Facts that don’t align with what ever drivel that doesn’t align with that echo chamber’s narrative will get you banned. Such is the case with most leftist subs. The moderators all need to have a collective unbunching of their panties.
I slept on Lower Decks because of how disappointed I have been with every other modern Trek. I'm very glad I gave it a chance though, because it really does feel so much more like Star Trek than the rest.
It's just nice to be back to the classic space western. Like or dislike discovery, it's a drama more than anything. It's the same reason Picard isn't for me. Lower decks does have the standalone feel of each episode, but SNW deals with heavier topics (the anti Illyrian racism arc comes to mind) just does things perfectly as far as I'm concerned.
When it has as many seasons and tng, tos, or ds9 we can have this conversation. It's way too early to judge. So far it's had a great run with some of the best episodes we've had in decades. Imo it's also had one of the worst episodes in trek last season.
Oh my jesus, I made it through 2 seasons of Picard but I couldn't do a single episode of Lower Decks all the way through. I even found them insufferable in the crossover Strange New Worlds episode, wouldn't have finished it if it weren't for my wife watching with me.
You either are going to HATE Lower Decks because it's everything that Star Trek fans complained about, owned it, and became its own thing.
Or
Love it in the fact that it's its own Trek and embraces of what it is.
> You either are going to HATE Lower Decks because it's everything that Star Trek fans complained about, owned it, and became its own thing.
Nope, I just hate it because I find both the writing and the voice actors annoying. I'm not somebody who gets all bent out of shape over what star trek "should be".
That's kinda the problem I have with Lower Decks. It's like Rick and Morty, but set in the Star Trek universe. I just don't care for it because it isn't Star Trek to me.
>It's like Rick and Morty, but set in the Star Trek universe
All I gotta say is when Tori in TNG was transformed into a cake, that was the funniest shit I've seen.
Yeah, I used to participate a lot on that sub. Once discoverey came out you were instantly trashed if you didn't support the show. You could criticize every Star Trek series you want, except for Discovery. If you said the first season of TNG was garbage, no issue. If you said the first season of Discovery was garbage you were suddenly "being too negative"
I really enjoyed the first season but I think the plots got worse each season after. And don't get me started on exploding space magic dilithim crystals... I didn't even bother with seasons 4 and 5...
Season 1 discovery was something else. The writing team was clearly in need of experience, and the plot required that some court martialled women be way too important because they...Court martialled her.
Don't get me wrong, TNG wasn't great either with the writing, but at least Wesley wasn't making decisions for Picard!
Haha, I think "perma-banned for negativity" could be a badge of honor at this point. It's like these subs have a list of approved opinions, and as soon as you deviate, it's the ban hammer for you. Guess its easier to hit ban than to actually engage in discussions.
Yup. We can't have an intellectually-honest conversation about how SNW violates the TOS characters...it's a permaban if you even suggest that the creatives at current CBS/Paramount have no clue what the franchise is or how it's supposed to work...
It's funny but of the **NEW** strek stuff, I enjoy strange new worlds vastly more than a lot of the other stuff they made. I think Star Trek Prodigy, the animated children's show is much better than the live action stuff though.
At least that makes sense in why it doesn't feel like federation star trek, mostly because it isn't. Just a group of alien children, escaping slavery from a found federation ship and learning things on the go.
> That’s because discovery was a leftist attempt to inject propaganda into Star Trek.
If you don't like leftist political star trek I'd also steer you away from TOS, TNG, DS9, etc.
That is some kind of a joke. I’ve watched Star Trek since I was Three. And while episodes occasionally touched on political issues, it did so in a way that was tasteful and occasional. NOTHING like the constant barrage of left wing pandering that you see on discovery. You will never see so much time in an episode taken up with psychological drivel and snowflake level emotional nonsense. It’s like it was written more as a political statement and less for entertaining science fiction. You must work for a school or college, that kind of snooty leftist behavior is typical for one.
Star Trek was conservative: it was rooted in the unchanging nature of man, be they hooting hominids on the plains of Earth throwing rocks at prey, or civilized spacefarers. Money, power, lust, war: These were the constants, and Star Trek knew they’d be here forever, unlike leftists. At best we could find enlightened, savvy ways to avoid the pointless fights. But some people only understand a photon torpedo up the dorsal vent port, and we’d best be prepared to deal with them. The Federation, after all, had something called General Order 24, which called for the total destruction of a planet’s surface if the civilization was considered a threat to the Federation.
I mean, that person is right, Roddenberry himself said that TNG was the closest to his vision, and I find nothing conservative about it… the show celebrates diversity, secularism, intellectualism, academia, even progressive sexuality… respecting other cultures that have different views than your own and exhausting every other peaceful solution before violence… I’m not hating on conservatives but these are not what I would consider conservative values
The show also celebrates expressions of patriotism that leftists would typically consider “toxic” and a regimented military life that liberals would consider “oppressive”. Force is used as a solution on many occasions that a leftist would never approve of. And if you watch the original Star Trek, the womanizing barfighting Captain Kirk is not what I would call a liberal minded guy. I believe the Pelosis of the world call it “toxic masculinity”. And the border to the Neutral Zone, what about “open borders”?
Yeah, Kirk also had the *first interracial kiss on national television*, I mean that’s… pretty woke dude. Your argument that Star Trek is somehow more conservative than liberal in philosophy is just completely outweighed by evidence unless you cherry-pick super hard. Idk maybe I am misunderstanding your argument here.
I’ve generally enjoyed and agreed with the principles of the shows and movies… that would actually make me a conservative if you two are right. So either you are wrong and I’m not “leftist”, or the values of the show are mostly liberal, and… you are wrong. Ipso facto. You kinda walked right into that one
Not sure I put DS9 in the same category as the others. . Religion and Gods play a huge part, it's got a more dark message about the failures of star treks utopia, and the only reason the good guys win is by using genocidal bio warfare. That's after they commit treason and more.
It's a heavy deconstruction of Roddenberry socialist views in a lot of ways.
DS9 does get dark, but its message about religions generally wouldn't vibe with most peoples. The religious figures were pretty evil and the gods were just manipulative aliens.
It's not nearly as left wing as the others, but it still holds that the utopia is something to be strived for. You also have some of the most queer stuff and they address racial and economic justice issues head on like when they go back in time (pick either the Sci Fi writer episode or the poor riots episodes).
Also, you know, Black captain.
There's no way that DS9 isn't woke.
>The religious figures were pretty evil and the gods were just manipulative aliens.
One religious figure, Kai Wynn, is evil. A few of the priests occasionally do bad things, but the other major characters including Vedek Beryll, Sisko, and Opaka are very much good.
The prophets themselves are manipulative (so is everyone), but I don't think they're manipulating as shown as evil. Just very blue and orange morality. They don't see things as we do, just as the Bajoransx vulcans, Tellerite, etc aren't exactly human morality.
I also don't think "striving for a utopia" is exactly a standard for proving leftist writing. It's just to..broad.
I will grant they tackled racism, and famously PTSD. I don't think that makes them leftist though. Just human.
I had the exact opposite experience on r/startrek. When Discovery came out it was nothing but shitting on it, and I got tired of all the negativy and left.
Yeah, a lot of people were complaining during season 1 but they were all weeded out eventually. Eventually people just got sick of the bans and the muting and constantly being attacked for not liking the show.
If a contaminated bee enters the hive, it is summarily evicted. So you could identify members from a distance, contaminate them away from the hive & maybe that colony dies out, maybe the replacement opinion survives, but it would never host oppositions and be at peace.
I enjoyed the far future timeline aspect and the spore drive was a cool way to get around warp lane deterioration. But the show is especially preachy, like more than any other star trek in its overt preaching. It detracted way too much from the intent of star trek. I mean just look at how TNG dealt with gender identity issues it was much more nuanced with Riker's love with the nonbinary alien species. Hell, I even enjoyed the Oriville's take more with Bortus's child. But for some reason, it felt like every single episode of discovery is just so damn preachy they never let the moments breath or let the audience discover the message themselves its always just so God damn overt.
Same shit happened in /r/starwars when the sequels came out. Holy shit, those were the worst of times for that sub, I had to unsub and filter out the sub. I still fucking love star wars, maybe not much of Disney stuff, but the old republic stuff is still my love from legends. I can not stand the sub anymore because what the sequels did to the community.
Same thing on a Warhammer 40k sub happened to me, got banned for saying the Tau are a totalitarian racist dictatorship and the Enclaves are the only group I’d consider joining, to which someone responded with “The Enclaves are a military dictatorship!”.
I got banned for pointing out they’re also the only faction where a common-born human has rights.
I've been on the sub and with the amount of blatant "Tau didn't know what a titan was till the mountain move closer tee hee" garbage, I really don't believe you got banned for bashing tau.
I like dsc. Season 1 and 2 is classic trek far better than most of TNG.
Season 3 and 4 is when they went too annoying with all the therapy talk. Like I don't want to watch characters do therapy. That destroys escapism and rewatch ability.
But season 3 and 4 had some amazing moments. Particularly the lore building with the Trill, and the portrial of species 10-C is incredible. It is like Picard and Dathon at El-Adrel.
The first season tries waaaaayyyy too hard to be funny and does that way too much. Seasons 2 and 3 are toned-down significantly and are comparable to TNG at its best. No joke.
Yep, you could tell the first season was trying to sell the show to executives, but the next seasons you could actually tell how much Seth McFarlane loves Star Trek.
1.) You idiots call anyone who disagrees with you a right winger. 2.) You refuse to read when people back up their side with facts and sources. 3.) You claim to be accepting, yet not only do you reject most people from your cult, but you're also brainwashed hypocrites. 4.) You don't even listen to what the other person is actually saying. 5.) You like to jump to personal insults quickly, which makes your point moot. 6.) You demonize people, even those with incredibly similar ideals to you. Your will is as fickle as dust in the wind
1. The opposite of left is, in fact, right.
2. You don't 'read' YouTube videos and AM radio stations.
3. The paradox of tolerance is a social contract, you can't tolerate intolerance.
4. It's hard to process statements that are self contradictory.
5. This isn't debate club.
6. see 3.
I pointed out some paramount shills, who deleted their entire account. Mods banned me. r/StarTrek where corporate marketing is fine, pointed it out is not.
O and don't forget when right as reddit IPO talk started happening they came for the subreddit that was more than 10k strong r/star_trek which only existed because they banned SO many people and it got it shut down. r/startrek mods should be ashamed for not understanding the material they claim to love.
I watched the first season to try it out. I thought it was horrible. They lost me at the time traveling, warp speed capable suit they built. In my opinion it was just lazy writing. I have a few friends that have said the same thing, I have friends that like Discovery. We're all still friends, some of us just have differing views.
I get it, different strokes. But the pacing is bad, the overarching story is always stretched paper thin, the characters are forgettable, and Kurtzman's writing room thinks they're writing for star wars. The show isn't smart and has nothing to say. Strange New Worlds is better, but the only series to do trek well right now is the Orville.
Idk, not as as speedy as my ban from a tankie sub by mentioning Animal Farm. Didn’t even say it was anti-Communist, I said it showed how a good society built on protecting the people can be easily subverted while still claiming to be good.
Was autobanned for a week within minutes, then extended to permanent a few days later.
I don't really know where I fall on the political spectrum, or at least not on the popular political spectrum. I just know I find a lot to be desired with a lot of conservatives in my current circle of people than some of the more liberal leaning ones.
I fall right where the American Founding Father's stood. Just enough government to keep things like interstate trade and travel running smoothly, and that's about it. Most everything else is governed by the individual States and localities, and the people themselves. Basically, how we governed ourselves for the first 120 or so years. That is what we were supposed to be conserving; not the ability of Congress to create a nanny welfare state. I haven't been a Republican basically ever, just an American and everything that was supposed to mean. The Democrat Party has been entirely subsumed at this point by groups that actively hate the ideals this country was meant to uphold and strive for.
Amen. About 95% of what the FEDERAL government does isn't called for in the Constitution. And Republicans are to blame, too. Maybe not as much as leftists, but they're no without blame. But the Democrat party is now a full fledged global socialism party.
It's like I say, Republicans aren't doing much to repatriate you with your freedoms, but Democrats are the reason they've been eroded in the first place .
Always the lesser of two evils, and the libertarian party will never get their shit together so we gotta try to reform one of the big ones into something not completely idiotic
If it doesn't fall under the 18 Enumerated Powers listed as being the purview of the Federal government, any law passed by Congress is an illegal act that violates the Constitution and the will of the people.
Exactly right. Article 2,section 8, I believe it is. But be careful, brother. I just got a permanent ban from WhitePeopleTwitter today. I've never visited their sub. Not once. But I'm banned. Any viewpoint that contradicts theirs is censored. You just might get a ban ,too. Oh, the horror. We wouldn't be able to cite founding documents and history, for fear of offending a fragile mind.
Close. It's Aeticle 1, Section 8. And I could care less. I have Reddit to play College Football Risk and to look at Warhammer miniatures people have painted, and lurk on lore pages. I follow some outdoor and prepping reddit, but that's about it!
I like you already. Sorry I got the article wrong, I tried to do it from memory. The only thing I follow is First Contact. It's a web novel by Ralts Bloodthorne. If you're into Warhammer, you'll absolutely love that series. But be warned... It's pushing 1100 chapters now. It's set after both Combine and Imperium.
No, but it didn't massively grow the size of the Federal government, which is what I was talking about. There were definite cracks thar were beginning to foreshadow what was coming around then, but it wasn't until the first 10-20 years of the 20th Century that government exploded under the Fabian Socialist, Woodrow Wilson, and then later under FDR. LBJ was the nail in the coffin.
>I fall right where the American Founding Father's stood. Just enough government to keep things like interstate trade and travel running smoothly, and that's about it. Most everything else is governed by the individual States and localities, and the people themselves.
Yeah except that wasn't how the Founders envisioned it. *Some* of the founders felt that way, they were in the minority. Federal Supremacy v State Supremacy was an issue from literally day one.
>Basically, how we governed ourselves for the first 120 or so years.
Uhh.. whut? We barely made it 70 years before Federal Supremacy was clearly established by the Civil War.
It would help your position if you had even the slightest clue what the fuck you were talking about.
>not the ability of Congress to create a nanny welfare state
Governing for the common good was literally one of the very few things that all the Founders *actually agreed on.*
Including such nanny-state things as mandatory quarantines on pain of death, mandatory innoculation (precursor to vaccination), and forcible taxation via violence/death (within 4 years of the founding).
You have such a patently ahistorical view that i can only assume you're taking the piss or just massively fucking retarded.
Trying to "conserve" being the only developed nation that enshrines "fuck you, i got mine" and lets its citizen die in the street of preventable disease while capitalism literally ruins their fellow citizens makes you a fucking steaming pile of un-American shit.
Honestly, I'm a classical liberal, but I don't see many politicians that want to bring back Brittish Common-law in Canada as well as a number of other things.
Other way around. The Overton window has shifted so far to the Conservative side that Democrats in the US are Center-Right anywhere else in the developed world. Our Far Right are basically political neandertals. US Conservatives have more in common with fascist dictatorships.
Yeah, a large portion of my family used to be Republican and are still conservative, but they left the Republican party a few years ago because “There’s not even a platform anymore, all they do is oppose anything the progressives support.”
Yeah, it's sort of sickening how that attitude made everything a political team sport. Like how the fuck do you make the Super Bowl about Biden vs Trump?
The biggest thing I remember (this was after they’d left, but what made them sure they’d made the right decision) was how Republicans didn’t want to fund the Ukraine war. Like, they’re not only a democratic state fighting against a brutal dictatorship, which alone is reason to support them, but by supporting them, we’re actively screwing over Russia, which is our biggest enemy right now.
The fact the Republicans were actively sympathetic to Putin and the Russian dictatorship was what made them firmly cemented as refusing to support the Republicans.
I just don't get it, honestly. If you asked me a few years ago which party was going to end up simping for commies, I'd have given you the completely opposite answer.
What's next, if the Democrats finally get over their irrational hoplophobia, will the Republicans pull a Reagan and become the anti-2A people because we can't have those scary minorities being armed?
I wouldn't even say that. They are in lockstep with most of the radical ideologies. They just say it in nicer sounding platitudes and then vote for just about everything the progressives want. It's one big uniparty, and none of us are invited. There might be 50 elected "representatives" in the entirety of the federal government that actually try to do their jobs. The rest are bought and paid for by the rich and powerful and corporate interests.
I like to tell the Reagan would get primaried out today (if he would even want to be identified with them at this point, but that’s a conversation for another day)
Reagan was fairly adaptable, but honestly he'd probably do just fine I think. He definitely ticks the racist (CRT or whatever) box off, He called African people monkeys in the UN while talking to Nixon. He was almost certainly not a fan of LGBT. He created the abortion angle himself when he allied with Christian evangelicals.
He definitely loved his big business and no regulations motto. Also low taxes, high spending, that's all him baby.
The current China/Russia situation is backwards to what he said but that's the cold war era. Presumably he'd shift on that if it meant winning.
It was also very easy to get a lifetime ban from Parler, or a ban from Truth Social and X, if you go against the right-wing narrative. Or whatever you want to call Elon’s narrative; it feels like it changes based on his moods.
Lies. Got banned from X for some innocuous crap in exactly the same way it happened before Elon. He's fooled a bunch of morons into believing that he actually did something to loosen the Trust and Safety left wing bias...all he's done is made a la carte requests to unban certain profiles. Literally everything else is the same.
I got banned from X the old fashioned way: someone challenged me to come for their guns. I told them I’d toss a grenade in first. Sometimes I fail at subtlety.
I got banned from X and I don't even post, well at least I didn't and still mostly don't. I just used it to follow a few people and every once in awhile like. I went to make a reply one time and found that I couldn't. I started a case to ask why I was banned and was immediately unbanned. It was strange.
Not really. I find them way more lax compared to leftist subs. Fun fact I got banned from whitepeopletwitter cause I got someone’s account permanently banned for threatening to kill me by reporting to admins. “Harmful to the community”. Lmao
I don't think it's just a political thing, I think it's a reddit echo chamber thing, I've been banned from liberal subs, leftist subs, conservative subs, all for minor disagreements(I'm a leftist), and I've even been banned from r/gym, none of these interactions were hostile or against rules, just simple disagreements.
White people Twitter is a typical liberal sub, it's not leftist btw
Because a few obvious newbie lifters were trying to argue that you don't have to rest muscle groups, like you could work chest two days in a row, and still have optimal results, and I said "this sub is an absolute joke", and then I was permanently banned and the moderator messaged me saying "if you think this sub is a joke, I hear r/gregdoucette is perfect for useless whiny babies". And then I said "lol why did you get so butthurt over calling the sub a joke, that's hilarious". And then he muted me. Lol.
Fun fact, i got banned from conservative reddit for refering to God as "Sky Daddy". It was a light hearted, or so I thought.
Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
Reddit doesn’t care about mod action provided they haven’t harassed you or made threats. They only care about harassment/violence and will ban you immediately if reported. I just report ppl in 2 seconds and later Reddit notifies me they’ve been permanently banned. You’d be surprised how quickly redditors attack you if you have a dissenting view from theirs. And In my experience it’s usually the left.
I mean I'm aware of it, definitely. What's funny is when mods only delete my posts, for an obviously made- up reason, ONLY after they attack me and I dismantle their arguments.
Reddit’s policy is “we don’t want to pay for moderation” so as long as subs are open so they can make ad revenue, they don’t really care what the mods do.
lol conservative will ban you for the SLIGHTEST hint that you’re not 100% in line with them. I got banned for quoting a real, unaltered Donald Trump quote simply because it implied that he may not know what he’s talking about
I just got banned for commenting here that their sub has some nerve for calling someone immoral for disagreeing with their opinion.
This is how you know a shithole is a shithole
I mean, it’s “easy” to get banned from any sub if you’re enough of a dick.
But if you’re disagreeing respectfully, you won’t get banned from there. I know because I only comment on there to disagree with people, and they haven’t banned me.
Whereas I got instantly banned from about a dozen subs after the first time I wrote a comment on r/conservative, even though I was arguing with them
I literally just got banned just now because I wrote a comment in here that it takes some nerve to call someone immoral because they have a different opinion from you.
Clearly you’re wrong.
Know how easy it is to get banned from r/askreddit?
Just say you think that gender surgeries shouldn’t be done on anyone under the age of 18 due to the long term ramifications of health care and that kids under that age aren’t mentally mature enough for those kinda decisions.
It's part of being a voice in an echo chamber. I'm sure they are very quick to ban people over there. But you have to also figure, they're probably getting trolled and targeted constantly, as the vast majority of this website has differing opinions.
Seriously. Everyone is talking about leftist subs being echo chambers, but my first ever perma ban was from r/conservative for saying gas pricing is more complex than the president setting it high to be mean.
Except i havent been banned from there and im libertarian. Cant say the same about the part time dogwalkers at r/whitepeopletwitter or r/politics. Or all the subs that ban for being a part of r/politicalcompassmemes
I got banned because someone told me I could never thrive in a socialist society.
I told them I'm doing quite well, I make over 100k as a trades person, drive on public roads to work, take a crown corporation ferry and drink municipal water and have access to universal healthcare and my children go to public school.
Yeah, it’s not even “conservative” anymore, it’s “My specific brand of MAGA Christian ideals, with reliable sources being Fox News and One America Network.”
Unfortunately that sub becomes a sounding board for the extreme Left to judge anyone who is not also extreme Left. As usual the results are brutally inaccurate but that won't slow anyone down.
Ya you can be conservative as all hell but if you support women and abortion in the slightest little way - YOU'RE FIRED
There is a difference there between fiscal and social conservatism for sure
Economies always do better under dems, it’s fact. Just because republicans also want to do nothing about climate change doesn’t make them great at economics. It’s cool if you’re republican but it’s pretty embarrassing to pretend like you’re in it for strong economic principles when it’s obvious to everyone who can look at a graph that until this point in time that is historically untrue and you just look kinda ignorant.
If an economy does well under dems its in spite of dems not because of them. For example the oil industry. Joe immediately put thousands of folks out of jobs on the keystone and shut multiple areas down for drilling. Gas skyrocketed not much later.
Minimum wages through the roof for burger flippers etal. Burger joints pass that on now it costs $30 for a couple to eat at McDonald's.
The absolute only reason Bill did so well was a tech bubble and subprime mortgages started... and folks who couldn't afford the houses started building the houses. It was all gonna crash and did eventually.
The list goes on.
Every political subreddit has certain schticks that are nonsense to those outside the echo chamber.
Everyone pretends like they are the exception and its never true
Literally every sub is like this.
It's very easy to get banned from conservative or any other right-wing sub as well If you don't go along with their narrative too. It's pretty funny how many left-wing subs I'm banned from for being to right wing, and banned from right wing subs for being to left-wing.
Let's be honest about it at least
Only insofar as you do as you're told and don't have time to ask questions. I disengaged from politics, news, and most social media 5 years ago. My life and spiritual development has grown exponentially.
While this is true, a lot of people won’t even go on conservative subs. My understanding is that as soon as THE conservative sub finds out you ain’t conservative: Ban.
They'll ban you for being conservative lol. The conservative sub will often ban you for criticism of Trump, while condemning the same behavior you criticize trump for.
They do the same for a lot of people. Getting banned from rconservative is easy, but staying unbanned can be a damn challenge because while you know what they hate always, you never know what they won't hate.
I'm literally a libertarian socialist who wants like 90% of the stuff they do and socialism\_101 banned me for "Liberalism" because I suggested Biden is better than Trump and that they should take 5 minutes out of their oh-so-busy lives, I'm sure, to vote for him over the alternative. They. Are. CLOWNS.
You definitely understand my critique of them then! Sure, Biden is fundamentally not socialist, but plenty of Marxists just want a collapse (though they won't say it) so they think not voting or voting for Trump will somehow end well for them. r/Socialism_101 was hijacked by Marxists and if you believe in free market socialism or anything less than the eventual ABOLITION OF CURRENCY, you aren't good enough for them (read their pinned post). I genuinely despise these anti-electoral do-nothing pricks with every fiber of my being for how needlessly-divisive and immature they are.
Hey, dipshit, it's him or Trump. I don't like it, you don't like it, but if you aren't voting for Biden as a left-leaning person you're literally doing exactly what MAGA wants and fuck MAGA.
Bit aggressive for someone trying to convince a voter imo. And wrong too, but that’s the way a lot of people see things so I won’t hold it against you. MAGA *wants* Joe Biden as the nominee, I’ll tell you that much.
Have a nice day.
You're trying to convince me to NOT vote for the most liberal candidate with any chance of winning in the 2024 general election for president. You may as well be MAGA, and I'm not falling for your fake politeness because it's manipulative bullshit with the intent of changing my mind. Fuck you, and I hope you're called out on what you're trying to do every time you do it with the same intensity until you leave everyone alone.
Bro I don't think you understand the Marxist position on voting in a bourgeois democracy. We don't advocate for voting for trump or Biden, we usually advocate for voting for the closest thing to a workers party, such as PSL or maybe even the green party depending on the candidate, but at the end of the day we don't view American democracy as a democracy at all, instead it's just a choice between two sides of the ruling class, both are sworn to uphold capitalism and the rule of profit, and as Marxists you can see how we may be against voting against our ideology and interests.
I mean how can you even argue it's a democratic process when we have the electoral college, campaigns are funded by huge banking and health insurance institutions, and weapons manufacturers, and we end up with two horrible candidates that no one wants, and you get publicly shamed if you even bring up the idea of voting for a 3rd party in line with your goals because we're constantly urged to "vote against fascism".
We prefer to spend our time organizing workers, unions, mutual aid groups, etc.
You don't have to agree with me but atleast understand our position before telling others what our position is.
How is that blatantly not true? Not a sarcastic question I am guessing you have specific set of things you’re thinking of in how RFK is not a liberal when he kinda text book from 30 years ago. I would love to get a genuine response. I am not intending to sound aggressive.
Why does it have to be more complicated than the left prefers candidates that don’t have to apologize to the Holocaust museum for antisemitic Holocaust denying remarks?
That isn’t even REMOTELY true.
https://www.axios.com/2023/06/22/robert-f-kennedy-jr-rfk-2024
He’s a staunch anti-vaxxer (conservative belief), he was opposed to social distancing and masks (another conservative take), he spoke at Moms for Liberty events (an alt-right group), and when he announced his candidacy as an independent, it *pissed off the GOP*. Why? Because they concluded he would steal more votes from the GOP than the Dems.
He’s not even remotely liberal.
The funny thing about Marxist accelerationists is that they think the collapse of society will bring about a socialist revolution. When in reality it will likely just lead to mass violence and a fascist dictatorship.
A lot of online socialists treat their ideology like a social club. They're not trying to make society better, they're trying to flex how ideologically pure they are.
Idk man Biden is much more socialist than Trump and I don't think Trump is automatically a collapse, I got my concerns about Trump but I still think out of all the candidates for pres hes by far the best choice aside from Vivek but that ship has sailed. Overall I found Trump to be a C+ pres after a long line of F presidents, anyone here can critique me all you want but no new wars with plenty of attempts to keep peace, a generally good economy and some pretty good memes. Is he the best president not by a long shot but better than everyone else running absolutely. The country is so divided though I don't think it matters who is elected one side will be so skeptical of the results nobody will accept the winner, it was 4 years denying Trump was the president, it was 4 years of denying Biden, Democrat or Republican it doesn't make a difference, likely outcome is a collapse unless there are some serious deals being made I don't see any Democrat making a deal but I can see Trump making a deal.
No such thing as libertarian socialist. It’s an oxymoron.
Libertarians want vastly limited government. Socials want government to control basically everything. You can’t be both
I can see how it would work out. Socialism is not government control, it's an economic system where all industries are owned by those who work in them. Like Co-ops. It gets rid of the people who do nothing but sit on their ass and skim off the top.
Just to be clear, I have no interest in debating if the system would work well or not. I'm just saying it may not be contradictory.
It is 100% contradictory. Show me 1 socialist government past or present that isn’t a totalitarian nightmare.
Libertarians support ideas like mutual consent between private parties, property rights, free markets, captialism. Government should only exist to protect the individuals life, freedom and property.
Socialism shits in the face of all these beliefs.
Nice try but they are capitalist countries.
Quote: “Lars Rasmussen knows better. As Danish Prime Minister, he declared in 2015, “I know that some people in the U.S. associate the Nordic model with some sort of socialism. Therefore, I would like to make one thing clear. Denmark is far from a socialist planned economy. Denmark is a market economy.””
Full article:
https://fee.org/articles/don-t-call-scandinavian-countries-socialist/
You are right. However, there is no such thing as a " Socialist" country, a "Capitalist" country, or a "Communist" country. There is a spectrum of economic arch-types ranging from absolute Communist on one end to absolute capitalist on the other. No countries exist on either end of the spectrum. They are all somewhere in between. Even each state in the US is different in the amount of social ownership of utilities, etc. So, actually, there are no Socialist, Capitalist, or Communist countries.
You can't name demsoc countries as positive examples because that makes liberals mad. All successful socialist countries are actually capitalist, and all successful socialist programs that liberals agree with aren't socialist, in fact calling social programs socialist is what republicans do.
C'mon man, you should know better that! Socialism is when bad.
How does innovation within that industry? Who owns an improvement on an old idea that disrupts the market? Should Cabbies all get an automatic share in Uber and Lyft
If you’re not interested in debating then don’t post. You didn’t give any good examples of how it may not be contradictory. You just tried to mic drop an opinion as fact then tell Reddit to not debate you. Go start a blog.
I liberally stated why it wasn't contradictory. I did not invite a debate in whether or not it would work as I am not claiming to be a socialist libertarian. Get some reading comprehension.
My original question was about innovation within the systems that are being discussed, in part because it high-lights an obvious contradiction. I thought this was obvious enough to not have to spell out. Innovation, IE expansion of IP/Patents that are working would appear to be dealt with very differently within the two systems discussed. I was hoping with the example I was giving that you would say something that would highlight a more specific example of how it was not contradictory. Instead I got snark. To which I replied with my own snark which is now devolving the conversation and not my intent. I can always use more comprehension which is why I asked a question in the first place. Good luck to you.
How about a system where most private employees purchase stock in their publicly-traded employer with a certain percentage of their income each year, while said employer contributes additional shares of ownership up to a certain threshold?
I don't think that would be enough to count as socialist unless all companies, public or not, had the same employee-share system and the working employees as a collective must always have greater than 50% ownership in shares or something like that.
Those sound like some rather specific non-libertarian rules, but okay. Just imagine that in order to hire a receptionist you had to hand them $200,000 in company shares along with their first $1500 paycheck. I don't think anyone would want to hire you and I, and I don't see this being workable without government force.
The whole point of libertarianism is that trying to organize a group of people into a single monolithic society or economic system requires government force to rope in our abuse the people with different wants and needs that don't go along, and that voting to use that force against your neighbors (or possibly worse, random strangers on the other side of the country from you) is immoral.
The closest to lib-soc we could achieve is a system that *allows* for socialist-style worker ownership of the means of production, which I pointed out we sort-of already have, and wouldn't differ greatly from ordinary libertarianism.
"I need the government to lower taxes because I want to buy more company shares and own my own work" isn't *politically* much different from "I need the government to lower taxes because I want to replace this piece of shit car." However, "I need the government to force my employer to award us more shares so we can vote out that CEO prick at the top" is not libertarian at all, but it is socialist.
You could phase in ownership. Anyway, cooperative and employee owned companies already exist so a model could be made off of one of those. Plus, for larger companies the amount of shares given to new hires would be a small fraction. Arguably the company would also have a lot more money to pay employees with when there is nobody at the top siphoning off funds.
