Errm. t_d is censoring themselves.
You see the irony of this post, right?
Riiiiight?!
Of course you don't. Oh well, It's been fun watching you guys meltdown over this whole thing. Keep at it!
Yes they do see the irony.
Because that irony IS THE ENTIRE POINT THEYRE MAKING.
Jesus, how much of a tosser are you to not only fail to recognise this is their point, but also to smugly presume that nobody saw that irony but you?
That is landmark dickheadery. Like, people should be directed to your comment in future years to see what a cringeworthy pseudo-intellectual looks like.
Wow what a good point they're making by censoring themselves. Everyone might realize that things are better without 14 year old assholes screaming "cuck" 24/7. That'll really show everyone!
Yes it would have because the left does the same shit. You get banned if you even post on certain subs. As of april thats against the rules but the admins neve enforce it on any of thoes subs. But please, continue assuming Im a troll or whatever. Fucking loons.
You know the Donald mods ban for anything that goes against the narrative of your circle jerk? Gotta keep the Russian propaganda farm focused after all
The reason T_D bans anyone outside their circle is because it's the only subreddit where they can support Trump without being downvoted to meme hell and beyond. Reddit is a paid leftist propaganda machine and T_D is the last place where they can discuss and shitpost freely without having to resort to less known websites or, god forbid, 4chan.
Lmao this is the comments section, where people make comments. I didn't realize you'd get so offended by having people respond to you.
By the way, calling someone retarded is actually a non argument ad hominem. Just so you're aware.
I hate that, too. Mostly because it wears people down. It's just as whiny as Trump shit, it's just what should be expected out of opposition to a president. A lot of it is quality journalism.
There hasn't been a meltdown yet. Go back and look at what happened when fatpeoplehate was banned. That was a meltdown.
The_Donald is an order of magnitude bigger than fatpeoplehate. The backlash will shut down Reddit for weeks or months. No, I won't be a part of that, I'll probably just stop coming here. I won't be the only one who does that, either.
Even if the admins can regain control, the content and users will leave. Advertisers will disappear.
> The backlash will shut down Reddit for weeks or months.
Jesus fuck.. You actually believe this. What the fuck kind of brainwashing goes on in that sub? You're retarded if you think Reddit will go down because you little snowflakes leave.
>No, I won't be a part of that, I'll probably just stop coming here. I won't be the only one who does that, either.
Good, that's the fucking point. No one wants you here. You're the tumor of Reddit. The quicker we get rid of you, the better it is for everyone.
I love how you guys center your entire ideology around virtue signaling victim mongering and then you're so quick to try and accuse others of doing the same.
You commies are master projectors.
Lmao I feel like I'm in a cartoon. Are you intentionally trying to parody the typical neckbeard conservative that constantly freaks out about communists and brown people?
You blamed the admins for something your own mods did, and when you got called out for it, you got defensive. Sad!
It literally is a pro-Trump subreddit. You going in there and calling Trump an idiot is equivalent to going onto /r/Islam and calling Muhammed a pedophile. Not saying that TD worships Trump, by the way.
I got banned from t_d for simply pointing out that a particular post was verifiably untrue. My initial post actually got upvoted, but then I was banned. I didn't say anything disparaging about Trump. I simply pointed out a falsehood and didn't tow the Trumpet line.
> Not saying that TD worships Trump, by the way.
You don't have to. It's obvious enough.
Your claim is patently untrue. T_D does not ban if you say something is false news; that's one of the parts where it is better than its alt-left counterparts.
[I was banned](http://i.imgur.com/EwZprP2.png) for pointing out in [this thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5zz3is/saving_flint_trumps_epa_sending_100_million_to/df2i5me/?context=3) that Trump did nothing more than refrain from rescinding an Obama-initiated $100 million dollar EPA grant to Flint, MI and that they were being hypocritical. Literally, it was the only time I ever posted in t_d. My comments were initially upvoted, actually. Then it seemed they gained a bit of traction, got downvoted back to roughly zero, then I got banned. All within about 10 to 20 minutes or so.
The mods have been allowing, and even promoting, a lot of posts that break reddit rules, and then refusing to comply with the admin's on correcting the issue.
Best I can tell it's a lame attempt at a setup, simply to stir this exact shitstorm.
this is false.
the_donald has strange and arbitrary rules to follow that other subs do not have to comply with, such as linking to outside subreddits.
in addition, mods and users from the_donald have faced dangerous doxxings and the admins of reddit refuse to take action in order to protect the safety of ALL posters, regardless of where they post
No. Those additional rules were in response to TD mods not complying. The admins have given them a lot of leeway, simply to avoid blowback like this. Their refusal to comply even after this is what resulted in some mods getting removed.
Further, the sub's not banned. There's no censorship here. The TD mods themselves locked the sub... This really doesn't even belong in this sub.
Td was always censored and set to zero all the time. The lies about 400k subscribers was a lie. It was found out that td has over 6 million subs and counting. They were censored since day one and it only got worse. Even shareblue got called out for bots and was proven to be a thing. This is censorship at it's worse.
this was proven to be bullshit, they mistakenly put daily unique visits instead of subscribers
admin response:
>OK, dug in here.
When we released the new ads self-serve product yesterday, the ad >interface said "Subscribers" in the targeting dropdown list. However, the >actual number represented here was not "Subscribers" but was actually >"Daily Unique Visitors" to the subreddit.
We have just pushed out a change to rename this number "Daily >Impressions" and will modify the numbers shown in the dropdown to show >"Daily Impressions".
To clarify the differences between these terms:
Subscribers: The number of people who subscribe to a particular >subreddit, as shown in the right sidebar of each subreddit.
Daily Unique Visitors: The number of unique visits to a particular subreddit within a 24 hour period.
Daily Impressions: The number of ad impressions that are available within a 24 hour period to an advertiser >targeting a particular subreddit. This number is different than the total number of impressions a particular >subreddit gets in a day since when targeting ads to a particular subreddit, ads may also be shown to users who >recently visited that subreddit. As noted in our advertising docs (https://reddit.zendesk.com/hc/en->us/articles/204584279-Targeting-Subreddits), users may see ads targeted to a particular subreddit on >screenviews that do not necessarily happen on the targeted subreddit if they have visited the targeted subreddit.
it's a lot less than 6 million, not that it matters anyway. you're not being censored, as soon as your posts get to r/all every person on reddit downvotes it instantly because 99% of your posts are bashing everyone besides you
Bullshit. While something was off with the numbers, all mayor communities showed way higher numbers than their official sub count. This has nothing to do with TD or "real" subscriber numbers.
Fine, whatever numbers they claim, the_donald's numbers are comparable to politics. Yet it's amazing how often politics reaches the front page, with multiple threads, while the closest the_donald can get is page 10.
It truly amazes me how many people claim they're for fairness and equality, who also have no problem shitting all over community opinions they don't like, and call for them to be censored and banned.
Then all of you should leave, 6 million users disappearing and no longer generating ad impressions is the only way you'll get through to the admins. Unless that is, you're afraid that you're actually the minority little bot driven community everyone accuses you of being...
No.. you're wrong *again*. The admins never care about brigaiding or doxxing t_d. they say it's within the rules. they allow other subs, hate subs and default subs, to do whatever they want. as soon as t_d sneezes they pull the guns out. stop subscribing to all those liberal hell hole subs.
Hey look, you're right that there are other subs that do shit they shouldn't be allowed to. But that doesn't excuse your own shitty behavior. Push the admins to stop the rule breaking in other subs, not ignore the admins.
