Ya'll going to go down as the Neville Chamberlain's of the modern era. Appeasing authoritarianism, conquest and genocide because...... wait I'm actually not sure. It sure as shit isn't to spend the money to help American's. Voted no on the border bill to stop the migrant crisis that is apparently existential but also worth waiting until after the general, against universal healthcare, against social security, and the list goes on.
Also as an FYI on the economy. Growth is up, wages are rising above inflation and production is increasing with the jobs added nearly doubling the expected number in the last report.
[Gas prices are below 2014 levels](https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=pet&s=emm_epm0_pte_nus_dpg&f=m) and [inflation of food is well and truly back under control](https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/food-inflation).
Not only is inflation of things like food back into the desired 2-3% range but [wages are above inflation](https://www.statista.com/statistics/1351276/wage-growth-vs-inflation-us/) which means that while prices are still going up (as they always do), there is an effective price cut as people are earning more than the price increase.
What do you mean there shouldn't have been inflation on food? There's inflation on everything, always. The Fed tries to keep it between 2-3% and it was back to 3.1% annual average in Dec after being as high as 6.4% last year. There are many potential reasons for the inflation, a lot of which stems from the upheaval of Covid which turned supply lines on their heads and had a lot of people hoarding cash as spending dropped. Once everything opened up again, there was a lot of people looking to spend and not enough supply to meet the demand so prices go up. The same is the case or gas prices. It takes time for the market to react to the ramp up in demand for fuel once people started operating normally again.
The point is that things are improving rapidly. High job creation, higher than inflation wage growth, inflation coming down to the desired level, productivity increasing, low unemployment, stock market climbing...
This is why we need individual bills. They didn't vote against the border bill they voted against the sending more money to Ukraine which is why they bundled it to get to scream THEY DIDN'T WANNA FIX THE BORDER!!!
[This is all the Republicans doing](https://apnews.com/article/congress-ukraine-border-security-zelenskyy-bf932727abd5e8ff3cf5c9c848a3cf78). It was them that demanded the border bill be included in the Ukraine bill. The Dems said ok and worked with the Senate to get border provisions included that continue construction of the border wall, provide a hard cap of people that can cross with the border shutting down if it breaches that. There was also big funding boosts for the border patrol. The deal was even endorsed by the Border Patrol Council who has been heavily critical of Biden.
Also the bill wasn't killed because of Ukraine funding, it was killed because [Trump told them to kill it](https://www.politico.com/news/2024/02/05/border-bill-trump-00139584) because he wants something to run on. He is gambling with the border for his own politics but he will need all 3 chambers to get anything passed. If I were Republican, I wouldn't want to be rolling the dice on such an important issue when you have a standing offer that gets you a majority of the way to what you want. The only person this helps is Trump (as with anything he does). For further proof that it isn't Ukraine that is holding up this bill passing, here's a quote from the [Washington Post](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/02/13/senate-republicans-forced-issue-ukraine-aid-now-comes-hard-part/)
>Every Ukraine funding vote in the House has received at least 73 percent support. Ukraine funding opponent Rep. Andy Biggs (R-Ariz.) reportedly acknowledged Tuesday, “If it were to get to the floor, it would pass; let’s just be frank about that.”
"Growth is up" because the government spent insane amount of money last quarter and took on massive debt.
What authoritarianism? The only authoritarianism lately has been from the Democrats.
Conquest? Putin attacks other countries when Democrats are in office.
Genocide? Where? You mean when Arabs tried to kill all the Jews?
Universal healthcare would be a nightmare for a country as large and as unhealthy as the US.
Social Security is a ponzi scheme and people would be better off if they could invest their own money.
Wages are not above inflation.
Jobs have only been up lately because the government has been hiring like crazy. Full time private sector job numbers have decreased like crazy.
Literally everything you said is wrong. EVERYTHING.
Take a deep breath my dude.
Growth: Spending went up 0.8% from the 3rd qtr to the 4th qtr so I have no idea where you're getting this "insane amount" of spending from. That aside, the House is controlled by the GOP and they have yet to pass a budget resolution other than continuing resolutions.