Employees working together doesn't seem to me to fall under "monolithic society." I would argue that there is little difference between a powerful federal government telling you what to do and a powerful corporation (that owns your job, house, town, or whatever) telling you what to do. Socialized ownership of companies solves the second issue and provides leverage against the first.
They are free to do what you’ve suggested in capitalist/libertarian economies. If it’s beneficial then these companies and private individuals should thrive.
I think what you are suggesting is employees and companies are forced to partake in that structure, which is usually the bottom line of socialist structure, the advocates insist that everyone use their stupid system cos they think they know best for others.
I'm no friend of the Libertarian party. They're right-wing imbeciles who want to take away any and all regulations and call it freedom. The "libertarian" part of what I consider myself is more reflective on the amount of control a government should have and in what way, not the size.
Before you criticize my view, I know this would be VERY difficult to achieve, but my ideal government would be one which has as much power as possible to stop oppression, whether that oppression is through businesses or individual people, with little power to prevent individuals from doing what they like as long as it doesn't harm anyone else - basically giving them UBI, healthcare, public transport, education, etc. and otherwise staying out of the way. In particular I want a focus on civics, free thought, media and financial literacy with the average person being given the freedom and mental headspace to take an interest in society at large to improve it. I believe that individuals, unhindered, tend to know best about their own situation and that the government should help them achieve their potential while letting them take the reins. Everyone's an artist until rent is due.
That’s a long way of saying you’re a left wing imbecile 🙄
But in all seriousness, if you think universal basic income and free healthcare is libertarian, you don’t know anything about libertarianism.
I don’t claim to be an expert in libertarianism, but I know their core principles, and any form of socialism is a coercive government, and that is in direct opposition to libertarian views.
You clearly don't understand. Implying that it can't exists suggests you think you are some sort of expert, otherwise, you wouldnt be so confident. Like I said, libertarian socialism is an actual thing. "Libertarian" isn't exclusive to how right wingers define it. Libertarian is simply small government with a focus on rights. You know the difference between negative and positive rights?
Negative rights are about freedom from coercion, positive rights are about freedom from having to convince other people to voluntarily give you what they produce.
Rights in general are coercion. Coercion is necessary to enforce rights. So right off the bat, you have no clue.
Secondly, what you produce you for debate. Socialism by definition exists because people disagree with how you define "what you produce" and how you produce it.
Anyhow, if youd stay focused, libertarian socialism is a real thing with a real Wikipedia page. Look it up.
No I just don’t understand how somebody today can use that phase together with a straight face. Socialism is impossible without an imposing government.
>Socialism is impossible without an imposing government.
That's what libertarian socialists claim is false. They think decentralized groups of workers can control the means of production. They might be dead wrong about that, but the view isn't self-contradictory. Different socialists have very different ideas on the role of governments in their ideal non-capitalist society.
No, there's no contradiction in thinking that a stateless society, or a society with a very weak and limited state, could have the means of production controlled by decentralized groups of workers. That's what libertarian socialists have advocated, ever since the term 'libertarian' came into political theorizing. It might be foolishly utopian, but it's not self-contradictory.
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I’ve listened to several debates with this guy. He not as pro socialist as you may think.
it’s not about the government simply doing stuff, the problem libertarians have with socialism is when the government coerces one group of people to provide for another group of people.
A small government doesn't mean non-existence. This is like arguing that democratic socialism isn't a thing because they'd have to enforce everything with an authoritarian government.
Unless your an anarchist, capitalist or otherwise, government does exist and the definition of small is pretty loose. Presumably the government would provide security for the collective agreement.
Every "demsoc" state that exists today is still just a capitalist state with a strong social safety net. I get what you're saying, yes monarchism exists, but it takes a large state in order to control market forces and players. It's not a simple task enforcing that, which inherently requires the threat of violence from the state, which negates the point of libertarian socialism. But I'm stupid and I don't read theory so I'm probably wrong
Progressive doesn't automatically mean socialism. It means someone who wants progress.
Teddy Roosevelt was a progressive, he damn well wasn't a socialist in any way shape or form.
It’s not an oxymoron. It’s basic political history. Libertarian Socialists are the original Libertarians. The philosophy was founded by left-wing libertarians seeking to maximize liberty 100 years before the more modern ancap adjacent right wing libertarianism that you’re referring to, gained traction.
There are plenty of solid arguments from right and left wing libertarians that attempt to maximize liberty.
Meanwhile I got banned from Libertarian because I thought folks like you also deserve to be part of the conversation.
(And because they be power tripping harder than when RightC0ast was mod)
Eh, I'm not offended by Libertarians not liking me, but thank you for your support. Similar-named ideologies with very little in common don't usually mix. "National socialists" don't belong ANYWHERE NEAR socialist circles after all!
Ah, well... There's a degree of similarity in the anarchist direction, but I will agree that that is it's own divisive conversation.
Plus, y'all had the name first.
> I'm literally a libertarian socialist
That's the biggest oxymoron out there. I'm curious how do you blend two polar opposite ideologies? Libertarianism is about freedom, not forcing people to do things, and minimum government intervention. Socialism is about intense government control, mandating almost all actions, and maximum government intervention.
I mean it, I wasn't one of the ones downvoting you, I'm genuinely curious to hear how you consider those two ideologies compatible.
I explained it in another comment.
"I'm no friend of the Libertarian party. They're right-wing imbeciles who want to take away any and all regulations and call it freedom. The "libertarian" part of what I consider myself is more reflective on the amount of control a government should have and in what way, not the size.
Before you criticize my view, I know this would be VERY difficult to achieve, but my ideal government would be one which has as much power as possible to stop oppression, whether that oppression is through businesses or individual people, with little power to prevent individuals from doing what they like as long as it doesn't harm anyone else - basically giving them UBI, healthcare, public transport, education, etc. and otherwise staying out of the way. In particular I want a focus on civics, free thought, media and financial literacy with the average person being given the freedom and mental headspace to take an interest in society at large to improve it. I believe that individuals, unhindered, tend to know best about their own situation and that the government should help them achieve their potential while letting them take the reins. Everyone's an artist until rent is due."
Yeah. Insanepeoplefacebook banned an old account of mine because I made a joke about a Bible verse and hypocritical actions by church followers. They banned me for misinformation. When I appealed, the mod called me stupid.
Deleted the profile, I do that from time to time. I can't provide. But damn, I really should have thought of that. I was so annoyed that I blocked the mods.
Lol. Conservatives make their own versions of social media for "free speech" or "free thought" reasons and then immediately ban anyone not conservative enough. Echo chambers are everywhere, not just on the Left. Reddit conservative subs love to ban too, you just wouldn't know it because of your alignment.
If anything, I'd argue that most Left subs don't ban enough Trump supporting morons :)
R/consoomproduct, r/european, r/fatpeoplehate, r/frenworld, r/nonewnormal, r/physicalremoval, r/thedonald, r/tumblerinaction, r/uncensorednews etc.
I can’t be bothered to look up the proper spellings, but those are just a few, and there are many more. Reddit as a site is the worst I’ve seen in regards to censorship. Hardcore pornography and grotesque fetish content? Perfectly fine. Have an opinion right of Bernie Sanders? Banned.
I think the difference is that the conservative subreddits are meant to be politically conservative. other subreddits aren't specifically about them political left. might be difficult to grasp that difference.
It's not overtly intended to be unless you listen to the dog whistles. Switch it out for facepalm or any local sub and things are handled the same way. These subs with heavily left wing moderation are just not up front about what they truly are, part of the effort to normalize radicalism.
Imagine being so delusional you try to compare leftist censorship to conservative censorship. Like comparing a waterfall to a slow drip out of a faucet that wasn't closed all the way. Or a raging wildfire to a lighter. Unreal.
As a leftist myself this is true. And I am usually not welcome on leftist subs. I will be labeled MAGA for anything I state against their narrative or even the slightest agreement with conservatives.
That brings me to question if these are truly "left" or just taken over by the libtard establishment machine.
It’s because the sub is controlled by non-anarchists / lifestylists. The inherent way a subreddit has to be run makes it so bad actors with too much time on their hands run things.
It’s weird man. I’m concerned about government censorship of whistle blowers, journalists, and state surveillance. I’m just ad harsh on the right as left but if you see the value of guns or think hunter Biden should be held accountable for the drugs and gun charge your a righty
What subs are you visiting? The ones I’ve seen will fall over themselves to say that Hunter Biden should be held accountable. They just don’t really care much about him and think it has no bearing on his father.
I mean, don't blame us that so many yall motherfucks are nazi traitors, we ain't made you do that lol
But the term is "rightist," not "righty." "Righty" is just what rightists imagine leftists would call them because they love the word "lefty" as it jibes with their 4th grade lexile level
Yea. True. Most leftists are not liberals, tho they like to call themselves that. I would have considered myself center left a few years ago, strongly pro 2A but also strongly pro legalization of weed, very live and let live overall. My views haven't changed but now I am considered "far right" by the mainstream Left. Liberals are/were pro free speech, anti war, pro 2A. These modern Leftists are none of those.
Same here. Most lefties hate me because I don't blindly believe all the crap the crazies spout. Even asking them questions turns into you being a nazi, Trumper, or transphobic.
That happens to me as well; I imagine my username doesn't help either. I voted for Biden this past election but I am obviously MAGA and every kind of "phobe" that ever was simply because I like to question narratives... especially narratives I generally identify with.
The one thing that informs my voting more than anything else is Never Vote Incumbent. I voted for Trump in 16, Biden in 20, and it's going to be Trump again this time. I don't like any given party or person having power for any sustained period of time.
If after everything Trump has done you still vote for him then maybe you should consider why you’re being lumped in with the MAGAs. They’re outright Nazis and you’re more concerned about incumbents when Trump is telling everyone he wants to bring down democracy.
Counterpoint: Biden objectively has serious mental/cognitive decline. I noticed it before the last election and still stuck to my Never Vote Incumbent principles.
You are proving my previous point with the over the top hyperbolic rhetoric like
>They’re outright Nazis
>he wants to bring down democracy.
Remember, I live in Alabama and Never Vote Incumbent; who do you think I end up voting for most of the time? That doesn't matter though, you aren't satisfied just demonizing your political opponents, you have to do the same to everyone who votes for them. It's pathetic.
Wow you’re reading a lot into my post.
I agree that Biden has some cognitive decline. But he’s much more sane than Trump.
You’re not even supporting Nikki Haley, a non incumbent who has never been president. Unlike both Biden and Trump.
[Nazis demonstrate in front of TN Capitol building](https://www.fox29.com/news/masked-demonstrators-wave-nazi-flags-in-front-of-tennessee-capitol) They’re flying Nazi flags on the building. Sure, some GOP congressional leaders later denounced them online. They have the majority in the Tennessee Legislature and didn’t have this hate group forcibly removed.
[How Trump has allowed Nazis into the Republic Party](https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/trump-nazis-white-supremacists-kenosha-charlottesville-very-fine-people.html)
Trump may not be openly fascist, but he has encouraged them to support him. The Proud Boys, the Jan 6th insurrectionists, klan members. They all find a home within the MAGA party.
Trump can’t even speak an understandable paragraph. His cognitive decline is substantially less than Biden’s.
He’s obviously a puppet for Putin and the Christofascists who are pulling his strings.
I’m not demonizing anyone. MAGA is out and proud and tells everyone about their views and who they willingly associate with.
I’m from NC and live here. Being Southern isn’t a reason to vote Republican either.
So says the guy who argues things like "Andrew Jackson and the trail of tears were good for native Americans".
You're just a dumb piece of shit who blindly parrots white supremacist nonsense' and you're so fuckin stupid you think you're smart.
And you're so fuckin' weak you think that you're oppressed.
You weak-ass little faggot crybaby.
A great many on the Left have an almost insane hatred for anybody from The South. I find it funny how they will use all kinds of stereotypes and slurs for them, yet will admit they had never been there themselves.
I used to get a lot of insane feedback like that from them when I lived in Dothan and identified myself as that was my location. Never mind that I am actually from Los Angeles, does not matter. A lot of them actually seem to think most Southerners drive pickups, wear Klan robes on a daily basis, and have all married their sisters and live in trailers.
I have been getting it from them for most of my life, as my career choice was serving in the military. Which almost all of them have an almost insane hatred for. And yes, I had even been sworn at, spit at, had garbage thrown at me, and other such crap in cities like LA and Baghdad by the Bay.
Which I find particularly funny as those "Big City Liberals" have almost never lived anywhere but the big cities. Yet throughout my life I have lived in almost a dozen states and in three countries in addition to the US on two other Continents. In everything from huge cities like LA, to small towns of less than 3,000 people.
They largely live in bubbles of their own creation, and are almost completely oblivious to any others not in their bubble.
An even crazier addendum to your earlier point about them generalizing the south so much and hating them, is that that's where the majority of African Americans are. The people they claim to be helping..
I grew up in California and moved to Tennessee recently, I'd never met so many black people in my entire life! And not only that, but ALL of them are so much more polite and respectful than the few that I had met in Cali. It's insane the difference.
Funnily enough, I'd also met more racists in California than I have here. I see more interracial couples and friend groups here too. Idk man crazy. All the shit I heard about the south was dead wrong lol.
That is another huge stereotype that is amazingly wrong.
I have been studying the Neo-Nazi movement in the US for decades, and want to know what a lot of them have in common?
Robert Matthews and "The Order". Bufford Furrow and the North Valley Jewish Center shooting. Richard Butler and the Aryan Nations. Samuel Woodward and the shooting of Blaze Bernstein and four others between 2017 and 2018. John Earnest and the Poway Synagogue shooting. All of the above and a great many others were by such individuals from California, primarily Los Angeles.
They try to pretend such hate does not exist in their own areas, and yet blame all of that and more on areas of the country they had never been to, and has nothing to do with it. About 15 years ago when I was in Alabama, the Klan tried to do a recruiting drive in Montgomery. And the funny thing is, the police were called and they had to protect the Klansmen from a group of white attackers. The Klan is far more alive in the "Blue State" areas of the nation than it is in the South today. And this is not even anything new, over 4 decades ago it was even a joke in the Blues Brothers movie. Where one of the main targets of Jake and Elwood was "Illinois Nazis", a real thing.
Sadly, most of the younger people do not seem to know about Skokie where the Klan won a Supreme Court decision to let them march in Illinois. Yes, even in liberal Illinois they have a large presence, far more so than they do in the South today.
A lot of the shit from California is just pure virtue signaling imo. I mean sure most people in Cali are decidedly left, BUT they don't really act like it.. if that makes sense?
I lived in South Cali probably about 2 hrs from LA for 22 years. Lots of white supremacy, the poc I had met were more stereotypically bad than the ones here (gangbanging, selling drugs, stealing cars, type shit (actually a little off topic, literally had a buddy that stole a truck and ran from police and fired at them, got himself killed obviously and I just feel bad cuz he wasn't smart enough to see through the hood culture he was raised in, deep down he was a good kid, definitely deserved better)).
Obviously stuff like that just reinforced stereotypes of both PoC being bad and white people being racist, which wasn't good. It honestly felt like everything in California was almost comically extremist but it was reality in California. And as I was growing up especially, (I'm 25) a lot of my peers hated or resented most people older than them MAINLY for political reasons which just never made sense to me.
Here in the south everyone is so much more laid back and I love it. Peoples perceptions of each other are more healthy and nuanced, they can get along with each other regardless of who they're voting for, it's nice.
Basically long story short, with how extreme everything is in California and with the sheer population of California, it's not necessarily surprising that a lot of liberals tend to see California as some kind of bastion of goodness while othering everyone else.
Sorry for rambling.
>And as I was growing up especially, (I'm 25) a lot of my peers hated or resented most people older than them MAINLY for political reasons which just never made sense to me.
And that is something I have seen as well. And side note, my youngest son is older than you are.
But the South has a very different culture, one that is foreign to many in the big cities. I was helping a black family in a computer store I worked at in Alabama, and when I asked the kid a question and he responded "Yea", his mom smacked him in the back of the head and said "You speak to that man with respect, you say 'Yes sir!'." I have also seen parents smack their kids for not standing for a lady or holding the door for them.
Those were the kinds of manners I was raised with (1960s-70s LA), but had not seen in many years. But down there, that is still expected and parents will quickly correct their kids if they think they are being rude.
And to be honest, I largely reject most things political. One of my friends labeled me a "Militant Moderate", which I think is actually pretty accurate. I do not hold strong to either political party, and reject the extremes of both.
To be fair the "just asking questions" crowd is usually populated with a bunch of disingenuous grifting nazi, trumpers, and transphobes (massive overlap in those populations btw), so it's not uncommon to be met with immediate resistance. My only advice would be to establish clearly that you are asking in good faith (if you are), because many aren't
This same experience is also happening to conservatives who are too afraid to speak out against the far-right narrative. They fear being shunned or otherwise disowned by their friends and family.
Surely this phenomenon has a name? A glaring example of the echo chambers formed by the far-side of each party.
The basic idea on this subject is that “society marches leftward over time”. As left is good, not left is bad, if you don’t keep radicalizing leftward, you are bad, and will eventually get sucked into the Nazi Vortex like the rest of us.
I saw someone who said it was more accurate to think of the right left 4 quarter grid chart as a globe. Once you go far enough left, you’re very close to the very far right.
‘As a leftist myself’ spoken like a true leftist Ha!
I hope you were just being moronic? This is not a left nor right issue but more over a human issue, specifically when dealing with groups (sub Reddit’s).
Group mentality rules, going against the grain will get you downvotes and saying something completely against the groups collective morals will get you banned!
So no it’s not a left and right issue it’s just human nature and how it plays out in groups.
For instance go to a PlayStation or Xbox sub and say something amazing about the rival platform. Left and right would assume political bias but going to one of those gaming subs to comment removed the political aspect, groups just don’t want to hear anyone’s opinion that doesn’t reinforce their own beliefs!
I get the general idea of your argument but all lefty and righty will say
>This is not a left nor right issue but a human issue
when the issue matters to them.
If I state anything like opposing wars/genocide/occupation or question the COVID origin on these "lefty" subs which are actually being nothing less leftist than to blindly follow the narrative would cause ban?
If I go to pixel forum/sub and mention "I wish pixel phones would have xyz feature" I don't get banned.
So Xbox or PlayStation forum if you say the rival is doing better in certain aspects why should one get banned? I don't think that is the case in these forums.
I experienced that recently. Was banned from a sub and called a white supremacist because I said something about the Dutch didn't torture Eritreans in the 19th century. It's a fact of history, they simply didn't, but stating that fact makes me a Nazi, despite my mixed race children lol.
No shit? Are you an actual real “leftist”? or are you just liberal?
I apologize and am not insulting your intelligence but I see the term “leftist” incorrectly used all the time. Mostly on the right.
As a leftist do you actually believe that all property ownership is “theft”? Do you believe the sole purpose of capitalism is to facilitate greed and “enslave” people? Are you opposed to all private enterprise and believe only the state should be allowed to control commerce?
Shit man. This is how I feel. I’m very much libertarian, left socially, and also have no clue anymore lol.
But as soon as I say any thing I’m a MAGA nazi. Ngl sometimes I throw in a “MAGA 2024” cause they flip the fuck out and my dog and I laugh.
The worst is when people rabidly attack you for pointing out a factual inaccuracy in a post, when you completely agree with their position, and simply don't want to make it appear weaker by associating it with lies
You are few and far between. Conversation is not in the leftist playbook anymore. Its just scream like a child until they get what they want. Any evil is fine as long as its for the moving towards what they want. Its sad
Weird isn’t it? Reddit liberals seem like the most hateful close minded people.
I’m pretty politically neutral. Strong 2A supporter, pro life, not religious, don’t care who you sleep with or identify as.
I’ve always found the right to be a lot more accepting of my views even if they don’t perfectly align with theirs, where as the left seems to absolutely hate anything that doesn’t perfectly fit within their echo chamber.
That being said, this is mostly on Reddit. Most of the left leaning folks I know IRL are pretty politically laid back
This happened to me recently. I loathe Donald Trump, but said he's not yet a *convicted* rapist, because criminal conviction of rape comes with a minimum five years in prison in New York, but he's walking around free. He was found liable in civil court after being sued. I was accused of supporting fascism or some such nonsense.
it's pretty funny to me that you can confidently say "as a leftist" and none of the Top Minds in this sub will even question it. After a tour through your post history, you're *at best* a centrist libertarian. Leftist? Bullshit.
In general anything I bring that doesn't fit the liberal establishment narrative that the label or the Russian bot label is quick. And I mean even suggesting alternatives would get down votes (not that I care)
I have been called so many buzzwords or put in one camp or the other from every side its got me confused, I wake up in the morning to get ready for work and I just look at myself in the mirror brushing my teeth asking myself "who are you?"
Left/right-winger: oh no we got one of those people that can agree with takes from the other side better start calling them all the things I have been taught to call the opposing side!
I am just out here on the internet lost as hell, I just want the OG Homestar Runner back ya know? Not this merch pushing Homestar Runner acting like he isnt different. WE KNOW HOMESTAR, WE KNOW YOU KNOW YOU ARE NOT THE SAME ANYMORE.
Leftists sub? This is a reddit-wide problem.
R/conservative notoriously bans people for the dumbest shit. Sounds like MAGA moderators need to unbunch their panties. Which seems more fitting since the MAGA leader is a dude who wears makeup and heel lifts.
I think its fine that r/conservative bans, and I think its fine that r/liberal bans. Those are subs that are overtly for one side. The problem is that there are dozens of subs that either should be toward the middle or really shouldn't be political at all that are to the left of Mother Jones
Go post a factual statement like “Trump is lying about being cheated in 2020” in a conservative sub and see how long you last. You definitely wont make it far enough to cite the 50+ lawsuits all thrown out, the recounts and audits all confirming the vote, or the many admissions from the likes of Powell and Rudy that they never had any evidence evidence from the start.
Uhh, r/conservative will ban you for even politely complimenting a Democrat or criticizing a GOP plan.
Let’s not act like left-leaning subs hold a monopoly on butthurt mods.
lol, there are people on this thread openly sharing their stories of being banned from that sub. Your opinion doesn’t negate their real bans. And I highly doubt what you consider to be a “liberal” is actually a liberal.
I got banned from r/conservative after one comment literally just saying that I don't think regulations around guns and cars are or should be comparable, for the stated reason "trolling".
Hilarious because I've only had this kind of thing happen to me on conservative subreddits. Reddit in general has a bunch of softies, it ain't exclusive to any side.
Moderators being able to silence any differing (or even neutral) opinions doesn't help, either. I think that's also part of why some subs start off reasonable and devolve into increasingly extreme echo chambers. It's increasingly tiring using this website and I don't wonder if it's time I delete it and just focus on bettering myself, ya know?
I don’t know how right wingers successfully brainwashed people into thinking they aren’t also touchy snowflakes lmao
It’s *very* easy to get banned from right wing subs if you don’t agree with them.
The right wing subs do the same, it's simply human nature. They don't want to keep getting pinged by someone they want to exclude from their community.
Which to me is fine, but I honestly feel like it would be a better burn to let someone reply all they want and just ignore them and leave it unread.
Same thing happens to leftists on r/Conservative or by mentioning Tiananmen Square on r/Sino. It's like we all live in echo chambers feeding us curated content to sell us advertisements.
Yup. They don't want to admit that guns aren't the problem. People are the problem. If everyone had an assault rifle, we could stop mass shooters as soon as they start shooting--and no one would have to die. The god damn Libs! Disgusting that they don't want more guns in our society. Guns are the only path forward! The throne of Blood shall never rust!
Uh, try r/conservative for a minute, they are really quick with the ban hammer for anything they don't agree with you.
See, it isn't a "left or right" thing. It's a people thing. Quit trying to implicate one side being better than another. They aren't. People are people
Yeah, right wingers never censor opinions they don't like.
Only those evil leftists.
Fucking please.
Moderators gon' moderate and that means becoming power hungry assholes who block all reasonable discourse to create an echo chamber.
The whole front page of reddit was Trump voted worst president ever. Don't like him either but I'm not an extremist and know others were way worse. People bringing up massacres and the trail of tears were down voted and belittled. Reddit is a propagandist shithole. There is a reason r/watchpeopledie is banned but you can watch Russians and middle easterners get their heads blown off in HD.
The echo chambers are equally abundant on both sides. Fun fact: My user name has a 2 in it because my original 12+year old account is trashed because of the mods in the main conservative sub and I’m registered Republican.
Lol most leftist subs? Conservative subs will ban you in a heartbeat for saying anything they don’t agree with lmao.
This isn’t a political thing, reddit mods on both sides of the political spectrum are powertripping clowns
Either side does this. Call out r/banpitbulls on their bullshit and get banned, call out r/walkaway on their bullshit and get banned. It's why I just use throwaways now.
Same with the right.
Its almost like it's an extremist issue... And get this lol... Responding in the extreme puts you in one of those camps.
That's how it works. Why not just say "such is the case with any extremist / just leave it at an echo chamber? Making it a point to showcase a specific subgroup just make it look like you have an agenda.
That sub literally banned me for commenting on this post. It was immediate. Fuck those fascist, delusional psychopaths. Their sub is garbage. It’s a circle jerk echo chamber of the dumbest people.
Everything you just said applies to many subs, Left/Right/Center/Other. But, you know, do whatever makes you feel a little better regardless of facts/truth, I guess. Tilt against those windmills!
Uh have you ever been on r/conservative there's no quicker place to get banned. For literally anything that they perceive to maybe not be conservative. I got banned, different username, for quoting trump. Someone claimed he didn't say something and I replied "maybe he didn't mean it like this but here's the direct quote".... Banned for life!
All the leftist groups are hilarious, it’s a downvote mine or just asking for a ban. A few are r/facepalm and r/GenZ to name a few. Tons of leftists. Most groups on Reddit are infested with them.
It's def a big problem in left leaning spaces but also a problem with political discourse in general, the idea it's better to completely ignore and disengage with the other side is cancer, we lose the natural tension that can keep people more reasonable and moderate in their beliefs, we're left to slingshot ourselves into more and more extreme positions, so many assume the other take position x because they're simply evil or want the worst for some group
> Such is the case with most leftist subs.
You could just say subreddits. /r/conservative has a record like this if anyone asks questions they don't like. It's any echo chamber my friend.
In a broader sense, is it liberals trying to ban books? Nope it's right-wing echo chamber members.
It's not a left or right issue.
I got banned from some sub early in the pandemic when I said lockdowns weren't going to do anything except destroy the economy. Here we are now, 4 years later with millions dead from COVID and lockdowns didn't do anything except destroy the economy.
People don't like facts, left or right. You'll get banned from right-wing subs saying facts about Trump.
This also happens on the right as well on here. I was banned from a subreddit just for pointing out a lie and citing sources. When I asked what rule I broke, I was told I had to be a conservative to post. How does that say I am not a conservative since I didn’t post political content on Reddit?
Yep. I said something along the lines of "our country had every opportunity to pass the strongest immigration measures in decades, and Donald single handedly torpedoed it because he wanted to use it as ammunition to manipulate people not paying attention into voting for him", instant ban from conservative
I'll never understand the echo chambers, protecting people's manipulated minds with bubble wrap so none of their thoughts can be questioned
Meanwhule, gun fetishists ignore every shred of empirical data about the dangers and detrimental impact of firearms to propagate hero fantasies and other good guy with a gun narratives, so this is a pretty funny response by you tbh
Such is the case from most rightest subs as well. Mention that Trump is only in it for himself and you will get banned. Bring up hypocrisy and you will get banned. Echo chamber is echo chamber and they are not only on one side of then isle.
Awwww, sounds like someo e is butthurt they can't throw out a hard "R" or suck off their big ol' orange daddy without repercussions. Are you crying because your freedoms were trodden upon? 🤕😰
Same with all of the right-wing subs. Try criticizing Anything the GOP does in conservative or any similar sub, and you're snap banned.
Sadly, right-wingers like you are all dumb motherfuckers Incapable of recognizing that the problem is not partisan.
I got permanently banned automatically from /r Justiceserved because I commented on something in /r Conservative.
Nevermind the fact I called the guy on Conservative an idiot and aligned 100% with those mods, it was that I even added a conversation to the mix. Some people get a power trip for no reason. Have fun moderating your board for free, you fucking nerd.
r/walkaway mods did this to me when I posted the court documents showing that Trump was found liable for sexual assault by forcibly inserting his penis into E. Jean Carroll by a jury. This was in response to someone saying he's never been found guilty of anything. 🤷♂️
I would agree that people are being soft and stupid but you say "leftist subs" as if most people don't get banned from conservative subs after their first post because they literally allow zero discourse. It's been that way for over a decade. I haven't been able to have a reasonable discussion in a "conservative" online space in over 10 years because you will get banned. So just wondering why you called leftist subs out when it's quiet obvious that the other side of the political spectrum has a much larger echo chamber required for them.
Leftist subs? Try saying anything that doesn’t involve sucking Trump’s dick on r/Conservative and see how quickly you’re banned. The right wing subs have the biggest snowflakes on this entire site. You can’t even say the sky is blue if Trump has decided he thinks it’s a different colour that day.
I love it when they haven’t got their talking points from Fox yet - you actually get some people saying reasonable things that reflect the real world as sane people see it. Then the talking points get issued and it’s all up is down, black is white, lie after lie after lie in the face of reality.
I got banned from r/conservative and they submitted my IP to Reddit admins for ban evasion (which I didn’t do) because I disputed something that they were saying Trump did that was actually Obama.
Don’t pretend like echo chambers and general snowflakeness is uniquely leftist. Right wingers are notoriously fragile as well.
I was permabanned from WitchesVsPatriarchy when there was a post of a while girl practicing voodoo, a bunch of people jumped down her throat about cultural appropriation. I asked "would ya'll act like this to an asian girl practicing wiccan?"
Banned. I asked the mods why my question wasn't valid, they called me a racist and muted me for a month.
Got banned from Satanism for telling them that their whole "Church of Satan is the only real satanism and everything else is edgy fake crap" wasn't much different than any of the myriad other branches of christianity claiming to be the right one.
They muted me and then had a 4 day long conversation that I was unable to avoid about how much of an idiot I was. Had like, 3 messages a day of their back and forth in my inbox.
Honestly it's a good litmus test for where on this website really, really isn't worth your time.
Yep I got banned from r/therewasanattempt or something like that. For just stating that Israel and Palestine both played a part I'm this war. I asked why and they sent a bunch of links about how Palestine was the good guys. 🤦
I also got banned from r/doge for saying "I remember the 90's" on a post. The world is soft and let's face it if you're a reddit mod you're life is pretty sad.
Besides a few there are a few great mods. That do it to help out. I appreciate those guys!
i have to state that you not noticing it in just as many right leaning subs makes me feel like you’re speaking about the echo chamber you’re currently in
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I’ve been banned from every conservative sub on here for asking simple questions you guys on the right are so blind and ignorant you can’t see you and the left act exactly the same
Well, I can agree with you. I’m all for having a civil discussion. I’m actually more centrist, right leaning. And yes, far left and far right are tools.
It's sad that any sub that is not explicitely right leaning is left leaning on reddit. I've been banned from pokemon go for disagreeing with people complaining that niantic was "spreading covid" by pushing us to go play outside again in late 2021/early 2022, lmao.
How the hell does Pokemon get politicized? I mean I assume you go to that sub to discuss the game, and exchange ideas and hacks. Not argue about covid. That shit’s annoying. Sorry that they did that shit, dude.