Sometimes. But in this case I can read "[deleted]" just fine. But you can act like this is a pissing contest instead of answer if that's what you want....
>**you're right that there are other subs that do shit they shouldn't be allowed to. But that doesn't excuse your own shitty behavior.**
Actually, it very much does. On an even playing field, everyone should have the same tools and methods available to them. Particular restrictions on some people isn't an even playing field.
Moreover, this unevenness is deliberate - a single admin could in 10 minutes apply all the same rules to all the other subreddits, or some other subreddits.
The notion that, hey, you must accept these special rules, and just keep appeal to the rulemaker to apply the same evenhandedly, is just a shitty demobilization tactic, when the rulemaker deliberately chose not to do so. In fact, that appeal has been made a great number of times - and ignored.
From now on, any post you make must have appropriate punctuation and capitalization, or it gets removed. It's part of an effort for better quality posts. Should this apply to everyone? Well, yeah, you can spend a few months or years or whatever appealing to me to apply it to everyone. Just make sure you follow the rule in the meantime. (that was obviously a parody of the sociopathic individuals on the admin team).
He's not "making it a competition." ShareBlue is literally paying people to use bots to downvote positive Trump posts and upvote anti Trump content.
And that's less a competition and more like flat out partisan astroturf propaganda.
That comment he made was not about bots. It was him defending that he is justified in being shitty as long as other people are being shitty. And equated getting to do shitty things with a competition analogy.
I was implying that his outlook on life that If someone else gains he loses is going to leave him bitter and unfulfilled on his deathbed.
Yes... because other people do bad things you're allowed to as well. Not realizing that makes me an idiot... got it.
Seriously, though, what kind of parents did you have for you to not understand this very basic concept?
ffs, thats what people from t_d wanted to, to be able to follow the site rules... but the site rules are not restrictive enough for people who support our president. Let that sink in for a few.
T_d has been calling for that for a long time. It's a disproportionate application of the rules to target a group specifically. Spez has actually been caught editing posts on T_d and the admins have set vote counts on posts to zero.
I think that Reddit hates the Donald because they are bad for business. Everyone hates them, everyone is tired of their shit. They do nothing but bitch and moan all day and because they do they have caused a counter culture of more people bitching and moaning. End of the day Reddit is a buisness and they need to do what's best for buisness if they don't they turn into voat whom is like a month away from insolvency.
Except that no add agency or company is going to want to put their ads in a subreddit or site that is so political so it doesn't matter how many views. You know why voat is going to die? Because no one wants to be associated with a bunch of pedos , nazies, AND people that get together and just hate in fat people. Not a single company wants their ads associated with that because it causes controversy and that is bad for buisness.
> No. Those additional rules were in response to TD mods not complying.
please tell me how opposed you are to fascism. i'll respond when i stop laughing at how stupid you sound.
Are you not self aware of how dumb you make yourself look? Reddit has rules, T_D broke them, and they should have been banned ages ago. Instead they got a lighter punishment for some reason. How is that fascism?
T_D complied fully with increasingly ridiculous "rules", very selectively enforced.
While all the while, admins fully condone other groups / subs breaking those "rules" with blatant abandon.
T_D, as well as reddit itself, has constantly been under attack from anti-Trump propaganda and disinformation. Abuses that are given a green light by the admins.
The admins are completely lacking in any integrity. This does not bode well for reddit. These latest events only make it even more glaringly obvious.
T_D has suffered from constant admin abuse, not any kind of "leeway".
Shady software updates in a desperate attempt to keep such a popular sub off of /all, the very harsh rules admins insisted on, specifically for T_D. *And T_D complied with all of it*, even in the face of blatant abuses from other subs / groups.
All the while, admins allow groups getting around the /all filters by upvote brigading tiny subs in rotation, not to mention the constant attacks against T_D, doxxing and vote manipulation, from sites running blatant anti-Trump propaganda. Subs *actually* breaking site rules, with full admin support. :(
The admins have shown themselves completely devoid of integrity. T_D has gotten a very raw deal. It's about time this shit went public. It is a disaster for reddit. This blatant admin abuse will only continue getting worse.
> No. Those additional rules were in response to TD mods not complying. The admins have given them a lot of leeway, simply to avoid blowback like this.
It's not about the rules. Everyone can agree on those.
The issue is that the rules are applied unfairly. Go look at shitredditsays. The rules are not applied to them. The admins actually encourage SRS.
When rules are applied to some people and not to others, there's going to be a problem.
Obviously you're using the same logic. SRS and T_D are similar in the same way a 1st degree burn and a 3rd degree burn are similar. SRS doesn't do stuff like post Twitter handles, Facebook pages, and other outlets of people they disagree with. SRS doesn't use exuberant amounts of bots to boost their score (upvote to comment ratio is massively skewed on T_D). SRS doesn't consistent send death threats to anyone who opposes their political agenda.
I'm not saying SRS isn't hostile or doesn't deserve some version of discipline. What I am saying is that, to continue the metaphor of felons.... SRS is comparable to the guy who found his wife cheating on him and then killed his wife out of rage while T_D is like the homophobe who shot those people in that Florida club.
Shitredditsays is the 789th largest subreddit. If T_D really does have 6 million subscribers, it'd be the 49th largest. (There are 47 default subreddits).
SRS has around 1/100th the subscribers that T_D does.
T_D isn't the only one breaking rules, but it's the largest one.
Not sure why you're being downvoted. It's a fair point.
SRS is a teeny tiny echo chamber with no influence on Reddit at all. They spend their time bitching about their perceived slights.
T_D on the other hand both can and have a history of coordinating manipulation of post rankings and comment sections for a long time.
That's a kind of censorship as well, but more importantly that's directly breaking Reddit rules.
Yeah SRS *wish* they had any influence on Reddit, I'm sure some think they do, but they don't and so the admins don't give a fuck.
I've been following the_donald since it's inception, first as a hater, then as a community member (during my pre-Bernie to post-Bernie transition).
The only times rules were flagrantly broken was in response to the rules being applied unfairly. In fact the unfair application of the rules is what led me to start being sympathetic toward them and their cause.
I may be a leftie, but I always thought that lefties were for fairness, equality, and freedom of speech/expression. I guess those qualities no longer exist on the left, because all I see these days are them wanting to squash any opinion that doesn't agree with their own.
> I may be a leftie, but I always thought that lefties were for fairness, equality, and freedom of speech/expression. I guess those qualities no longer exist on the left, because all I see these days are them wanting to squash any opinion that doesn't agree with their own.
That's because they use that idea to push their own AND as justification to shooting down anyone else that dares to speak against them. They're all for freedom of speech/expression only if it's *theirs*. Congrads on waking up to that fact.
Also because the CEO of the website they use has edited their comments without their knowledge in the past.
Don't you think that might undermine their trust in the site's integrity and make them feel like victims?
The whole shtick was that they were oppressed white Christians who were tired of being told what's acceptable. Everything about them was being the victim.
Don't you think in a few years your views might evolve from where they are now?
You're what, a 15-20 year old white male, into gaming, atheist, maybe struggle with mental illness?
There's a lot of life you have yet to live, maybe it's not the smartest idea to rail on the idea of Christianity across the USA until you've seen more of the US and the people who live all over it?
I voted Bernie and strongly believe in free speech, but thanks for assuming I am "throwing a fucking tantrum". Both the extreme left and right are full of idiots
> You did not vote for Bernie liar.