Authoratarianism/Conquest/Genocide: The authoritarianism that I'm talking about is Putin's authoritarianism that Republicans are currently deep throating. The latest case and point was Tucker and his fawning tour of Moscow and propaganda interview with Putin. I also don't give a fuck who is on office when Putin decides to invade. What I do care about is Republicans being content to give him everything he needs to succeed, a fractured West. It's abhorrent. The genocide I was talking about was also in reference to Ukraine. The Russian authorities have set up a systemic process of removing Ukrainian children from there homes and taking them to re-education camps to 'Russify' them. Again, this doesn't seem to bother Republicans.
Healthcare: Universal healthcare would not be a nightmare for a country the size of the US and it doesn't have to be a single payer system as proposed by Bernie. All you need is a public option that provides a floor for care. The US is already the highest paying nation per capita on healthcare. Why do you think a system that works for literally the entire developed world wouldn't work for the US?
Social Security: Some people would be better off investing their own money but a lot of people wouldn't. Social Security is a good way of ensuring people aren't left to rot after finishing their working lives. It's a social investment but i'm not particularly hung up on it. There are other ways
Wages are absolutely above inflation. Since the start of 2023, [wages have been outpacing inflation](https://www.statista.com/statistics/1351276/wage-growth-vs-inflation-us/#:~:text=U.S.%20inflation%20rate%20versus%20wage%20growth%202020%2D2024&text=The%20rate%20of%20inflation%20exceeded,wages%20grew%20by%20five%20percent.)
Jobs: [The private sector is doing just fine](https://www.cnbc.com/2024/01/04/private-payrolls-added-164000-in-december-beating-expectations-adp-says.html). Also it's not surprising that the public sector has taken more time to return to hiring after layoffs during Covid.
>Never Trumpers would rather have WW3 and a Great Depression than admit they are wrong.
I mean Trumps the one trying to scuttle NATO. While the US and Russia are weak China will strike. You're doing this to yourself. Sincerely a former soldier.
Remember when Reddit mods threw a fit and started banning anyone who disagreed with vaccine mandates? They'll ban you for even participating in subs that aren't far left leaning.
Most are literally the scum of the earth.
Florida's dean of medicine got banned from Twitter for "misinformation" and all anyone had to say was "Florida dumb..." People think that social media employees ARE the scientific authority.
Flordia's dean of medicine was a political appointee who is basically a hack with no real qualifications who got his job because he didnt mind DeathSantis' hand up his ass making his mouth move.
Not a great example.
thats the sub that powermod moderates who is an actual manbaby, i remember he had a comment telling people to not criticize mods or they will be banned, his comment has 6k downvotes
This is nothing I get banned from subs I participated in just for participating in another sub. I could be calling people on /r/libertarian ignorant and stupid and some extremist clown /r/liberalmemes or something auto bans me. Totally disturbing behavior
Honestly that kind of behavior should be banned.
Context:
A video from this sub, r/interestingasfuck, showed up in my feed. It was in German, so idk what he was saying, but it looked like a guy making a Nazi salute and saying something (joking or not, idk) in front of the police and then getting arrested. I said half jokingly "Idk, arresting someone for speech seems like a Nazi thing to do." I quickly got permabanned from this sub I've never interacted with before.
This dude, likely the top Mod on that sub, thinks supporting someone's free speech (which yes, I'm sure is less protected in Germany but I support it anyway) means agreeing with them. They also seem to get off on 'Nazis bad'. Like, of course they are, there's nothing brave or groundbreaking about shouting that you hate Nazis.
Anyway, I think the Mod is stupid, the sub is stupid, and 99% of the time reddit as a whole is stupid, all of them sharing a love of censorship.
There's specific laws in Germany about that type of bullshit, just like there are for other things in the US and other nations.
And calling anti nazi actions nazi like is just... cringey apologist/sympathizer territory.
The way you responded to it just doubled down on being a clownshoes idiot.
>And calling anti nazi actions nazi like is just... cringey apologist/sympathizer territory.
You're the same as the Mod... Supporting free speech means supporting others rights to say things, even if you don't agree with them. It's not a hard concept to grasp, even if you don't agree with it.
Freedom of speech: The right to express any opinions without censorship or restraint.