Thanks. Yeah I asked that too, since I was saying that remote raids are still an option, and even if you went to the raid in person, you'd be outside, or in your car, and you could avoid getting up close with people, and they said I was a covid denier and that i'd never be unbanned. So I politely asked them why every month for 6 months. I find it despicable they can mute for so long (1 month at a time).I broke no rules and was talking about the game, but they are stupid and political, so c'est la vie.
Don't say Leftist subs when you know damn well each and every sub has a narrative you need to echo...trying to chop it up into sides just distorts the overall issue. I won't argue that neo-liberals aren't just the worst, they are, but don't try to pigeon hole it either as a Leftist issue, either. Every sub, every channel on tv or youtube, every website...they are ALL pushing their narrative and they are ALL happy to silence you
Leftists are pro gun, its liberals that are for gun reform. Even Marx said that under no circumstances can the proletariat be disarmed, and that revolt should be the answer to attempts to disarm them.
Yup. Fun run for the lions this year was nice to see.
I argued maybe the holier than thou approach when it comes to dog piling Deshaun Watson wasn’t appropriate and I got banned for being a rape apologist lol.
>Don't want to have a reasonable conversation so they just mute you for a month
Every fucking time too. They toss out their snarky insult and run and hide. I usually set an alarm and fire back when the mute is over
And they’ll unironically sit there and tell you how much they hate corporations and how underpaid people are.
These corporations are masters of psychology. They’re scarily impressive at having people constantly hate them and yet have the same people supporting their platforms constantly and throwing all their money/time to it.
This is why nobody felt bad for them and their dumb ass protests. And also why they folded immediately like a bunch of children the moment they realized their own fake power was at risk lmao
I mean, at least certain mods who are rightly well hated are now gone because they were completely STUPID in their blind unadulterated powerdrunk temper tantrums.
A certain awkward shelled creature and not so great nate come to mind...
Sadly it's not. Reddit (the company) operates by basically giving moderators fiefdoms. You can do whatever the fuck you want in your plot of land so long as you don't piss off the big honcho. And the big honcho says basically anything goes so long as it doesn't hurt the head honcho.
The user has no power, their little peasants in the system.
Most of these 'power-mods' are men wearing dresses, unemployed, and terminally online. The few times these mods and even an admin were revealed publicly, that's almost always been the case. Think about it: what kind of person has the free time to 'moderate' these subs full-time? Yeah..THAT.
Careful. If they click the report to admins button your account will be nuked for harassing them. Yes, that's actually how this works. You just haven't pissed them off yet enough to click it.
Oh friend, I've been banned off of all of reddit countless. It's why I put the account creation date in my user name. You're right though. I've gotten flagged for moderator harassment for just *asking* why I waa banned. Luckily the tech geniuses at reddit can't figure out how to stop a dynamic IP.
Yup reddit mods are the softest of snowflakes. I've caught plenty of bans on individual subs and all of reddit plenty of times though.
Pro tip: When they ban you from reddit, and you are on mobile, just create a new account, never confirm your email, and never connect to your home wifi while using the app.
They do that sometimes even for just asking why you got a ban in the first place. I caught a permaban once for just for writing "Which rule did I violate?". Literally nothing else was written to the mod.
Facts. Even worse if they're overpoliticised nutjobs, refusing to acknowledge any opposition. Be it left or right.
I got banned on r/de for calling someone 'Atze' \[Colloquial for 'Homie' in German\] in a discussion about taxation. I used a study they taught us at university, linked it and someone called me out for being a corpo suck-up and right wing nutjob. My response was 'Atze, was?' \[= Homie, what?'\] and pointing out how that wasn't the case. That I merely quoted reputable and legitimate studies.
It ended in my ban. After asking why I got banned, they made it obvious that it was because they disagreed with me. After asking 'what?' they deleted the comment and responded with a final 'Your comment was deleted, so we'll never know', followed by a permanent mute.
Said mods also got me banned in r/europe after defending the mods of r/europe in comparison with the arbitrary nature of r/de.
it happens everywhere.
I pointed out an issue with the Auto mod for r/gaming, they've muted me for 28 days because they refused to believe the issue was real, and that was directly after telling me to fuck off.
Moderators are worthless.
I got banned from the proAIArt sub for asking whether a person input a prompt or literally coded and then got banned and muted repeatedly every time I asked why!
And they didn’t even respond after the second time. I tried atleast a dozen times and the last time the just said they would get me banned from the app if I kept messaging.
It's becoming increasingly common on the left to say "we're moral, we have ethics, we are virtuous, and you are not. You are a bad person who is evil for disagreeing with me, because I am right and if you disagree with me that means you're wrong and evil. I will not converse with you, I will not listen to you, nor will I try to educate you. Go educate yourself, but I doubt you will, because you're an evil monster."
Srsly who died and made *white women* the authority on what’s moralistic or not. That’s literally like the most self righteous, militant white woman reaction ever. Stereotypical Karen behavior.
Also exactly why gun reform constantly fails. People who don't understand gun laws write new ones and shit like the bump stock was a direct consequence of their stupidity.
It needs a real response not someone who's kink it is to deny people guns writing laws in that vein. It's not even a joke these laws are written by idiots or they're made to fail, since that's the constant outcome.
I’m a mod (not on the sub in question) It’s not inherently against ToS but that doesn’t mean you don’t have a case.
There has to be an appeal system but you can mute users who are abusing the system, that is, spamming the mailbox. For example, I once banned someone who was actively harassing some teenager, stalking them from one sub to the next and commenting creepy stuff at the kid. That user then spammed the mailbox with ad nauseam until we muted him just to stop the clutter.
Another case was someone trying to use the sub to promote something they wanted members (and possibly money for) when we told them the community didn’t permit self-promotion and they wanted to argue about it nonstop until we muted them.
Mods can abuse the mute function by muting without just cause. In which case you can report them to admin and see if anything comes of it.
(Full disclosure, it may not. Even as mods, we can be ignored by admin like any pleb on the site.)
If multiple people were reporting mods abusing the mute function, or say, being verbally abusive to users in the mailbox (where appeals are made), then admin can see all of the contents of the mailbox, messages, notes between mods, and see if action against those mods was called for.
Just remember that Reddit is giant, largely anonymous bureaucracy.
Yeah pretty regular move on reddit. Can't have an echo chamber if an actual sample of valid points end up being represented.
I see so many people on here like "it's so X on reddit, how is it possible we see so many X differing arguments in real life"
Reddit is a terrible sample of actual populations because a) certain demographics are naturally more represented on reddit and b) mods work hard to keep their subreddit only expressing the propaganda they want it to express.
I got banned for posting a Yahoo article about covid pertaining to the success of ivermectin in treating various diseases.
I asked the mods why I was banned. They replied something about conspiracy this or that and their policy. I replied it was from Yahoo and not some bizarre left field source, so they muted me.
That sub isn’t even trying to differentiate itself from any of the other main page circle jerk ones on the main page.
I get wanting your subreddit to be mostly for what the target audience's views are, but you are just entrenching the others in their views by not allowing them to make discussion on your subreddit. Then again, I guess you could say that there are certain subreddits specifically for discussion.
They aren't out to encourage discussion, just protect viewpoints from opposing views.
You are right of course but mods arent exactly enlightened people advocating for free speech or respecting the nature of an open forum.
The person not wanting to have a reasonable conversation is the dweeb pettifogging a reasonable conversation by being dweebish about every minute reference in a block of text.
The more you rely on mods to carry out the right thing, you realize that the Mods (on any subreddit) are little man syndrome neck beards that love to troll as much as any other troll on the Internet.
Or. maybe.. OP wasn't telling the whole truth.... Fortunately, mod removed comments are still in the interweb and can be found. He uses bad faith arguments and "gotcha" where the logic is like 15 year old thought it was clever but is just idiotic.
Not saying the ban was necessary but OP didn't tell the whole story, it was not just one comment but a behavioral pattern that most likely lead to the ban.
Also: the sub in question is not worth to hang around anyway.
Yup, i just go banned for commenting here, and to think.. i was actually defending them.. lol... just like i said, not worth anyone's time to spend any time in that sub.
Thats my relationship with r/news and r/robinhood. Can't get a reasonable response from anyone, all they can do is belittle and degrade redditor's while going on power trips.
I got banned from a fake news fighting sub pointing out the fake news being peddled then called the mod a snowflake and got a 3 day reddit wide ban. Just got out of it
They have a "moderator code of conduct" that theoretically stops stuff like this. It has requirements to meaningfully engage with banned users and transparency of why they were banned.
In actuality, it's worth fuck all. I tried invoking it to the admins a while back when the same thing happened to me over at r/comics. Admin response was essentially "Sorry you feel bad, but subreddits can be run how moderators see fit! Try finding a new sub that more closely fits your interests!"
> Try finding a new sub that more closely fits your interests!
And even then, don't you dare discuss the old sub or how bad the old mods are - because that's harassment and we'll ban your new sub for being "toxic"
Reddit doesn't give a fuck.
One sub (which shall not be named due to admin rules) got some new mods and started banning people for little-to-no-reason.
A new sub was made. Occasionally there was discussion of the old sub and the mods there as new people would be banned and come to the new sub.
The old sub mods complained to the admins. The Reddit Admins said mentioning of the old sub name or the mods was considered harassment and could get the new sub banned.
If reddit does nothing else (and it really doesn't do much except give a bunch of basement-dwelling neckbeards a place to preach), it gives everyone a perspective on the value of free speech. That's most known when it's taken from you. It's literally the freedom to take away freedom. I had some retarded black woman bar me from her lawyer/judge subreddit, all because I'm conservative and have conservative subs in my profile.
This post is odd to me because it isn’t even related to the post we are looking at.
There’s no mention of a “reasonable conversation” being had by OP.
And he wasn’t banned for a month.
Someone made a post which had a tweet from this one author. I had heard their were allegations that the guy was a pedo so I made a half serious comment: "Isn't this guy a pedo?". Permanently banned.
It's nice for reddit's future AI endeavors as the robot won't be able to hold conversations about difficult topics without a complete reddit liberal bias.
Fascists exist outside of government. Anywhere you will find power, you will find fascism. Reddit is no different, give the mods a little power, and watch them trip all over it.
I got banned from whitepeopletwitter and all I said was that Biden could fund Ukraine without Congressional approval. Also got banned elsewhere when a mod called me obtuse and I asked "is that necessary"?
It'd be nice if there were some sort of check on mod abuse but..whatever. creating hive minds and echo chambers is what social media is about these days
I once got a week long ban from the Vaush sub because they had a post asking why people view Wikipedia as left wing and I shared a Harvard study that explained it. They took down my comment for violating “community building” guidelines. Bunch of fascists.
It's an awful thing if you think about it. A person's perception of what other people think will be heavily skewed when ~10%? ~20%? of comments are removed. But it's way worse than that because when things get so heavily moderated, people simply stop voicing their opinions in the first place. So you're not just missing 10-20% of the whole picture, but maybe add another 50% due to people being trained to not voice opinions that will meet some moderator's saintly knowledge of what opinions people are allowed to voice.
Same happened to me: I said the police officer DIDN’T kill a person and they did the same thing. The guy who died had a bunch of coke in his system and died of a heart attack hours after he was arrested. It was a very tame arrest, and the dude was legit crazy running into traffic. Anyway, the mods didn’t like the challenge to the idea that cops kill everyone.
If you contact them after a mute, they can report you for harassment and it's an auto 3 day ban. You cannot contest it and it doesn't matter if your polite.
Yeah, because it matters how many children per second your leatal weapon can achieve... no-one wants to split hairs over how you want to define it. Whether its ten children per second or one, it doesn't matter. Fuck off.
That’s what they always do - I don’t think I’ve had one moderator actually respond to me non sarcastically, non confrontationally and non egotistically.
They just mute after insulting you for something they got wrong Lol.
Most of the moderators of the large/popular subreddits are the online equivalent of HOA board members. No-life busy-bodies who have nothing better to do than doomscroll, police wrongthink, and exert what little control they have in their lives in pathetic power trips. Subs where this happens aren’t worth participating in.
Happened to me as well. I got banned cuz I told them to go fuck themselves and then just made another account with the same email address. Who fucking cares
OMG! I just got banned from WPT! I asked them why because I'm about 99% certain I didn't post anything there. I swear they saw me post here and are banning because of it?!? Is that a thing?
They just want a giant echo chamber, where everybody agrees with them.
Funny how those who claim to love freedom the most are often the most likely to want to take away free speech.
The people that run rant did the same thing to me. I got banned for using the word dislike and when I appealed for an unban they muted me for three days with no explanation why I was banned. After three days I sent them a paragraph describing the difference between the words dislike, hate and loathe and they said “DO NOT CONTACT US AGAIN OR ELSE” and muted me for a week. That pissed me off so after a week I followed up with “or what?” And they haven’t messaged me back yet. Like this is the internet don’t threaten me when you can just not respond. Being a mod doesn’t make you a god you’re still human like me so don’t act like you’re above me.
If you post in r/JoeRogan, you're automatically banned from r/Justiceserved. I replied to a comment condemning Joe Rogan and was banned by association. I then replied to the auto mod explaining my thoughts about how auto banning people for which they have 0 context is a little overboard, then calling their sub stupid, to which I was reported for harassment and banned for 3 days from reddit. That made me pretty irate to say the least.
I called their bluff once, set a reminder on my phone for a month later, and a month later, and a month later. Gave them a polite reminder to answer my question each month.
In the past few years I’ve found the mods on Reddit are fucking awful. I told a story in a gaming subreddit and was talking about how in the game me and a buddy were being flamed and a dude kept calling us retarbeb. (B are d’s …. I don’t want trouble again)
The mod banned me for using a slur and I just got my account back a few days ago. Mod said I can’t call people or say that. Told me I was telling a story. Got muted and banned.
They all seem power hungry and abusive. They don’t like you for some reason and you’re banned
I hate to say it but the mods really became SJW. The monetization and ad revenue on this site kind of killed it cause they have to be so mainstream and open to everyone and anything. God forbid someone reads something they don’t like and feelings get hurt. It’s life. Shit ain’t perfect
Malinformation is the new word. You are using truthful information to change the narrative to a harmful outcome. You no longer need to lie to create a harmful message, and your speech must be silenced for the greater good.
America is one of a very few countries where some people agree with you that you should have y your ar15 until you shoot some children. That maybe 50%of people in that one country think we should not have gun reform. I say this to let you know while you're free to have your opinions, it's also perfectly reasonable for the rest of us to think you're an idiot for your views. And also for us to choose not to associate with you for them.
If those other countries think that it's ok to change the facts of the story (the type of gun, in this case) to best fit the current narrative, then those other countries are on the wrong path and I'm very happy to be here instead.
That doesn't mean what you think it means most likely. That statement was a promotion of increased power to the state for safety, at the cost of the Penn family.
Are there even humans or is it all bots that down vote, heckle, shadow ban?
Isn’t that subform just a cess pool for anti white racist 🤡’s to bash on everything white people?
But the person who used “cis” wasn’t citing anything scientific either in that scenario. They just used the term, assuming that the term “cis” is appropriate to use. Saying “you mean normal” is no less scientific.
As a heterosexual, I find the term offensive as it is not a real word and attempts to label me simply by my, according to science, normal sexual preference. I’m straight, normal, or heterosexual. Not “cis”.
But then what’s the point of Reddit… ya know… if you can’t say anything that might be uncomfortable to someone else?
Reddit used to be about intellectual people having legitimate discussion, these days it’s just political extremes manipulating every aspect of the discourse.
I use Reddit for memes, shitposting, cooking, and pictures of bread stapled to trees.
I don’t take political posting seriously at all because I can not reliably trust any user I see. They may be from another country, a troll, 10 years old, a misinformation agent, or a bot. Hell, I’m a part of that problem, I shitpost on political discussions all the time and on only one account (I swear!). Reddit and all social media is a joke, and shouldn’t be taken seriously only because nothing anyone says in the comments can be verified accurately.
The phrase I’ve seen thrown around is “post-truth politics”. Basically, if the truth doesn’t matter for the right, why should the left be handicapped by it? I disagree with the pretense because it just plays into red vs blue identity politics.
A good description of social media is:
Stupid, ignorant people running public discourse - who have Dunning-Kreugered their way to relevancy.
( Holy shit, if someone rational enters the chat, they go apeshit and throw "pseudo-intellectual" around. I swear, I want to say "Ok fuckface, lets see your Mensa membership. What? You've got an IQ of 45? Here's my card you fucker. )
Yeah bro look it up standard deviation.
In a country where the average IQ is 100, and the standard deviation 15, unless there were an abnormal mathematical distribution of IQ, about 15.9% of the population would have an IQ lower than 85.
I only commented that because you told the guy to look up standard deviation. That doesn't explain why there are equal amounts of high and low IQs. The shape of the distribution does. Hence my comment
>Stupid, ignorant people running public discourse - who have Dunning-Kreugered their way to relevancy while trying to shape the world into a vision of their idiocy.
Tell me you don't know what the Dunning-Kruger effect is without telling me you don't know what the Dunning-Kruger effect is.
Well I read the book, eliminating dissenting voices was in fact one of the elements of the book alone with attempting to use censorship to rewrite history as needed. I’m going to assume these folks are probably not against limiting the words you can use to try and shape the thoughts you can have as well if they were smart enough to pull that off. So know the Reddit moderators aren’t big brother, but maybe they’d want to be if they were in charge.
You think team blue gun control liberals are only reading “the one [book] by” Marx, the man who said “Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary” ?
No I don't think they all literally only read one book. Yes I do think their ideals are hypocritical, since most preach socialism and the like but call for gun control/reform. Do you take everything you read online literally?
Do they even preach socialism? I haven’t seen much of it in reality, but the TV and corporate news told you that so you believe it.
Of course you don’t think they only read Marx, but the fact you think they even base themselves on Marx in post about libs and their gun control fetish is downright asinine.
That's not the sick burn you think it is. Old George knew how to troll.
"The classic dystopian novel was challenged in 1981 in Jackson County, Florida because the book was declared “pro-communist and contained explicit sexual matter.” Because the novel offers insight to those under the leadership of oppressive regimes, this book has been banned and even burned."
"It was Orwell's underlying belief that capitalism is bad and socialism is good that becomes an underlying theme in his novel, 1984. In the novel 1984, the controlling government party stated that capitalism was a failure and resulted in a creation of a world of poverty and slavery."
The harsh truth is authoritarianism can happen on both sides. People like to look at the spectrum like it’s left or right. But it’s more of a compass, with authoritarianism and libertarianism as the Y-axis.
There’s authoritarians on both sides of the X-axis and both of them seem to think they are the good guys despite censoring anyone who disagrees with them.
Arguably, you correcting that fact is pro-gun control, as that misinformation could have led people to support banning assault rifles, which of course are already banned and would be ineffective.
Can you copy the exact phrasing though? There's a big difference between
>That wasn't an assault rifle though, it was actually a \[insert correct firearm here\]
And
>actually if you weren't so obsessed with destroying the second ammendment, you'd see it was a \[insert firearm here\] not an assault rifle you fucking libcuck moron.
Technically both of those are stating an assault rifle wasn't used. But if it was closer to the second option, probably worth a ban anyway.
yeah I never trust people that say "I was banned for just saying ____".
99.9% of the time, it's not what they were banned for. There's an easy way to check, too. Comments removed by moderators still show up in your account overview.
OP's screenshot says the ban was at least 29 days ago. I checked that portion of their history and found this https://imgur.com/waJI04R. The comment at the top is "An assault rifle was not used in this shooting." It's also the only comment that was removed and is no longer accessible with a direct link. Which means this is actually in the 0.1% where they really were banned for the reason they claimed. The only problem is we don't know the context it was a reply to, since the parent comment chain was also removed. Could have been derailing a conversation or something.
Was the ban justified? hell if i know. The non-removed comments seem innocuous enough.
If you knew much about WPT you’d give OP the benefit of the doubt. We’re talking about a sub which uses bots to ban people who comment in other subs they don’t like.
Your mistake was taking something truthful and pointing it out. If I had a dollar every time I was in that spot I would be a millionaire. The sad reality for most people today is truth has little to nothing to do with anything. It’s all about agendas. Ever heard the phrase “the end justifies the means?” That is literally what they live by. That means that it doesn’t matter if a few lies make it through the cracks, as long as the end result was furtherance of the agenda then they’ll allow it.
I swear one day we will see two people standing next to each other under a blue sky. One guy will say “the sky is red, to fucking clearly red!” The other guy will declare it blue. The red guy will scream, stomp his feet, even call the blue guy racist. Then others will join screaming “the sky is fucking red you racist women hating asshole!” We are experiencing a continual increase in gaslighting.
They didn’t say they banned you for your comment. They banned you for arguing against gun control, which is readily apparent through a 10 second review of your comment history.
They’re judging you as a person, not the specific content.
Gun control is a silly position, which is transparently the government pushing for people to give up guns so they can have more power to unilaterally demand things of the population without fear of reprisal. Every argument they make in the controlled media is insincere.
For instance the media screams about the murder rates being due to guns. This was a cornerstone of the australian media when they pushed gun bans. The murder rate pre and post australian gun ban was completely unchanged, and recently has even risen. Mass stabbings took the place of mass shootings, but the media doesn't care about that because the goal was always disarmament for political control. They just use dead children to play on your sympathy because they are ghouls.
Yeah, it's easy enough to guess that the comment was just nitpicking over the definition of "assault rifle." It's one of standard talking points and it pretty clearly labels the person who uses it, every time it gets trotted out.
That's the craziest part to me. All you did was emphasize a fact that allows people to think for themselves. Can't have that. People need to swallow the narrative that is pushed or be attacked by bots and censored
Im pretty sure the mods browse subreddits they don't like and ban people they see in the comments. A friend frequents gun subreddits and found out they were banned despite never having interacted with the sub before lol.
More likely they have a bot which checks to see which subreddits you post in, and autobans you if you're naughty. Easily the most fragile and weak way to deal with opposing thought, but more efficient then manually combing through subreddits.
Well, if they are hanging out in subs and manually banning people, that's probably the saddest thing I've heard all year. People who do that can't be happy.
Im not saying for sure, just that it seems that way. I agree with you totally, lets be honest, happy people don't generally become reddit mods in the first place, especially of subs like whitepeopletwitter.
You're not wrong, you're just an asshole imo. If you're participating in a discussion about some murder or mass shooting, no-one wants to hear "Well ackhtualllly that term is used for select-fire weapons chambered in an intermediate calibre blah blah blah".. give it a rest!
Worse yet, you were contributing to a factual basis of the conversation, rather than restating the old "well actually AR doesn't stand for 'assault rifle,'" for the septillionth time.
After a sub gets to a certain size, 99% of Mods are dumb. Maybe there should be maximum sub sizes.
OK but legit question- were you being a rage baiting cunt?
As in "an ar15 isn't an assault rifle, it's an armalite."
Being as it is that assault rifle has no definition- I'll offer one. A weapon designed or modified with no actual purpose but to inflict as many casualties as possible"
I'm right leaning and have been in the miltary for over 20 years, but the rights "it's an aRmALitE" makes me just as queezy as that cuntish journalist who said firing one gave him ptsd. I watched my drill sergeant shoot one mounted on his nuts. But a 30 round mag and semiautomatic has no societal purpose.
Don’t know where your general political sympathies lay, but take note that your making this statement was an immoral act according to the people with power, and you were given the severest punishment they were able to wield without warning or option of recourse. Welcome to progressive world rule.
You said something that hurt their feelings and they couldn’t take it. Like 99% of mods on this site.
I recently made a post in a sub I mod about allowable conduct. Someone told me to fuck off in the comments. Just thought to myself “yeah that’s allowed” and moved on lol
All rifles assault. That's what they do.
And you can go well actually an assault refile, per the standards act of 19 ought 9 classifies an assault rifle as....
Most people aren't concerned with any of that, well, nerd shit. It's a rifle that assaults, yes?
So why are you so damn dense to not get that?
You sure it wasn't related to arguing against mental health checks, or arguing that there was no good guy with a gun in uvalde because the cops wouldn't let parents into the school during the shooting?
morality is opinion, full stop. If you believe differently, you're the same as colonizers who believed their morality was superior to native americans. All morality is equal.
That's your moral belief, and you are welcome to it. But to tell any other person their morals are less because they don't align with yours, well that's a narcicism diagnosis my friend.
You need to research philosophy a lot more my friend. There are active debates on assisted suicide, death penalty, etc. There are moral differences constantly, neither side is more right, there is no such thing when it comes to morals. Thats the whole fucking point of government.
Just like white settlers beliving it was immoral not to believe in jesus christ. Youre on the wrong side of history if you eblieve your morals are superior to anybody elses.
Apparently we have to debate with people who morally feel like certain people shouldn’t exist because “morals are subjective” pffft please to act like all morals are of equal value is ridiculous
Are you arguing that all moral opinions carry the same validity? And that opinions are harmless and don’t matter?
Because, if so, you must be horribly mistaken. Harm can be measured, and if you’re of the opinion that a system of morality that actively causes harm is just a valid to hold as a system that prevents it, then you may actually be a sociopath or psychopath.
I wouldn't call firearms "easily accessible". I am Canadian and enjoy my guns, but I know that even in the States they do background checks and such before you can buy one. The problem is you cannot usually tell someone is going to be a mass shooter, or they are reported several times and nothing ever happens before the shooting.
Yes everyone know the only anti-Nazi position is that only the government should have access to lethal equipment because the government can be trusted to act morally.
just like we can cure cancer if we properly fund the medical field, we can remove weapons from the world with the proper education, legislation and international cooperation, hope this helps 👍
If we properly fund education and legislation, unicorn farts will dissolve all of the worlds guns. If it doesn’t happen it’s just because we didn’t spend enough money.
It’s not about whether or not he wants to put it down. You have to convince those that intend harm to do so first. And as long as tho who do intend to do harm have them others will want them too to protect themselves. You’re just going after the guy bc he poked holes in your argument.
Like why do we have a military? We do we even prioritize national defense? Bc literally ALL of human history tells you that if you put your guard down, there is someone else out there who is willing to kill, rape and pillage your entire village to take your lands and resources. You’re incredibly naive.
Lol attack his argument fool, not him. The moment you went there instead of focusing on his argument you’re just telling everyone you got butt hurt bc he’s poking holes in your logic.
>just like we can cure cancer if we properly fund the medical field
What a naive simplistic view of the world completely ignoring reality and why you can’t have a “cure” for cancer. You’d have to have numerous cures for numerous genetically diff cancers.
Do you think just throwing money at it solves problems like that?
so you think we're better off putting our money towards ways to commit mass murder? you think with more trained professionals with more equipment and more funding going towards improving the medical field wouldn't help?
That's what liberals want. Funny how on conservative forums you can say "fuck Donald Trump I hope he dies in a plane crash I'm going to kill him" and people might start attacking you but you won't get banned.
If you disagree with anything liberal on subreddits, you will get slapped by the mods.
Oh you'll get banned, it's just the conservative narrative that only the liberals are trying to silence and censor the opposition. That's one of the problems in this country is the hypocritical finger pointing
Wait really? On 4chan you can say whatever and as long as it's not against the law your good. You'll get people calling you names but you won't get consored.
Sure... but 4chan isn't really a "conservative" example. People (especially teenagers) will use any and all language they see fit, which in and of itself doesn't mean anything as far as their political beliefs are concerned. Really, it's basically a cesspool of commies, nazis, fascists and essentially every other cringey political demographic possible.
Left wing subreddits are faaaaaar more heavily censored. It's not even debatable. There are no conservative subs that will ban you before you even make a post. The left doesn't even need to censor since they completely dominate reddit, they just can't stand the idea of conservatives being allowed to speak.
Even on a higher level, admins will invent reasons to shut down conservative subs but, but left wing subreddits have free reign to do whatever they want, including worshiping genocidal dictators or mass brigading wrongthink subs.
Left wing subs have a more activist component so they imagine they are doing good in the world by banning people, even though it’s just Reddit and their subreddit doesn’t do anything to change the world.
It's definitely debatable. I get banned and censored on left and right wing subs roughly equally. There's just less right wing subs on reddit.
That's something you'll notice the more you float around different echo chambers and circle jerks, they literally can not tolerate talking points that dismantle their agendas
Don’t bother trying to uproot their persecution-complex, they have to be the biggest victims at all times and will not hear an ounce of logic. Despite you being exactly right, you can get banned from any echo chamber expressing a contrary opinion
I’m glad at least a few people in here are capable of seeing past the bullshit.
It’s hilarious how conservatives turned a persecution complex into positive propaganda.
Reddit is a giant political ad!
“Oh I’m gen z let’s go to the genz Reddit”
“America bad think this way genz”
“Oh cool I will now adopt this as my entire personality”
It’s completely debatable. You’re being a snowflake with a persecution-complex and it’s just amusing at this point. Oh well not like any amount of logic can get through to people like you
Well to people of their ilk, anybody who doesn’t exactly agree with them is obviously on the other side.
PCM isn’t explicitly their political flavor so obviously it must be bad, doesn’t matter that it’s a place for the whole spectrum.
Dude I'm a libertarian never trump kind of guy, and i post on conservative subs all the time. No bans, and actually sometimes meaningful exchanges. There is no equivalence here.
I guess it would depend on what you're saying wouldn't it. Because I've gotten banned and censored quite often.
So I would definitely post that their is enough in way of equivalence that there should be a bigger discussion in society about the hypocrisy and bad faith inherent in modern American politics
If we’re just talking about forums on Reddit, /r/the_donald was infamous for frequently banning people (myself included), and /r/libertarian and /r/conservative been known to ban people for wrongthink. Such is the nature of partisan moderation - basically amounts to “there are no good or bad actions, only good or bad people/ideologies”. You are right, though, that people will also start attacking when you commit wrongthink on a conservative subreddit.
I got banned from r/libertarian for stating the USA is better than Russia. When I asked why I was banned they stated it's because I'm a communist.
I've been a registered libertarian for 12 years lmfao
Liberal here - this isn't what we *all* want. In fact most of us want the opposite, but we're too fucking spineless to speak out against our own side's unhinged censorship and thought policing.
It's not your fault you think that it's liberals in general who want this - it's *our* fault. We give off that impression. I just hope enough of us have the balls to come out and say something for people to realize that this isn't the will of all liberals, it's the will of unhinged radical progressives that too few liberals have the courage to stand up to.
This is the unfortunate reality of all of politics in the age of social media. As a republican, the same can be said about the right and all of our unhinged nonsense. I would say 90+% of people on the left and right are more moderate and could probably agree to most things, but the most extreme 10% are the most vocal ones who are out there on social media spouting extremist nonsense, and unfortunately they get the most notoriety.
At this point, I wish a third party would gain a bit of dominance.
Call it the Sane Rational Party
I'm a registered Republican, but like you said, 90% of these idiots are fucking bonkers.
Same thing on the other side of the aisle. There are plenty of Democrats that just want to work together and fix shit. But, the majority again, are just fucking bonkers.
This might be a damn good year for an independent candidate.
I’m actually saying the opposite, that MOST people on each side are sane, rational, and willing to have good faith conversations. The batshit crazies from each side only constitute the 10% but they are the loudest on social media so they get the most attention.
It leads to this weird situation where everybody on the right looks at those posts from the small minority of leftists and says “wow all dems must be child grooming open border pro-hamas idiots” while everybody on the left looks at the batshit crazy stuff posted by the minority of republicans and think “wow all the republicans must be Trump loving pro life purist gun nuts who didn’t make it past 3rd grade”.
Yeah it’s definitely much easier to do it from behind a keyboard in an anonymous setting lol, probably another reason you get such extreme viewpoints spewed all over the internet.
However some schools of thought cannot be accepted to create a tolerant society.