Man have I been waiting for someone to actually try and call me on this! Here's a picture of my Bernie shirt and order number - https://i.imgur.com/nPla8Rt.jpg
Believe it or not there are moderates who believe in free speech even when the disagree with it. The extreme left is one of the biggest threats to free speech today. You should be ashamed of how you treat one of the most important freedoms we have in this country
Believe it or not, we exist. I also voted for Bernie in the primary and Trump in the general. It's called being a single-issue voter, and that single issue is to remove the establishment's stranglehold from our political system. Both of them promised that.
I admit. That makes sense. Thanks for explaining. Not that I agree with it... I simply declined to vote for either POS: Trump or HRC... but you present a logical train of thought.
They aren't "playing" anything.
T_D has been abused by admins, subs and groups from all sides, while complying with ever increasingly harsh "rules" (selectively enforced, mind you) to try to silence them.
All the while, the admin's darlings break site-wide rules with abandon, and full admin approval.
I have no idea what you're talking about, it's perfectly normal that my /r/all filter should have to look like this to browse reddit. [There's no way the baby anti trump subs are cheating](http://i.imgur.com/VhS0c9G.png).
- /r/AntiTrumpAlliance
- /r/BannedFromThe_Donald
- /r/BlueMidterm2018
- /r/DonaldTrumpSucks
- /r/DumpTrump
- /r/Drumpf
- /r/EnoughTrumpSpam
- /r/esist
- /r/Fat_Donald
- /r/Fuckthealtright
- /r/Impeach_Trump
- /r/ImpeachTrump
- /r/LateStageCapitalism
- /r/marchagainstrump
- /r/MarchAgainstTrump
- /r/neoliberal
- /r/NeverTrump
- /r/OurPresident
- /r/Political_Revolution
- /r/PoliticalHumor
- /r/Politics
- /r/RussiaLago
- /r/Stop_trump
- /r/The_NewDonald
- /r/TheResistance
- /r/SongsAgainstTrump
- /r/TinyhandsInc
- /r/TopMindsOfReddit
- /r/TrumpCriticizesTrump
- /r/TrumpForPrison
- /r/Trumpgret
- /r/TrumpInvestigation
- /r/TrumpTweets
- /r/Unpresidented
- /r/worldnews
And need to be adjusted~~weekly~~ ~~daily~~ *hourly*
Seriously thoguh, the blatant brigading that goes on, completely against reddit rules, with full admin approval...
it's absolutely ridiculous.
And when T_D mods spoke up loudly about the constant abuse, the admins suspended them for it. :(
Maybe if The_D weren't assholes from the start people might actually believe and listen to them? They dug their own grave and now can't accept to lie in it.
Maybe if the admins were't assholes from the time CTR and corporate advertisers started lining their pockets, people might actually believe and listen to them?
They dug their own grave, the hypocritical idiots.
T_D is a fan club for our president. They recieve constant abuse from every angle, with full admin approval.
Calling out the admins on this hypocracy is what got those mods banned, not in any way breaking the admin's nebulous and selectively enforced "rules".
Lol, did you suddenly forget the shit t_d is and was? professional victim playing here.
lets see, vote manipulation, racist and hateful posts, openly brigading other subs, exploiting stickies, spamming r/all with meaningless posts to the point rising became 90% the_donald crap. And before you ask "proof of the hateful and racist stuff" here you go [link 1](https://www.reddit.com/r/EnoughTrumpSpam/comments/69yjw2/number_of_people_who_think_the_donald_is_hate/) and [link2](https://www.reddit.com/r/EnoughTrumpSpam/comments/5bp4a3/i_have_been_collecting_examples_of_hatred_from/)
You shitstains had it easy. The only time I felt sympathy and support for you was during the Spez comment editing fiasco.
Also the rules aren't "Selectively enforced" other subs have to comply with those rules. Look at any of the threads in anti-trump subs, they can't link to other subs, just mention them. The difference is that mods from those subs actually listened, hence they didn't get banned even if they did incite stuff like that prior. Your mods simply refuse to comply just so you can keep playing victim and the alt-right hero at the same time.
You turds constantly abuse rules and when you're forced to face the consequences you play victim and cry censorship. You just can't admit that a large majority of reddit simply doesn't like you.
No one dislikes the_donald because it's a pro-trump sub. We dislike it because it's a literal shithole that has ruined Reddit. We would happily accept a pro-trump sub that doesn't spam crap, allows meaningful discussions, and actually discusses their president instead of shitposting pepe's.
Talk about hateful. All the crap you spew, for no reason, and with zero backup.
Ruining reddit is what you're doing. Nobody is allowed to say anything that in any way goes against your opinion wihtout you lot labelling them hate, nazi, *-phobe etc, etc.
The *actual* real-life crap you're complainging about was aimed mainly at T_D, or anything not fitting in with such misguided, hypocritical SJW type ideals.
When you're forced to look at yourself in the mirror, you just double down. Fact is, T_D followed the rules, and when some mods called out the admins on such blatant abuse, the admins suspended them.
All the while, so many other subs and groups the admins deem profitable get away with all manner of abuse. Not just breaking reddit rules, but actually doxxing and harassing.
There is zero comparison.
> the_donald has strange and arbitrary rules to follow that other subs do not have to comply with, such as linking to outside subreddits
/r/politics and /r/enoughtrumpspam have similar rules. Communiies hat have had difficulties playing nice are targeted by the admins for these special rules. The rules are: Dont brigade, harass, or doxx people.
>in addition, mods and users from the_donald have faced dangerous doxxings and the admins of reddit refuse to take action in order to protect the safety of ALL posters, regardless of where they post
Again, ETS and /r/politics have been dinged. But TD has been doxxing people a lot more and refusing to stop (and threatening the admins with guns and saying stuff like "I refuse to back down" and "fuck spez with a weedeater") so the admins had to stomp on them more.
Thats what Im saying. Both of those subs have been warned by the admins, along with TD.
The difference is that ETS and politics at least tried to look like they were trying to do something about it, while TD literally said "fuck you" and did the same exact shit as loudly as possible.
ETS/politics: "Hey the admins told us to stop doxxing and brigading guise" *some users do it anyway*
TD: "FUCK THE ADMINS SPEZ DESERVES A HUGE BLACK DICK IN HIS ASS THEY CANT TELL ME WHAT TO DO I HAVE GUNS TO DEFEND MYSELF AND THESE RULES ARE UNFAIR AND THEY'RE CENSORING US DOXX HARDER BRIGADE HARDER MAKE IT REALLY OBVIOUS WE'RE DOING IT THROUGH DISCORD FUCK SPEZ"
eh, your example is not a good example to ban someone. There's nothing wrong about calling someone an idiot. It's different if they starting threatening someone.
I'm pretty sure there's a lot of people calling Trump names and "harassing" him. I mean, there's even subs trying to photoshop Trump. But those anti-trump subs are still up and running fine.
To be fair normally people from TD werent posting doxxed shit and also they receive way more death threats that nothing has been done about by the admins. There was recently a guy that was on a honeymoon who got a threatening message and when the admins replied they said oh blocking the user solves the issue.
Also taking a look back at the rules, politics and ETS were very openly linking to TD and were not getting punished, yet TD was actively removing stuff linking to those subreddits because of the rules. Instead they just would post r/[redacted] or mention redacted all the time as a placeholder for politics.
Last thing: everyone knows TD is basically a circle jerk and they dont pretend not to be. Politics is supposed to be news about politics not bash Republicans 24/7 and if you post anything conservative there you get downvoted outta oblivion.
> downvoted outta oblivion.
Ok? people disagree with the downvote button. It's not good, but that's how it is. What does that have to do with anything? the difference is banning people.
Exactly the opposite. T_D has complied all along with an increasingly abusive set of rules, while admins allow other subs to break them with wanton abandon.
