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Ukraine is a Buffer State. IN BETWEEN Nato and Russia. If they join Russia, Nato will get mad. If they join Nato, Russia will get mad. The safest way to exist is to remain neutral. But for some idiotic reason, their president suddenly chose a side. Facepalm. ​ Wiki described buffer state: A buffer state is a country geographically lying between two rival or potentially hostile great powers. Its existence can sometimes be thought to prevent conflict between them. A buffer state is a mutually agreed upon area lying between two greater powers, which is demilitarized in the sense of not hosting the military of either power (though it will usually have its own military forces). The invasion of a buffer state by one of the powers surrounding it will often result in war between the powers.
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Unbased and dictator apologist pilled
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No, he’s right. It would be like Russia putting missiles in Cuba. Almost didn’t end well, did it?
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nah, communists are stupid.
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Finland is now a NATO member and borders Russia.
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It's getting there. [https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/finland-set-join-nato-historic-shift-while-sweden-waits-2023-04-04/](https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/finland-set-join-nato-historic-shift-while-sweden-waits-2023-04-04/) ​ >Ukraine being able to decide what international treaties it signs isn’t an anti liberty stance. Ukraine is free to do what it wants. But like any liberty stance, you must also accept the consequences of your actions. ​ ie; you live smack dab in the middle of Bloods & Crips territory. You now have 3 choices: \-join bloods \-join Crips \-Don't join at all Up to you.
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Why should Ukraine be force to accept it buffer state status? They are a free and independent nation who should be allowed to choose its destiny. The Oblast regions bordering Ukraine in Russia can become the new buffer states!
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Why should I be forced to pay for anything in Ukraine? USA is $34 trillion in debt and hundreds of trillions of unfunded liabilities. Make foreign aid a GoFundMe. Make funding voluntary.
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Because Neville Chamberlain taught the world a valuable lesson with his failed foreign policy of appeasement back in 1938. Also, nobody is forcing you to do anything. You could simply stop paying taxes. Unfortunately, it’s not that easy for Ukraine considering hundreds of thousands of Russian troops are currently occupying Eastern Ukraine.
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The ruling class jails those who don’t pay their war subscription. You can’t simple quit paying taxes. Make it voluntary. You can donate to IRS. There’s literally a web page on Treasury.Gov to donate to the state’s causes. Good people voluntary pay causes they believe in, not ask men with guns to take their neighbors’ money to pay for everything they want.
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You could move to Russia…
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No I like being able to own guns and smoke weed. Nice deflection.
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Here’s an idea.. move to Russia and join the army. Then your taxes go to helping out Russia instead of NATO, you get a gun, and you can do drugs with all your new Russian convict friends!
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No I enjoy freedom. I don’t enjoy corrupt people in DC taking my money to enrich military contractors. Just send your own money voluntarily. The moral argument can’t involve required force to make neighbors pay for everything you want. Just send your own money. No one is stopping you from supporting Ukraine. I got my own bills to pay. Ukraines pensions are being paid for with the foreign aid. I didn’t sign up for that. You’re advocating sending money. You’re so generous with everyone else’s money. Just send your own money since you are such a moral figure.
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Let’s be clear, I’m advocating for sending you to Russia. I’m perfectly ok with my tax dollars being given to Ukraine. It’s the best money we’ve spent on foreign wars since WW2s lend-lease act!
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You’re still afraid to voluntary send your money to Ukraine. Why not make a charitable contribution to the Ukraine’s conscripted army?
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Paying taxes doesn’t make you a good person. Just send them money. There’s plenty of ways to send YOUR money by the goodness of your heart.
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https://war.ukraine.ua/donate/ you’re a good person. Send them your money. Show a receipt for reddit to see how much of a good moral person you are.
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Dude I think everything is astroturfed or people have truly lost what’s important.
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People have been trained to regurgitate information from unimpressive people without questioning things. It all begins with education!
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You do realize the US is actually saving money by giving military aid to Ukraine? All of the old equipment we are sending over there was mothballed anyways and it would cost the government more to decommission it than it costs to refurbish and send to Ukraine. Not to mention the intelligence gold mine of being able to analyze how our stuff performs in combat without putting American lives at risk.
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nobody's forcing them. They knew exactly what was gonna happen once they pick a side. ie; you live smack dab in the middle of Bloods & Crips territory. You now have 3 choices: 1. join bloods 2. join Crips 3. Don't join at all Up to you.
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As someone whose family came from a former Soviet satellite nation, that argument can fuck off. If my tax dollars are helping people prevent the formation of USSR 2.0, I'm down with it. 
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I agree. Communists are stupid.
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Most of the post soviet states threatened to get nuclear weapons if we didn't allow them to join NATO, Russia preferred that option until \~2011. Ukraine then ditched its oligarchy stood up by the Kremlin in a revolution and Russia got big mad over its sore asshole that its empire was falling down for 20 years despite numerous military interventions.
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The libertarian subreddit has become one of the worst I've seen, I think the mods are plants. I got banned for making a pro-choice argument, of which I still believe being pro-choice is a valid libertarian position.
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I’m pro life (pro choice in some cases) but pro choice is absolutely valid in libertarian thought. Most libertarians are pro choice.
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I've noticed in recent years that "libertarians" are taking more right-wing stances, both on and off Reddit. Heck I noticed it in 2008 when the chairman of my county's LP recommended I look into the Tea Party. Things don't seem to have gotten any better since.
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Tea Party is much more like a modern Goldwater conservative movement. But it’s not libertarianism.
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The Tea Party was a bunch of reactionary fucks who were scared a black man was elected president. What they are today I have no idea. Most went MAGA. As for libertarians, most of what I've seen of recent libertarians isn't libertarianism.
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Many of the members were reactionary. I’m talking about the ideals behind it that was fostered by people like Ron Paul and those who railed against the ACA and other big government policies that were being implemented in the first two years of the Obama years. That’s what I was comparing to Goldwater. And most went MAGA like you said. Very few people have seen or understand actual libertarianism. Definitely nothing viable in the US.
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That is pretty cut and dry with that comment right there, naturally there's dumbasses that can't understand that countries have free will and Ukraine obviously doesn't want to be a part of russia (where it's legal to beat your wife)
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Libertarian is when USA government bad.
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I don’t see how this is even anti-libertarian. Sure, most libertarians won’t support it and they’re all non interventionist and anti war. But they’re also supposed to be the free speech absolutist compared to conservatives and liberals.
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I don’t see the stance as either pro or anti war either, Ukraine as a sovereign nation should be allowed to willingly join mutual defense treaties. My comment that for me banned does not hinder the liberty of anybody and unmasks the moderations true view of the war.
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Oh, I agree with you. From certain perspectives, they’ll view your stance from their own bias. Most will see Ukraine joining NATO as a way of aggravating relations and bringing us closer to war and they tend to be against international organizations already. From that POV, they’ll misunderstand your actual point and see it as wanting war with Russia. But that’s due to jumping immediately from how they would view the outcome (like a possible war with Russia in this case, or “taking care of other nations”) rather than your actual point.
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Ermm actuclaly u violated duh NAP width ur comment 🤓 Lolberts are gonna lolbert
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NATO was literally created to keep Russian aggression at bay. Who gives a fuck what Russia wants? 😅
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Rule 3 is “this is an explicitly pro-liberty subreddit”
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I guess my opinion that a sovereign nation should be allowed to joint treaties it feels fit for its nations security as a loss of liberty.
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According to the libertarians, I guess other people having liberty is anti-liberty