One can argue about many things, but it is not fascist for example if one is intolerant of fascist ideas.
And the slippery slope argument is bullshit. Not all opinions are created equal. Fascist/nazi ideology must not be tolerated. Most other things are fair game to discuss.
“… to create a tolerant society”
“… must not be tolerated”
These two ideas seem to conflict, but I kinda get where you are going here.
I don’t think you have to accept an idea in order to discuss it in a rational manner. That said, “fascist ideology” is a pretty broad umbrella that people like to fit certain ideas into when they don’t like those ideas. People on the left and right both do this.
I think you do need to allow people to discuss taboo or controversial ideologies and topics in order to shut them down in the light of day if they are, in fact, “fascist”.
Shutting down the conversation altogether does more harm than good because it allows bad ideas to fester outside of the normal discourse. You are right that not all opinions are created equal, but the best way to stop bad ideas from coming to fruition is to open them up to criticism.
This is the tolerance paradox. To allow tolerance, you must prevent intolerant views. Discussing these things seems small, but then you get more and more people discussing these things, until you get to the point we are at today with multiple white supremacist and neo nazi groups within America that pose a threat to our nation. You get to the point where enough people have hopped onto the bandwagon of the 2020 election being rigged and thus creating a threat to national security and our very institutions. When enough people are talking about and agreeing on the same thing, they're bound to believe it. So the issue becomes that of free speech versus a functioning society. Do we have completely free speech and a society that has significant groups with problematic views taking power, or do we suppress speech and limit the very freedoms that the developed world is founded on? Not to mention that limitations on speech can in of itself be an issue for a functioning society. I don't know the answer to this dilemma, and I don't think anybody does. I don't think there's any way to preserve a functioning society with freedom, nor is there a way to preserve it with totalitarian rule. I think humanity is doomed to swing back and forth between the two. Back and forth between a massive amount of slaves and a thriving middle class, back and forth between totalitarian rulers and champions of democracy, and back and forth between societies that tolerate everything, and those that tolerate nothing.
Honestly the truth. Most Conservatives and liberals see eye to eye on most issues. Slightly different solutions. But the vocal minority online is just so loud.
True Liberals are being accede over by the commie progressives and corporate neo libs (Democrats).
True liberals are correct about most things. But i can't stand the left these days. JFK would be pissed.
“I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.”
A liberal would -and did- say that.
A leftist is someone to the left of a liberal and would prefer screeching at and censoring you.
You’re right in the sense that that isn’t technically part of the literal definition, but in practice it’s the truth. I’m not arguing for or against it, but leftists are the ones who want hate speech laws. Liberals and conservatives believe in freedom of speech, but also consequences for your speech. A subtle but important distinction.
My analysis is based on people with power. If certain types of people get power they do crazy things. History shows this.
It wouldn’t shock me that if modern leftists got real power that they’d act like Bolsheviks.
History shows that literally anyone of any political persuasion or demographic can do crazy things once in power. Why you obsess about reddit mods is beyond me. Go outside.
The most collectivist movements have been right-wing hierarchies. A company is literally a collective of people sacrificing their individual objectives in favor of shareholders with outsized influence due to the power of their position in a social hierarchy. When taken to extremes, this results in fascism, where individuals sacrifice themselves for the national agenda.
And the right-wing is a huge fan of law enforcement, which by definition is an expansion of the government’s monopoly on violence.
The biggest difference between Leftists and Liberals is that Leftists LOVE guns. The second-biggest difference is that there haven't been any Liberals in the US in almost 20 years. This isn't a joke: people on the Left don't call themselves as liberals anymore, and they haven't for a long time.
This is why it's so easy for regular people to spot political nonsense on the internet. All you have to do is look for a comment where someone refers to themselves as a Liberal, and then you know there's like a 95% chance the thread is filled with russians and/or maga people.
The only real differences between Leftists and liberals are that Leftists own a shitload of guns and fully recognize that Privatization is an enormous scam.
Nope. The only way that they're two different economic systems is if you're 15 years old and the entirety of your political understanding comes from playing Hearts of Iron and lurking on /pol/.
But in the Real World, most countries (including the US) make use of both privatization and government-run services. And none of them had to switch to a different economic system to accomplish this.
Basically liberals think "Hey if we paid a private company more money to do this instead of the government then the quality might improve!" While Leftists think "Hey we've been trying this privatization thing for like 40 years and all it did was make everything shittier and more expensive."
I don’t know what Hearts of Iron is, but I’m pretty sure /pol/ is a reference to 4chan communities. Either way, I don’t base my political understanding off of the memes of terminally online loners.
> Basically liberals think "Hey if we paid a private company more money to do this instead of the government then the quality might improve!" While Leftists think "Hey we've been trying this privatization thing for like 40 years and all it did was make everything shittier and more expensive."
Right. Two different desired economic systems. I’m not sure how you’re not supporting my point here.
> Right. Two different desired economic systems.
Actually, no. It's the same economic system. The only reason you're saying they're different is because you lean politically to the right, and most of the folks on your side think that anything to the left of "You should have to pay cops before they actually help you" is Stalin-era communism.
A few quick questions for you: Did you ever attend public school or a publicly funded university? Have you ever been to a library? Have you ever driven on the interstate, or even just a paved road? Have you ever read the Nutrition Facts label on food that you've purchased? Because all of these things have existed in the US for quite some time, despite the fact that none of them require privatization.
> I’m not sure how you’re not supporting my point here.
Well the point you're trying to make is wrong, and I don't support things that are wrong.
> Most Democrats are liberals
Simply amazing. You can literally tell a conservative that people on the Left don't use the word Liberal anymore. You can straight-up tell them that Lefties have known for **years** that when someone uses the word liberal to describe themselves, they're actually conservatives pretending to be Lefties.
You can spell the entire thing out for conservatives, and they're still so socially illiterate that they'll just respond with "Nuh-uh they call themselves liberals all the time!". Jesus Christ.
> Leftists have always been on the margins as anti-privatization fringe groups that provoke occasional discourse.
"Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia."
> Actually, no. It's the same economic system. The only reason you're saying they're different is because you lean politically to the right, and most of the folks on your side think that anything to the left of "You should have to pay cops before they actually help you" is Stalin-era communism.
I’m literally a leftist lmao. The vast majority of Democrats as liberals, meaning they favor public intervention and private ownership of the means of production, but oppose any fundamental change in the balance of power between workers and corporations.
Leftist advocacy is usually about changing that balance of power to favor workers having more control over their labor.
I don’t agree with most liberal solutions except as a matter of compromise given that the alternative is fascist wannabes. Conservatives still use the term liberal to describe that position. Those people with that position use liberal to describe it. Leftists use liberal to describe it and distance themselves from it.
Please go talk to people outside of these forums. This thread has way too many people of every political affiliation whose brains are broken from being online 24/7.
> The vast majority of Democrats are liberals
The majority of people who **identify** as Democrats are liberals. But the majority of people who **vote** for Democrats are not. And the reason for this is, as you said, because often the only alternative to shitty neolib/privatization ideas is crypto-fascism.
To put it another way: Let's say there are two candidates for president. One of the candidates promises to give everyone a free puppy, while the other candidate promises to give everyone diarrhea forever. Now, just because I vote for the puppy candidate doesn't necessarily mean I like dogs. Maybe I'm extremely allergic to dogs, but decided that was less of a concern than the prospect of shitting myself to death.
Now imagine that the first candidate has a bunch of dog-loving supporters who are convinced the rest of the country loves dogs as much as they do. So they're convinced that their political party should double down on dog related political policies, investment, etc. Meanwhile me and like 75% of the people who voted for the dog guy are like yea dogs are cool but we're mostly just happy not to be force-spraying shit out of our asses.
Yeah I was just talking to my son and telling him there aren’t many actual liberals left today, most people who think they are liberal are actually leftists but think the terms mean the same thing. I miss the days of Clinton era democrats. Back when the party was still sane and had good ideas.
You don't have a son, and you don't even know what Clinton era democrats are because you were literally a baby at the time.
If you're going to make up nonsense political narratives, the least you could do is make them sound believable.
You’re right, I don’t have A son, I have three. You were my fourth but I made that fat ugly bitch you call mom take my name off the birth certificate 💁🏻♂️🖕🏻
As a progressive I never thought I'd see the day where so much of my own party becomes unhinged to the point where I can't associate with them anymore.
It's been a real wake up to reality moment.
I’ve always been right of center but I always respected the left of the 90’s being pro free speech, anti-corporate, and anti-war when I was growing up. Crazy how shit changes.
So you stand behind the party that supports a literal aspiring dictator, supports adding more guns in the classroom to somehow prevent school shootings, approves of mass censorship in the form of book bans and don't say gay bills, thinks church and state should be conjoined once more, disregards the rights of LGBTQ+ folk, approves of cutting aid to a proxy war and letting Russia annex a country by means of invasion?
I mean what the fuck, man? What in gods name is SO bad about the left that it deserves a fifth the amount of critique it is getting currently in the form of moral panics and dirty tactics in the trias politica? Drag queens? A fairer economic enviroment? Helping people in need, and not the fat cats who have enough money to buy fucking countries? Please tell me.
Because a lot of money has been spent to pit the right against the left in culture wars so that no truly progressive policies to help the American people can get passed. If your average conservative American has been conned into believing that the Democratic party are bolshevicks or want to abort children after birth, than the Democratic party has to shift right in order to maintain votes. Fox News, OAN, and many others have spent decades cultivating this fear of the left so that Republicans can pass policies for the "free market", and inevitably when it results in stagnating wages and rising prices, they can blame the democrats because their constituents will believe it, even though it was their very free market policies that made things worse. As long as these propaganda networks funded by billionaires exist, the conservatives will think that the left wants communism, litterboxes in classrooms, teachers telling children that being white is wrong, and whatever other nonsense they're spouting these days. These beliefs create fear, and fear, my friend, is far stronger than truth.
I'm so very confused with America these days. So, I thought the 'Commies' were the Republicans? Given their support of Putin and the Russian state? As an outsider looking in, it's rather hard what these labels you guys are using actully mean.
Because of that comment you are now far alt right. (I say this jokingly, but it's not really a joke, any sort of statement against the group think and you are cast out)
The impression I generally get of liberals is that liberals believe that subjectivity is more of a force than it is, or is more controllable than it is in reality. Liberals are generally the ones who believe that twisting words and pushing narratives will encourage people towards certain actions they feel are desirable for society. They believe that just giving people more training and more support will be sufficient to make them good citizens. This doesn't seem to be correct when you look at the data. I think that's a commonality between the extreme libs and the moderates libs, the extreme libs just get more angry that their attempts at manipulation are receiving pushback, because it causes cognitive dissonance in their worldview that existence is subjective and that you can make your own truth in society by changing words.
"Extreme libs" is a bit of an oxymoron 😅 But I think you've identified two groups here, liberals and leftists (if you're talking econ), or liberals and progressives (if you're talking cultural). I think that the liberal perspective on subjectivity, twisting words, and controlling narriatves is pretty good. I don't see libs abusing language any more than the norm, I see leftists and progressives doing that.
I don't wanna just draw a border between my group and an "other" group and just blame it all on the other guys though. There is that kind of thingking within the liberal sphere. Just not nearly as much as the leftist sphere.
>but we're too fucking spineless to speak out against our own side's unhinged censorship and thought policing.
Wtf are you talking about. Plenty of people speak up and they get banned. Plenty of people run for office in the Dem primaries and get kicked off the ballot or silenced from media outlets or, like in NYC, if you don't vote for more police funding they take away your community funding
The country, the west in general, is under attack from within by people seeking world domination. To achieve that goal, the biggest obstacles to that end are attacked/subverted/compromised/diluted. All the madness clicks right into making sense from that perspective.
Sure, there’s plenty of useful idiots, bootlickers, mentally handicapped or deranged from all the chemicals and frequencies. They’ll generally fall behind whomever is dominant. No need to argue with them; they didn’t reach their position via logic.
It’s sad the liberal party has just been quietly taken over by the illiberals of the bunch. These batshit psychos have got my entire family voting RFK.
Also a liberal, and I concur. Then again, I hunt, fish, target shoot, drive an F-150, and drink domestic beer. I just happen to think we should help the needy, tax the wealthy, treat everyone with respect, and let people live their own lives.
>Liberal here - this isn't what we all want. In fact most of us want the opposite, but we're too fucking spineless to speak out against our own side's unhinged censorship and thought policing.
I call them leftoids because they’re not actually liberal, but eventually they’ll dominate the entire left and people like you will eventually get the same treatment they’re putting moderates, right leaning and libertarians through: basically equating you to a Nazi.
It’s gotta stop, but I don’t think it will.
Lol I've been being called all the names by this group for years already. But I think it will stop. More people are standing up against it. People are losing their patience and finding their balls.
It’s in fact what ALL of you want. You say all these paragraphs explaining how we’re wrong and you all are right and no one is trying to hear that bullshit. We see it everyday. It’s literally everywhere on this app. You all want to wrap ALL conservatives in with bad ones, so we’re going to give you the same treatment.
Just because we don’t agree on politics doesn’t mean we can’t have a conversation about our ideas. Now I’m sure someone is going to come along and call me a Nazi.
I respect you for this, heavily. For a long time i tried to push in conservative spaces that people needed to be at leaat a little more open for discourse and not just call anyone with a different opinion 'bootlicker' or another shitty term, and eventually just gave up, no longer really align with any established party but probably closest to a less extreme libertarian.
Discourse is dead, and radical minorities on both sides (all sides) are what killed it.
>That's what liberals want. Funny how on conservative forums you can say "fuck Donald Trump I hope he dies in a plane crash I'm going to kill him" and people might start attacking you but you won't get banned.
LOLOLOLOL
Yeah sure r/conservatives is ban happy. But there are other conservative sub reddits. You’re comparing r/whitepeopletwitter to r/conservatives when the comment you replied to just said conservative sub reddits.
I mean, most of the major conservative political subs are fairly ban happy. So I'm not sure they last line works as well as you think.
Hell the biggest 3 at one point we're all interconnected by moderators.
I'm a conservative, I occasionally go there. It's a result of a lot of BS from other subs like politics, etc. They were regularly getting brigaded. People would come in and tell them they were aweful pieces of shit and then be surprised when their view wasn't "respected". They wanted equal time to tell you how wrong your views were, except they would come 8:1.
They used the hecklers veto to the extreme and the result is what you see.
> People would come in and tell them they were aweful pieces of shit and then be surprised when their view wasn't "respected".
You'd imagine that would be welcome from the "Free Speech, No Safe Spaces, Facts Don't Care About Feelings" party, no?
You missed the whole point. It doesn't matter if you are that party when they just shout over you the whole time. They were brigading to make the space unusable. They were even attempting to get the place shut down by breaking reddits anti-evil policies.
Trying to silence me by using the hecklers veto doesn't deserve welcome.
I like moderepolitics, but they do a ton of work at keeping that crap down. Conservative just locked it down as their answer.
Your post can’t be “shouted over” it’s written down, recorded, plain to see. Idk why think a controversial opinion is not going to get a lot of attention.
Trying going to r/GunPolitics and talk positively about gun control.
I literally got banned from /r/conservative for asking what trump had done for someone after they insisted he was the best president we ever had.
Didn't even say anything bad about him. I asked a question immediately got banned.
I've never been banned for criticizing Biden.
The funny thing is, if you ask anybody "why was Trump a bad president?" or "why was Trump a good president" 99.5% of them will not be able to give you an answer that actually involves his job as a president. If they say he was a good president there answer will usually be along the lines of "I just like that he's not part of the political elite" or "I just like that he says what he wants and won't be pushed around" things to that effect. If they say he was a bad president they will say things like "he's a horrible person, he's constantly lying and talking shit to everybody, he's not presidential". Nobody will ever tell you "well these are the policies that he enacted that I liked or did not like"
IDK, I hear lots of things people complain about that he did politically. Tax cuts for the rich. Increased deficit historically. Removed pandemic response team not long before a pandemic wreaked havoc on our country. Tried to overthrow the democratic process.
A president is also a lot more than just the paper they sign. They are supposed to preside over the nation, not divide it and sell it to the Saudis and Russia.
only 2 of those things are real or an something he is responsible for. "Tax cuts for the rich" is such a bogeyman statement that is constantly thrown around, what were the actual tax cuts? Not the 1 liner from CNN. Increasing deficit is not the president, but congress. Removing pandemic team is like, sure hindsight is 20/20. Tried to overthrow the democratic process, now you are just taking the piss. Secondly you're probably talking about comments on reddit, which is different from talking to a real person. If you ask the question on Reddit they will quickly google what their group think response is supposed to be, which is probably what you just did.
>only 2 of those things are real or an something he is responsible for. "Tax cuts for the rich" is such a bogeyman statement that is constantly thrown around, what were the actual tax cuts?
The act he literally called the Tax Cuts and Jobs act? That's made up?
> Increasing deficit is not the president, but congress.
So biden has nothing to do with any of the spending during his presidency? Or the tax rates? Or is it just Trump?
>Removing pandemic team is like, sure hindsight is 20/20.
Yea, he removed a team to stick it to the libs, and it bit him in the ass. Just another one of his many fuck ups.
> If you ask the question on Reddit they will quickly google what their group think response is supposed to be, which is probably what you just did.
huh? What the fuck are you even talking about? Do you really not believe people could come to the conclusion that trump sucks without the help of outside influence?
Lol, the funny thing is you think I'm some kind of Trumpite, you thought the Biden line was a huge gotcha. No, Biden is not responsible for the massive spending during his presidency the President is an easy scapegoat for political opponent and news pundits. As for your Tax Cuts and Jobs Act, go look it up, see who the cuts actually apply to. I doubt you know. Which is my entire point from the beginning. As to your last point, yeah, the vast majority of people are stupid sheep, who parrot 1 sentence long news headlines.
Why do you call "looking up what epidemiologists think we should do" groupthink? Why is it such a crime, to you, for me to believe there are people who know more than I do about some topics?
I strongly believe any viable presidential candidate does not know enough about epidemiology to even assess the threat adequately, and any president who doesn't pay someone who knows what they're talking about to give good advice is a dumbass. And I would be a dumbass, too, if I tried to DIY pandemic advice without looking up what experts in the field thought. You're asking people to behave like self-important morons.
it looks like epidemiologists couldn't assess the threat adequately either. Because it was a non threat, and they suggested shutting down everything, lol, talk about an overreaction. Then again, they lined their pockets pretty fat from the whole affair.
I will tell you right now, Trumps tax hike for the lower class was bullshit. How Trump handled the pandemic killed 100,000's of thousand of people needlessly, absolutely makes him the worse President.
You just have your fingers in your ears and definitely aren't looking in the right places, if you think people can't point to a single one of Trumps failures as President.
Fucking delusional. Just look at your response below. You think people "google" Trumps failures? No they "google" the proof and show you the evidence.
But sure, tell me how a President that killed 600,000 people in a year is a good one.
I think corrupt business practices and inciting an insurrection with armed people tearing through people's offices and stealing things are pretty good reasons to not like a president even without them being policy positions. What do specific policy positions matter if he also runs on a platform of undermining the electoral process? He never found any kind of widespread fraud but he continues to claim even wider fraud to set the groundwork for destabilizing the country when he loses. But if you want specific, self-contained policy features, I think he's a little bitch for setting a timeline for pulling out of Afghanistan that was far too fast, after doing nothing for four years to make it tenable, so that Biden would get blamed for it. I think he killed close to a million people by dismantling the CDC and then leaning into the "don't tell me what to do" perspective of anti-mask anti-vax nonsense. I think appointing DeJoy and dismantling 10% of mail sorting machines while a pandemic was making vote-by-mail necessary was election manipulation. There are plenty of other, specific, damning things that he did, and plenty of ways that his slogan of "draining the swamp" turned into "corruption is fine when our guys are benefiting, and actually we should do more of it." I also think the number of things he's said in support of using the executive to punish people for outperforming himself or others he's allied with in elections is horrifying, and anyone so anti-democratic should be off anyone's card entirely; hating liberal ideology and wanting to stop people who think that way from holding power is not a good enough reason, in my mind, for destroying the country and installing a wanna-be dictator, and pretending like he hasn't said he wants to be a dictator isn't a reasonable or considered position any more.
He definitely is a grifter and thief. The inciting an insurrection, give me a break. I honestly don't even want to debate with a person who is either so stupid or so far up the medias ass to call Jan 6th an insurrection, or that it was incited by Trump, who literally told them to go peacefully in their protest. Those are the words from his mouth, from the mouth of Trump. You are just running down the literal left wing news talking points, which is funny because they claim he's destabilizing democracy by claiming cheating. Then what the hell were dems doing when they claimed cheating in 2016 and 2000? Or it doesn't count when they do it?You call them wanting to not have mail in voting election manipulation? The entire mail in vote scheme was election manipulation, how blind can a person be to not realize that.
But again, my entire main point has nothing to do with whether he is fit to be president or not, it has to do with the vast majority of people who have no actual clue other than 1 sentence news headlines telling them to hate Trump. And as I already stated of course you can find real reasons in an online forum debate, people can look it up. But ask someone in real life and their reasons will be paper thin, just proving people are sheep that do and think as the media tells them.
I would ask you to list these hundreds of crimes he has been convicted of without googling it, but we both know you don't actually have a list of hundreds of crimes trump has even been accused of committing, You are exactly the type of person I'm talking about.
They're trying to create a false reality for people who don't participate. Trying to trick people that the entire group thinks X because all opinions on Y are silenced, and that special kind of typical idiot just goes along with it
You’re definitely on one if you don’t think the conservative circle-jerks are just as cunty, you absolutely will get banned for saying that. You’ll get banned from any subreddit for calling for someone to be killed.
It’s fucking reddit you snowflake, want to see what real oppression is? Go to russia and see what happens when you outwardly express a contrarian viewpoint. You guys love to lick putin’s boots so go see if you can find some conservative haven over there instead of being a snowflake on reddit
My favorite is all of the libs advocating for illegal immigration because “our economy relies on their labor” Democrats coming full circle back to slavery.
I've been banned/muted from r/conservative before for pointing out a something was blatantly false and linking evidence of it being false on an article people were posting.
Both sides have their crazies who just ban everyone who doesn't agree with them. Don't pretend otherwise
Just objectively untrue. I’ll wager you’re a conservative and you don’t have much experience disagreeing with them lol
The far ends on both sides act like touchy whiny children if you’re not with the program.
Yeah that’s bullshit. I was banned from r/conservative for pointing out Trump having sway over stock market volatility was a concerning thing happening (when he was president)
> That's what liberals want.
Divisive nonsense. Liberals don't want this, conservatives don't want this. Muck rakers want this and they want you to blame it on the Other. And you're a big enough sucker to do it.
That’s what the whole premise of modern liberalism is. Everything is either white peoples fault or someone else’s fault. No ones responsible for themselves or their own actions.
You're flat out wrong though. I've been banned from numerous right wing subs for not even bashing Trump, but saying he is the worst Republican option. It's very easy to get banned from conservative subs / platforms as well.
You will literally be banned from conservative reddit for stating anything against daddy Trump. I've been banned from many for simply posting a article with truthful facts that they go against.
You can’t even ask a question like why was this a good action on any conservative Reddit without a permanent ban.
Like just ask why they are voting a certain way….banhammer.
I don’t think you are being honest. I know for a fact you are not.
WTF are you talking about?
You can speedrun getting banned from r/conservative by simply typing "I do not like Donald Trump and I will never vote for him" - it takes **seconds**
That fuck are you talking about? In conservative forums you get blocked right away by even providing common sense evidence to blatantly misleading information. You’re clearly delusional if you think conservatives are sensible enough to embrace political criticism.
My first account got banned from r/conservative for linking to a video recording of Trump saying something after another commenter denied he ever said it, so that might not be the best example
> Funny how on conservative forums you can say "fuck Donald Trump I hope he dies in a plane crash I'm going to kill him" and people might start attacking you but you won't get banned.
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If you even suggest that Donald Trump may be guilty of some of the crimes he's accused of or go against any particular conservative position, even if you agree with them on all the others, you're banned from /r/Conservative. It's super easy to get banned on conservative subs.
There isn't a single right-leaning subreddit where I could say that and got permabanned and I'd probably get banned on twitter for it now, too. Come on man.
And here I got permabanned from r/conservative for commenting and correcting someone stating that Biden started a trade war with China when that was Trump who started and fed that whole tariff war.
That’s not true, I’m sure I’m banned from most conservative forums for saying far less.
I would love to see the data for this.
Ratios and all, my money is on conservative forums being much more trigger happy on bans than other groups.
This is very true, I’ve never been banned from a conservative sub yet and I’ve been banned from a bunch of liberal ones and I’m a liberal.
This shit is dumb
Not what liberals want, just extremists (which both sides have). I'm a liberal and I'm in full agreement with you and others here. That sub like many others just wants their echo chamber and to feel morally righteous.
Wrong. I'm banned from r/conservative for pointing out a very misleading article. Both side pull the same shit, blaming the opposite team of the one you root for will solve nothing.
Uhhh what? I got banned from /r/conservative for far, far, far less than that. If you don’t think conservative subreddits don’t also have ban happy mods I’m not sure what to tell you.
Yeah this is delusional. I said that Trump was a clown or something to that effect in r/republicans and was immediately banned. The other day I saw some conservative guy complaining about getting banned from /r/conservative for not falling in line. It's also well known that this is one of the most ban-happy subs in reddit.
Bullshit. Ive been banned from nearly every right leaning sub for saying reasonable things not nearly as aggressive as your comment. I'm a moderate.
I haven't been banned from nearly as many left leaning subs even though I disagree with most comments most of the time.
Right leaning subs are far far wise at bans.
> Funny how on conservative forums you can say
Not only not funny, but not even true. r/conservative case in point.
Is your argument really that the party of trump embraces independent thought? lol dude...
Liberals do not want that. Power tripping reddit mods do. I’ve been banned for simple discourse in conservative/right leaning subreddits.
Don’t attack the masses for the actions of a few. Communication, conversation and discussion are incredibly important for all.
Yea that’s a simple lie. Back when the orange idiot was first elected you were banned for simply correcting facts because that didn’t align with their misinformation campaign.
I legit got banned for basically the same thing OP is complaining about on T_D.
I got banned from co servstive forums for asking a question about trump. They're just as sensitive there lol they ban everyone for everything not inock step agreement.
I said Greg Abbott doesn't care about children of Texas and I was banned from that sub. I'm not going to say left leaning subs are different, it's just obtuse to say r/conservative is different.
No, conservative subs will ban you if they even get a whiff of dissent or your provide an argument that actually dismantles some stupid talking point.
Go on, ask me how I know
> Funny how on conservative forums you can say "fuck Donald Trump I hope he dies in a plane crash I'm going to kill him" and people might start attacking you but you won't get banned.
L-O-L-O-L
What bubble are you in?!
I got banned from r-Conservative, despite **never** posting there, because I commented in r-politics.
I got banned from r-Libertarian for debunking right-wing talking points by posting links to factual information.
r-DonaldTrump, r-TheDonald, and the like were _notoriously_ ban-happy.
I think banning op for stating a facts is stupid, but let’s not even pretend conservative subs wouldn’t ban you for less. r/conservative is a prime example.
Bullshit. Try saying anything that doesn’t involve sucking Trump’s dick on r/Conservative and see how quickly you’re banned. The right wing subs have the biggest snowflakes on this entire site. You can’t even say the sky is blue if Trump has decided he thinks it’s a different colour that day.
I love it when they haven’t got their talking points from Fox yet - you actually get some people saying reasonable things that reflect the real world as sane people see it. Then the talking points get issued and it’s all up is down, black is white, lie after lie after lie in the face of reality.
Idk about other conservative forums but the conservative sub on Reddit definitely does not operate how you're saying. You can't even make posts in flaired only threads without a flair and if you argue with them about things you get banned.
Bro this is a seriously terrible take. I got banned from the conservative subreddit on 3 different accounts while trying to have a debate. Everyone likes their silo and both sides on Reddit get on power trips and block users. But you are out of your fucking mind if you want to sit here and argue that ThIs Is wHaT liBerAls WaNt…conservatives on Reddit are cry baby bitches that block anyone that even whiffs of opposition. Go to bed homey
False. I'm banned from just about every conservative sub out there for this very reason. Just accept the fact that they're radical nut jobs on either side.
>Funny how on conservative forums you can say "fuck Donald Trump I hope he dies in a plane crash I'm going to kill him" and people might start attacking you but you won't get banned.
I would only "attack" that because that is an evil thing to think or say. I myself absolutely detest him, but I would no more say he should die than anybody else. Just because you do not like somebody or agree with them does not mean they should die.
There are a lot of people I do not agree with politically, but I do not wish they should die just because we disagree. Those are the thoughts of somebody that is so radical that they have lost all common sense and decency.
Sorry but that’s not true. I’m an actual Republican who has been permabanned from r/republican, r/conservative, and several others for expressing anti Trump views a few years ago after Jan6
The meaning of "lib" is shifting, kind of like "boomer", where it's more about an attitude than specific ideology. Whereas "boomer" is used towards anyone out of touch, stuck in their ways, regardless of literal age; "lib" refers to empty politically correct virtue signaling over specific policy.
That's half of default subreddits. The other half are astroturfed to the point of being embarrassing. /r/worldnews n /r/politics may as well be modded by the CIA at this point.
They have zero idea what the fuck they're doing, too.
[https://areomagazine.com/2023/05/04/its-class-not-race/](https://areomagazine.com/2023/05/04/its-class-not-race/)
It has been the same way since Dr Martin Luther King. It's WEALTH not RACE - this racebaiting shit and racewashing needs to end now.
1) wait you can find out why you were banned from whitepeopletwitter? I was banned like 6 months ago lmao
2) the amount of whiny brats on this comment chain whimpering and bitching about virtue signaling and libs while not realizing they are, right now, doing a more pathetic version of the same thing is quite something to behold lol
Replace whitepeopletwitter with 95 percent of subreddits.
I’m convinced the median income of a Reddit user in the us is like 15k. Every subreddit is just bitchijnf and moaning about how the world sucks and it’s not fair.
they don't
sometimes when people link the subreddit in comment chains like you're doing now (which happens surprisingly often!) i'll click it to see what they're saying about whatever current political thing
here's a pretty upvoted comment regarding the kate cox case:
>[We should stick to manufacturing jobs, small gov, and tax breaks.](https://np.reddit.com/r/Conservative/comments/18e3isp/texas_attorney_general_says_he_will_sue_doctor/kcl5g2n/)
…they ABSOLUTELY ban people who post anything remotely resembling of an opposing view, are you kidding? to the point where you can try to speedrun getting them to ban you for just telling the truth
The person I was replying to was talking about them banning people who don't drink the right wing kool aid, and you're talking about them banning people who have an opposite view.
My comment was about them banning people who don't drink the right wing kool aid, which is a phrase I associate with far right views like transphobia, homophobia, pro-life to a fault, etc. So if you're saying that not drinking the right wing kool aid is just opposing right wing beliefs, that's kool, but that's not what my comment is about.
> The person I was replying to was talking about them banning people who don't drink the right wing kool aid, and you're talking about them banning people who have an opposite view.
Having an opposing view = not drinking the right wing kool aid.
> My comment was about them banning people who don't drink the right wing kool aid, which is a phrase I associate with far right views like transphobia, homophobia, pro-life to a fault, etc. So if you're saying that not drinking the right wing kool aid is just opposing right wing beliefs, that's kool, but that's not what my comment is about.
Lol then wtf are you talking about?
It really is. I'm liberal, and do tend to find a lot of posts there I like and agree with, but there are also a lot of people who *clearly* need to turn the computer off, go outside, and touch some grass. A lot of them.
