot". I am a feminist (by classical definition). I am an ally. But, I will *not* engage in such activity. That's how you get someone on the fence to become an enemy. The victims these "allies" bully will always turn against us. We have to fight hate with love... and actual love, not the "love" and "tolerance" that social media people pretend to have, all the while intolerantly lynching anyone who's different from them. That makes them no better than racists and homophobes and transphobes themselves.

2 u/TheCynicallyChaotic 17 Feb 2024 19:26

Exactly. A lot of these people just actively aid the people they’re against, becoming perfect propaganda for their supposed opponents to use.

2 u/Boris-_-Badenov 17 Feb 2024 20:04

that's not new. there were people who said if you didn't vote for Obama you were racist

1 u/RealizedAgain 17 Feb 2024 14:08

Did everyone clap

1 u/Agreeable_You_3295 18 Feb 2024 14:59

You base your entire opinion on an ideology off one conversation you had with a stranger on the internet? Dang, that's bold.

8 u/Thedudewhosmokedpot 16 Feb 2024 15:27

Dude I got banned from /news because I asked how they knew someone's party affiliation solely based off what crime they got arrested for. Every sub has their bias, the mods can police it however they want and your never goinf to win on here.

2 u/FoxwolfJackson [OP] † 16 Feb 2024 15:41

Oh, yeah, I've long since accepted that every place is a groupthink curtailed by its mods. I more just posted this to get it out of my system. It's sad to see how these echo chambers (admittedly on both sides, not just the left) make people believe they are right and the world should all agree with them and when they get in real life and people disagree, they screech insults. I remember on YouTube, someone mentioned "Death by Glamour is not the best song of Undertale and I'm tired of pretending it is" and the comment section was basically "dude, me too, I just never wanted to say it because I was afraid of getting bashed" or "dude, I thought so too, but I always believed if you disagree with someone, just shut up and move on". Opposition being silenced has really given people such skewed views on the world. :/ I've said many times that the internet and social media was basically "the awkward kids who sat in a corner finding solace with each other while the rest of society marches on" and, with every passing year, I stand firmer on that opinion.

1 u/nashbellow 16 Feb 2024 21:05

Isn't r/news anime tidies, or did they switch it back?

6 u/banned_resurrection 16 Feb 2024 15:32

Defending feminism is pretty misogynistic

1 u/TheCynicallyChaotic 17 Feb 2024 06:06

Hot take of the hour folks.

1 u/Agreeable_You_3295 18 Feb 2024 15:00

Too bad that's not remotely what OP did.

3 u/Overhang0376 16 Feb 2024 18:01

Cripes! I *gently* disagree with the premise you opposed, in so far that I *don't* think equality is *preferable*, but rather that some form of "complementarianism" would be better suited to the roles of men and women. I can't for the life of me imagine how much *worse* they would see my own position, if yours, which I **easily** call *logical and level-headed* is seen as "misogyny". If it's any consolation to you, I would say that people who are unwilling to afford others who they disagree with the chance to speak, they are indebted to inadequate preparation a priori catastrophic failure. That is to say, one who cannot allow their own presumptions be tested in the heat of conversation and vigorous debate, will be unable to withstand a gentle breeze. Weak ideas lead to weak people banning strong voices. When strong voices go, weak people corrode weak ideas into false premise and failed ideals. That isn't to say that we should somehow *relish* the idea of people disagreeing with us, it's a painful and discomforting thing, but to refuse to even *allow* counter perspective is the fragility of a child's sandcastle; temporary and poorly planned - feeble minded and absent of foresight.