This is not just about the cesspools of propaganda that are /politics and /ETS, but the blatant vote manipulation: upvote brigading tiny subs to the front of /all, in rotation, to get around the filters. All with full admin complacency.
Not to mention admins allowing actual real-life attacks like doxxing and threats against mods and members of T_D.
> Exactly the opposite. T_D has complied all along with an increasingly abusive set of rules, while admins allow other subs to break them with wanton abandon.
This is blatantly false.
The moon is made of green cheese!
You can spew all the crapola you want, without any backup, (and there is none, ever, with your type) nobody can take it seriously.
T_D mods got suspended for calling out admins on their blatant hypocrisy. Not any type of rule breaking.
(rules that other subs break constantly, with full admin complacency, mind you)
1. I linked proof in this chain
EDIT: Wrong chain. T_D hosts a list of personal info in their linked discord server. They're hardly being unfairly targeted. They're just whiny snowflakes.
2. Nope. Other subs don't get full admin complacency
Baseless lies. Post them then.
You cannot, and nobody else has ever come up with a shred of legitimate proof for all the crap you lot sling.
T_D plays by the rules, and they're an actual fan club.
Opposed to the cesspools of blatant political propaganda that claim to be "impartial". That *actually* doxx, threaten and brigade.
This is a well documented fact. And you lot have nothing to bring against it but a bunch of words.
Which, magically, nobody has an actual link to. uh huh.
Ok, yah, this is the extent of all the massive PROOF that T_D is the ultimate evil. Typical bullshit, grasping at straws.
T_D follows reddit rules to the letter, and are forced to, because the admins have such a hard-on for every little slight they can possibly bring up.
Admins also fully allow / condone abuses against the sub from all sides, with zero repercussions.
It is blatantly hypocritical, and total bullshit.
And again, when some T_D mods pointed this out, the admins suspended their accounts for it.
This is by no means the first time reddit admins have acted in such completely shady, underhanded and abusive ways. It is merely another huge example.
No, they don't. It's literally against the rules for the subreddit. Go search and see how many hotlinks to the Donald you can find since the admins put the rule into place. I'll wait. Shouldn't take long.
The sad part is even if that guy did get murdered those clowns think they're gonna do something about it to stop some large international gangster organization by posting racist comments on reddit.
It's perhaps the most extreme example of whataboutism basically. Before this the sub was almost entirely random white supremacist stuff, tons of made up news, the french election leak bullshit, just bullshit, they're totally unhinged, as Trump becomes more and more of an embaressment, to the point they literally can't ignore it, they've just started screaming about Clinton again, who frankly, might be a murderer, but it's not related, and it doesn't really matter or fix the problem that their cult leader is a deranged loon.
Basically.
Actually racism gets you banned on The_Donald. It's one of their rules. But you're a leftist so you're unable or unwilling to differentiate between people political opinions you disagree with and racism.
Yeesh, you people are fuckin sad.
I got banned from the donald for suggesting they not treat sanders voters poorly because Trump might want his voters if he lost the primary. Every time I went to the donald the front page was literally full of racist shit. It's a psycho cult of isolated snowflakes without a god damn clue.
Of course you got banned. S4P and HillaryClinton ban people who disagree - hell even on neutral subs you can get banned for having a non-leftwing "wrongthink" opinion. If you want a discussion you can go to AskTrumpSupporters.
Also islam isn't a race and is open to criticism. Look at what the quran says and what Pew Research found about muslims via a survey.
And the word "snowflake" applies to the side that has safe spaces, bans writing political chalk messages like "Trump 2016" and holds counseling for those "afflicted", and censors opinions they don't like under the open ended category of "hate speech". Keep projecting your qualities onto others.
Lol I've never met a more ridiculous group of snowflakes than the Trumpettes. They get totally infuriated when you start actually stating facts, and if you make them think about their insane world view they get more and more defensive until they shut down. A bunch of ludicrous cultists who whenever you get close to actually exposing how fucking stupid, greedy, and full of shit Trump **clearly** is. Look no further than the trumpsters for that projection.
I assume your browsing 3 week old posts on obscure protrump subreddits to avoid Comey testifying that Trump is a corrupt sack of shit who obstructed justice?
You just said "They shut down and have no facts!" when that's descriptive of your posts. Also you responded to an accusation of projection.... with projection.
Trump supporters aren't the ones on a censorship binge. They're not the ones offering juice boxes and counseling to Georgetown students who saw "Trump 2016" in chalk. They're not the ones chasing a progressive Bernie Sanders supporting professor down for being a "white supremacist" for not wanting to force whites to leave campus for a day. Even the leftist classical liberals are getting tired of the snowflakes.
I'm Canadian. From myself, Canadians and the world. You guys are fucking idiots. In two years you will be totally embaressed by your support of Trump. In the meantime this is just a tv show for us, lol. We're just enjoying the show.
Real mature. Your drama teacher is a disaster for Canada. Your country is pushing censorship, cultural suicide, political correctness, bestiality legalization, and is important migrants with incompatible values to get votes despite the fact that they could help more of them if they stayed overseas. J. Trudeau needs to stop letting that God complex having, nazi collaborating sociopath (Look at the CBS interview) named George Soros tell him what to do.
The head mod said she/he had a conceal carry and was not afraid to show off her/his skills, in the same post as she/he was ranting against the admins. Then TD says Spez should be in a gas chamber.
Are you using a jump to conclusions mat? Because that's not a threat. A little background, that mod was being doxxed. Ya know, where people find out where ya live.
Also, not everyone said Spez should be in a gas chamber. You can't judge an entire community because a person or two said Spez should be in a gas chamber. But I think we all agreed that /u/spez is a worthless cuck and I hope his boyfriend sees this.
Have you ever gotten a death threat for expressing an opinion? Now imagine getting them hourly. That's the life of a TD mod, even the women like OhSnap.
Tim Poole has even stated that he will no longer be covering political events in the US because of the amount of death threats he gets from the left, plus the fact that they've actually started attacking him physically simply for covering the news fairly. And he stood side-by-side with these same people during Occupy Wall Street.
Both the left and the right do this and I regularly get death threats from both. A few months ago they called into my job asking for me, and that was because I was saying the Canadian mosque shooter was a white nationalist.
Just went and looked through ETS' top posts of the month, lots of top comments link to other subreddits.
Just looked at the politics sub, and they're better about it than ETS, except there's one top comment with over a thousand upvotes that links to a pro-Trump sub with a note "don't brigade!". I'm sure that'll do the trick.
If they even do have that same rule, it is a rule in name only, and not applied in any way. It is clearly only a rule that has consequences if you're The_Donald.
>**/r/politics and /r/enoughtrumpspam have similar rules. Communiies hat have had difficulties playing nice are targeted by the admins for these special rules. The rules are: Dont brigade, harass, or doxx people.**
What? That's complete bullshit.
Firstly, "Dont brigade, harass or doxx people" are sitewide rules. It makes no sense whatsoever to say that they are _special rules_ applied on subreddits _targeted by the admins_. Again: they are not special rules, and they are not applied only to certain subreddits.
The rules applied to posters on The_Donald were different from these - amongst other things, they could not link to other subreddits for any reason whatsoever.
Linking to other subreddits is not the same as brigading. Brigading is something an individual can do, if you follow a link and vote or comment, or something moderators can do (indirectly) by both linking and telling people to follow the link and vote or comment.
Any subreddit can link to other subreddits. On any subreddit, if an individual should brigade, the individual may be penalized for that.