More like young white women cosplaying as the guardians of POC. It’s actually really insulting as a POC. We don’t need white folks to fight battles for us that we never asked them to fight and we don’t need them insinuating they’re entitled to feeling like they speak for other peoples.
Sometimes just following the wrong subs will get you banned eve if you dont participate in them.
Fuck me for wanting to know how other people I may not agree with think or feel, am I right?
>following the wrong subs
yup. then you have to work out all the different subs with my alt. i dont often troll people deliberatly, but this one brings me right down to their level
There was one post on a Joe Rogan sub ragging on him for being dead wrong about something and I commented on why it was particularly egregious that he stated something as a fact when the article he cited as reading contradicts what he said and I get a message from a sub that I have never heard of banning me because they apparently ban anyone who even comments on subs they don't like.
Because the average redditor is absolutely that insecure. The mere concept of someone disagreeing with them is so offensive that they all deserve to die.
Their reasoning was any interaction with the sub, even going there to troll or brigade was giving the sub more exposure and thus helping the sub, therefore any interaction with it is bad.
It has more to do with brigading in my experience. My old account was a mod on a couple of completely harmless nature subs that got brigaided by various other subs after some nonsense was posted on their subreddit. We considered autobanning people via automod but ultimately decided not to in every case.
For example, one of them was r slash batty and you can imagine how that went for the first year of Covid.
Subreddits use them to automatically ban users who have participated in other subreddits, regardless of what they actually said. For example, the moderators of /r/UofM could configure the bot to automatically ban anybody who has previously posted in /r/OhioState, regardless of the content of those posts.
Funny enough, looks like I just got banned from White People Twitter for posting on this subreddit. I'm assuming the mods are going through this thread. Pathetic.
I’m pretty sure I was already banned from it ages ago for following some sub opposed to ridiculous COVID rules. Which was a clear indicator that it was a place I would never want to waste my time on anyways.
I got banned from a sub for posting in /r/JoeRogan.
What did I post? I replied to and mocked a guy for believing in racist covid conspiracies and denying that masks work.
What was I banned for by another large sub?
>You have been banned for participating in a subreddit that has consistently shown to provide refuge for users to promote hate, violence and misinformation (joerogan).
Fuck me for being against racists and anti-science conspiracy theorists right.
I gave up on that thought years ago. There's alot of bots and DNC shills on here.
They'll gang up on anything against their agenda to try to move it to the bottom of the page.
No man, I'm against the far right as well. Can't stand them.
The difference is, the far right is much quieter and less dense than the extremely loud and delusional far left on reddit and all of the major social media platforms.
What's crazy is, those talking points aren't even close to the majority yet they are all we see and hear about. They've done such a good job at cancelling and harassing people most people don't even want to talk out of fear for their livelihood.
To back up that claim - I travel regularly. Talk to everyone. When people learn where I live they make a quick assumption of my politics and so far every single person, out of the thousands in the last couple of years, says they don't like where this country is headed. I can say with confidence over 90% are against the primary arguments the left makes on today and hundreds of lifelong Democrats have told me they turned because of how insane things have gotten.
Could that be because I don't engage with poisonous creatures, i.e. bright hair? Perhaps.
The thing is, the left is winning the war online and that is end game. Because parents don't "parent" correctly anymore and these kids grow up learning to trust screens.
you are describing radicalism vs reactionarism. Do you know what a "dittohead" is? You keep referring to talking points like right wingers don't have them. You are group thinking my friend.
Oh and by FAR the worst talking pointers( I call them parrots as they repeat things they don't understand) I have ever dealt with in my life are conservatives and progressive liberals. Right now there is a growing "democracy is bad" right-wing talking point that's growing and growing. I cannot tell you how many of them I have had to explain that the US is a democracy that functions as a Republic. It's insane. Anyone who says "Its a Republic not a Democracy" is using talking points they clearly don't understand.
Saying the left is winning any war is laughable..... its a race to out stupid one another.
It's not crazy trump won in the sense him winning. It is cuz of who he is. But ya I wasn't surprised at all. Hillary Clinton sucks and most Republican politicians DO NOT represent their base. Easy to predict trump that year.
I actually agree with u. Dead Internet theory seems true to me
It's actually crazy. I've repied to so many of what I think are bots programmed to shill neo liberalism to the max. It's really aggregious, and the internet feels nothing like it did when I was growing up in the 2010s.
Thank god other people notice this. I find it hard to believe the groupthink is so strong.
I see posts with like 20 comments and 5K upvotes promoting how healthy and strong the economy is, and how Joe Biden is doing a great job. Complete DNC propaganda right in our face that’s bought and payed to be seen by the most eyes. It’s gross
> bought and *paid* to be
FTFY.
Although *payed* exists (the reason why autocorrection didn't help you), it is only correct in:
* Nautical context, when it means to paint a surface, or to cover with something like tar or resin in order to make it waterproof or corrosion-resistant. *The deck is yet to be payed.*
* *Payed out* when letting strings, cables or ropes out, by slacking them. *The rope is payed out! You can pull now.*
Unfortunately, I was unable to find nautical or rope-related words in your comment.
*Beep, boop, I'm a bot*
It's not just dems, r/The_Donald when it existed literally banned me for saying I was a liberal.
r/conservative is also known to be very ban happy for dissenting opinions.
While mods def go out of control on certain subs regarding certain topics, right wing subs are far and away the most unabashedly censored. Subs like /r/conservative won't even let you post without being essentially approved by the mods first.
Hey OP, I'm not disagreeing that the mods were dicks about this particular instance but it seems like you only comment on reddit threads to argue, it may help to look at some anger management therapy if you're not already involved with one. You can come across as bitter.
nah it goes both ways, entirely dependent on the sub. I got banned from all kinds of places for proving a Mr.Fafo(Palestinian social media dude) video was real, like I am not even pro Palestine but I literally proved it real, even found the missile strike put out by Israel. By far one of the craziest things I have seen on here, people were saying Palestinians dyed meat to fake it lol..... On the other hand my 15-20 year old account got perma banned without warning for calling transgenderism a mental illness, I wasn't even attacking them, and was citing a study that referred to it as a mental illness as it was considered one until like 5 years ago(which I wasn't even aware they made this switch)
My point? Its group think and thinking one group doesn't do it is group thinking.
There are a minority of subs that are very far right. I will agree with you, there. But it is the minority and you know pretty quickly what sub you're in.
On the other hand, subs that have no political affiliation have been over run with leftist talking points and insanely fast responses to anything that doesn't fit their agenda.
For me, the craziest thing was that my sister is trans. I stated my sister enjoys playing a popular game and a sub of purple hair individuals who repeatedly doxxed people for playing a video game started harassing me and banned me because the mod is indeed extremely mentally ill.
Okay go do an experiment and go to what you consider a moderate right wing sub, start saying things they disagree with, see what happens. Im telling you I am the definition of politically moderate, I will talk to anyone about anything, I promise you, you will eat those words.
What you are experiencing is the product of ideology and you will experience it everywhere as a conservative. I am not going to go into an entire ideology lecture but when it comes to collectivism the left is almost always going to beat the right. Individualism is an inherent right-wing ideology. Understanding that will help you realize why you are perceiving them as being a majority. They are not.
Reactionary vs radical, the individual vs the masses. When pressed right wingers group up, when pressed left wingers individualize. None of this is new. Humans like to get into groups and not like other groups. Its the same thing but just presents different. Like nationalism vs communism. They are both forms of collectivism, they have all kinds of similarities. Understanding all this shit helps see the forest for the trees.
I don't think I disagreed with you on anything? I don't like far right just as much as I dislike the far left.
I'm a conservative but have many very liberal views that I wish my party would adopt.
I seek open, honest discussions from anyone and regularly have them. That's how you grow as a person - learning from one another and trying to understand why they feel the way they do
>This is about guns, perfect example, what is more important? The threat to society, or the individual right?
The biggest threat to society would be banning guns and leaving governments, specifically the united states government with its gigantic military, without a check on executive power in the form of revolutions if it should go fully authoritarian.
The media are ghouls that parade dead kids to convince people to ban guns, but that doesn't occur in places where guns are banned, even though they also have mass casualty events with kids and schools.
20,000 people die from firearm homicides in america every year. But if the american government decided that it just wanted to use its overwhelming military to dominate the planet in a situation where the american public couldn't fight back, couldn't stop the government, then we would see millions of deaths worldwide every year from the carpet bombings.
>Right wing subs are just as bad, the only real difference is who is the majority.
Is there one right wing subreddit that uses preemptive bans? There are numerous left wing subs that do this, even though they already completely dominate the narrative on reddit.
Yes, all the religious ones that I am aware of. r/conservative is private as well, which is a pre-emptive ban. I am not the master of reddit though. I know only what I have experienced.
Also if they dominate everything how are you here talking about it?
r/conservative is the epitome of a safe space echo chamber for "special" snowflakes who have to wear helmets around the house.
Stupidity is non partisan.
Yeah, but that’s just one example and it’s political in nature. For some reason, the most heavily liberal and controlled speech reddits shouldn’t even be political in nature. There’s hundreds vs your one example. Hundreds.
Liberalism leans into being factual and considerate to other people by nature.
I’m guessing this guy and half the people in here complaining about “liberals” are just being argumentive, insulting and harassing.
This sub is just a hive mind of the cancel culture bros.
It’s just going to be mostly conservatives leaning folk or just shit stains lying about why they were banned and trying to make it look cool.
Look, I get that people here have a huge powertrips as mods and unfairly Ban people, but if someone complains that's it's just liberals and the purple haired bridgade... eh... it gives a bit of an idea lol
Well, I can't read OP's mind, but probably the LGBTQ who are out to get their kids or so (in their opinion).
But honestly, as soon as someone uses language like that it suddenly doesn't really surprise me all that much they got banned from subs.
Yea I argue with people all the time on politics. Just don’t go hard name calling.
Conservative I came in with an open mind and didn’t even get a response from the mods.
Conspiracy will try to get you entire account banned for talking against kids shitting in litter at school.
I just stay away from libertarians…they think taxes are illegal and think rich people will just pay for schools and roads. Why they are a major presence in conservative politics is mind boggling.
Yes but places like r/conservative and r/liberal should be havens for those views.
It's the other subs that lean incredibly heavily to one side that's surprising.
And I stand by the fact there are subs that should be shut down because of how awfully biased and aggressive some mods are.
r/gamingcirclejerk is ran by an extremely mentally ill individual who banned anyone who didn't support attacking and doxing anyone who liked the Harry Potter video game.
lol, I love how they always bitch about the “lurkers” who vote but don’t comment, while almost every post is flavored users only, and even if not, you get banned for saying anything not hard-right.
I got banned from conservative after posting a chart of the deficit that compared the deficit adjusted for inflation and GDP growth of GWB, Obama, and Trump
But yes blame liberals
Then leave? Go back to Facebook? Nearly every other social media site is a conservative playground where you can still say the N word and not be in trouble lol get outta here then
Is this not what you conservatives whine and cry every time someone says they don’t like gun violence or really anything about *america?* all I see is some pretty big hypocrisy lol
Be the change you want to see. If you want more freedom of expression, then become the type of moderator who allows more stuff.
I'm modding a community of 80k people with 4 moderators and I currently spend probably like 5 minutes a day on that task. When your approach to modding is to give a lot of freedom of expression, you don't have to spend a lot of time weeding out any content you disagree with.
I don't think triggering is the correct word.
In my experience, the purple hair tends to act exactly like nature's warnings of other bright/colorful venomous creatures.
So, we can tell from a distance there's some mental illness going. We then try our hardest to not be forced to interact with these creatures.
Shittiest sub on Reddit lol, got banned simply for posting a link regarding most states in the US that ban abortion also have abortion exceptions… also got sent a Redditcare link or something lol. Weirdos for sure
Dredge through the swamps of /r/adultery if you’re looking to have a stroke. I’ve been banned many times from there. Yes, I DID happen to be harassing them but still. It’s a cesspool of the most depraved people on the internet.
Just took a look over there and what the actual fuck?
One post I read was of a woman who had been having an affair for 10 years. Then one day she sees a message on his phone of him texting a third woman and she feels betrayed. How can she be surprised that someone who's been cheating for 10 years, would cheat? And why does she act like she's the victim here?
That sub is delusional.
Yeah they’re among the worst people on the internet.
I remember doomscrolling there around Christmas time and there were posts to the tone of: “I know this time of year is hard because you can’t be with the only person you REALLY want to spend time with (their affair partner).” Meanwhile these people had little kids and a husband or wife at home.
It’s hilarious in a sense because they are all self-important degenerates that larp as romance novel protagonists despite being middle aged 4/10’s addicted to benzos. They also do this cringey thing where they have a ton of acronyms like they’re special forces lmao. Like AP (affair partner) and OPSEC (operation security).
Save yourself the sanity lost by frequenting that cesspool it’s too late for me lmao.
TwoXChromosomes may be worse. I got banned for saying that guys get downvoted just for being guys.
Doesn’t matter what the post is, the comments are that men are abusers and women have never done anything wrong.
Yea I did know that, it was in the article Iol
[This is it here.](https://www.kff.org/womens-health-policy/issue-brief/a-review-of-exceptions-in-state-abortions-bans-implications-for-the-provision-of-abortion-services/)
You didn’t read your own source.
The exceptions are vague enough that the doctors cannot perform the required medical procedures to help the woman in question.
It says so in the fucking thing.
You know, it might be you who is the problem lmao.
I think he is saying it is hard to understand your argument as you phrase it so vaguely and disingenuously to what’s written in the actual article you linked. It seems like you are arguing that ban on abortion is okay because there are exceptions vs. these exceptions are so vague it’s hard for doctors or women to understand wtf is going on.
Good read btw, still not sure what your stance is but it seems pro-life when the article you posted is pro-choice
It’s hard to understand because I am not arguing anything (here anyway) my comment isn’t directed toward pro-life nor pro-choice, it’s directed toward anti-censorship. I was in an conversation with some person about abortion most probably, left a factual link with that statement about exceptions, got banned.
On another note, I’m definitely pro-life leaning, but eh it’s not black and white, there’s views I accept from both sides as most people do.🤷♂️
That’s exactly it. We can tell you are pro life as you used a quote that makes it seem like abortion bans are fine because there are exceptions. Obviously states with abortion bans will have exceptions, states without bans don’t need exceptions. The article you linked says these exceptions lead to more ambiguous terms for doctors. It’s like you’re just smart enough to spread misinformation but not smart enough to know why. That or you are clearly bias. Either way it’s disingenuous
I think the context of the original argument I had with the person would provide more answers then me explaining why I got banned. Which the person I was in fact arguing with made the claim that there were no exceptions and is a complete dystopian policy, which is not true.
That guy may have said incorrect information . But based off of the article you linked, I don’t think exceptions even matter. Most women are forced to go out of state.
Now look, that’s a completely fair and reasonable opinion in which I can agree with my friend but my point is, It would’ve been nice to receive a proper conversation rather then a permanent ban, y’know? (at the time anyway)
You, I can’t follow you. You say “I got kicked off a sub because I said abortion bans have exceptions” they point out exceptions are unusable you say “yeah I know”. What are you surprised about? People got angry because you posted something that reads as supportive of abortion bans. When it was explained to you that, perhaps you didn’t realize why people were angry, you said “no, I know why they’re angry”. So when you were called out for being disingenuous, you just deflected again and disengaged.
I guess I just expected a good faith argument in there or some clarification rather than talking in circles. I have no idea what your stance on the issue is besides you making fun of a sub. What a weird exchange.
That’s not even what happened though, u guys are assuming the argument I made a year ago was disingenuous in nature which it wasn’t. I responded to the claim that “there were no exceptions and that is was completely dystopian policy” with a factual link and instead of having proper discourse or discussion, I was permanently banned. Talk about good faith arguments…
What is this?🤨
Also, there’s 40 something pages and this happened about a year ago or something I don’t quite remember, I’m sure u’ll find it if ur that interested.
> most states in the US that ban abortion also have abortion exceptions
Like Texas has exceptions? Guess what they don't in reality, no one has met the exception threshold, they have left the state to not die..
Ok fair enough, in that case u are just simply wrong, exceptions are exceptions, MOST states that ban abortion, have ‘em. On another note, even if I was lying or misunderstanding something, do u genuinely think it’s reasonable to ban someone for life instead of maybe having a conversation and discussing the topic?
> in that case u are just simply wrong, exceptions are exceptions, MOST states that ban abortion, have ‘em.
This is why they banned you, you don't want a conversation.
Yes, there are "exceptions"
> nearly 65,000 people became pregnant through rape in the 14 states that have total abortion bans
> fewer than a dozen abortions each month were offered in states where lawmakers have offered rape exceptions for abortion access, suggesting that “rape exceptions fail to provide reasonable access to abortion for survivors.”
That is not really an exception. That is an exception to the rule, and the rule is there are NO EXCEPTIONS.
That sounds like something that would happen on a subreddit on the other end of the political extreme. Honestly, that could all be a platform for sowing discontent and trying to deepen the divide. Foreign misinformation campaigns are very real.
That sub said my state bans abortion.
It's actually encoded in the fucking state constitution. I pointed that out...got banned.
It's just a propaganda mill.
I got a comment removed and a reddit care link on Late Stage Capitalism for saying that we don't have the grass roots support to vote third party and thus Democrats are the best option unless they want Trump reelected. Granted their rules explicitly say "no lesser evils arguments", but beggars can't be choosers, and right now, we the people are beggars.
They accused you of being immoral because you "argued against gun reform?"
That's...amazing.
I guess having an opinion that doesn't fit their narrative is par for the course for a ban.
Yeah I found this exceptionally overreaching because it's not just trying to control the narrative to be left leaning.
Their trying to control the left narrative itself. Level of gun reform is probably one of the most not universally agreed upon things in the party itself. The motherfuckers literally trying to make it look like all democrats are anti gun.
It's probably the same fucking mod that banned me from r/comics. Used the same word, "immorality." And it was for an incredibly thin argument that I was opposing abortion. I know lots of main subs have the same mods.
Still people are misreading him. This is the problem. He simply stated a correction of gun type. Again, no opinion was expressed. Everyone here talking about his opinion are just as bad.
all the people in here unironically leaving their opinion on guns is pretty hilarious lol
OP clearly didn't give an opinion and wasn't banned for an opinion on the matter, they were banned for stating a fact and a correction. the mod lied about the reason they were banned. this is all information available in the post
There needs to be a way to appeal bans like this. Discussion in any subreddit that does not break site-wide rules should be permitted. There should be a system to police these corrupt power tripping mods. If a mod is caught giving out too many corrected bans they get tossed off the mod team. It’s disgusting I’m censored on so many top subs simply for trying to have a discussion.
They literally banned people for being Jewish a month ago. Not for posting certain links or whatever - literally just for being Jewish. They are 100% out of their minds.
I'm banned from both for similar things. I wish muting them actually had an effect. I asked worldnews what they banned me for because I thought it was obviously a simple misunderstanding, and they reported me to admins for harassment and got me banned from all of reddit for a while. I was like holy shit, this is pretty disgusting. Reddit admins "reviewed my appeal" but that means nothing considering they never responded lol
I was banned from r/worldnews for saying
* Immigration is a problem. The longer we do nothing about it, the more extreme the solutions become
They claimed it was misinformation
That's something a nazi would say, seriously. I'm not saying you're a nazi, but it's how they would frame the "issue".
Anyhoo, you shouldn't have been banned.
And yes, unbdridled immigration can lead to serious problems.
Got banned from there in 2020 for saying it wasn't racist or crazy to wonder if the virus may have come from the lab
I thought that was funny not only because it ended up being "likely" that the virus did come from the lab, but that people really thought that saying the virus came from a corrupt american funded lab with multiple safety violations was somehow more racist than saying "Chinese food markets are unsanitary and spread disease"
Lol I got banned from white people twitter for stating simply “my plan is to vote republican”. The mod muted me for 28 days so I marked it on my calendar and picked up the conversation 28 days later. Even they were slightly impressed before perma muting me.
Lol I like to argue. Figured it would even make the mod laugh. Picking up the losing side of an argument 28 days later against someone who is complete control of the situation is absurd and hilarious.
I got banned for saying that AFTER the CDC admitted it lol. I also got banned from some sub for stating that the vast majority of mass shootings are black on black crime and that the majority of the ones the media had tried to cover recently ended up being people from the transformer group and then the media had dropped the stories because it didn’t fit the narrative of white right wing nuts and boom banned…and all I did was cite fbi statistics and recent reports.
Policing language would be me reporting them or something like that. Im just pointing out their lack of respect for another human being. You wouldn't like it if people referred to you with a derogatory term for something you can't help.
You call him out for calling them transformers, then you say they have a mental disorder! Now, I don't disagree with you, but I have been in arguments on reddit over this, and the leftists would hate you more for saying they have a mental disorder than for calling them transformers.
I am a leftist as well. I just happen to be one that considers the mental disorder (not to be confused with illness) to be a mental disorder. There is no cure (yet) so imo affirmative care is the best option.
But why affirmative care in the direction of transition? Why not affirmative care toward their natural body? These people don't need hormones and body mutilation. They need self acceptance and love for the self. There is literally no such thing as being born in the wrong body, every body is individual.
That's why it is a mental disorder. It's like telling a schizophrenic to just stop hallucinating. Or an autistic person to just be normal. Or a clinically depressed person to just snap out of it.
It isn't possible because we don't know enough about the brain to fix these issues. No amount of telling someone they are actually a man or actually a woman will snap them out of it. Their brain actually thinks they are in the wrong body. So until science catches up there is no cure. There are a myriad of other disorders i could list to back it up.
Unless you come up with a better cure that reduces suicide rates, it is the best current option
Now this is you buying into the lie. Their brain does not think they are in the wrong body, they have been TAUGHT to think they are in the wrong body. The vast majority are young women, going through puberty and struggling with body image due to society and how nasty kids are. They don't like the changes and they are looking for answers. Suddenly the media and all their authority figures are telling them "oh, you are in the wrong body, you are supposed to be a man" and they are kids who are extremely impressionable and then they are given a complex. There is a reason there has never been a massive epidemic of literal children believing they are in the wrong body at any time in history. Because nobody told them they are were in the wrong body.
> AFTER the CDC admitted it lol
Admitted it? Everyone with an IQ more than 12 knew that vaccines don't 100% stop transmission. Because they reduce the severity of the illness, and therefore the symptoms, it objectively does reduce transmission.
Yeah I mean WPOT is a degenerate sub for sure, but to claim that a vaccine was not created to reduce transmission/viral load is odd. That’s literally one of the main objectives of a vaccine lol.
It barely classifies as a vaccine considering it doesn't innoculate. It's the same premise as a flu shot. It makes it easier to take if you get it but you can still get it
Could you clarify what you mean by innoculation? Are you using that to mean ‘100% effective in preventing transmission?’
I’m not aware of any vaccine that was 100% successful in preventing transmission of a virus, so I’m just a little confused by your wording.
Innoculation is immunity. For example for 3-5 years after getting your smallpox one you are completely immune. https://www.health.ny.gov/publications/7022/#:~:text=Smallpox%20vaccination%20provides%20full%20immunity,in%2095%25%20of%20those%20vaccinated.
‘Smallpox vaccination provides full immunity for 3 to 5 years and decreasing immunity thereafter. If a person is vaccinated again later, immunity lasts even longer. Historically, the vaccine has been effective in preventing smallpox infection in 95% of those vaccinated. In addition, the vaccine was proven to prevent or substantially lessen infection when given within a few days of exposure. It is important to note, however, that at the time when the smallpox vaccine was used to eradicate the disease, testing was not as advanced or precise as it is today, so there may still be things to learn about the vaccine and its effectiveness and length of protection.’
….so this doesn’t read as completely immune, but I can see your point that vaccines may offer different levels of immunity. I still think it’s disingenuous to state that the COVID-19 vaccines do not reduce transmission, even if these specific vaccines do not prevent transmission 100% of the time. Vaccines are not meant to be 100% effective; they are meant to reduce the likelihood of transmission and reduce symptoms from exposure.
I agree with you. The article about covid was that transmission rates were not needed for approval of the vaccine when it first came out, therefore they weren't made for that, just to give you a better shot at survival if you did get it.
I didn't know vaccines weren't supposed to be 100% effective, that's what everyone was saying so i went with it
Well I think there is certainly room for criticisms towards how the COVID vaccine was initially rolled out, and how the CDC marketed its effectiveness. I think an argument could be made that the COVID vaccine was less effective than other vaccines in terms of reducing transmission (which is understandable considering the limited time table researchers had in developing a suitable vaccine).
I’ve been pretty critical and at the same time appreciative of the whole COVID vaccine situation haha.
Both the flu and covid shots make you less likely to get it also. But it’s true the most valuable benefit is lessening the symptoms and duration. But that also reduces transmission as you are less likely to pass it on if your case is mild and shortened.
Theres a lot but here's a recent one from this year.
https://www.reuters.com/fact-check/preventing-transmission-never-required-covid-vaccines-initial-approval-pfizer-2024-02-12/
It was made to make it easier to have if you have it.
Some were claiming therefore it's all a lie which is silly. It was made to save lives
The manufacturers literally said as much in their documents on the vaccines lol. But politicians and “experts” ran with the opposite narrative instead.
Well it’s covid misinformation - so yeah, a lot of subs are going to ban you.
It was absolutely made to reduce both transmission and severity. And originally it did bother very well. But with new virus variants it wasn’t as effective as stopping transmission.
> I got banned from there for saying the covid vaccine wasn't made to reduce transmission,
You're wrong. It does reduce transmission _and_ it reduces severity. It was always intended to reduce transmission. What is true is that they didn't test if it reduced transmission before rolling it out becuase it was an emergency situation and it would have taken too long to get the results. They just needed to prove that it reduced disease severity and was safe. It _did_ reduce transmission, they thought that it would, and that _was_ one of the goals of producing the vaccine.
Buddy of mine got banned from the early corona subs, by one of the MANY chinese ccp agents that got mod powers and were using it to support chinas claim that they had no deaths and china wasnt at fault for the spread. He got a DM saying the mod was going to follow him to monitor his posting to make sure he was supporting china....
Like holy big brother shit there.
Odd, few years later china is STILL suffering from covid issues...
So, let's see if I get this straight: They're anti-police, but at the same time, against people arming themselves for self defense.
Wow. That's like asking to get robbed and assaulted.
Wow. I can’t believe this doesn’t make sense to you.
P.S. it doesn’t make sense to me either I just wanna feel smart
They’re anti police and anti gun but they’re going to call the cops if they’re in danger. Make it make sense
They have a hard time with sequencing. What they really want is a gun free society where not even regular police have guns (like Britain). But they can’t see that it will take generations to transition to that, and their plan is to disarm the good guys first. It doesn’t take a genius to see how that will turn out.
And the other side just wants to not worry about their kids getting shot in school. Fuck them right?
Do you not get that you are just the other side of the coin? Over simplifying and vilifying the other side without ever actually even attempting to see where they might be coming from. You aren't trying to engage in real conversations, debates, or anything else any more than the side you are whining about.
I mean lets even just examine your comment. You went into a topic about a mass shooting in order to do what? To correct some technically of the style of gun used? Wow, that's great. So if someone came up to you and said "my child was murdered by an assault rife" would your first instinct would be to correct them that it's not in fact an assault rifle?
You aren't remotely interested in engaging in good faith on this topic. You want your gotcha moment. So ultimately you shouldn't even be mad at being banned. You can sit in here or other similar subs enjoying the echo chamber, just like the people you are complaining about.
It’s not a gotcha moment when the majority of weapons used for murdering children are cheap handguns that are obtained illegally; yet, the most common response to gun violence from liberal leaning representatives is to ban assault weapons.
California has done so and we are in the middle of the road for homicides and mass shootings per capita.
This is exactly how I feel. When I am certain that there is no chance that someone with a gun will try to harm me or my family, I’ll give mine up. Until then, I will own them responsibility as I have done for years. Call me cynical but I don’t think that day will ever come, regardless of whatever legislation is passed.
"If you don't want to do the thing we've been doing since 1934 that hasn't worked while the problem has only gotten worse while these guns have existed for 80 years and have only become harder to get, you're IMMORAL!!!"
The irony of these people is they tell themselves they oppose bigotry
[Bigotry](https://www.dictionary.com/browse/bigotry): stubborn and complete intolerance of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one's own.
I find it fascinating
TBF, The definition of Assault Rifle was written by law majors that didn't have a single clue about firearms. TF does a bayonet rack or folding stock have to do with an amateur spray and pray in a crowd?
Didn’t the definition of assault rifle come from the German translation of the STG-44? I think you’re talking about “assault weapon” whatever the fuck that means lmao
I wouldn’t even try talking to anyone in WPT about firearms, they’ll gather like rats and downvote/report your ass until you learn that they only want things that please their ears in the echo chamber they reside in
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In the context of mass shoutings “assult riffle” refers to a gun capable of rapid fire. One in which the clip can be empty in seconds. Which is the type of gun used in almost every case
The semantics are generally only used by people who want no gun laws yet who also understand why the “not really an assault riffle” gun is important in a war with other people and and better than pistols. Musket etc
Anti gun people have one definition the milita has another. I mean even the marines and similar groups admit guns like a ar-15 are basically the same as any assist weapon they give you
So?
Not every soft drink is Coke, but there are plenty of people who just call every soft drink Coke.
AR-15s are notorious for being the most visible rifle used in mass casualty assaults, so everyone calls them assault rifles.
It's a pointless thing to argue because the only reason the argument exists is for gun manufacturers and their drones to attempt to distract from real world issues.
So, grow up and stop trying to censor people from using words that hurt your feelings.
I've been banned from several for literally stating facts in a non-confrontational way.
These snowflakes hate hearing anything that goes against the narrative they've been spoon fed by their handlers.
“The immoral”… wow… I’m a strong proponent of gun management legislation. I think the US is absurd in how it manages guns overall. That said, this mod is a complete asshole. Gun ownership isn’t immoral. There are ethics questions to it, but if the OP is being accurate in their posting then the mod was exercising their authority in a stupidly indiscriminate manner.
This is a great highlight of how, the weak minded , across any political spectrum, resort to head-in-the-sand-censorship as opposed to putting opposing ideals head to head for a real conversation.
Got banned there for pointing out that both the Russian Collusion narrative and the Cambridge Analytica stories were essentially conspiracy theories. Not that they didnt happen (they did, which I was very clear about), but that the coverage of them and their actual impact was wildly overblown.
I hated that whole Russia collusion crap. The extent of it was trolls posting online, yet it somehow managed to turn into 4 straight years of what is essentially mccarthyism
Gun reform is a dead cause, wait till they hear about the Texas gun trader and Florida gun trader websites where you don’t need to do a background check and you can buy it in whatever parking lot you want to meet the person who is selling it in.
The point is assault rifle is a vague term used by people who want to manipulate the situation or are just ignorant to its meaning.
Also, super ironic to be blocking people on a post where youre complaining about being blocked.
Don't know why you're getting so mad at this guy. As far as I know assault rifle is a bullshit made up term to make guns sound scary by adding a crime (assault) into the name.
"Assault Rifle" has a technical definition found in US small arms identification guides, like DST-1110H-394-76 (1983), in which the following quote appears on page 105.
> Assault rifles are short, compact, selective-fire weapons that fire a cartridge intermediate in power between submachinegun and rifle cartridges. Assault rifles have mild recoil characteristics and, because of this, are capable of delivering effective full automatic fire at ranges up to 300 meters.
- https://www.bulletpicker.com/defense-intelligence-agency.html
Other guides use the term "assault rifle" to describe a classification of rifles.