1 u/FoxwolfJackson [OP] 16 Feb 2024 18:23

>Cripes! I gently disagree with the premise you opposed, in so far that I don't think equality is preferable, but rather that some form of "complementarianism" would be better suited to the roles of men and women. I believe there's a famous speaker who mentioned that there's two types of equality in the world, traditional equality and cosmic equality (that is more commonly known as equity). Personally, in an ideal world, I would agree with you, but I also realize that the world is not ideal so long as humans continue to exist and corrupt any ideal system out there. You would have so many loud shouting matches about the roles of the genders to the point we would revert back to "patriarchy" screaming matches. >That is to say, one who cannot allow their own presumptions be tested in the heat of conversation and vigorous debate, will be unable to withstand a gentle breeze. Weak ideas lead to weak people banning strong voices. When strong voices go, weak people corrode weak ideas into false premise and failed ideals. A single thin strand of metal is weak, but twisted together, they form the cables that help hold up suspension bridges. You get enough weak ideas banded together and you end up with a strong movement that's able to stand up to strong ideas (especially when the premise of those strong ideas are unappealing, so many reject them and, therefore do not have many banded together to support it). That's how I see a lot of social media. A bunch of weak ideas repeated over and over, strengthened with each repetition and new person flocking in.. until the illusion of strength is perceived. But, like the house of cards analogy in My Cousin Vinny, those building blocks are not bricks... just paper thin cards turned at an angle to show stability and strength.

1 u/couldntyoujust 17 Feb 2024 04:38

> A single thin strand of metal is weak, but twisted together, they form the cables that help hold up suspension bridges. You get enough weak ideas banded together and you end up with a strong movement that's able to stand up to strong ideas (especially when the premise of those strong ideas are unappealing, so many reject them and, therefore do not have many banded together to support it). I'm not saying at all that this is you, but rather what they're doing, but ironically this is the core idea of fascism: one stick is weak but bundled together they are strong. That was the whole word-picture that Benito Mussolini used in one of his speeches promoting fascism. It's EXACTLY what they're doing. Which makes it all the more ironic and projecting that they call anyone who disagrees with them "fascists" and as good little antifa, they are totally justified in using violence against everyone else's strong ideas that they deem to be violence and fascism. After all, nothing wrong with punching a "nazi" amirite? These people need to be made to sit down, and shut up. And if they try to use violence in the ways they deem it justified, arrested. Their ideas which forego rational debate for violence and suppression are exactly the ideas that Popper meant when describing the paradox of tolerance as "intolerant" ideas that ironically must not be tolerated.

1 u/FoxwolfJackson [OP] 17 Feb 2024 13:38

>I'm not saying at all that this is you, but rather what they're doing, but ironically this is the core idea of fascism: one stick is weak but bundled together they are strong. That was the whole word-picture that Benito Mussolini used in one of his speeches promoting fascism. That actually is kinda frightening to think about that I used the same kind of concept as Mussolini used. I just kinda thought about it, 'cause I have to drive over a suspension bridge every day for work and I think about how it's like metallic twine, and I think about how twince, while strong in the form it's sold, is just a bunch of weak strings put together, lol. I forget the actual person, but Foamy the Squirrel quoted someone from history that once said that the very idea of shouting down anyone who disagrees with them as "intellectual fascism" and as someone who went to war to "fight actual fascism", it sent shivers down his spine to see the same concept of intolerance being fought mentally instead of physically.. or something to that extent. To be fair, it's not just these people that act like this. It's hard to not say they're justified in how they act when you have people as... equal but opposite as them... in the MAGA Movement. They're two halves to the same coin. ... for a generation that grew up loving The Hunger Games (or perhaps most of them only saw the movies), they're doing a good job being representatives of President Snow and President Coin.

2 u/couldntyoujust 17 Feb 2024 17:16

I mean, I think Solomon used a similar analogy in Proverbs. That's why I don't fault anyone for using it. It just strikes me as ironic that the ones who call themselves "antifa" are the most fascist ones of them all in terms of "intellectual fascism".

2 u/Similar_Reading_2728 † 16 Feb 2024 21:16

Probably because you are wrong about the first point you bring up: Modern feminism AS DESCRIBED BY MEN OR TRANS ERASING RADICAL FEMINISTS, is a female supremacy movement. But Modern feminism is NOT a female supremacy movement. That is Trans Erasing Radical Feminism. So yeah, you are a misogynist OR so uninformed as to be an unwitting misogynist.

1 u/couldntyoujust 17 Feb 2024 04:41

You're pretty sexist to say that. "as described by men"? So men are incapable of accurately and objectively assessing modern feminism? Amazing.