That is, any subreddit can link to other subreddits, other than The_Donald.
This restriction isn't mutual - other subreddits can link to The_Donald.
Your post gets all of the above completely wrong. It's basic stuff. Your post is still heavily upvoted. That's really, really bad, and points to some problems with Reddit users.
ETS and Politics were ALSO banned from linking to other subs. ETS got a full ban and politics I think got a ban from linking to TD.
Also, yall keep talking about rules but there was only one special rule
>ETS, TD, and politics are just the ones we're aware of.
This is also bullshit. There's several links from ETS to The_Donald right now: [for example](https://www.reddit.com/r/EnoughTrumpSpam/comments/6c46wn/ben_hillarys_emails_hillarys_emails_hillarys/).
>The point it, TD isnt being singled out for that. They're being singled put for calling for people's death and general threats
"Threats" are against sitewide rules and apply to all users - it doesn't require any special rule. And why would this justify a ban on linking to other subreddits, which doesn't apply to other subreddits?
You started out with gross lies. Then you have fallen back in a series of obfuscating and misleading posts. How can I see you as something else than a radicalized guerilla warrior outside of rationality and irreconcilable with a sane society?
ETS, TD, and politics are just the ones we're aware of. Its not like the mods are required to tell the users.
The point it, TD isnt being singled out for that. They're being singled put for calling for people's death and general threats
>ETS, TD, and politics are just the ones we're aware of.
This is also bullshit. There's several links from ETS to The_Donald right now: [for example](https://www.reddit.com/r/EnoughTrumpSpam/comments/6c46wn/ben_hillarys_emails_hillarys_emails_hillarys/).
>The point it, TD isnt being singled out for that. They're being singled put for calling for people's death and general threats
"Threats" are against sitewide rules and apply to all users - it doesn't require any special rule. And why would this justify a ban on linking to other subreddits, which doesn't apply to other subreddits?
You started out with gross lies. Then you have fallen back in a series of obfuscating and misleading posts. How can I see you as something else than a radicalized guerilla warrior outside of rationality and irreconcilable with a sane society?
ETS is not doing too good of a job at following the admin's guidelines.
>"Threats" are against sitewide rules and apply to all users - it doesn't require any special rule.
So you agree that TD calling for spez to go into the gas chamber is a fair reason for punishing the sub? Especially because TD has been doxxing, harassing, and attacking the admins for months now?
>**ETS is not doing too good of a job at following the admin's guidelines.**
So you just asserted that the rules apply to them - but oh wait! they just happen to not follow the rules. It's something they could set up a bot to do very easily, but haven't.
But the rule totally applies to them JUST LIKE it applies to The_Donald! They just don't follow it - but I swear the admins are evenhanded because it applies to them! The rules apply the same to everyone equally, even if not everyone follow them equally and some can do that and others can't.
>>"Threats" are against sitewide rules and apply to all users - it doesn't require any special rule.
>**So you agree that TD calling for spez to go into the gas chamber is a fair reason for punishing the sub? Especially because TD has been doxxing, harassing, and attacking the admins for months now?**
No, that's more obfuscation.
Firstly: As I pointed out: "Threats" are against sitewide rules and apply to all users - it doesn't require any special rule.
The rule against threats apply to all users. That is, all users individually. It applies all across the entire site. Any person posting a threat is liable for action under sitewide rules. Any person posting private information is liable for action under sitewide rules.
Subreddits don't post. Users on subreddits post. There is no need for any "special rules", because the existing rule would mean that anyone breaking the sitewide rules can be banned, and those not doing it won't be banned.
Secondly: Saying a public person should kill themself is on the border of "threat". If that's bannable as a "threat", then innumerable people posting that Trump should kill himself should be banned for making threats, and probably investigated for threatening a sitting President. There's this image where Trump shoots himself through the head - admins can just search for that and mass ban everyone who ever posted it. Will they do that? No, they won't.
Thirdly: You claimed that was the purpose for the special rules. It isn't, because banning them from linking to other subreddits is completely unrelated to what they say about spez.
You're posting in bad faith here - you have continually obfuscated throughout. It wouldn't surprise me whatsoever if I see people killing each other in the street - society is pregnant with extremism, and you are one.
Irrelevant, you can still visit the user pages of the people involved. You will obviously know who they are seeing as you just declared they have posted threats.
You made an extremely serious accusation - that some specified people have posted threats. Please back it up.
Well, then you only have an extremely serious claim that **three** moderators were banned for **making threats**, which you haven't been able to back up whatsoever.
Considering that you have posted a series of lies above, as pointed out in sequence, I doubt it.
You sound far worse than anything I have ever done or said.
I provide reasoned arguments. You provide vomit, piss and shit. The world is better because of me, and worse because of you.
No, that's the rule for those subreddits. np links and no brigading. The rules change when they are broken and if those subs were causing as much disruption to the site stronger restrictions would apply. A short visit to t_D reveals they are not actually being disrupted, as there is a distinct absence of dissenting posts and comments.
There are special rules that were created because of the_Donald. There are a few that are currently uniquely applied to the_Donald (like the no front page for stickies rule and the no links rule) which would be applied to any community engaging in identical behavior to the_Donald.
The admins fully ignore when other subs break their selectively enforced "rules". T_D has been under attack for a long time now, and have fully complied with all the admin's demands.
Other subs / groups have ignored site-wide rules with abandon, and full admin complacency.
This goes so far as actual real-life doxxing and threats against T_D mods and users. :(
That's not true. I've seen posts deleted on anti-Trump subs for breaking the rules, linking without np links, and brigading.
> T_D has been under attack for a long time now,
T_D has been on the offense the entire time,
> and have fully complied with all the admin's demands.
and you continue to hurl abuse at them and make unsubstantiated claims while skirting rules imposed because your subreddit refused to play nice. There are posts on T_D and on Voat talking about brigading other subs from Voat where the admins will be unable to prevent it, and you pretend like you're complying with rules? BS, talk of skirting the rules is strong reason to believe you will skirt the rules and it's not as hard to tell when you brigade as you think.
> This goes so far as actual real-life doxxing and threats against T_D mods and users. :(
I've seen plenty of these on T_D. Yes, it's wrong for people to do that regardless of whether they support Trump and no one should get a free pass. Instead of presenting evidence of this and trying to work with the admins you've been attacking them, threatening to dox them, and making unsubstantiated claims for your subreddit's entire existence. You've gone out of your way to make your community undesirable.
Yea, it was childish and stupid for spez to edit comments on your sub. Those comments were also childish and stupid calling him a homosexual or transexual and doing everything they could to insult and antagonize him to elicit a reaction. He shouldn't have broken but your subreddit has been pushing him and the other admins constantly and as a result of your antagonism towards the staff as well as other users of the site you have set a higher bar you need to pass for your claims to be believed and got yourself nailed with some rules that haven't needed to be applied to other subreddits.
the_Donald has done *everything* wrong it could possibly do, and whines when it's treated appropriately. You've intentionally attracted enormous amounts of attention to yourself and now complain you want to be left alone. It should be apparent how you have failed yourselves.
Right, because T_D follows the rules.
T_D continued, and continues to call out admin hypocracy, because the mountain of abuse they get from other subs and groups, with full admin complacency.
You've seen... yah right bud. Go ahead, show it to the world.
You think with all the harrassment they're subjected to, T_D mods would allow anything like that?
No, T_D is simply a fan club for *shock* Donald Trump. It is that simple, if you like it or not. They should be allowed.
All the shit slinging , actual real-world doxxing and threats you and yours are trying so desperately to attribute to them, come from others *against* them. Pure projection.