That's how Google defines it, referencing Oxford, and that's more or less how I understand it. Please tell me how your definition differs.
In the U.S and many other places there is a whole host of exceptions that follow. Hate speech, promotion of violence, to name a couple, are in the rulebook in the U.S.
It also only covers government entities, so you are no in fact entitled to free speech with respect to your neighbor or any other private entity.
US doesn’t have hate speech laws. There are laws against inciting violence, but the bar is really high and the speech has to go beyond simply promoting the idea of violence against a group of people. I can literally legally say “we should go back to gassing the Jews” which is both hate speech and promoting violence, yet it is protected speech.
Freedom of Speech is in the context of the government, not private bodies ala businesses or people.
Let's try this: Since downvoting lowers viability of a post, if you downvote someone you are violating their freedom of speech via a form of restraint. Similarly, if you report them you are also doing so. You can never downvote or report someone ever again.
Nore can you ever retaliate for anything anyone says to you, or anyone anyone says about someone you care about. It is their right to verbally harass your loved ones and if you do anything about it you are violating their freedom of speech.
Let's see you stick to your guns.
Well, the video was in the context of the government (German gov in this case). As to your other point, I'll quote my other comment:
>I'm not an absolutist, but I think we need more free speech than we have now. The nuances need to be discussed, but espousing hatred, even blind/ignorant hatred, should be protected in my opinion, provided it doesn't cross the lines of threatening violence or targeted harassment.
Oh goody are we in for a lecture about how TeChNiCaLlY ThE fIrSt AmEnDmEnT….
Free Speech, as a concept, means saying what you think and letting ideas live or die on their merits without the need to censor. If your ideology requires careful trimming of ideas and concepts to survive, it’s garbage.
There's a difference between saying "We're better off with less \_\_\_ people" or "I'm going to eradicate \_\_\_ people". For a less polarizing example, replace '\_\_\_ people' with 'rapists'. The former is an opinion (in this case, a good one) and the latter is a threat (also, arguably a good one).
As I said in another comment, and I quote:
>I'm not an absolutist, but I think we need more free speech than we have now. The nuances need to be discussed, but espousing hatred, even blind/ignorant hatred, should be protected in my opinion, provided it doesn't cross the lines of threatening violence or targeted harassment.
The Germans have never run a successful liberal democracy without adult supervision from the US - like in their entire history.
Maybe we shouldn't view them as the model?
The nazi is an idiot. Getting arrested for being an idiot is idiotic.
It's like weed related arrests. It's pretty pointless and stupid. Being a dumbass publically should be the only recourse in matters such as these. As the consequence is everyone laughing and berating you.
You can be anti-nazi and critical of the response. It's called, not being an authoritarian simp.
Do you sincerely believe that if a group says they oppose nazi-ism, but proceeds to mirror their tactics, they are immune from comparison? Because of their name? I hope you’re smarter than that.
Why do people call things "half joking" and "tongue in cheek" when they clearly actually believe them? You believe that arresting people for speech is bad even if that speech is Nazi speech. Own it and stop hiding behind the "half joke"
I'm not saying I don't believe that; I do. I just meant that I said it half-heartedly at the time. The sub/video showed up on my feed while I was powerscrolling and I typed it without any real thought/intent except that it was kind of funny.
Yea arresting someone for search is bad even if it is something extreme as Nazi speech. People were allowed their opinions but that doesn’t mean they are allowed to physically act on them.
I'll be frank, you ***were*** kind of a cunt in your rebuttal. When you open up with 'y'all can blow me', there is zero chance of a productive discourse and muting you was the most reasonable course of action that mod could have taken.
Fair point on the blow me comment. However, I still think responding then immediately muting is immature/cowardly. That's like yelling out of your car at a pedestrian, then speeding away.
>However, I still think responding then immediately muting is immature/cowardly.
That's classic move by mods around these parts. They can't stand being wrong in any way.
Ok now I get it. You were suggesting it was a nazi thing to silence the speech of an actual nazi sympathizer. This meant the mod probably figured you were defending nazis in an ironic fashion.
I understand how you weren't functionally doing that but also understand why they would think you were.