1 u/Least-Media 17 Feb 2024 15:59

Weird how I, as a man, didn’t read it that way at all. Stop telling on yourself.

1 u/couldntyoujust 17 Feb 2024 17:07

You're right. Sexists generally don't think that what they believe is sexist. It's really weird actually because they're saying that because OP is a man, they can't possibly accurately represent feminism such that they offer a cogent critique. See, when OP does it, he's not describing modern feminism, he's describing "modern feminism AS DESCRIBED BY MEN..." What similar reading is saying is that he's a man, so his assessment that modern feminism has become a female supremacy movement (it has) is invalid because he just doesn't understand feminism. It's a convenient scheme where the other person is wrong simply because you say they are with no need to back up where their critique goes wrong or makes an error. Instead, they're a man, they can't possibly get it - probably because they're part of the oppressor class - and so their critique is invalid. It's sexist reasoning on Similar_reading's part and you're defending it. Congratulations, it's actually YOU who told on yourself.

1 u/Least-Media 17 Feb 2024 17:29

Wow, wrong on all counts. I did not read Similar_Reading’s take as applying to all men. Rather, it applied to men whose views are shared with trans exclusionary radical feminists. So all this talk of dismissing men’s views simply because they *are* men must be addressed to someone else. That isn’t what I believe, and I do not believe that is what was expressed by Similar_Reading. You, by taking personal offense from a comment aimed at a certain subset of people, admit to belonging to that group. If you think the comment applies to all men, that’s quite an inference but all we can do is disagree.

1 u/couldntyoujust 17 Feb 2024 17:39

That's special pleading. It couldn't possibly be that someone understands it fully and still rejects it for valid reasons, no, the must be misunderstanding/misrepresenting it no matter how much evidence they have to the contrary. Critiquing your position or anyone else's isn't taking personal offense. Your critique falls flat.

1 u/Least-Media 17 Feb 2024 17:56

> It couldn't possibly be that someone understands it fully and still rejects it for valid reasons Of course it could. And that possibility is fully allowed in Similar_Reading’s comment. Needless to say, even if your point were true, that doesn’t equate to disqualifying men simply because they are men. It equates to disqualifying men and women simply because they believe feminism has become a women-supremacy movement. Stifling of ideas, sure. Sexist, no. > Critiquing your position or anyone else's isn't taking personal offense. Your critique falls flat. Oh, terribly sorry. You’re just defending men that share views with terfs for the principle. I agree that does not make you one personally, and withdraw my observation.

1 u/couldntyoujust 18 Feb 2024 22:13

You just contradicted yourself. The presumption is that rejecting transgenderism is automatically invalid and therefore either the person rejecting that set of claims is either "hateful" or "ignorant". This excuses treating them with incredible bad faith. Except that the "men" you're referring to might not agree with Trans Exclusionary Radical Feminists on the topic of feminism, and in fact a lot of them don't. The original post had NOTHING to do with transgenderism. It's Similar_reading who added transgenderism to the conversation for no reason.

1 u/Least-Media 19 Feb 2024 01:38

> You just contradicted yourself. The presumption is that rejecting transgenderism is automatically invalid and therefore either the person rejecting that set of claims is either "hateful" or "ignorant". This excuses treating them with incredible bad faith. The same is true of modern feminism at large and men rejecting it. Firstly, I fully reject your assessment of the premise. At no point does “rejecting transgenderism” enter into the realm of the men’s view. Only when it crosses into the belief of “feminism is a women supremacy movement” do you now have association with “rejecting transgenderism” by way of being ideologically associate with terfs. That does not mean that men who think feminism is a women-supremacy movement necessarily reject transgenderism. > Except that the "men" you're referring to might not agree with Trans Exclusionary Radical Feminists on the topic of feminism, and in fact a lot of them don't. The original post had NOTHING to do with transgenderism. It's Similar_reading who added transgenderism to the conversation for no reason. Except they *do* agree with terfs when it comes to feminism being a women supremacy movement, which was specifically the topic at hand.