There is real-world proof of this. You have zero to the contrary, unless you wanna actually back up the constant flow of bullshit. You can't, and nobody can, because it is all lies. If there was anything of the sort, the admins would have been ALL over it long ago.
Truth is, reddit admins got pissed off at being called out on their bullshit, and suspended a few T_D mods for outing them. No amount of your baseless, non-factual crapola you're talking will ever make it true.
"it's their website!" is your excuse? yes, admins can do what they want, and they can fully expect to be called assholes for doing it. This could easily happen to you and yours, for any number of opinions you hold that the admins do not thing are profitable.
Diff is, T_D members would be right with you, calling out that crap, While you're trying to shovel even more of the same shit on them.
T_D has followed all the ridiculous special rules admins have shoveled on them, put up with all sorts of abuse the admins ignore. And when they said enough is enough, admins suspended them for it. :(
> Right, because T_D follows the rules.
Go ahead, show it to the world.
> T_D continued, and continues to call out admin hypocracy, because the mountain of abuse they get from other subs and groups, with full admin complacency.
T_D participates in the abuse and was the origin of much of it. Nearly every submission on the sub contains direct insults of people who hold other views and posters from T_D continually go into other subreddits and insult users of them. *You're doing it in your post*.
> You've seen... yah right bud. Go ahead, show it to the world.
Surely you realize the problem with showing posts that were *deleted for breaking the rules*.
> You think with all the harrassment they're subjected to
Go ahead, show it to the world.
> T_D mods would allow anything like that?
Considering they do allow it, yea, they would allow it. They appear to encourage it, even.
> No, T_D is simply a fan club for shock Donald Trump. It is that simple, if you like it or not. They should be allowed.
Irrelevant.
> All the shit slinging , actual real-world doxxing and threats you and yours are trying so desperately to attribute to them, come from others against them. Pure projection.
Strawman, ad hominem.
> There is real-world proof of this.
Go ahead, show it to the world.
> You have zero to the contrary, unless you wanna actually back up the constant flow of bullshit. You can't, and nobody can, because it is all lies. If there was anything of the sort, the admins would have been ALL over it long ago.
T_D was attempting to organize brigades on Voat, specifically so the admins of Reddit couldn't ban them for organizing brigades on T_D.
> Truth is, reddit admins got pissed off at being called out on their bullshit, and suspended a few T_D mods for outing them. No amount of your baseless, non-factual crapola you're talking will ever make it true.
"baseless, non-factual crapola." Ad hominem, too.
> "it's their website!" is your excuse? yes, admins can do what they want, and they can fully expect to be called assholes for doing it. This could easily happen to you and yours, for any number of opinions you hold that the admins do not thing are profitable.
Strawman.
> Diff is, T_D members would be right with you, calling out that crap, While you're trying to shovel even more of the same shit on them.
Ad hominem.
> T_D has followed all the ridiculous special rules admins have shoveled on them, put up with all sorts of abuse the admins ignore. And when they said enough is enough, admins suspended them for it. :(
What abuse? People on other subreddits talking about T_D? T_D talks about and insults users of other subreddits all the time. T_D exploited loopholes in the rules, T_D broke the rules, then T_D got new rules and the attention it was begging for. T_D entered a community and were trusted to participate in good faith, then didn't. It's not censoring political views to demand that those views are expressed in a manner useful for constructive discussion. As is you have no argument, just a bunch of insults and strawman posturing while you make unsubstantiated claims and demand I provide evidence of things that don't exist anymore.
In your own words, go ahead, show it to the world. Support any of your claims.
I just had a post auto-deleted for saying "T_D" without a link anywhere in the post. This guy's arguments are completely made up.
T_D does not brigade, does not doxx, does not break reddit rules.
In fact, they ahve a clampdown on that shit like no other.
They are forced to, with the hard on the admins have for every little imagined slight they can make up.
They've suffered from all manner of abuse, from admins, from other subs, from groups that organize off-site.
T_D never hurt a fly. You lot are just pissed off to no end by people holding opinions you disagree with.
And when called out on the blatant hypocrisy, the admins proved, yet again, how utterly lacking in any shred of integrity they actually are. Suspending redditors for complaining about such obvious abuse,
while others actually break site rules, in their endless efforts to silence anything they don't like, are given a free pass.
> T_D does not brigade, does not doxx, does not break reddit rules.
Yet they talk about brigading (and somehow show up in force on other subs), talk about doxxing (and somehow have lists of personal information for private individuals unaffiliated with the sub), and talk about breaking reddit rules (with an enormous fraction of posts threatening, harassing, bullying, or encouraging others to do so), but somehow all of this is incidental even when they initiate a sub-wide shutdown strictly to threaten the administration.
> They've suffered from all manner of abuse, from admins, from other subs, from groups that organize off-site.
Where's the proof you're so eager for? T_D abuses other subs and organizes off-site, and you demand evidence for that, but when it comes time for you to support your claims with evidence you present nothing.
I'll grant you T_D isn't the only sub with hardcore censorship, brigading, and breaking rules, and all of the subs that do it should be dealt with, but you are blatantly lying in claiming that T_D "never hurt a fly," and when pressed for evidence demonstrating that you again present nothing.
> You lot are just pissed off to no end by people holding opinions you disagree with.
Strawman, this is exactly why people don't believe T_D users when they make up these claims. You lie, project, and never actually engage in constructive debate then get upset when people say you are lying, projecting, and not engaging in constructive debate. Shit I was *defending* Trump supporters right to express their opinions last year and among the many saying that blanket labeling them was counterproductive to the left's efforts to bridge the gap.
Like I've said multiple times, T_D has taken every wrong step they possibly could have up until now and it continually doubles down on its bullying and persecution complex instead of making amends with reddit staff and users. If T_D is actually interested in having the restrictions on it loosened, and actually interested in becoming a sub dedicated just to fan-worshipping Donald Trump, it's going about it entirely the wrong way.
> and somehow show up in force on other subs..
oh crap, all the bullshit. You have no links or any sort of proof for any of this. You just read someone else spewing such baseless lies and are repeating them,
or you made them up yourself.
T_D needs no strawmen, unlike you and your lot.
It's been shown that there are bots attacking their posts. It's common knowledge that the admins modified their software, several times, to keep them off of /all.
Now the admins have even given up on such manipulation, and just made their own privately curated list of "acceptable" subs the default, instead of what redditors actually want.
Like you've asserted again and again, with zero backup for your blatant bullshit, is what you mean. Just repeating yourself endlessly does not make it true.
I'm not buying your snake oil, and this thread is so old, you're not influencing anyone else with your disinformation.
Nothing you say about T_D has any facts to back it up whatsoever.
> You have no links or any sort of proof for any of this. You just read someone else spewing such baseless lies and are repeating them, or you made them up yourself.
[Look, T_D doing exactly what you claim they aren't doing.](https://np.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/6bxmnh/hi_admins_there_is_a_soft_rule_here_we_cant_link/) [T_D doing more of what you claim it doesn't do.](https://i.imgur.com/11Nlgk4.jpg) [Still more of T_D doing what you claim it doesn't.](https://voat.co/v/ThePedes/1867631) You have presented no evidence that T_D isn't doing this stuff so... what now? Where is your proof?
> T_D needs no strawmen, unlike you and your lot.
If you don't need them, why do you rely on them so heavily?
> It's been shown that there are bots attacking their posts. It's common knowledge that the admins modified their software, several times, to keep them off of /all.