Banning without questioning, investigating or maybe even warning first is just so common on this platform. They have no time for any of it but a kneejerk and arbitrary judgment. Its partially the platform's fault in the way these mods are set up.
Yes I'd also blame the culture these days, equating free speech as a dog whistle to say retrograde shit.
Lastly this entire phenomenon reminds me a bit of the prison guard experiment. Give someone a tiny bit of power.....
Reddit mods and redditors love censorship. Saying anything that could be a conservative view is an easy way to trigger them. Truth doesn't matter here, only popular narratives.
Libs don’t like it when you correctly mention they’re behaving like NaZiS because they think anyone that disagrees with them is one and that’s what they call them. You ran into one that’s a mod.
Not using Darkmode when you post screenshots should be a ban-able offense... j/k
Getting banned for trying to actually debate something seems to be a running theme. not sure how people become mods, I think it has something to do with getting a free lobotomy.
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Well you clearly are not promoting nazism. But look, free speech is not absolute. You don't get to shout "BOMB" in an airport. Making yourself look like you ally with some of the most evil people ever is asking for trouble.
I'm not an absolutist, but I think free speech is important and we need more than we have now, not less. I don't know the most efficient way to draw the line. Definitely a direct call to violence/harm is a no-no. Harassment is too ambiguous, but obviously you don't want people to be able to target/bombard individuals who are just passing by on the street. A false immediate threat like shouting 'bomb' or 'fire' should be illegal.
There are a lot of nuances that need to be addressed/discussed. However, I don't think 'hate speech' should be forbidden, assuming it doesn't fall into threat/harassment.
I typed a nice response, but it glitched or something. In short, I'm not an absolutist, but I think we need more free speech than we have now. The nuances need to be discussed, but espousing hatred, even blind/ignorant hatred, should be protected in my opinion, provided it doesn't cross the lines of threatening violence or targeted harassment.
I don't see how you can spout that level of hatred without the violence being directly tied to it. Nazi level hate is near the highest level you can get.
Honestly, defending Nazis sounds like a great way to get banned from any community of reasonable people.
And Germany has laws about Nazi shit for a reason. They thoroughly educate their children about what happened and forewarn against any repeat, and part of the prevention is the banning of any and all public displays of Nazism.
If a sovereign democratic state that was previously the world's most common synonym for evil wants to, as a collective society, make it absolutely clear that this sort of behavior is unacceptable that seems just fine.
Freedom of speech doesn’t equal freedom of consequences. You thought it was funny, they didn’t. And since they’re the arbiter of their community they have the obligation so to speak to ban you. Idk just seems like a low effort “but muh free speech” baloney.
Also all speech isn’t technically free, see “hate speech” etc
Generally yea free speech is freedom for consequences of that speech lol? Very bad point there. That is of course outside the laws that regulate it like hate speech. Also what he said wasn’t even false, because arresting people for dissenting opinions was something the nazis did
I mean, it really isn’t but if you believe that, I won’t stop you.
Yeah, and getting banned on Reddit for something you said equates to a how nazi germany operated in the 30s and 40s. Like, I get the point, but there are better ways to get your point across.
Those are legal consequences enforced by the state, as opposed to social consequences which are typically just retaliatory expressions of free speech by others using the same free speech doctrine.
This isn't fucking hard. It never has been. Free speech doesn't give you the right to say stuff with the guarantee that someone else won't call you a cunt for saying it.
Fair point, I forgot what was being talked about and read your comment in a vacuum since it sounded a lot like the usual Schroedinger's Freedom talking point, and I missed the context entirely because the other guy made it sound like we were talking about so-called 'cancel culture'.
In this instance, yes, Germany doesn't have free speech when it comes to Nazi stuff. Whether you agree or disagree with it is another topic, but that's a fair and factual observation to make.
Anyway, my bad.
It’s them getting the last word in and then muting, it’s a pussy way out. If they just banned him after the blow me comment, then yea he had it coming. But it’s such a bitch ass way to do it
Nah, they went out of turn
Op - make dumb comment
Mod - bans op
Op - says blow me and dumb lib or whatever
Mod - Their retort
Mod - mutes
shoulda let OP reply, otherwise they literally said their reply and ran away like a bitch. Got their last word in then pussed out. Fn cringey af
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