- https://apps.dtic.mil/sti/citations/AD1008964
It's a well defined term with both technical and historical roots.
Assault *Weapon* is a non-technical term which has a variety of definitions, because it is assigned meaning by whoever is using it. For example, the state of Washington has a legal definition passed in [HB 1240 (2023-2024)](https://app.leg.wa.gov/billsummary?BillNumber=1240&Year=2023) which includes most semi auto rifles, some semi auto pistols, and some semi auto shotguns. Other states also have legal definitions for "Assault Weapon", but differ from the definitions created by Washington and other states.
Finally, the anti gun movement realized this could work in their favor, and Josh Sugarmann of the VPC said as much. This was written in 1988, and Sugarmann pretty much called it. Bold is my emphasis.
> Assault weapons are increasingly being perceived by legislators, police organizations, handgun restriction advocates, and the press as a public health threat. As these weapons come to be associated with drug traffickers, paramilitary extremists, and survivalists, their television and movie glamour is losing its lustre to a violent reality.
> - *It will be a new topic in what has become to the press and public an "old" debate.*
> Although handguns claim more than 20,000 lives a year, the issue of handgun restriction consistently remains a non-issue with the vast majority of legislators, the press, and public. The reasons for this vary: the power of the gun lobby; the tendency of both sides of the issue to resort to sloganeering and pre-packaged arguments when discussing the issue; the fact that until an individual is affected by handgun violence he or she is unlikely to work for handgun restrictions; the view that handgun violence is an "unsolvable" problem; the inability of the handgun restriction movement to organize itself into an effective electoral threat; and the fact that until someone famous is shot, or something truly horrible happens, handgun restriction is simply not viewed as a priority. **Assault weapons—just like armor-piercing bullets, machine guns, and plastic firearms—are a new topic. The weapons' menacing looks, coupled with the public's confusion over fully automatic machine guns versus semi-automatic assault weapons—anything that looks like a machine gun is assumed to be a machine gun—can only increase the chance of public support for restrictions on these weapons. In addition, few people can envision a practical use for these weapons.**
- https://www.vpc.org/studies/awaconc.htm
Yep this the kinda “deplorables” energy that got Trump elected lol. You can’t dismiss, dehumanize and demonize half the country bc they disagree with you. The idea is that you’re supposed to win them over lol
Exactly. That "deplorables" thing is what likely turned a bunch of on-the-fence voters over to Trump. The more people on the left disparage people who express even remotely right wing views, the more right wingers will be created.
I hold a good number of left-wing views but holy shit, those on the left (particularly reddit) do themselves zero favors in making people want to join their cause.
I got permabanned and muted for 28 days, the comment linked literally just said “Kyle rittenhouse was found not guilty by a jury of his peers, and there is video of the attack”
I got muted for 28 days for citing the Wisconsin statute that allows people under 18 to open carry rifles. My comment was deleted and the mod note said they were just blanket banning discussion about Rittenhouse. Funny thing though the comment I was replying to that was incorrectly stating that Rittenhouse was unable to legally open carry the rifle was still up when I checked the next day….
Honestly if they actually wanted to put a blanket ban on discussions of Rittenhouse I think that would actually be a good thing given how much misinformation is constantly peddled around his case, and people get super invested in debates about it and it always just spirals into toxicity. But selectively only banning one side is so overtly ridiculous it’s genuinely sad.
I went on 4chan recently to see what it was like. It was a lot more nuanced than I thought. I would say Reddit is worse, as far as the user base is concerned.
I think the karma system hurts this platform.
Yeah it's a cesspool here for sure, but it's still useful for anything that is hobby or interest related.
I've noticed that the general subs like Politics or "WhitePeopleTwitter" whatever that's supposed to be, or Entertainment, is where the most toxic people congregate.
Reddit is worse. you won't get banned on 4chan for what OP did, or any other whack reason some mod can think up. you can say just about whatever tf ya want.
An AR-15 is absolutely an assault rifle. It's a rifle with relatively low-power cartridges, high-capacity magazines, a pistol grip, multiple accessory rails, and a polymer frame, designed to have options for burst and full-auto fire (though obviously those are disabled on civilian models). The assault rifle largely replaced the older battle rifle, which had smaller magazines (the M14 has a stock 20-round magazine compared to the M16's 30-round), wood furniture, a standard rifle stock, and higher-power rounds (7.62x51 has about 2500 lb\*f of muzzle energy compared to about 1700 lb\*f from 5.56x45).
>designed to have options for burst and full-auto fire (though obviously those are disabled on civilian models).
Did you... Read the comment? I'm not even taking a stance here, it just kinda seems like you missed what they said.
Keep in mind, this entire post and this subs snowflake-like response to it, is taking OP at his word. OP, who if you look at his comment history, is anti any gun regulation.
Nothing in this post is occurring in good faith, it is to only mock the lack of good faith found elsewhere. It’s hypocrisy at its most mundane
He didn’t miss it at all. The dude said in the same comment that ar 15’s are assault rifles and stated some are select fire. Which is not true. Meaning they aren’t assault rifles. Did you…. read the comment?
>ar 15’s are assault rifles and stated some are select fire. Which is not true.
Civilian AR-15s are semi automatic but when the weapon was invented they absolutely were select fire. That's what their original design was and what got adapted into the M-16 which was, obviously, a select-fire rifle.
Why are gun nuts so *insanely* triggered by "assault rifle" as a colloquialism?
"You can't say it's an assault rifle because an assault rifle has to have a crosshatch textured grip! Not a bump textured grip!!!!!"
So your only argument is a semantic one? Neat.
[Fun read.](https://www.cnn.com/2013/01/31/politics/gun-language/index.html)
Almost like a true definition doesn't exist and you're just being *that* guy.
> An AR-15 is absolutely an assault rifle. It's a rifle with relatively low-power cartridges, high-capacity magazines, a pistol grip, multiple accessory rails, and a polymer frame, designed to have options for burst and full-auto fire (though obviously those are disabled on civilian models).
Not a single one of those is a qualifier for being an assault rifle save for the select fire capability. And as you said, civilian models have that disabled... making them not assault rifles.
It's not really a matter of "who" determines what qualifies as an assault rifle. There is no Assault Rifle Committee that says "yep that one is" or "nope that one isn't."
But "assault rifle" is a term with an actual definition.
> An assault rifle is a select fire rifle that uses an intermediate-rifle cartridge and a detachable magazine.
Select fire indicates burst or automatic capability. AR15s, and every other "over the counter" sporting rifle sold in the United States do not have select fire. They are semi-automatic. Ergo, not assault rifles. And "assault *weapon*" is a completely made-up term that has no solid definition and is mostly used by various states to restrict the people's right to keep and bear arms.
That's actually a great question. I don't know. I do know that it has been the definition for a *long* time, though. The Sturmgewehr was the first true assault rifle used in warfare, so I'm assuming the term was coined sometime in the 40s. About as far as my knowledge goes.
So we don't know who came up with the definition. And there's nobody who officially determines what is or isn't an assault rifle. And it's highly likely that nobody who wants to ban the AR-15 would change their mind after learning that it's not an assault rifle. But it's also important that we use this particular definition when discussing them.
> So we don't know who came up with the definition.
I just told you?
> And there's nobody who officially determines what is or isn't an assault rifle.
This is extremely circular logic and in bad faith.
> And it's highly likely that nobody who wants to ban the AR-15 would change their mind after learning that it's not an assault rifle.
No but it's fairly important to know what you're talking about, in general
> I just told you?
No, you said you didn't know. And then you speculated. And then you edited your comment to say that according to google and chatgpt, the definition is debated. Which is another way of saying **we don't know.**
> This is extremely circular logic and in bad faith.
It's bad faith to ask who determines what constitutes an assault rifle?
> Words have meaning.
Maybe they don't have as much meaning when nobody knows who came up with the definition, when there's zero enforcement of that definition in the industry to which it applies, and when any hypothetical legislation would side-step the issue entirely by individually listing each make/model they were trying to ban.
No like, seriously. I have pressed that button four times now. Doesn't work. That's fine - I've made it very clear I don't want to talk to you anymore, and I can report your comments all night. Keep harrassing.
Ar 15’s aren’t select fire period. And oh wow they are made out of polymer and metal vs wood and hold ten more rounds. The only reason you could have possibly posted this comment was to try and make the gun sound bad.
Not an assault rifle. Cut the bs propaganda speech
I’ve done this same thing more than once on Reddit.
The arguments either follow MAGA logic: I don’t care what it’s called, it should be banned.
Or
“language evolves, get over it”
Either way, it ends up a zero sum game.
You dorks are trying to “gotcha” OP, but you’re not even doing it for the right nomenclature. “Assault weapon” is the made up one with no real definition. lol.
These pathetic creatures are the ones that staged a holdout against the Reddit Admins over the API drama and then buckled at the first threat that their powers would be forcibly removed if they didn't comply.
Truly the most pitiful of beings on this earth
I had to mute that sub because it kept coming up on my feed. It's an extremely toxic echo chamber where all you see is all the common reddit buzzwords like fascist, nazi, zionist (lately), and racist which is kind of ironic since they're openly racist towards white people. The mods are, well, they're atrocious.
Avoid that sub at all costs.
It's a cesspool. As you stated, the only thing the people who frequent it know how to do is laugh or cry at Trump related news and spew buzzwords. I am genuinely starting to believe that half this site is either bots or paid disinfo agents.
Been blocked on all the platforms by them for posting about their blatant racism of always blaming the Whites for the crap that we do and saying that we committed crimes due to being suppressed.
There isn’t an option to add another image. If you really think I’m lying go through my account. The comment was 31 days ago and is buried beneath all of my other bitching on this site.
lol Reddit mods and admins are the lowest of the low. The most pathetic people in society. Socially inept, poor, self loathing, and they take that all out on you with the modicum of power they have. They’re like discord mods, server admins in video games, and 4chan janitors. Kids that were bullied in school because of their lack of skills or charisma who grew up into miserable little adults with complexes.
Just like every other snowflake out there, state fact or an opinion that doesn't line up with their ideals.. Owning a gun isn't immoral, being able to protect my family from evil is not imoral.. Who the fuck are those ass hats to say its immoral? Are they God? I doubt it
>whitepeopletwitter
I do my best to get myself perma-banned on all subs who's entire shtick is circle-jerking about race.
Get banned and then mute the sub entirely. Saves a lot of time.
I once sent them a message reporting a post for racism and was immediately banned and muted. For reporting racism. The person was going off in the comments and post about black people. It was bizarre.
The dumbest moderators but what do you expect from such a subreddit. I say that as a mod myself.
I think I got banned for saying something normal about transgenderism. They’re psychotic extreme left so anyone who sounds normal is a problem to them.
Even just the fact that they mute you right after, they're like sensitive little children. Moderators deserve their reputations I can't possibly picture this individual as a normal looking person.
That subreddit is full of self hating whackjobs that when being told the truth put their hands over their ears and says ‘LaLaLaLaLa I can’t hear you LaLaLaLaLa’.
The worst sins on reddit:
\#1. Thinking outside the group think.
\#2. Presenting facts or evidence that counter the group think.
\#3. Questioning the decisions of the clique who are moderators or friends with the moderators.
The really messed up thing is that it's STILL better than 90% of the internet. There is no true free speech forum.
Reddit isn’t social media it’s social influence. The biggest Reddit mod was Glisaine Maxwell.she was the mod of politics , world events and over a dozen more. That says enough.
The r/whitepeopletwitter mod is such a fucking tool. I was banned for being racist and the comment they banned me for was saying that black people can be racist. That made me a racist.
These people just prune the discussion into what they want it to be and so those in that sub get into an echo chamber and believe that their ideas are the majority.
Not to tighten my tin foil hat too much, but I really do wonder if a small contingent of these mods are being paid. I mean legacy media outlets have been unprofitable for years but they continue to operate, so someone somewhere is willing to pay for propaganda.
I kind of hope they are getting paid because if they are being partisan hacks for free that's pretty fucking sad
It is a possibility. They could have a strong ability to change the narrative of the election even on the liberal side. That could be favoring certain candidates or even this election banning people who are critical of Biden or knock his age.
Didn't black people twitter get banned for racism?
Reddit and modern society allows you to be as hateful as you want, as long as you are hateful towards to "right" people
My opinion on their right to free speech is separate than my opinion on the group itself. Censorship of free speech in any way is wrong. While I may disagree with them, I fully support their right to say their message.
Yeah, no. Im going to censor the fuck out of you if you come to my home and start running your mouth, AND SO WOULD YOU if i did the same to you.
Free speech is for government; keep it the fuck out of my home. I have the right to shut you the fuck up for any and all reasons here. Just a reminder; you said "in any way". That includes my fucking home, gtfo.
I love it when people on here say that I oppose them because I listen to conservatives. Because in reality it’s people on subs like whitepeopletwitter that turn me off to liberalism the most. Same goes for conservatives on X/Twitter.
arguing against gun reform is "immoral" ?
arguing against it wouldn't mean you are against every part ...
some crazies in CA even want you to have ammo and the gun in separate safes... "please hold on intruder, while I open two safes and load my gun".... they also want to severely restrict how much ammo you can buy (which means **less** practise). they also want to restrict how many rounds the gun can hold, semi-auto handguns, etc.
I’m permanently banned from News cause I stated the ‘T’ should not be part of LGBT on the gay subreddit. I had never written a comment on News. I guess Moderators have freedom when they moderate multiple subs.
Why not? They deal with the same issues as anyone else in the community if not more in some cases. LGBT+ is about creating a safe place for people to express themselves, excluding people because they don't meet your specific requirements is hardly being inclusive.
No just disappointed, you inserted yourself into a conversation and then didn't even have the spine to defend your position, probably because you don't actually have a defense. Simple win for me I guess.
Ah, so you can’t. Like the other person you were trying to defend, you just bolted form the conversation when pressed to stand by your statements. Got it.
Thanks for clearing that up! I’ll be here if you ever figure it out. Until then, dismissed and no further replies.
No further replies? That would be an absolute fucking dream come true for me.
Something tells me that’s not going to happen though. You seem to REALLY need this.
Oh please explain how this is not a win for me? Someone makes a statement, I question that statement and instead of coming up with a counterargument to defend their position, they resort to childish responses.
Man I wish I saved my bans. Hell I got perma banned from the app once (not so perma Ig) for harrassment over an interaction that was a mod insulting me while I was ignoring them and continuing my point. The best part, I agreed with the post that was made. Literally agreed with the post that they claimed I was being disrespectful on.
What a bunch of cuckcunts. And the little bitch had to hide behind a general account and not their own.
Must have been pissy having to pull out of whatever kid or farm animal they were buggering.
Nowadays people think that censoring the truth makes it not true. Too many psychos make their own narratives and act as if it's reality while denying truths.
“WhitePeopleTwitter” has the worse ban policies on Twitter. I was banned for mentioning Dave Chapelle in a favorable way. That sub has gone to absolute shit
I got permabanned there recently for pointing out that E Jean Carroll couldn't remember the year she was raped (which is true), and that her entire endeavor was financed by Obama's closest oligarch
Can't figure out why Reddit permits that sub to exist. Just bashes which people as being evil
I hate that so many subs are run by “freethinkers who want open discussion” and then immediately turn into a mini Hitler the moment they feel like they are not the smartest person in the room (echo chamber).
Seriously, it is getting out of hand. So many takes on so many subs are completely devoid of any actual connection to reality. Just more people vomiting the same word salad over and over
Mods love muting you after talking shit lol. Just like punks on social media who will threaten you or talk shit and then block you so uuu can’t respond . Real tough guys
Oh yeah, I was banned there for pointing that US intelligence community doesn’t use US news sources because they are considered state run.
I was a military intel analyst. That place is just a cesspool of ignorance.
Who fucking cares about the technical details of the rifle. The problem is free access to and proliferation of all types of guns, dummy. You are not being part of the solution, you're part of the problem.
Not saying you deserved a ban, but the "not actually assault rifle" thing is needlessly pedantic, on par with "it's a magazine, not a clip!". You're not adding any clarity to the conversation - everybody already knows what was meant.
Operating a firearm is the highest moral duty you will likely ever engage in. Why? Because it has the power to determine life, into death in less than a 60th of a second.
Pretty big deal. Probably should talk about it.
(Also, I'm a 2A fundamentalist. They're just things. Like chairs.)
Surprised you lasted that long there. It’s one of the biggest echo chambers on Reddit. Stalin, Marx and Bernie Sanders would probably be banned for not left leaning enough
Reddit don’t confuse liberalism for leftism challenge [IMPOSSIBLE]
“Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary” -literally Marx
I say this on reddit all the time but if you look at polls, an overwhelming majority of americans believe it is too easy to get a gun.
As a liberal, the disagreement I have with liberals on guns is that they blame the conservative electorate for the gun violence problem when in reality it is the politicians who have the blood on their hands.
Both sides (and yes, conservatives in particular) engage in bad faith so that no progress is made and they can continue to use guns as a wedge issue instead of talking about wages or healthcare. People are dying preventable deaths in service of maintaining political gridlock
I think the ban is dumb, but:
It would follow logically for many that an assault weapon (term from politics/legislation) that is also a rifle be called an assault rifle (even if it is not select fire.) Add that to people not knowing that AR is a reference to ArmaLite and it’s a completely understandable usage. It also turns out that the most vigilant about correcting these usages are often advocates for extremely limited gun control. As such, their primary goal is not simply enforcing prescriptive use of language.
There is nothing more fragile than a reddit mod. With exception of a reddit admin of course.
Took an perma ban on a old account when it was deemed that pointing out basic differences between rural and urban areas was "spreading racist hate"
Why would you want to argue with a libtard lol. Arguing just validates their position. Mockery and physique-posting is all that you should do with a libtard.
WPT is the most hateful sub I’ve ever seen.
This is a typical WPT and other adjacent subs moderator move - say something completely off the wall to a reasonable question and then mute to not even allow discussion.
Assholes like that don’t deserve to be in charge of dick. I’ve experienced this censorship on left and right wing threads. It’s not just the lefties. We’re just used to seeing it more because the MSM is left wing.
Why don't you post what you really put up on that subreddit?
Because you're saying something about an "Assault Rifle" and the moderator is saying you were banned for arguing against firearm reform. Those don't really line up as the same thing.
I got banned last year from r/politicalhumor because someone commented on a post saying “all conservatives are literally nazis”
My comment was “that is actually not true”
I got permanently Banned
I messaged the moderators and got the same thing
Reddit has really turned into trash. So many subs openly endorsing racism and sexism. And many of those with a blatant leftist political motive.
Years ago, conservatives and liberals switched political parties. I feel that’s happening again. The Right is becoming anti-institutional and individualist while the Left is becoming more censorial and partisan.
This is pretty much ALL of Reddit in 2024. About 5 years ago Reddit started to really just purge anyone with differing opinions. Most sane people just got tired of the site and moved on to other platforms.
I mean, it is basically the only thing that actually is proven to work in literally every other country. The fuck do you expect, people to go with the thing that absolutely stops kids from being mowed down by incels, or some half measure that won't solve the problem but will convenience a bunch of gun nuts who already made it clear they don't care about fixing the issue?
It’s so easy to forget that Reddit isn’t an open forum for discussion. It’s just echo chambers fortified by individuals with absolute power.
The irony of people saying that they encourage discourse then clicking a little down arrow button (or calling a moderator) to smooth out their narrative is amazing.
What’s crazier is how sure we are correct when 100,000 people agree with us…we forget that we banned the 100,000 who didn’t agree with us.
Those don't rep all of em ya goofball lol just like the people that stormed the capital don't rep all of conservatives. There's gonna be crazy folk on both sides that'll give themselves any label they can so they can feel good about being a terrible person to someone just because they are left or right.
Oh i know ive got democrat friends im not really right wing myself i agree more with them but as i see it, let the gay couple gaurd their pot plants with ar15s kinda thought process, i just love when it seems to lean one way or another and the things you can attach to the lable, as long as it doesn't affect my life im good lol
Well yes lead by a democrat so..... i mean your not wrong. But you wont listen to that fact, as the guy before you said their lables funny thing is the leader of jan 6th was a democrat pretending to be a repub, sooo you are 100% correct terrorism lead by the left yet again.
And also a little lesson from the past, youd prolly like to not know, KKK democrat foundation integrated over the years to seem like a right winger thing, also terrorism.
I’m not usually one to use the term “Trump derangement syndrome” but that sub is sick with it. It’s so sad to see a sub that used to be about funny tweets is now just a liberal grievance circle jerk.
I got banned from that sub for listing Obama campaign promises that Trump either partially or completely fulfilled. I even said in the comment I'm the most anti-Trump person I know
What true fascism looks like. I had that happen to me recently on Public Freakout forum because I mentioned to someone that the “ Border deal” that they claimed would fix all our problems really wouldn’t because it allowed 5000 people in a day before they shut down the border. Admin said I was “ Spreading misinformation”
Im banned from them too for asking a question. Not a Tucker Carlson style "just asking questions". I don't know if I even remember the context, but I was replying to a mod who said something outlandish and asked for clarification. I probably also stated my own opinion on the matter, but it's not like I have a history of abusive or rule breaking behavior.
The mods on r/whitepeopletwitter
u/juitar
u/Merari01
u/GabbiKat
u/DaFunkJunkie
u/PhlogistonAster
u/Thryloz
These people have no lives and are just sad basement dwellers with no social skills outside in the real world.
Shrug. It was an over-reaction, but generally people who would go to a sub like that and be pedantic about the proper labelling of a firearm in such a topic have an agenda that runs opposite to the one they want to promote.
Not saying that's you, but I understand why they might assume so.
I'm not a fan of subs that ban all opposing views myself, but hey, its their sub.
This is exactly right. It's an activist sub. Basically when you want to make a comment there imagine you're talking to an Antifa activist, would they agree with you? No, then post at your peril. Yes? It's dicey but probably will be ok.
Yeah, it's always dicey posting in very slanted subs. I comment in Canada_sub regularly, and that is a very right wing sub. I don't usually agree with them, but I don't attack, I just try to point out bad information. I'm actually impressed that they've never banned me.
Yeah, in my experience it's the left who're more open to shutting down speech they don't like. They would say, "yeah, but you're banning books", but seriously, the books are being banned in school libraries, and the books in question are sexual in nature, or contain revisionist racist language; neither belong in schools.
That exact topic is unfortunately full of misrepresentations on both sides. There have been some books that have found their way into school libraries that are questionable, but there have also been widespread banning of books the banners have not read, instead relying on the opinion of ultra-right-wing organizations as to what is bad.
Personally, I would not want the standard of what my kids can and can't read set by a group of far-right Christians full of self hatred.
If you read through OP's profile you will see what he argues for and against. If just one mod decided to review to make a judgment call they wouldn't go further than the comments he makes devil advocating trans rights. There's zero wonder why OP was banned but it makes a good circlejerk to act like it was a singular comment correcting misinformation that did the trick.
I used to love going on that sub and asking what all the posts have to do with white people...
Pure comedy to read them backflip with an explanation then claim they aren't racist.😆
The irony of these people is they tell themselves they oppose bigotry
[Bigotry](https://www.dictionary.com/browse/bigotry): stubborn and complete intolerance of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one's own.
I find it fascinating
From the person who unironically said:
"Capitalism isn’t right wing. They absolutely support Unions."
Your comment and post history is a breakdown of every right-wing talking point from the last few years, conveniently brought up during the Fox News cycle that was running about it.
Something tells me you can't be trusted to be honest with what you actually said, and your comment history suggests that is a reasonable conclusion.
You have two options OP. Participate in the thumbs-up circlejerk or leave quietly. Reddit has become so opinionated, even the non-political subs participate in this BS.
"Hope that helps". The interactions with these people I've had just reinforces what derps they are. I have a sub and an fb group and I'VE only kicked somebody out once, for being a complete creep, and only after trying repeatedly to reason with them. There's an old saying that everybody likes freedom of speech until they hear something they don't like. Now there's no pretense of freedom of speech. I'm just gonna assume this is a systemic, top-down problem with Reddit, just like with other sites. I welcome all views, and calling someone immoral just for having a different view is ridiculous.
Squelching dissenting opinions because they don’t add echo to the chamber sounds about Reddit.
Silencing someone for correcting confirmed misinformation sounds about whitepeopletwitter lol
r/WhitePeopleTwitter is the most liberal fragile echo chamber on reddit and that's a high bar.
It was the first one that banned me. I wear it as a badge of honor. Who the fuck wants to communicate with jojfromjerz and Ron what's his name?
You know they are all paid.
You're better off.
…damn immoral eh? It’s like when you point out guns can be used to save lives and they dismiss the times women use them to prevent assault murder rape. FBI defense gun use data? Irrelevant
I just found a post stating Trump is in a state of rapid mental decline - worse than Biden. Those people are living on a different fucking planet. I don’t even like Trump, but defensing Biden as mentally competent?! The dude who was literally ruled unfit to face charges?
That sub is awful. I corrected a misleading tweet about Elon Musk a few months ago on another account and got banned. It was a perfectly reasonable comment. I don't even like Elon.
At least you were given an explanation. They didn't respond when I asked what I did wrong. I just received a temporary mute to message the mods like you did.
Funnily enough I used to be pretty hard left but these types of people made me see the light and realize that extremes really are on both sides and no, one extreme is not better than the other. Both extremes rely on misleading or false information to inflame their base against the opposing viewpoints.
Redditors complain about Facebook and Twitter inflaming the radicals but I see just as much, if not more, on Reddit.
It’s always a good indication that I’m around the wrong type of people if they are so damn quick to burn bridges or make heavy statements in regard to their black and white political positions.
Double that if they are going on making claims about the morals of others around them in this conversation. It would take a pretty fucked up radical position for me to even consider you bad as a person overall. That’s such a serious thing to say so casually.
The worst part is these people really barely even care nor have they actually done much if any research into the issue and why they believe what they do. It’s just a chance to yell and tell themselves how good of a person they are.
second amendment bitch, it's not gun reform we need it's stopping the insane from getting one in the first place and not allowing non-citizens to get one legally at least. that's all
Aaaahhhhh Reddit. The slightest difference of opinion results in a permanent ban. Wouldn’t want to have constructive discussion about anything if you can just label the other side immoral and ban them.
“We view your beliefs as immoral and therefore are silencing you”
The very next argument by that same person
“YoU aRe A NaZi”
We live in a fucking enlightened authors book. This has to be a simulation designed to see just how far bent and hypocritical this world can get before people just implode on themselves.
Also would like to know how OP managed to message moderators without getting a 3 day Reddit ban all around.. because I romantically get banned for ANY message I send back to mods, even when it’s well worded and not offensive.
Whether or not you're banned from wpt is just a sorting mechanism for people with double digit IQs. Congrats on being sorted into the good half.
It is by far the worst echo chamber on this entire platform.
This place does not support any ideas, opinions, or facts that go against the regime approved narrative. Make no mistake, Goebbels would be proud of the United States of America Department of Re-education
Good. Because you're the worst type of dweeb poindexter to try to pettifog the Gun problem in this country because you want to be dweebish.
It's equivalent to going "bUt It IsNt A cLiP iTs A mAgAzInE" comments. Nobody fucking cares. Talk about the issue with a level of intellectual honesty or get banned.
Yeah, semantics arguments are made when gun lovers have nothing else. They're not discussing gun control in good faith. I've got no problem with them being excluded from the conversation.
The entire thesis behind "assault rifle" bans shows who's a braindead NPC vs who isn't.
Modern day civilian rifles are simply semiautomatic rifles. If you allow the government to keep banning "assault rifles" they'll eventually ban all semiautomatic rifles then handguns which also can hold 30rds and be fired at the same rate
Someone can do the same or worse damage with a 45-70 lever action rifle which has been around since the 1800s. People aren't committing mass shootings at 200-300m, they're close range Which means any type of gun can inflict the same damage.
This isn't a gun issue people, it's a sin problem.
Well, first you gotta define what an "assault rifle" is, but then it's probably one of those things like "what is a woman" that simply cannot be answered lol
>as·sault ri·fle
noun
a rapid-fire, magazine-fed automatic rifle designed for infantry use.
From Google \^\^\^
An AR-15 is not an assault rifle (also AR doesn't stand for assault rifle), it's a poorly made semi-automatic rifle replica with stripped down features of an actual assault rifle the M-16, which is largely a piece of junk itself. I'd say the only thing that makes it more dangerous than other semi-automatic rifles is that it can have a higher capacity magazine than others, out of the box. But you can modify basically any semi-auto rifle to do the same. If these people had any sense they would be using AK-47's, or even an SKS, but they saw too many war movies and Call of Duty and thought it was the best tool. The AR-15 and M16 jam so often they have a huge button you're meant to beat on to push the bolt forward in case it doesn't seat right. In basic they had this long class on how to recover from jams, and it happened often. In Iraq our weapons barely fired because if you get dust or if the rifle doesn't have a lot of oil in it, it was bind and no longer fire.
Actually they are both “automatic” as the automatic part is just a term that refers to the type of “action” (the mechanism of how it loads, fires, ejects the spent casing/shell, and is ready to fire again) for example:
a “bolt action” firearm (like the M1903 Springfield) requires the shooter to manually operate the bolt to load a round.
A “pump action” firearm (like the Remington 870 shotgun) is similar but rather than the shooter operating the bolt itself they use the pump to remove spent shells and load new ones.
A “break action” firearm (like the Winchester Model 21 shotgun) the shooter has to open or “break” the firearm at the hinge between the firing mechanism and the barrel to load and unload shells.
The AR-15 and the M16 both have an “automatic” action where after the first round is fired the firearms automatically eject the spent casing and loads another round. The distinction between the two is that the M16 also has the option to continue to cycle the action to fire multiple rounds without the shooter resetting the trigger each time.
Automatic implies fully automatic, which are not even available to civilians.
Semi auto is the action of many firearms and has been in existence since or before 1911. Semi auto is not "automatic".
Man, I didn't realize until just now that the Second Ammendment is immoral, and if you don't think so, mods will just curbstomp your First Ammendment so they can enjoy their Second Ammendment-free echo chamber.
In other words, they want to violate people's constitutionally guaranteed Rights and will censor any facts that counter the propaganda to further their civil rights violating agenda. These people are the modern equivalent of the Klan.
I got a Reddit IP ban in 2017 for saying that the Prime Minister of Belgium was a “globalist banker”
Was in Reddits system for 6 years, until my IP changed AND I got a new computer without all the identifiers linked to me that trigger the Auto-Ban mechanism….
That’s pretty funny that it says they will ban people for immoral acts and we all know gun control is being able to hit your target lol but yet they will turn around and post things that are woke which basically means communist acts and comments are OK because we all know that woke means the beginning of communism
I got banned from /Black Lives Matter, a place where I posted a few links to hundreds of upvotes, because I also posted in /conservative. They said people who participate in that sub had been harassing people in the BLM sub. I didn't even know mods had tools to track that stuff.
I was in /conservative pointing out their hypocrisies. I told that to the mod when I got banned. They didn't reply.
I also got banned from /jokes because I made a pun that had LGBTQ in it -- saying the joke was promoting hate. It was not a hateful joke in anyway shape or form. I just mentioned LGBTQ as the pun relied on the "Q" sound.
I've never even been allowed to comment on /whitepeopletwitter and I don't know why.
I got a perma ban for saying that someone supporting a harsher sentence on a woman getting an abortion than the guy who raped her gets is not inconsistent if they think abortion is equivalent to murder. I even explicitly explained in the comment that I disagreed with this viewpoint, I just acknowledge that it is consistent with the fact that most people would say a murderer should get a harsher sentence than a rapist.