Where? The only evidence I saw of bots voting on anything was some guy posting showing a steady slope of karma over about 40 minutes on an anti-Trump post and claiming it represented botting... not surprisingly [this applies to posts on The_Donald as well](http://imgur.com/a/5BLvp).
> Now the admins have even given up on such manipulation, and just made their own privately curated list of "acceptable" subs the default, instead of what redditors actually want.
Except default subs always existed and The_Donald was never one, they *removed* the front page that consisted of privately curated default subs, and you are still entirely able to curate your own list of subs. It's literally designed entirely around what redditors want and gives you perfect ability to set what you want.
> Like you've asserted again and again, with zero backup for your blatant bullshit, is what you mean. Just repeating yourself endlessly does not make it true.
You are doing literally exactly this. This is projection.
> this thread is so old, you're not influencing anyone else with your disinformation.
It's 2 days old on a slow sub. There are plenty of 2 day old posts on the front page.
> Nothing you say about T_D has any facts to back it up whatsoever.
Curiously enough, nothing you've said about T_D has any facts to back it up either.
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If you scroll through the comments AutoMod removed a comment for "mentioning the no-no subreddit" which I assume was t_d. Surely that's proof enough that they're actively filtering against mentions of t_d?
There are people harassing his family. If its not doxxing, its harassing the family of a dead man which is worse.
Ooh, another doxx was the Comet Pizza people and the people involved in that Instagram.
You're a recently-appointed default subreddit moderator and anti-Trump subreddit moderator on top of that, so you can just go ahead and admit that's where you're coming from instead of pretending to be the wise arbiter of justice here.
Fuck off. Everybody reading this knows you're looking to jerk yourself off with your own brilliance, so don't pretend you want to engage in an actual conversation either.
See that's what you call an ad hominem, an argumentative error as old as the world's oldest profession; attacking the character of your opponent instead of refuting the claim.
He brought you the examples you wanted and then you went and attacked him 'personally' since you lost your legs to stand on lol.
Sounds like a president I've heard of.
Seth Rich is fucking dead and likely a murder victim. Potentially, killed for political gain. How the hell do you dox a dead person? And what shit did they post about his family?
/r/The_Donald is filled with dishonest, brainwashed extremists who have little to no sense of morality, they care nothing for others or the truth. They constantly brigade other subreddits to spread their far-right propaganda (ex: Seth Rich) and spread lies of persecution.
The sad thing is that you can't come up with your own insults, you have to reuse ones coined by the_donald. Whether any of you all admit it or not, the_donald won. Their legacy will live on here on Reddit long after you all finally succeed in ousting them.
And you all should feel pathetic for wanting to squash a community you could easily ignore, simply because their opinions don't align with yours.
Lies and disinformation are repeatedly being spread by /r/The_Donald, Breitbart and Fox News regarding the murder of Seth Rich. They're not "asking questions", they're trying to distract from the Russian investigation of Trump's administration.
>they're trying to distract from the Russian investigation of Trump's administration.
Even giving them the benefit of the doubt, motive-wise, they're just being plain asshats by doing things like ignoring the wishes of his family.
Where to begin? Pizzagate, "FAKE NEWS", Seth Rich, Breitbart, DEEP STATE, etc. It's an extremely long list, I blocked /r/The_Donald a long time ago to keep it from infecting my front page.
/r/The_Donald is filled with dishonest, brainwashed extremists who have little to no sense of morality, they care nothing for others or the truth. They constantly brigade other subreddits to spread their far-right propaganda (ex: Seth Rich) and spread lies of persecution.
>the_donald has strange and arbitrary rules to follow that other subs do not have to comply with, such as linking to outside subreddits.
Many, ***many*** subs have the exact same restriction. /r/gamingcirclejerk (a heavily left-leaning sub) got slapped with it just last week. What does /r/gamingcirclejerk have in common with /r/the_donald? You guessed it, a history of brigading!
Its not with admin support, its with admin ignorance or indifference
T_D gets shit on by the site at large because T_D also does a metric fuckton of shitting. Other subs with rules like that are significantly smaller or brigade "nicely"
Want to know how SRS gets away with using non-NP links? Because their "brigades" are ineffectual at actually brigading. They don't significantly alter vote counts, they might provide dissenting opinions in the comment sections, but even then 9 times out of 10 they're in a sub where that wouldn't be derailing.
T_D gets shit on by the admins because they make so much more work for the admins. Seth Rich's family tells them to stfu, they double down, and make extra work for the admins. Squeaky wheel gets the grease.
In conclusion: if you don't want special rules, don't be twats. If you insist on being twats, don't be surprised or act indignant when you get fucked.
SRS's brigades are in no way ineffectual. The powermod coalition they run is in control of hundreds of subs, many of them defaults, and are infamous for terrorizing anything they disagree with.
This is very well know, even before the admins threw away any semblance of aloof professionalism and starting sticking their hands in the shit themselves.
The SRS powermod cabal has long done the admin's dirtywork for them, and continues to. Now the admins don't bother to act any better.
This is just another example. Suspending mods of T_D for pointing out their blatant hypocrisy.
All the while the admins fully condone *actual* breaking of rules, and even laws, from their darlings.
The admins MAKE it their job to oppress and abuse subs that they do not find profitable. Opinions they (or you lot) do not agree with are not hurting anybody.
Actual vote manipulation, threats and doxxing do, and they go on daily with full admin approval.
The biggest and worst example is infamous for it.
The admin's SRS powermod darlings get away with so much real-world abuse, let alone just breaking site rules.
There are many, many more. T_D is subjected to doxxing, threats and bot manipulation constantly, all with full admin complacency.
And when they called the admins out on it, the admins suspended their accounts. It has noting, whatsoever to do with "broken rules".
It has everything to do with the admins being hypocritical assholes.
They control the site, they can do that if they want, but they can also deal with the reputation they've built for it.
The bias on reddit is so blatant. Their hypocrisy knows no bounds and they're poisoning their own well and don't care. What are they going to do when the last of the Conservative views abandons ship and move on to another platform?
I'll tell you what they're going to do. They're going to continue their witch hunt and stab each other in the back till even they can't bare themselves anymore.
Bullshit that sub is full of hate speech and doxxing.
They did change all for EVERYONE based on that sub ABUSING stickies and bots to brigade other subs and all.
It's not censorship get over it. Y'all are assholes that get called out and run to your safe space.
But the BANNING and such is from rule breaking
Most of what I've seen in terms of "TD breaking rules" has been on /r/AgainstHateSubreddits
I'm not actually in favor of removing TD. But I'm also not keen on people trying to spin this as censorship, when it's clearly not.
It definitely is censorship. I can tell you from experience.
They've put downvote bots on us to reset our posts to zero. We've been brigaded countless times.
T_D mods had to comply with special rules that no other sub had to. Admins do nothing to stop the brigading and censorship, so this is the T_D mods' way of saying fuck you to the admins, they they aren't dealing with it anymore.
If they ban T_D as a result we will flood the rest of Reddit and bring it down with us.
They insist that we aren't allowed to link to other sites subreddits, especially /R/Redacted (worldnews). Can't have dangerous REAL opinions drowning out the bots.
What do you mean by dangerous REAL opinions? You believe the people who disagree with you are merely bots? And what do you mean by "dangerous?" Sorry for being so ignorant.
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http://tapprweb.com/reddit-lying-the_donald-subscriber-numbers/191
There was another excellent post about statistical proof of bots brigading T_D, but is inaccessible now that the sub is private. Remind me if the sub opens up again, and I will retrieve it for you.
Edit - here it is:
http://archive.is/srVYh
1. Can't mention any other sub by name.
Specifically not politics. No linking to anything allowed.