1 u/couldntyoujust 20 Feb 2024 02:54

Except, I rejected feminism before there even was a "position" on trans-women. I've rejected feminism as it existed 8-10 years ago before and as it's further devolved into this trans-clusionary schism. The issue of trans inclusion/exclusion is irrelevant to whether or not the movement has become "female/women-supremacy" in its modern forms compared to 100 years ago when it began with the suffragettes. You're latching onto the word "female" as if we're being careful in our language to exclude trans-women. That's not a consideration of ours in the context. It doesn't matter if feminists are trans-exclusionary or not to us, both movements have female/women-supremacy as a feature, both movements together are what seems to be at issue as being "feminism" and as a "female/women supremacy movement".

1 u/Least-Media 20 Feb 2024 12:07

No friend, it is *you* who are hung up on the issue on transgenderism. Also, I’ve been very explicit about calling it a “women” supremacy movement as to not bring any trans subject matter into the conversation. As I’ve said before, you thinking that feminism is a women-supremacy movement puts you in agreement with terfs. It doesn’t mean you agree with them on everything, and it does nothing to speak to your position on transgenderism. This was a disappointing comment to type, because it’s just a restatement of the last.

1 u/Least-Media 17 Feb 2024 17:31

Do you know how I *know* that comment wasn’t aimed at all men? Because I, a man, do not believe the farce that says feminism is (or has become) a women-supremacy movement. See: telling on yourself.

1 u/couldntyoujust 20 Feb 2024 03:14

That's non-sequitur. And the reason you are assumed to "get it" is that you agree with modern feminism rather than critiquing it. That's a double standard.

1 u/Least-Media 20 Feb 2024 12:09

No, it isn’t a non sequitur. It’s an example that directly proves your interpretation of Similar_Reading’s comment. It very obviously and objectively was not aimed at all men, and does not invalidate their views *because they are men*. QED

1 u/FoxwolfJackson [OP] 17 Feb 2024 13:20

I mean, when one of the most famous examples of modern feminism is the "Video Games Appeal to the Male Fantasy" meme and most modern so-called "feminists" believe that kind of thing, then yes, I do believe they are not being fair or equalist about things. When was the last time you heard a story of a modern feminist, particularly the ones with a bunch of clout on TikTok, actively take a stand against the unfairness of the custodial system of courts? If the two genders are so equal, why must the male be the one who pays alimony in every instance where the two sides are financially equal? Why must the child automatically go to the mother in every instance where the two sides are equal? Why is it that most feminists don't push the cruel narrative that the male suicide rate is FAR higher than female suicide rates and try to do more about it? It's because they don't care.

1 u/Least-Media 17 Feb 2024 16:00

> I mean, when one of the most famous examples of modern feminism is the "Video Games Appeal to the Male Fantasy" meme and most modern so-called "feminists" believe that kind of thing, then yes, I do believe they are not being fair or equalist about things. I think I know why you got banned. > When was the last time you heard a story of a modern feminist, particularly the ones with a bunch of clout on TikTok, actively take a stand against the unfairness of the custodial system of courts? I am now reasonably confident that I know why you got banned. > Why is it that most feminists don't push the cruel narrative that the male suicide rate is FAR higher than female suicide rates and try to do more about it? Fuck, I am 100% certain I know why you got banned. > It's because they don't care. 😂😂😂

2 u/Glittering-Lack-7889 17 Feb 2024 03:03

How dafuq is it misogynist to say feminism is NOT a female supremacy movement.

2 u/Brave_Example_8658 17 Feb 2024 03:46

They said feminism IS a female supremacy movement, so idk why you're asking that.

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1 u/kurtu5 16 Feb 2024 19:54

Cannibals!

1 u/GroundbreakingAd8310 16 Feb 2024 21:07

U correctd a woman maybe?

1 u/Brave_Example_8658 17 Feb 2024 03:44

Oh well see your problem is that you said modern feminism is a female supremacist movement and said something as dumb as "we have equality in the west". Both very silly things to say.