Reddit really needs to do something about moderators. I have had my account banned for people disagreeing with me, like legit got my whole account banned. Even Reddit itself has overturned them. I don’t even hold any extreme views. Moderators on this platform get away with too much and it needs to honestly be stamped down.
That sub is just hardcore echo chamber. That response is like what you’d get from a bratty 8 year old telling you “I’m not listening” and sticks their fingers in their ears. I thought about making a Twitter with just screenshots of their sub and calling it “libsofreddit” or something. Could also include r/terriblefacebookmemes 😂
So...
Any mod anywhere can just say that your common beliefs are immoral and they can ban you?
So if I'm a mod on a stonemasonry sub and someone argues for gun reform, I can simply decide that they're immoral and ban them?
All freedom of speech means is that the government will not jail you for it.
If you go to a website and click their terms and conditions. It means your speech may be limited to their rules.
Well you forgot about the fact that because they are classified as a media source, and the first amendment also gives us the right to freedom of the press/media, they also have to follow the constitution since it's a federal documentation and law. Which means they can't censor your speech. Facebook got in trouble for the exact same thing.
They banned me from whitepeopletwitter for talking about the 1st amendment lololol. I don’t even go to their lame subreddit. I blocked it long ago. Nice try hurting my feelings ya clowns lol. What will I do without their biased shiddy opinions on my feed?
They banned me from whitepeopletwitter for talking about the 1st amendment lololol. I don’t even go to their lame subreddit. I blocked it long ago. Nice try hurting my feelings ya clowns lol. What will I do without their biased shiddy opinions on my feed?
The mods there violated rule 3 of the moderation code of conduct. They are not supposed to interfere or disrupt other Reddit communities and here they are harassing me over simply posting in this thread. I said nothing about them. Check my comments.
Checked your comment history and i can see that this wasn't really the only reason. You are a gun nut and use quite dishonest arguments... constantly. For ex, you constantly respond to gun control by saying how it is the same as removing freedom of speech, when gun control does not remove your right to have a gun, it just limits it. And when it comes to limiting speech: you live in a country that already limits speech, certain forms of it are not allowed. All rights are limited since sooner or later unlimited rights will collide with other rights.
I found the conversation you had and it is NOT just for one comment, it is for repeated comments that are in a style of:
>How would mental checks work? And remember the standard you use would have to be applicable to other rights like free speech and voting.
That is not how any of this works, you can't demand we use exactly the same requirements for different things. How do you make speed limits compatible with free speech? Speed limits are limiting your freedom of movement. Use the same logic with free speech. See? You can't do it, because they are two completely different things.
This repeats in your arguments constantly, either it is stupidity or dishonesty. Either you KNOW those things are not compatible and thus the task you require others to accomplish is impossible, or you really thought that was a real "gotcha".. which would make you fairly unclever.
Also: once you write something to the internet, it is always there... Don't think that just because mods remove your comments they are not visible. We can check if you told the whole truth..
I’m for gun reform. I’m also for banning psychotic discourse. We don’t need to, for example, debate if genocide or rape is chill.
But gun reform should absolutely be debated. It’s such a nuanced issue.
I hate that Reddit mods act like emperors. Most if not all are chronically online blowhards with less brain cells than limbs.
Mods are so dumb I called someone out for defending pedophiles in a Vancouver page and the moderators sided with them I got banned aswell for asking for clarification as to why my comment warranted a removal but the person defending pedos is fine and didn't get removed
That page is about as left leaning as you can get, facepalm is up there in the top 2 as well. What surprised me was I didn’t expect either to be very political.
Most people saying "that is not an assault rifle" don't have a clue what the definition is. As per the US army " short, compact, selective-fire weapons that fire a cartridge intermediate in power between submachine gun and rifle cartridges.".
So it probably was an assault rifle.
Fascist control of speech. The lefts quest to silence the rights fascist speech has become a slippery slope. Now they can label anything they disagree with immoral and silence you. Fascist in blue or fascist I'm red. Take your pick.
From what I can tell that subreddit is a cesspool full of deranged people. It's kind of like some of these other subreddits that will ban you for even commenting on a subreddit they don't like. You weren't going to make any progress there anyway, they're too far gone in most cases.
I cant find the post you're talking about. I've scrolled their page for a while and there isn't a single post about an assault rifle that I can find. Can you link it?
Starting to think maybe you aren't being completely truthful about why you were banned.
They had a story long ago about something crazy that Mississippi was planning. I commented, "Every day they validate the unofficial Alabama state motto 'Thank God for Mississippi'"
[Banned](https://imgur.com/Y5o7BTA)!
I responded, "you people can't take a joke?"
"No, you thanked God for Mississippi in response to Mississippi being awful, indicating a love for their evil."
You can't reason with stupid.
What were the actual comments? Looking at your profile you do argue against gun reform in other subs so it's hard to imagine you weren't taking a stance in opposition to gun reform here. You also argue against trans rights, argue on right leaning agenda topics, etc. It's clear you aren't the type of person that sub wants to participate so none of this is a shock.
I have a coworker that is adamantly against all guns.
One day, near the end of a long, busy, and stressful day, she says “omg guys, I was sooo fucking mad today, like if I had a gun, I would’ve shot each and every person in this building.”
So basically, she’s been projecting her lack of trust in her own self control on everyone else…. Go figure
Lmfao that sub is a cesspool pool. I got banned pointing out that the average man can bench 135lbs the first day they step into a gym while a woman typically has to train and diet consistently for an entire year to hit that number.
The context was they were talking about trans women in women’s sports. Didn’t say anything else. Just made the above statement. Banned for “bigotry”
I got permanently banned from personalfinance for congratulating someone for paying their student loans instead of demanding others pay it. No warnings either. First time offense and permanent ban. The jannies there are unhinged.
Making up and redefining terms and then banning someone for disagreeing seems to be the thing today. It not the weapon. If someone is going to engage in sick, cowardly behavior, they are going to find a way.
I’m reminded of a meme that seems to fit here:
A teacher tells their class that guns kill people. Upon receiving an F the student reply’s that he did not fail the test, the pencil failed the test.
Same analogy~
Whereas,
A) the shooting was a form of assault.
B) the gun in question was black and long-ish.
therefore, let it be resolved that the gun was an assault rifle.
Got banned from /r/WorkersStrikeBack for commenting how their anti-nato stance made them sound like Trump, mod muted me because he couldn’t have any thoughtful debate.
My favorite is when you get banned from a sub you never even visited because you commented in a spot they didn't like. It's like getting a phone-call from a complete stranger who is taunting you because they didn't invite you to their birthday party. You'd be sad but... no clue who it is anyway.
It says you were temporarily muted, not banned. It says it right there in your screenshot.
The snowflakism and fake victimhood in this thread is out of control.
You could be right. It's funny that OP stewed over this for a month before crying to reddit about it. Some people need to get a life so they can focus on something else besides all the Ls they're taking.
I can just picture a mountain of a neckbeard with thick glasses and a severe overbite, chomping away at his Doritos and chugging directly from the 2L Pepsi bottle.
I was banned for pointing out the news story they were jumping all over was false. It was a misattributed quote. Plainly objectively false. Instant permaban.
Stuff like this is moderator overreach in my eyes. Silencing sides to a political opinion is fascist and disgusting and Reddit seriously shouldnt allow it except in the true echo chamber subs to avoid chaos. If it was r/gunreform then I would understand but that subreddit has nothing to do with guns, it’s just biased and pathetic.
Legitimately would have no qualms with beating up a Reddit mod irl. It would be 1000% worth the prison time lol. They’re such pretentious assholes and love to morally grandstand and ban people who disagree with them. Yet they probably also hate fascists despite literally acting like them
I got banned from WPT because I commented that the twitter account post screenshots of that Jeff dude was a known paid shill that literally gets paid to post engagement ragebait.
Reddit has a few very bad echo chamber circlejerks. Both politics and conservatives for example, but WhitePeopleTwitter is with out a doubt thee BIGGEST echo chamber on this site.
I bet if i post in \_ANY\_ conservative subreddit, Id get banned within a second.
I also bet ill get banned from this subreddit, as soon as I post this.
The whole front page of reddit was Trump voted worst president ever. Don't like him either but I'm not an extremist and know others were way worse. People bringing up massacres and the trail of tears were down voted and belittled. Reddit is a propagandist shithole. There is a reason r/watchpeopledie is banned but you can watch Russians and middle easterners get their heads blown off in HD. Oh yeah and now it's right wing to not want to send our tax money to fund proxy wars over land and resources. America is not protecting Ukraine because they are the good guys. They have a vested interest in the region.
I got banned from a birth control subreddit for laughing at some dude not wearing a condom and I misjudged a woman for taking 4 birth control pills at once because they didnt have Plan B. Man I felt like an idiot, but i apologize to the moderator and I learned My lesson. Look up Emergency contraceptive methods instead of bashing Someone else
I got banned once for just asking a question. I asked how/why people think banning ARs or “assault weapons” and “high capacity magazines” will somehow curb “gun violence” since it has been proven that over 60% of all shooting deaths or so called “gun violence” is actually suicide? I mean, how many times does someone pull the trigger in a suicide attempt?
Man. Folks absolutely lose their shit if you question their false narrative on anything.
Lol being banned from that sub is a badge of honor. Its nothing but groupthink propaganda. Even the sub's name is racist. And reddit allowing that sub to exist speaks volumes.
They banned me for providing links to several studies disagreeing with a post. Boom, banned, mod said “your links are staying blue I’m not reading lies”.
I got banned from that sub because I suggested that people read court transcripts to find out what happened in a trial. The mod of that sub is a child.
The running odds right now are gang bangers doing there classic spray and pray style of shooting. Lesser odds on a terrorist attack.
Yes people will bet on anything.
The willful ignorance saddens me. The vehement opposition to information that could mean you believed a lie is counter productive. The extreme antigun propaganda is just as bad as the garbage pumped out by the NRA. Sorry but even liberal news isn't 100% accurate when it comes to guns.
I get downvoted and trolled every time, every where I try to explain what the assault weapon ban in the 90's did and did not do. It literally banned no guns at all, just specific parts of the guns. My father and i bought an ak47 and an ar15 during the ban legally but some people's feelings simply cannot be changed by the truth. They always resort to the argument that gun violence was lower during that time but correlation does not equal causation. We, as a country, we're doing much better at pretty much everything compared to now but they ignore that because it doesn't fit their narrative. The best part is that I'm all for better gun law, and I hate the NRA. My issue is that we cannot move forward without understanding where we came from. If you believe ar15s were completely banned and illegal to purchase during the ban how could you possibly understand the data about lower gun violence at the same time and what caused that. What caused it to go up now? It has nothing to do with the ban going away. I don't want to argue, I just want to educate and then we can have sensible discussions and hopefully, from that, better laws.
If the political class really cared about limiting guns they would ban hand guns - you know the type used in overwhelming numbers for crimes & suicide.
Real red light laws that protects Va. the crazy ex syndrome.
And more robust background checks. With penalties for obligated reporters not reporting.
i am just sick of the leftist rhetoric all over reddit. i am by no means a conservative, but i do believe in free speech, sucks to see it sucked away on a platform like reddit.
When I was in the Navy during the Cold War we had one guy who was banned from handling any fire arm at any time-he failed qualification for the M-14, .45 APC, and shotgun - shoot 5 loads of buck shot at a 55 gallon drum from 10 feet
He was 0 for 5.
Ii mean the reasoning is dumb, but on a side note O hate the "Assault Rifle" discourse. It's gross to argue semantics in regards to a shooting, and recently right-wingers have increasingly started pretending that "Assault Rifle" is a made-up term or something (it isn't) while simultaneously accusing gun control supporters of not understanding proper terminology.
The Germans were the first to be on the business end of an assault rifle in WW2.
It was a specialty weapon to lay down some hurt in support of the standard bolt action rifle carrying cannon fo… I mean infantry.
Most Armies trended away from them into the 70s. When everyone’s favorite rifle showed up in 5.56. Then it was made into a carbine. Now the army is going to the 6.8 for their next rifle.
No word on if a larger caliber squad level assault rifle is lurking behind the next corner.
What does this have to do with anything? Also that's incorrect: "business end" means on the receiving end, so if the Nazis were using the Sturmgewehr, they're not on the business end.
Also the AR-15/M16 series are absolutely still Assault Rifles, as while 5.56×45mm is smaller than the 7.62×39mm or 7.92×33mm it's still considered an intermediate rifle cartridge. The "intermediate cartridge" is literally what makes an AK-47 or M16 an Assault Rifle. The FAL and M14 weren't considered Assault Rifles despite also being select fire because they're chambered in the more powerful 7.62×51mm NATO cartridge, and the new 6.8×51mm is much closer to that than the 5.56.
Because of all that most countries didn't "trend away from them in the 70s.", The 7.62×39 AK platform was (and still is) probably the most widespread, but the Western-aligned armies usually had FALs (not an assault rifle) and didn't swap over until 5.56 became more prevalent. NATO adopted it as a cartrige in 1977, but most countries stuck with 7.62×51 for at least another decade.
TL;DR: many errors in your comment
Trying to explain why the civilian version of the AR platform is not an assault rifle is futile.
Not that I’m enamored with them.
Bolt action rifle for life!
I got banned completely from commenting because I said that I felt that kink should be left out of LGBTQ+ events that are advertised as family friendly. I am a member of the LGBTQ+ community. But it didn’t matter because it was “closed minded, homophobic, and bigoted.”
I was eventually allowed to comment again after being told to read this long winded, completely unrelated post that this mod had obviously made under a different username.
Those censors on the jeopardy board didn’t like that I didn’t like a contestant. I got banned. I didn’t even call her a name I just mentioned that she had no personality.
90% of a mods job is to enforce groupthink. There isn't enough actual shitposting to warrant a battery of mods.
Also, that is a succ sub. It'd be like going into r/antiwork and dropping some econ101.
that's why i don't post online anymore they censor too much. they want a platform whitewashed and run by bots let them, it will die like all the sites before it replaced with some mom and pop site that blows up and gets big to continue the stupid cycle
I've spent so many hours wasting my time contemplating how to get even with the piece of shit people that moderate Reddit. Especially over at r/worldnews
No don’t worry every time I make a new name from getting Perma band on Reddit. The first place that I am banned from is r/whitepeopleTwitter then its r/worldnews
They like to just hear their own echoes, any kind of thinking goes against their beliefs Next I’m banned from r/ukrainerussiareport cause they’ve turned into a Russian bot farm all talking to each other about Victoria nuland taking over Ukraine in 2014 and how the west is turning Ukrainians gay by modifying bat DNAz. It’s like a propagandist echo chamber
I just can’t fucking take it. Yeah I keep coming back.
I like r/nnn
Can somone please tell me wtf is whitepeopletwitter supposed to be? I thought it was a sub making fun of white people or it’s a racist only white people group?
Ha ha, White People Twitter just permabanned me for this comment! Not even on their sub, and just for saying "Banned and then muted." Wow. The insecurity is palpable.
The name of that sub is stupid. But they can call themselves whatever they want, and they can allow or remove any content they want. That's how Reddit works. If those mods perceive a poster is not in favor of gun reform (which is arguably vague) and they would rather that content not appear, that's their prerogative, no? I would imagine you favor SOME gun reforms. Assuming that is the case, which reforms are you in favor of?
So I looked through all the threads and the only one that looks like it could be it is the post about Taylor donating to the shooting victims of the parade. There is literally no post or other information alleging an assault weapon so why would you even bring that up?
I got a 20 Day ban from r/SeattleWA for calling the pro-Palestine protesters who are blocking roads here "terrorist supporters". They were carrying signs that said "free all prisoners" (many of the prisoners are baby killers, rapists and terrorists) and advocating for genocide. $5 says the mod who censored me would get tortured/smoked by Hamas for their beliefs and lifestyle.
WPT is one of those bastions for the “I can’t be racist because white people are the worst” and the self loathing pick-me white leftists. Narrative matters infinitely more than facts there.
Wait, it says “we ban people who argue against gun control here,” and you argue against gun control. That took two seconds to find.
https://www.reddit.com/r/TikTokCringe/s/XOq0amoEMs
The title is misleading, it should say, “banned for arguing against gun control and I don’t think they should be allowed to do that.”
I had the same terrible experience. I stated a fact and was permanently banned. When I dared to ask why I was muted for a month. No warning or reason, just straight up corporate censorship.
Far too many subs have mods that think their personal politics are justification enough to ban people. The idea that all gun control is moral is on its face absurd. this is what happens when people don't have policy solutions rather they have a religion where their side is good and all others are evil.
I got banned from r/politics for calling someone a brick wall after they said I was in the maga cult. They said it was because “you didn’t treat others with respect. Attack opinions not people.” I asked for why the other person wasn’t banned and they claimed it didn’t violate the rules. Absolute retards.
We need more context...
The argumentative correction on the term assault rifle is often used as semantic argument to dismiss vital facts in a subject.
For instance, if someone calls a semiautomatic AR-15 an assault rifle incorrectly, but does so in describing it in the context of 'this assault rifle killed 16 innocent people' it isn't what you're calling the weapon that matters. It's what the weapon did. Any semantic argument is just a distraction from reality. The names of things do not matter in this situation. Any pedantry about weapon terminology is moot, everyone understands death, and that's what's being discussed.
Now if the subject is 'are assault rifles more dangerous than hunting rifles' then yes, clear distinction of each item must be drawn. The names only matter so much as labels for their strict definitions. The same could be said for any in depth discussion about mechanics, history, culture, etcetera surrounding weapons.
So if you said a weapon used wasn't an assault rifle, because you were trying to change the subject to distract from a wrong doing, then yes, you're at fault. What you were doing was it's own form of censorship called obfuscation. You make sure the actual subject isn't talked about because you intentionally make the conversation about something unrelated. It's not as blatant of censorship as outright banning someone, but it is as effective at stoping someone from talking about what matters.
We've seen this form of censorship against all manner of protests and conversations, making the subject about how they're protesting or specific words or terms they use instead of what they're actually saying. This is only done by people who don't have a real argument. They have to nitpick to distract from the discussion.
Even then, the person is wrong.
"The weapon" didn't do anything. It's an inanimate object. The person HOLDING it did the thing.
We don't put objects on trial for crimes, we put PEOPLE on trial for crimes, because objects don't have agency.
Want a subreddit that feels like it is customized for teenagers that just started paying attention to the world around them 5 minutes ago and are experts? Then r/whitepeopletwitter is the subreddit for you!!! Where context is gone and a tweet is all the source needed.
"People who argue against gun reform"
I agree, 2A says we have the right to keep and bear arms, there are way too many restrictions. Let's take it back baby!
Most of the popular subreddits are used as brainwashing tools now. Any dissenters are immediately banned no matter how unreasonable because it's not about reason, it's about reinforcing their message.
I think you would benefit from therapy. Look how much effort you put into this. Guns have clearly filled a hole in your heart where in normal people something else resides.
Average internet leftists are fucking a brain tumor to society.
The only good thing about them is that they’re unlikely to ever reproduce, and honestly, thank fucking god.
That's super frustrating, mods should be more professional than that. But this is on par with all of my interactions with reddit mods as well.
They're the most pathetic human beings you can possibly think of
I had my previous account banned for suggesting that theft is not okay and only exacerbates the creation of food deserts. The Mods called me a "bootlicker" first and then, banned me.
reddit is the fucking worst dude. bunch of censored safe spaces where all dissent is banned. i was banned for a week from the whole site for commenting rest in piss on a post about mitch mcconnell falling down he didnt even die
I asked the mods why I got banned, their reply:
"You should know better than to participate on a subreddit where by definition every single post breaks sitewide rules... We don't allow people to be abusive in modmail. How we proceed from here is up to you."
Imagine getting that fired up because someone might have the sheer audacity to comment on a post that made it to Reddit front page
Lol I've been banned from there for about a year, when the Harry Potter game came out and they where constantly bashing anyone who played it, I had the unthinkable opinion that maybe the streamers just had fond memories about the series and where not transphobic. I was banned for being transphobic.
Yeah my last account got permanently banned from a couple subreddits for posting the ☕️ emoji. Now look I wasn’t trying to be a good guy but perma ban? Mods got me wondering sometimes man.
Its reddit in general got banned from republicans for telling a guy he needs to be put on the no fly list. who's stating every democrat needs to be brutally slaughtered whatever the age, gender, or nationality. What he said implies outright slaughter against anyone who ever voted democrat.
“We don’t want the immoral to participate here”
Holy fucking gaslighting Batman. Fuck that stupid, slack jawed, knuckle dragging, sour brown rotten crotch of a moderator.
Immoral? Wouldn’t it be considered immoral for people supporting a tyrannical entity coming and taking our constitutional rights? The entire premise of the 2nd A is to allow us to have the same guns as any threatening body to We the People. It’s not for hunting, or sports shooting, it’s to protect ourselves from foreign invasion or a tyrannical government which both are presently huge threats.
Wow what a totally unbiased reasonable group of individuals! I bet they're totally respectful of the fact that you have a differing opinion than they do
Reddit has horrible echo chamber mentality. Why I hardly ever bother logging in. The political ideology of the left dominated most subs to a fault and don’t you dare post anything contrarian or controversial. Even subs that are supposed to not have a political slant are dishonest. Look at things like r/energy for a glimpse on how far it reaches. The banning of people is the cherry on top.
Lol I actually got banned from combat footage for saying "poke the bear, get bit" about the Hamas/Israeli war... Said it was a racist comment.... Thought reddit was supposed to be somewhat of a place to speak your mind
“We do not want the immoral to participate here”
Immoral by whose standards? Lol JFC they might as well just outright admit their sub is an echo chamber at this point.
There are so many subs like that, they ban you for the reason what they claim to despise. Blackpeopletwitter, whitepeopletwitter, gamingcirclejerk, etc. Just disgusting people thinking they have a moral high ground while being hypocritical.
They don't know what one is. They confuse the term with AR and they also confuse AR with "semiautomatic" which is why they report dumb shit like "the naval yard shooter had an AR-15 shotgun"
I got banned from reddit and had to make another account once because in whitepeople Twitter there was a post about Joe rogan and every single comment was joe rogan negativity and I commented word for word "I don't see any positive comment on this thread" and I got banned and they wouldn't tell me why
I see where you're coming from. But responding with "it wasn't an AR!" for the 10th year in a row when people get shot in the brain and stop existing forever is starting to get tiring for some people. I'm pro 2nd amendment and those people (you) annoy tf out of me.
Snowflake libs at it again!
Joking aside, it really is ridiculous to be banned for stating a fact. Situations like this always remind me of the Eric Andre skit where people are booing Hannibal Buress for stating a fact.
Politics subs tend to be overrun with bots which is what reddit wants to push user engagement. Most normal people actually have little to no interest in politics. I guess kremlin and other bots think otherwise.
Ah yes “the immoral” oddly enough the mouth breathers on that subreddit could just as easily have their argument turned around on them. Because guns are a problem in some places but the places with the worst gun problems are places that have banned guns and have the strictest regulations on guns.
Also wait til they find out that the Uber vast majority of murders committed with guns use handguns and not rifles
I got banned from that sub for something equally as ambiguous. They just ban anyone who even remotely says anything right leaning.
That sub only exists for the leftist redditors to echo chamber in. Honestly that sub is borderline racist against white people.
Liberals also support free speech, which they absolutely do not support free speech on that subreddit. And they do not support capitalism there, they actively oppose it in fact
You know its a mod who Just wants to Show he can do whatever he wants and wants to feel "above" anyone, when he gives you a weak ass explanation and Mutes you.
Jeez.
You're not being 100% genuine here. If you look at ALL your comments in that thread, it's clear you are advocating against common sense gun laws. The mods of that sub saw them and given that obvious context, interpreted your last message as someone who's commenting in bad faith against common sense gun laws.
I've been on Reddit for a while and consequently have been banned many times. I usually see where they're coming from (can't have any counterargument to the narrative no matter how factual, even when the narrative is proven to be reactionary, reliant on emotion over fact). That being said, the white twitter sub is the most egregious, censor happy sub I have ever seen. They banned me 3 separate times and officially retired my IP for posting 2A / gun violence facts. Every single fact easily verifiable. Doesn't matter, guns are bad and you're a moron if you think people should own and know how to use them. Also, cops are bad but just call them if you're in your home and someone is about to kill you, because guns are bad there's no reason to own one. Yes, celebrities and politicians can use tax dollars to hire armed protection because they're better than you, guns are bad.
Your greatest accomplishment is [being so racist that your comments were removed from r/conservative:](https://www.reddit.com/r/Conservative/comments/1aut8tv/charles_barkley_says_san_francisco_is_getting_so/kr7sq34/). That's quite a feat.
Ah, the glorious act of banning a perceived threat due to ignorance followed by the toddler action of not speaking to them anymore. Truly how the reddit moderator works.
I was banned from WPT for being against gun control. Their ban note said "You are against gun control, which is horrendous. This is a permanent ban, there is no appeal", and then they muted me for a week so I couldn't ask for clarification as to how that is against the rules.
Another new sub for the delulu 2a idiots 😂. I wish reddit would stop this suggestion garbage. If I wanted to engage with reality deniers I'd go to twitter.
That's how the leftist kids get down. They will do anything to shut up anybody who has a dissenting opinion, all while calling everybody else a nazi fascist.
I was banned from a music group’s subreddit because I shared a link to a cool T-shirt for sale. The band historically hasn’t done a lot of merch, so I thought the subreddit would appreciate it. I was instantly banned. When I asked for an explanation, the mod’s reply was “spam.” I stated my reasoning for sharing the link but was met with silence. Some of these mods can shampoo my crotch.
I mean, they probably banned you for arguing semantics. Like people died and the only thing you can muster up is, “Um Ackchually, an AR15 isn’t an assault rifle becuz it can’t burst or auto fire.”
Like, it fires a rifle cartridge, it’s exceptionally good at slaying men. Does it really matter that you’re mag dumping in 5 seconds instead of 3?
If it was about KC, it didn't fit the current anti gun Narrative. You don't hear about that shooting. Once they found out it wasn't a crazy white guy. Just more minority on minority violence.
The “immoral” ☠️ Man… I’m so glad we’re the ones with guns, if anyone is truly immoral, it’s most likely them. Only criminals and tyrants don’t want good people (which most gun owners are) to be armed.
I got banned from r/capitolconsequences because I pointed out that nobody should be listening to Candace Owens since she called herself an Uncle Tom and clearly didn’t care about black people.
Heads up if anyone cares. Those babies will ban you from their sub just for commenting on here. Who even has the time in their day to do that? I wish I could waste my time on such meaningless stuff.
White people Twitter BANS anyone who's ever visited a Dave Chappelle room. Talk about panties in a bunch. Dave Owns Reddit moderators head 🌞 Reddit is totally cool with it.
I got banned for stating the military no longer requires the Vax. It's 100% TRUE!!!
I'm still permanently banned for stating TRUE FACTS. Moderators don't care about facts. Just there personal opinion.
"we do not want the immoral to participate here" well there it is folks. Loud and clear. No objective criteria, merely their subjective sense of morality. They should delete the subs rules and simply say "good vibes only."
I got banned from there for having the audacity to say that people who vote for Trump SHOULDN'T be immediately sent to prison or hanged. I'm not even a conservative! God forbid I don't believe in capital punishment for dissenting political views. The place is a cesspool.
Welcome to reddit, where small people think they have power as a moderator, as opposed to their realworld miserable lives where they couldn't figure out their head from their ass.
Show antigun people FBI statics that gun owners actually prevent and stop millions of crimes per year and they point to a hand full of terrible situations that wouldn’t have been prevented anyways. The dumbing down of America is almost complete.
I was banned from that sub after supporting the asylum seeking process. Reason? "We ban racists". Which is pretty funny when you consider I live in a country that's less than 10% white, my ex wife is mixed race (think Trevor Noah), my foster son is half-Xhosa half-Zimbabwean, my best friend is Zulu, the families that live either side of me are mixed race on one side and Muslim on the other, and I speak Xhosa as a third language. I feel like the mods of that sub would ban the Pope for being Jewish.
i forget what nonsensical reason they banned me over. that sub is goofy as fuck.
those folks are funny on this topic. on one hand "democracy is at stake, if Trump wins we're gonna be thrown into concentration camps" yet on the other disarm yourselves and kindly get in a cattle cart. in their reality men and women old enough to serve and die for this country are children too. truly a mixed up lot.
Oh and also censor any opinion that goes against their revolving beliefs. Very cult like… Watch your back with those folks, they are more likely to throw you in the concentration camp.
Haha whitepeopletwitter it should be called whitesaviortwitter. All they do on there is talk about how white people can save the world because we all know nonwhites need saving 🤣
It's an echo chamber for complete idiots who don't believe in reason or having a sensible debate or argument. If you're not in board or have the same views and outlook...... BANNED.
Banning people who argue against "gun reform"?
More like banning people who are against totalitarian attempts to revoke god-given rights.
Absolute bullshit.
You're arguing semantics.
In a very real sense, an AR-15 is largely seen as an assault rifle.
Sure, it doesn't meet a strictly defined description of an assault rifle, but...
If it looks like a duck, flies like a duck, and quacks like a duck.
I'm someone who understands that an AR-15 doesn't meet certain legal requirements to be an assault rifle, but I agree that it may as well be one when it's placed in irresponsible hands.
I know this won't be taken well by a certain number of people, but, in the end, it's close enough for public discourse.
I also don't think that Star Trek and Star Wars are too fundamentally different: they both showcase hopeful optimism over realistic brutality, while showing the good and bad.
My opinion may not be popular, but it is nuanced and based on real factors instead of nit picky details.
"They don't change thier views to fit the facts, they change the facts to fit thier views. Which is a terrible inconvenience if you are one of the facts that needs changing."
Funny thing is I just got a message from m whitepeopletwitter saying I was being banned there because I participated here.
Which I’m fine with. Whitepeopletwitter is a racist sub and I was intentionally avoiding it for that reason.
They banned me from whitepeopletwitter for talking about the 1st amendment on this post lololol. I don’t even go to their lame subreddit. I blocked it long ago. Nice try hurting my feelings ya clowns lol. What will I do without their biased shiddy opinions on my feed?
The mods there violated rule 3 of the moderation code of conduct. They are not supposed to interfere or disrupt other Reddit communities and here they are harassing me over simply posting in this thread. I said nothing about them and I am getting all these messages in my inbox from them….
sometimes reddit mods will just ban you cause they get angry at your opinion
then you read their convoluted rules and realize is all just bs and a person makes the decision and if it doesn’t align with their views you bet they will ban you
reddit is one of the most censored places on the net you have to be really careful what you say. Freedom of speech here doesn’t even come close to the amazing X platform where people seem to be able to post whatever. Instagram is also very generous
mods get a major power trip even tho they only have the power to ban you, its human nature.
Some subs are pretty admirably moderated like the big news ones and fun ones. But subs like twoXChromosones one will ban you for saying something they don’t like.
I got a permanent ban for sarcastically saying trump could win the election. No chance to contact a moderator for 30 days. These mods are on a power trip.
You need to ban yourself for being immoral. You have stopped the free exchange of ideas. Therefore, by your own logic, you should terminate your reddit account.
As a fan of an armed populace I rejoice every time reasonable discussion is censored because the anti gun crowd is already pathetically ignorant on the subject. Them cornering themselves into a little circle jerk bubble makes it hilariously easy to trounce them when they make the mistake of stepping up for a real discussion.
OMG. I saw your comment, you were right in saying it wasn't an assault weapon, because it wasn't.
One person, IIRC, disagreed but you explained why it wasn't. Banned? Wow.
Standard liberal practice. They don’t have facts or evidence to back up most of their claims so they simply just ban people or ignore them/change subject or name call in real life.
This is one of the reasons why they think these stories are being buried on purpose making every one nuts. Too many people on a simple power trip and they think federal conspiracy.
I got permanently banned from WPT for posting a response to a mod that it was inappropriate to use mod powers to pin their personal opinion comments to the top of the discussion.
Some of the mods in that sub are on a major power trip.
These are the same people that would rather police come to their aid during a crime at a time where also being black with acorns is crime punishable by death by cop.
Looks like a solid ban to me.
Your post history is full bad faith arguments. Not sure why you'd want to be cop boot licking, pro capitalism, anti trans kinda person.
You strike me as the kind of person that feels miserable on the inside and wants to take it out on everyone else. Let it go, embrace having a little hope and care. I promise life will be better if you seek joy and understanding over hate.
As a pro gun person, I totally understand why people aren't pro gun and I think it's fine that they are, but reddit has some insane people that will report even the slightest mention of firearms.
At least you got banned for making a comment on WPT. I got banned from that sub without having ever made a comment on that sub because a mod was lurking in another sub amd didn't like what I had to say.
Got permabanned from there last night because I dared to call some random tweet inaccurate with no proof behind it. I got attacked by a bunch of people for unrelated things, also people that linked the same 3 articles over and over.
All I did was try to make a point that they are no better than mainstream media, that are completely lying to the public and in result are distorting reality for many people.
I never said anything offensive. Just that I found it concerning people would blindly believe something that has no concrete evidence or truth behind it.
Seriously, Reddit needs to take a hard look at how Reddit allows mods destroy discussion
White people twitter along with most anti gun reddits are quick to do this, as their neck beard mods are running multiple subreddits. I was banned for posting something along the lines of “gun violence includes not only murders but civilian defense, police shooting perps, and half of all gun violence are self inflicted gunshots”
Ah the mute. It just reinforces the idea reddit mods are nothing but cowards hiding behind a screen who are petrified of anyone talking back to them because they start to suffer from ptsd having flashbacks of when they were in the real world being relentlessly bullied for being fucking nothings
I got banned for replying too much? Like I commented something and then 20’people replied to it. I was fairly respectful in each reply but they said I was trolling.
If I was trolling I wouldn’t have blocked the people I didn’t want responses from. I would have trolled them lol
Bro myself and thousands of others got banned from there, without even participating ever, just because we commented once on a Dave Chappelle sub.
They're a bunch of sensitive slackjaws haha
We need to send law enforcement agencies in with bigger guns to shoot all those piece of shit gun owners. That will solve gun violence. Everybody knows it doesn’t count if you have a badge.
You are on reddit, its full of liberal idiots. I got banned from a subreddit for saying fastfood shouldnt pay 15 an hour and they said the ban was for supporting a nonliving wage was unethical.
I was banned for mentioning that Sanders is now a millionaire and has stopped arguing that millionaires need to pay their fair share. It now just the billionaires.
Just make a new account and continue to share your opinion.
Log out, clear cache, make a new one with a different email.
Seriously, I’m banned every week and I’m not going to stop posting opinions based in reality just so Reddit can continue to brainwash children
Yeah, because it matters how many children per second your leatal weapon can achieve... no-one wants to split hairs over how you want to define it. Whether its ten childen per second or one, it doesn't matter. Fuck off.
All of these pointlessly nouned subs do this. BPT literally has what is more or less a Crow era rule requiring most posters submit proof of their skin color. This was a thing, I know they use the 'country club' tag now which is, insane levels of irony. A lot of the niche gaming subs and some news and pol subs as well - all jackass mods or horrible / annoying automod.
Yup same sub banned me for saying I dont think the hormone levels of trans women would be the same as cis women. Just because it's hard to balance that shit and they naturally will not be exactly the same :/
My guess is you were arguing what EXACTLY is and isn’t an “assault” rifle. Those of us who believe in gun control don’t care about your pathetic semantics.
What you did was like someone yelling at the funeral of a person: "We has not beat up to death with an metal baseball bat! It was a fiberglass-reinforced wooden bat! Stop lying about bats!"
Their empathetically stunted ass would also get escorted out of the premises.
Minutia like that are irrelevant. The family is grieving and they don't want to hear people talk about whatever some random stranger enjoys shoving up their bumhole while they jerk off to it because they love that object more than human lives.
Guns are not immoral. People who use them improperly or unlawfully are immoral. You conflate the two. Just like a car is not immoral. If you intentionally use it to injure someone you are immoral. Just because I differ from you on the rules for cars or guns does not make me immoral. Folks like you are the reason people cannot discuss solutions to problems. Your dogma consumes you.
I was perma banned from r/news because I commented that it was obvious that many people in a thread didn't read the linked article and were commenting based on the clickbait title. Yup, got me banned. No profanity. I mentioned zero specific users. Banned.
So in summary this Reddit is in violation of the First Amendment and is full of unreasonable and immoral people. Good I'm going to join just to explain to them what they're doing wrong here
If you take a look at the casualty reports worldwide from this perspective, especially to gun violence in areas where this gun reform exists, my point still stands
It's the most toxic Reddit on the liberal side by far. I also simply used data for my argument and included a link. Didn't matter. I had the wrong facts apparently.
I am for gun reform, but this is cringe. Just labeling others as immoral through a reddit exchange is so ridiculous that it's borderline immoral itself. How tf can you dehumanize someone to such a degree that their morality can be judged through a single reddit comment? LOL.
All of the major subreddits that have potentially controversial topics are like this, the mods are all hardcore progressives and ban anybody who speaks otherwise. Sometimes no matter what you say, just by being a member of a different subreddit they dislike will instaban you as soon as you comment. It's like they're trying to push an agenda, rather than host a discussion.
Were you getting into the “long gun” vs assault rifle talk? Then you’re a troll and deserve a ban. ‘Cause I’m old enough to remember when they marketed guns as “assault guns, assault pistols, and battle shotguns” and saying there not assault guns now is think tank NRA public relations.
/inthenews is one of the worst offenders. You can be banned for … I am not sure for what. I get muted every time I have the temerity to ask. I really mean that I have no idea.
I got banned from therewasanattempt for saying something about Hamas being a shit organization. Ask I got is a "don't support apartheid" as a response.
WPT and pretty much every frontpage/default sub is straight up astroturfed propoganda. I once thought the DNC/neoliberal establishment dickriding on those subs were simply because most redditors are NPCs, but I’m now convinced it’s literally all bots.
Reddit is nazi central bro. You can't expect to have free speech here. You need to agree with everything one side says or be banned. Don't forget you can't say anything that hurts some one feelings either because that's considered a form of assault now.
OP tried to disregard the anti-gun thread by a supposed (no evidence provided) lexical error by saying something like "well, acthually this gun is not that gun, therefore, your opinion is invalid".
Then, after being removed from the conversation for being a weak ragebait troll, came to whine to a bunch of other "red blooded patriots" about "dam libs silencing me and ma guns". What a pathetic circlejerk.
It’s an echo chamber subreddit ran by room-temp IQ internet gremlin mods. Remember the part-time dog walker? That is the level of pathetic you are dealing with when you interact with these moderators on /r/whitepeopletwitter, /r/politicalhumor, /r/blackpeopletwitter or any other curated echo chamber of bad takes, ignorance, and no world-experience that didn’t come from a computer screen.
You were participating in a derogatory sub called “white people twitter” ffs. You know, like all the other popular subs whose sole purpose is to ridicule people based on their race 🙄
Speculating: you weren't banned solely as a result of that one comment. You were banned because the pattern of your several comments in that sub equated in their view to someone "arguing against gun reform".
I mean, I just read those other comments and that's basically what you were doing, so...
I suggest you throw out those sour grapes and move on.
I just got permanently banned from White People Twitter for commenting on this post. 🤣 I asked for an explanation and got an unhinged reply about not tolerating hate etc. then I got muted for 3 days with a treat that if I try to message them after that they will get my account banned.
Guess what I am going to do in 3 days 😀
Reddit needs a starter pack for new users with a list of insane subs to block on day one, so they don't accidentally wander in there and witness the sheer unadulterated dumb-fuckery of subs like /whitepeopletwitter and /politics
And it also needs a list of subs that have basically the same lunatic mod team, but with apparently normal topic titles, like /movies
WPT gave up trying to appear unbiased years ago. I got banned for commenting “r/thathappened” on a fake story about someone totally sticking it to republicans.
The sub is a complete shithole, so at least you aren’t missing out on much.
It’s pretty easy to get banned from that sub if you don’t just agree with everything being said. I got banned for suggesting shutting down any discussion around the fairness of trans women in women’s sports isn’t a productive way to create any sort of meaningful change
Most of the default subs have been completely taken over by government & democrat operatives. Just a giant censorship/narrative machine. This site sucks outside of specific small subs.
That subreddit loves to amplify the far right or bigoted voices by posting screenshots pretending to be against whatever is said in whatever screenshot says, so their response to you is hilarious to me. I keep muting that damn sub and it keeps showing in my feed.
Yeah....a quick look at your comment history and anyone with a brain cell can see you said something shitty and was banned. You spend a lot of time in subs you don't agree with, arguing. Then you come here and cry. Lmao.
Not surprised. Most of the top subs are moderated by mods who do not like dissenting opinions that differ from their own. While Reddit as a whole is liberal, the mods tend to be far left so the result is no one is safe from random bans.
They automatically ban you for participating in this sub via a bot. Lol. Funny leftist cult protects their soft ass sheltered members from the free market of ideas.
It’s not surprising when you look at the list of mods for the popular subs and see the same names over and over and over again as mods for all the subs.
Didn’t even know there was any sort of list. Never seen anything with regard to mods.
I just see story after story of ppl getting banned for literally nothing.
Shit, I was banned from there because of another sub that I was subscribed to and I was never even subbed to WPT.
Also, hyperlinked it in a comment once and got a 3 day ban.
I'm happy to hear that an assault rifle wasn't used. I'm sad that there's been yet another shooting. I think it's an ongoing opportunity to make sweeping changes to gun laws, because this is just fucking insanity at this point.
That said, lol immoral.. sinner :)
Don't worry, I got banned for suggesting that e-cyclists should have the same laws as motorcyclists (helmets/lights/indicators) since e-bikes are equal to smaller motorcycles/mopeds. Perhaps even have a license that focuses on making yourself visible and safe.
Ya know, as a motorcyclist who sees the life or death value in such things.
I was banned from Justice Served because I commented on something that was in r/popular from some other sub. They reported me for harassment when I messaged them to thank them for banning me in order to silence my left wing point of view.
Good. Who fucking cares what type of gun it was. It was a gun. The fact that at a moment like this, you feel the need to correct ppl on which gun was used to kill ppl shows how fucked in the head you are.
Imagine casually brushing off people with a different opinion and banning them from your echo chamber while genuinely thinking you *aren't* part of the problem lol
I got banned from there as someone was carrying on about Hitler and I said actually, he wasn't right wing, he had a lot of what we call left wing ideas today, such as vegetarian and animal cruelty things, as well as against smoking and what not. But Hitler was whatever wing he needed to be that day to drum up support for his cause depending on who he met with that day
All Reddit mods seem to be sjw woketards who are overweight and have a dumbass dyed haircut. It’s baffling the amount of times I’ve been banned from subreddits for being a “maga nazi cultist Trump supporter Russia loving anti-Semite” after specifically stating I don’t even support Trump or any politician for that matter, or even care about politics at all. If you disagree with even the slightest opinion a mod has, you’re banned. If you state a fact that goes against what they believe, you’re banned. They cannot handle differing opinions so they ban and censor you, yet call everyone else snowflakes and nazis. What a clown world we live in.
That's the thing about liberals in places like WPT. There narrative is so carefully constructed in made up bullshit that even the smallest fact or "wrong opinion" just destroys their argument or narrative. Isn't it weird that their opinions can only survive in heavily censored echo chambers?
I was banned from a popular subreddit for commenting in a right wing subreddit to make fun of them. So the mods of that popular sub showed their ignorance as well.
I would like to know one of these people's thoughts after them or one of their loved ones are killed or badly injured in a random act of violence by a criminal with a gun.
What a bunch of fucking weirdos. We don’t want the immoral, they say.
Well who fucking died and made white women the authority on who is moralistic or not.
Even when they’re virtue signaling their supposed inclusivity, they can’t help but Karen out and mute you and tell you that you’re not included. It’s ironically the whitest thing for them to do.
That sub calls everyone snowflakes but they are scared of facts they don't like. You're fact. The one I shared (using direct link and copied quote from the CDC website. It doesn't fit their echo chamber.
Aww yes, the cowardly MOD who talks shit then immediately mutes you so they can have the last word. Fucking power tripping cowards. Anonymous internet shit talking from people who wouldn’t ever treat someone like that to their face.
I got banned from there last year when I posted in a post that showed up on /r/all that apparently was in a sub they autoban you for. I then replied with 'I don't even go to your subreddit' and got a 'we don't care' back and them reporting me to reddit for 'harassing' them.
I just want to thank OP and everyone who commented in this post. To see people from both sides reacting and debating in a normal civilized fashion has blown me away and restored some of my hope for the future. I get that 90% of the world is really like this and the other 10% are the ones doing the bashing and censoring and name calling.
This is just really refreshing to see. Cheers 🍻 and keep up the good fight against misinformation.
I got banned because I said my gay SIL was opposed to certain sexual teaching in elementary school was wrong and didn't want her grand nephews taught certain things
Worse is when you get banned in a totally unrelated sub for posting in a controversial political one. That feels like straight up repression of ideas and discourse. Bitch asses better not be American and doing that shit
I got permabanned from Instagramreality for saying someone had a lazyeye, according to them that wasn't politicly correct then then they muted me from messaging mods
Yeah, Reddit going crazy. I was alerted with a message that I was banned from a subreddit and simply replied back asking why. Reddit then banned me for 3 days for from the entire website for "harassment."
I got perma banned on a subreddit for posting a comment. The comment wasn't even in the subreddit I got perma banned in. I got banned for participating in a certain subreddit because it supported the subreddit. I was mocking the post.
got banned from "blackppltwitter" sub as well for something similar. A minor factual correction and I was banned for "being bad faith"
a lot of reddits have that rule so they can ban anyone they want because who proves what bad faith is....
So basically OP, you hurt their feelings by not agreeing to the bullshit lie narrative they love to push and they didn’t like it, so they permanently banned you. You can’t even have a debate anymore without being found guilty. A sad fucking world we live in today.
And of course you get muted for having the audacity to message the mods.
Happens every fucking time.
So many of the mods on Reddit are totally unhinged, power-mad, and out of control... yet there's nothing that can be done about it. They police themselves... and very, very, very, very, very, very, very poorly.
I mean, there are no grounds for arguing against gun reform. Meaningful gun control legislation will reduce gun violence, and it’s not an opinion. We have WAY too much access to firearms as it is, and clearly we are the only developed nation that struggles with gun violence, so clearly guns are the problem…
R/politics perma banned me years ago when I corrected someone on a source claiming Trump did something that he didn't. I wasn't even trying to sport Trump I'm actually very anti Trump. I'm also antidisinformation and my temps to clarify and correct something at the time got me banned. I, like OP, tried to ask and they just kept insisting that I was trying to instigate shit.
I got banned from white people twitter for criticizing white people Twitter in a completely unrelated subreddit.
It’s honestly a badge of honor at this point to be banned from whitepeople twitter
I got banned from r/entertainment when they were discussing AI taylor swift images because I brought up how facebook keeps showing me AI images of nude celebrities.
I also got banned from r/worldnews because a year and a half ago before the war, I brought up how Israel would totally murder people for money. But then here they are bombing hospitals. But I'm still banned.
Super weird, because a lot of left leaning people like guns. In fact, if you go far enough left, you get your guns back. Guns in the hands of the people, and not the ruling class is literally a left winged idea. To quote Karl Marx:
“Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary” ― Karl Marx
Mods are pure insane there. It’s the smallest amount of power to go to someone’s head.
I was banned from r/PublicFreakout for saying “thug” because apparently that’s racist lol
I'm so sorry the mean nasty lib used the wrong pronoun for your guns.
You realize that's what is triggering you right? You place this imaginary value on the difference between the term "assault rifle" and "assault weapon" and then get arbitrarily furious when someone misgenders your gun and uses the word rifle instead of weapon.
You KNOW for a fact what they mean, you know, I know, everyone knows. Merits of their use of the word aside, arguments in favor of or against gun control aside, you KNOW what that person meant when they used the phrase Assault Rifle.
But you got triggered, and pitched a little whiny fit. You know why? Because they misgendered your rifle. Die mad about it.
I got banned from white people twitter for sharing an opinion that was censored because it didn’t align with virtue signaling anti-science leftists. Acknowledging the way things actually are instead of the way we’d like them to be isn’t bigotry.
I was banned for life because I brought to the attention that there was a scammer and I had fallen for one of his scams. Some of the mods on Reddit just sit at home with a rager just thinking about who they can ban. I have a feeling it's the only way they can feel good about themselves.
I get that everybody wants to cosplay as debate lords online, but let's pretend to be practical for a second. If your group is about or in support of X, what logical point is there in entertaining Y? This might come as a surprise, but not everyone wants to/has to listen to your "totally fact based, zero emotion, completely rational" opinion that carries about as much weight as a cup full of verbal diareah. I don't know when we got to the point where we started over valuing the thoughts in our heads to the point where we now demand to heard, but all of the crying and whining has gotten out of hand.
A valid opinion is whether pineapple goes on pizza or what season is most preferable. Completely benign things that are of no consequence and boil down to preferences. Your opinions dressed up as facts about whatever culture war issue you have been tricked into opining about is tantamount to the schizophrenic homeless man on the corner flapping his hands around, screaming hysterically. The difference is, that guy has a reason to be doing what he is doing. Everybody else is just screaming into the void, absolutely powerless to meaningfully impact their own lives and thus seek to spread that misery by forcing their shit opinions on everyone else.
The point is this- none of this crap matters because we have already lost. Millions of people across the world are so myopic in their insistence on being heard, fighting with everyone else, completely distracted from the real issues. You are exactly where you are supposed to be, fighting with other powerless people while the people with actual power continue to take what little you have left. I have zero hope this will change anytime soon.
If they don't want the immoral to participate, then they'd have to ban everyone on their sub. What they meant to say is that they banned you for not echoing what they deem to be the correct opinion.
You'd think pedants would be better at following/enforcing rules. A lie by omission is still a lie, yes? If this person was for not omitting a true and relevant fact because said fact does not serve your narrative, how can you possibly claim moral superiority? Is that not the same thing as being an accessory to a lie?
Personally I agree assault rifles should be banned regardless, and that banning all guns makes more sense than legalizing all guns, I'm just not a fan of sneaky, thumb-on-the-scale bullshit.
They claim "common Sense" gun reform, but they don't know the first thing about guns and what the different types of guns are and what the capable of doing, And they censor you as a crazy extremist if you try to correct them in your argument
Yeah, I filtered out white people and black people twitter. Full of racist (black people) and self moralist assholes (white people) users. Better off without them poisoning my feed.
I got permabanned for inciting violence because someone posted a video of a guy trying to break a cop’s spine and I said I hope the cop was able to shoot the aggressor.
That's a big problem on reddit - every issue here is SUPER fucking binary. If you aren't jumping up and down waving pompoms for the Right side it means you must be ten million percent on the Wrong side and must be penalized for your wholehearted opposition to the Right side.
Friendly reminder that r/ white people twitter is a reddit sanctioned anti-white hate group that is allowed on the platform because reddit admins specifically have said that racism against whites is not against the rules.
This is common practice among most of the top subs. Permaban for even the slightest things. Non-offensive opinion held by right-wing people? Permaban. Centrist viewpoint? Permaban. Suggesting that something that is extreme left is going a bit too far? Permaban. Being even remotely skeptical about something that is leftist? Permaban.
God damn that is the weakest bullshit ever. Like literally the most low iq, non-intellectual approach possible to this situation. That person is a complete loser
You can make your own Reddit where you mute/ban progressive/liberal comments all you want. There are plenty of them already made, in fact..
I don’t understand why everyone always feels entitled to the places where liberals congregate. Go find your own space. Nobody is stopping you.
If you’re upset that the most popular places on the internet happen to be liberal, well, maybe ask yourself why that is.
Or don’t. You can just find own space, like I said.
I’m sure conservative echo chambers don’t like it when liberals invade their spaces, so don’t take it too hard.
This has got to be the worst sub on Reddit when it comes to censorship. If not the worst. Definitely in the top 5. The moderators there really don’t have anything going for them in their lives.
I got banned from that sub for saying that Christians, and everyone else, should be treated with respect. Specifically, I was banned after reporting someone who had replied to me saying that Christians shouldn’t be treated with respect. That sub is a hot mess
Ok how do people not realize if we take away guns it’ll be mass stabbings then mass slashings then mass… what’s it for a hammer.. smashings? And if they have all that taken away not only will basic needs be unable to be filled criminals that are desperate will either use illegal guns or fists
Some of these subreddits are creating straight up extremists from the echo chambers and insane mods lol. People hate twitter but at least I can see people arguing about everything. On these subreddits you would believe everyone has the same extreme opinion
Lol, I got band from r_FluentInFinance for pointing out a poster was a bot.
This site is very seriously in its death throes and it's hilarious to watch.
I was banned from /therewasanattempt after they found out I replied to someone on /conspiracy. Apparently if you reply somewhere that the mods don't like they can just ban you. Such a shitty fucking policy they allow.
Yeah I got perma banned from r/sex for “kink shaming” just for saying that a dude advertising pics of himself in a diaper in a crib begging to be changed was “gross”.
That sub is an absolute cesspool of elitist cunts. Go watch American Fiction, white people twitter are the white judges that demand we listen to black voices while simultaneously ignoring the only black people in the room.
Yeah, I was banned from whitepeopletwitter a couple years ago. I don't remember exactly what for, but I remember I was saying something that made actual sense but didn't fit their liberal narrative.
And they assume everyone who isn't liberal is to the right of them. Because they don't know actual any actual leftists.
I was censored for life from one sub for pointing out the an adult man that exposed himself to a 16-year-old girl was not technically a pedophile. Apparently being correct is less important than being self-important.
u/Deep_Chest278 what the fuck is this? How are you a moderator when you can’t tell the difference between stating what weapon was used and advocating political policy?
Man l know just how you feel...l got banned for trying to send another use a pic of canteloups cuz he didnt believe how muvj they cost...bout $10.
I live in Alaska...eere not know for our fruit exports...but banmed. Life time ban from marriage, ask women, unpopular opimions and a coupla others. I must have at least 50% of my posts banned and it probably doesnt help when l tell a moderator fuk you!. But l get pissed cuz anything a particular can decide what will pass and what wont and on any given day to boot
Grrrr....😫😫
It’s a bit of a leftist extremist thread anyway. Just a bunch of crazy mental people thinking about how they are so much better than everyone else. Start your own thread. Whitepeopletwitterareleftistfilth you can have that name on me.
When people tell me what they said to "get in trouble" without actually telling me EXACTLY what they said, I just presume they were assholes and got caught.
I forgot that was even a page. They quit paying money to he pushed to the front.
I got banned from there for saying "not all white people are racist" apparently it's hate speech.
But at least this beta is admitting he's banning you just because you hurt his feelings. that's why he's a reddit mod, and not in a relationship.
I’m politically liberal but I was banned there for saying that the availability of guns is not the “root cause” of homicide. You’re not allowed to do anything but say guns are the whole problem on that sub. It must be the mod’s pet issue. Power-tripping asshole.
This is why i don't feel bad for mods. I take absolute joy in the fact they can hear their mom moan from pleasure as I fuck her, while they live in their basement. Their mom's regret not getting the abortion, now they have disappointments in their lives they gotta put up with.
Yeah bro I've been banned for no reason from countless subs. And then reddit deletes subreddits designed to complain about moderator abuses. Social Media is dogshit and is only getting worse
Banned for having an opposing viewpoint is just hilarious. So they only want like minded people to talk to? How is anyone supposed to be challenged in their thinking?
That’s the thing, they don’t want to be challenged. They want an echo chamber.
These are people who are willing to give up their own natural human rights in the hope that the powers that be, whether that’s the Reddit mod system or the US government, will make the entire world around them one big safe space.
When you’re so emotionally and physically weak that one strong word against your opinions is enough to reduce you to calcium dust, you _need_ that.
I mean, the premise of the sub is already questionable, and more than flirts the line with racism/prejudices. Can you imagine if there was a "POCTwitter" sub and it was just post after post making grossly inappropriate and dishonest generalizations about a minority group? People inclined to make generalizations like these have no interest in engaging in honest discourse. Positive note, you know they're more miserable than you on the day-to-day.
Waiting to see how long it takes me to get banned. 🤣🤣🤣
https://www.reddit.com/r/WhitePeopleTwitter/comments/1avhf8r/wpt/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3
The first rule of that sub is that you “participate in good faith” Which is their way of having a nice vague rule that allows them to ban anyone for any reason. They nearly tell you that you can’t ask questions. They put it in quotes because they are trying to imply that the question would be in bad faith, but similarly to how they word this rule, *you know what they mean.*
Don’t question the mods.
I'm pretty sure each one of us has a story about being banned over something trivial ..I like the term "narrative." You have a few people in power in each sub and they have a narrative. If you do not follow that narrative, or go against it in some way - BANNED. I mean, we are talking Warhammer and Star Trek here, even.
Propaganda is real, and this do as I so, say what I say nonsense is no joke. We are watching our basic freedom - freedom of thought, get choked out
I got a 14 year account perma banned for suggesting someone give up the identity of a criminal in a video because they said they knew who he is. That criminal was charged and arrested a week later.
#metoo turned into #cancelculture which turned into losers moderating discords and reddits to brandish their power with no consequences. They want first amendment freedoms but only for themselves i guess. Freedom to ban who ever they feel like
All rifles including AR15s kill 400 annually, you are more likely to die in a fist fight than to a rifle of any kind in the US, handguns are the ones that do the most killing. Read FBI murder stats before pissing out an opinion
> They don't tolerate gun nutters.
Arguing against gun control doesn't automatically make somebody a "gun nutter." There are academics who've researched the topic, spoken out against certain gun restrictions, and don't oen any firearms lol
Na, arguing against gun control absolutely makes you a gun nut. 8 billion people on the planet, 340 million in the US: We don't want everyone walking around strapped. That's insane.
I've owned various guns and know tons of gun owners. None of them are against gun control.
>Yeah, doubt that champ.
Like 58% of gun owners want stricter gun regulations
https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/09/13/key-facts-about-americans-and-guns/#:~:text=About%20six%2Din%2Dten%20U.S.,a%20bit%20in%20recent%20years
Responsible citizens know giving up freedoms is a part of living in a society.
From hunters in GA to range shooters in VT, no responsible gun owner is against gun control.
I think you're misunderstanding what I'm saying, or I am not explaining myself properly.
You can argue against gun control without being against gun control.
If a government decides to ban **all** civilian firearm ownership, that is gun control. If somebody argues against that, it doesn't make them a "gun nut." In other words, you can support reasonable control while also being against draconian measures.
Example: There is a Canadian academic who testified to the senate that proposed gun control legislation was misguided. He self-declared that he did not own firearms or have any skin in the game. He was strictly a researcher who looked at the data and explained there would be no significant impact on public safety. The gun control we already had in Canada was effective, and there was no need to further restrict recreational shooters.
>If a government decides to ban all civilian firearm ownership, that is gun control. If somebody argues against that, it doesn't make them a "gun nut." In other words, you can support reasonable control while also being against draconian measures.
No one is suggesting that. Gun control is about responsible laws and safety, just like all the other small freedoms we give up for public safety.
> No one is suggesting that.
Some American democrats absolutely do call for the abolishment of civilian firearm ownership. Most of them recognize it's a pipe dream, but if they could snap their fingers and make it so only the government had guns, they'd do it.
In other "free" countries, eliminating civilian gun ownership is on the agenda of liberal politicians. They would prefer that only the government has firearms. They sometimes make small exceptions for manually operated long guns to be used **only** for hunting.
>Some American democrats absolutely do call for the abolishment of civilian firearm ownership. Most of them recognize it's a pipe dream, but if they could snap their fingers and make it so only the government had guns, they'd do it.
Please link me a bill calling for that. I'm curious to learn. I follow congress closely and haven't seen anything.
>In other "free" countries, eliminating civilian gun ownership is on the agenda of liberal politicians. They would prefer that only the government has firearms. They sometimes make small exceptions for manually operated long guns to be used only for hunting.
The countries with the strictest gun laws are almost all authoritarian. Your theory doesn't pan out in real life. China, Russia, many places in Africa and Asia. Not exactly liberal places.
> Please link me a bill calling for that. I'm curious to learn. I follow congress closely and haven't seen anything.
I meant democrat voters, not politicians. There are tons of examples of far-left Americans calling for the abolishment of civilian-owned firearms on twitter, tiktok, and on college campuses.
If I cared enough to dig through youtube videos and reddit threads, I'd link some examples. Not worth my time forba reddit debate, though.
> The countries with the strictest gun laws are almost all authoritarian.
I wasn't talking about communist shitholes. I specified "free" countries, which was meant for that imply the Western world.
Australia, Japan, New Zealand, UK, Ireland, Canada, and others have **very** strict gun control. As mentioned previously, they've carved out exemptions for manually operated long guns that can be used for pest control and/or hunting. There are some exceptions to that, but the barriers to entry are very high.
>I meant democrat voters, not politicians. There are tons of examples of far-left Americans calling for the abolishment of civilian-owned firearms on twitter, tiktok, and on college campuses.
I don't care what a few people say, I care about laws.
>I wasn't talking about communist shitholes. I specified "free" countries, which was meant for that imply the Western world.
And how are the gun deaths in those countries per capita? You're making my case for me here.
> I don't care what a few people say, I care about laws.
Ideas become laws if enough people want them to.
There are a lot of Americans who'd love to trample on the constitution if it meant they would get what they wanted. The Second Amendment is one example, free speech being another.
>And how are the gun deaths in those countries per capita?
Those countries don't have a second amendment. The US does.
Ok so you made up the part about Dems wanting to ban guns and you acknowledge that all those western countries have less gun violence by far because of gun control.
I think I made my point. Good luck!
> Ok so you made up the part about Dems wanting to ban guns
No, I didn't, and I clarified what I said.
We both read/write English, but perhaps subtle differences in dialect means you didn't understand what I was saying.
In Canada, we have the "Liberal Party of Canada" and their voters are often referred to as "Liberals."
In the US, the political party that most closely resembles our Liberal party would be the Democratic party. I *assumed* referring to Democrat voters as "democrats" would be understood. Apparently not.
> and you acknowledge that all those western countries have less gun violence by far because of gun control.
I was never against gun control. Go back and re-read what I said. I am against draconian gun control. Thankfully, you don't have that problem in most of the US, but make no mistake, there are Americans who want **everyone** disarmed.
> Thanks for the support!
LOL. Did you just declare yourself the winner?
It kinda is. These are the type of people that will go "it's not a gun, it's a rifle" or "It's not bullets, it's ammunition" or "it's not a clip, it's a magazine" or "it's not gas, it's fuel". They try to derail any conversation by bogging it down into pedantic BS. It happens ALL the time.
I wasn’t even arguing about gun control. My comment was literally “an assault rifle wasn’t used in this shooting” to a tweet incorrectly saying an assault rifle was used.
But all op did was correct them calling a gun an assault rifle that wasn’t. He never said we shouldn’t have background checks or anything. You are just making stuff up about that.
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