1 u/FoxwolfJackson [OP] 17 Feb 2024 13:33

Sorry, but when the representative of modern feminism include Claudia Restrepo and Anita Sarkeesian, that's a VERY far cry from Susan B. Anthony and Sojourner Truth. Have either of these ladies advocated for a harsh scrutiny of the court system and how unfair the laws are about custody of a child after separation/divorce? Have either of these ladies cared about how male suicide rate is higher? Do either of these "feminists" care that females still don't have to register for selective service? Also, there is very much equality in the west. Not sure what inequalities there are left. Females can join the Army Rangers just as much as the men can, provided they pass the exam. The "wage gap" in virtually every field has been proven to be a debunked myth YEARS ago and the term only exists because of the uninformed perpetually peddling the propaganda. Females are slowly starting to play more football (IIRC: the NCAA has a few female kickers for their football teams, although I can't remember which ones they are off the top of my head). I *am* a feminist, but I am a real feminist... not an insult to the movement like those two, and everyone on social media who acts like them, are.

2 u/Kinkybobo 18 Feb 2024 15:54

>Do either of these "feminists" care that females still don't have to register for selective service? God you're woefully uneducated. Women's rights activists have been pushing for women's selective service for years Republicans keep voting no. https://rollcall.com/2021/07/23/conservatives-riled-up-over-registering-women-for-draft/ From the article: But Cotton tweeted Friday his opposition to women registering with the Selective Service. “Our military has welcomed women for decades and are stronger for it,” he said. “But America’s daughters shouldn’t be drafted against their will. I opposed this amendment in committee, and I’ll work to remove it before the defense bill passes.” Hawley also tweeted about the issue Friday. “I voted against forcing women to enter the draft, and here’s why,” he said. “American women have heroically served in and alongside our fighting forces since our nation’s founding. It’s one thing to allow American women to choose this service, but it’s quite another to force it upon our daughters, sisters, and wives. Missourians feel strongly that compelling women to fight our wars is wrong and so do I.” You don't get to bitch about women not having to sign up for the draft when Republicans literally won't let them. >Have either of these ladies advocated for a harsh scrutiny of the court system and how unfair the laws are about custody of a child after separation/divorce? Have either of these ladies cared about how male suicide rate is higher? Idgaf about either of these idiots. Modern feminism addresses and acknowledges these issues. If you dont then you're a radfem Terf and it an actual feminist. You don't get to point at terfs and say "that's feminism" The equivalent is pointing at the Qanon Shaman and saying he represents All Republicans Refusing to acknowledge that is being academically dishonest, purposely disingenuous, and YES, misogynistic. You don't get to paint all feminists as radicals to justify your mysogeny. >Also, there is very much equality in the west Demonstrably false. >Not sure what inequalities there are left. Reproductive rights. Healthcare... Republicans are trying to end no fault divorce because they hate that women have rights and can just leave a marriage whenever they want https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/09/no-fault-divorce-laws-republicans-repeal/675371/ Women in the USA have no legally mandated maternity leave. Literally every other OECD nation does. To name just a few issues. >I *am* a feminist, but I am a real feminist Lol no you're fuckin not bud. Completely uneducated on the topic and have no idea wtf an actual feminist even is. 😂

1 u/Hollowfication22 17 Feb 2024 16:07

Would like to see that mod especially for a sub called serious conversations seriously explain and try to justify the ban.

1 u/Boris-_-Badenov 17 Feb 2024 20:02

why would you defend modern feminism? it's all about hating men and saying women are better

1 u/Agreeable_You_3295 18 Feb 2024 14:58

lolol

1 u/Kinkybobo 18 Feb 2024 16:01

Modern feminism is literally the opposite. You just described radical feminism. TERF shit. (JK ROWLING) which is not accepted by modern Feminists Educate yourself. Do better.

1 u/CapitalSubstance7310 17 Feb 2024 20:58

Let me guess. Something about the wage gap (Which is the average wage of all jobs between men and women. Not accounting for hours working, men typically haven’t different jobs, breaks when their is a child inside of you, etc.)

1 u/commeatus 17 Feb 2024 22:46

A lot of modern feminists believe that the unequal outcomes of modern society are proof of unequal treatment. Your comment contradicts that and that's probably what you were banned for. I'm not going to take a stance in this comment because I don't feel like tracking down sources for anyone who disagrees.

1 u/Agreeable_You_3295 18 Feb 2024 14:56

I mean, you're pushing misogynist bullshit, of course you got banned. Feminism is about equality. You're one of those special cases than things women are all out to get them.

1 u/Kinkybobo 18 Feb 2024 15:07

The problem is that you have a very ignorant understanding of feminism, or don't understand it at all. Completely uneducated take on your part. Comes across as purposely disingenuous (nobody is this stupid, they're trolling) and misogynistic. You literally have to be pretty blind and willfully ignorant if this is your honest opinion. You don't understand feminism. Straight up. Based on your comment, you seem to be arguing against rad fems (radical Feminists) who are basically just Terfs because nobody is actually a rad fem. If you are you're an idiot. They are the underwhelming MINORITY that incels use to justify their mysogeny (basically what you did in your comment) They're constantly propped up as the figureheads of feminism by the right to justify attacking ALL feminism, even though rad fems aren't considered legitimate feminists. -AT ALL- This ignorance of what actual feminism is, is perpetuated by right wing actors. This ignorance is what led to gamergate and the popularity of hating on "sjws" in the mid 20 teens Actual feminism addresses the suffering of BOTH sexes. Calling attention to the culture of toxic masculinity and how men suffer from it, how the patriarchy harms them and promotes a cycle of hatred of men and violence towards women. Actual feminism promotes FEMINISM literally, as in acting more feminine and that being okay for men. There's tons of intersectionality with the LGBTQ+ community, the black community, and men. Actual feminism isn't "women's rights" modern feminism is promoting human rights and human decency with the understanding that our current issues are a result of the problems caused by the patriarchy. Beyond that, your comment IS objectively ignorant. Woman haven't achieved anything close to equality in the West. They literally just lost their right to healthcare. Women are dying and being imprisoned for their completely natural, biological functions (having miscarriages) in the United States. Women with autoimmune diseases like lupus and psoriasis are now banned in certain states from taking the only drugs that alleviate their symptoms (like methotrexate) because they *can* be used as abortifacients (things that cause abortions) even though they're not even pregnant. Meanwhile men with the same conditions can take that very same medication with no restrictions for no other reason besides they are men. There are NO alternative medications. Methotrexate is the ONLY drug capable of treating many autoimmune conditions. So regardless of your opinions on abortion, women are demonstrably being denied healthcare by a metric EVERYONE agrees on. But I digress. Abortion is healthcare. That is an objective statement. It is settled science. It is not debatable. Until this objective fact is acknowledged by laws and rights, women DO NOT have equality.

-3 u/Rfg711 16 Feb 2024 18:24

Modern feminism is *not* a female supremacy movement. You were banned for that obviously loaded bit of bullshit

8 u/alpha-bets 16 Feb 2024 19:49

He is entitled to his opinion based in his observations. You cannot say he is wrong without providing evidence against it. And that sub mods are proving him right. Serious conversations are hard conversations.

3 u/DblThrowDown 16 Feb 2024 20:54

LoL it most certainly is.

4 u/Fickle_Look9546 16 Feb 2024 22:35

After scrolling through TikTok and seeing hundreds of misogynistic videos from ‘modern feminists’, it’s hard to say that the meaning of it hasn’t been tainted over time. Definitions DO change over time, and I am a feminist in all the ways it used to mean, I believe in equality, sometimes so much, my partner calls me an idealist at times (though I believe it can only ever be an idealist that will be able to fix everything). But many of the louder voices these days wearing the tag ‘feminist’ these days have actually made me feel sick to my stomach. I mean, they are only the female equivalent to Andrew Tate, so it’s not like we don’t have Male versions, but both of those sides make me fucking sick, and neither of those sides will benefit either gender in the long term. These are just the differences I have personally witnessed and experienced recently, and I have noticed a change in how frequently I stumble across it.

1 u/Least-Media 17 Feb 2024 16:02

> After scrolling through TikTok Fuck outta here with that bullshit.

1 u/Agreeable_You_3295 18 Feb 2024 14:57

You should try talking to actual women; you might learn something.

A comment thread where I defended Feminism and its ideals... got banned for "misogyny"

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