2. We were constantly brigaded, but we couldn't rally or brigade anything ourselves.
3. Can't mention Spez.
I'm sure there's more but I can't name them off the top of my head, sorry.
All we want is the rules to apply to everyone equally. We're simply fed up with how we've been treated. We've been bashed and had extreme examples of vote manipulation, people banning us just for posting there, actual threats made against us and our mods, etc. Admins did jackshit about it and said *they* were allowed, but we were not.
What is Spez???
All we want is the rules to apply to everyone equally. We're simply fed up with how we've been treated. We've been bashed and had extreme examples of vote manipulation, people banning us just for posting there, actual threats made against us and our mods, etc. Admins did jackshit about it and said they were allowed, but we were not. --------And T_D never did any of this?
Spez is the CEO of Reddit, who was caught *editing our comments.*
No, TD never officially brigaded. We banned or removed comments when anyone posted links outside of the sub. Literally had a bot to do so. It was a huge rule. That's why it's such a big deal now, because we are no longer playing by the silly rules the admins placed. They weren't being enforced fairly.
This fiasco was caused by one of our mods rebelling because of the bias the admins have shown, and subsequently being banned for it.
There is a clear bias here, whether you support TD or not. It isn't right no matter what side you're on.
It's fucking ridiculous how many pages of /r/all and how many threads about this ban I had to sift through to find a post like this. The *entire site* is pretending like /r/The_Donald just walled off their subreddit for no reason and now they're having a field day making it a point to distract people from the fact that three of the mods got banned for a set of rules that only seem to apply to them.
I remember when Reddit wasn't shit, I remember when it wasn't a complete echo chamber circlejerk of a website. It's hardly recognizable anymore, and people don't seem to mind because it's not affecting them yet. This is insane.
Can you give me sources that your comments were being edited?
We banned or removed comments when anyone posted links outside of the sub. Literally had a bot to do so. It was a huge rule.____ Isn't this part of what Reddit is doing to your group that you've been bitching about? They implemented your rules against you?
Not everyone is going to agree with you, so obviously you are going to go against different biases. Isn't your group tough enough to engage and battle that without being snowflakes about it?
> Can you give me sources that your comments were being edited?
Spez made a comment about it a few months ago. He did it a couple times in response to t_D posters talking shit about him and replaced references to himself with references to t_D mods. It was immature and he apologized for it, t_D has used it to further their persecution complex.
http://m.washingtonexaminer.com/reddit-ceo-admits-editing-pro-trump-users-comments/article/2608177
I saw when it happened. It was all over a ton of subs. Many news sites say the same. I might be able to pull up the actual thread where spez admits it if it's still up. Let me know what you think.
https://www.reddit.com/r/announcements/comments/5frg1n/tifu_by_editing_some_comments_and_creating_an/
Here is spez's official statement on it. Where he admitted he did it.
Yes they did. There is evidence that TD used vote manipulation. Once Reddit didn't take action other subs realized the doors where open to break rules. I remember Reddit before your numb nuts sub was around. Funny how you people laugh at people getting sources elsewhere. But yet you all are to dense to look up the evidence of vote manipulation on TD.
The exact opposite is true. There is well documented vote manipulation from other subs / groups, completely ignored by admins mind you. Not to mention real life threats and doxxing of T_D mods and posters, also ignored by admins.
T_D fully complied with an increasingly ridiculous set of special rules, as well as the site-wide ones that other subs are allowed to break on the daily.
I mean the guy is the CEO. This is kinda his place.
It's like, if someone invited themselves over to your house, then you caught him slapping your kids, trying to rape your wife, dumping garbage into your neighbors yard and screaming 'fags' at them, if they complain.
Then, when you say "I think you should leave", he sits on your porch crying like a baby, calls the cops and tells them you are discriminating against him.
More attempts at censorship and downvoting the truth. They don't even know that I'm *not* a huge Trump fan. I'm just a truth seeker, wanting justice for Seth Rich and for everyone on here that's been wronged because of the regressive left's tactics.
No the rest of Reddit will just keep downvoting the spam. Maybe if every post didn't show in /all in all caps. It was annoying and childish , compare it to the rest of the political subs even r/conservatism doesn't do crazy all caps rant titles and their probably the closest on the political spectrum
It's not but just like every other sub that gets caught brigading they ignored the penalties. I've seen the brigading in some of my favorite subs and got dms from the T_D users for speaking out. Other subs just usually listen to the rules and stop while T_D decided to rant and fight back. It's not censorship T_D is still open to post whatever they like to themselves and push it to :all if that's the goal.
You're missing it.
That's not just it. We've had *blatant* vote manipulation against us. No, we can't push our stuff to the top naturally anymore. The admins changed their algorithm to specifically target us.
There was a post the other day by an unbiased user who posted the data of clear and evident botting. It was a steady fucking line.
There's also the sticky rule that I forgot. First they took away stickies, and then they made them unable to reach all. No other sub had that.
Tbh I am missing the point because I don't see the point of trying to get to the top. T_D also bans users with dissenting opinions so it's really not to debate their topics with the rest of Reddit. If the sub was just trying to reach the top for the purpose of what often felt like spamming Reddit then it should be harder to push its content up.
Ugh. You're highly misinformed. Not maliciously, I'll give you that.
TD banned dissent *because it's specifically not a sub for that.* It's literally a pro Trump rally. We state that in the side bar and redirect to a different sub, /r/AskTrumpSupporters, for debate. It's fucking emboldened in the comment box.
We speak about free speech because *we've* been banned **in places that are supposed to be impartial** such as /r/politics and non political subs. You can see there's a huge difference between the two.
You're really not understanding it. **The admins allowed other subs to use vote manipulation and bots to essentially remove our sub from all, a way to silence our opinion.** Don't you get the implications of this?
But you take that rally and move it elsewhere that's why there are issues and bans in other subs. T_D is often just as guilty, for example after the election on r/iamverysmart there was a post.
It was a picture of Hillary saying too she was too smart to lose. This post made it to the top of the sub without even being the right format (supposed to be the person claiming to be smart themselves) and all the top comments were from T_D users who had no post history in that sub but managed to comment on that post near its creation.
The bots and brigading go both ways I think Reddit just got tired of the rowdier one
> TD banned dissent because it's specifically not a sub for that. It's literally a pro Trump rally. We state that in the side bar and redirect to a different sub, /r/AskTrumpSupporters, for debate. It's fucking emboldened in the comment box.
Banning dissent is anti-free speech. Having rules to enforce the echo chamber just makes it more strongly against free speech. You cannot reconcile "supporting free speech" and having "banning dissent." That's the exact same argument you make when applied to liberal subreddits, regardless of whether they actually ban dissent.
> We speak about free speech because we've been banned in places that are supposed to be impartial such as /r/politics and non political subs. You can see there's a huge difference between the two.
Censoring relevant (in this case concerning Trump and his administration qualifies as relevant to a subreddit about Trump and his administration) dissenting opinions and claiming to represent free speech is hypocrisy, regardless of whether the sub is "specifically not for dissent." Beyond that I've seen plenty of pro-Trump comments on /r/politics, anti-Trump subreddits, and non-political subs, you have clearly not been banned because of your political views. Getting your submissions downvoted because the userbase doesn't like them is how reddit works. If you cannot deal with that there are plenty of other places you could move your community.
> You're really not understanding it. The admins allowed other subs to use vote manipulation and bots to essentially remove our sub from all, a way to silence our opinion. Don't you get the implications of this?
Evidence? Your subreddit has annoyed an enormous portion of reddit's userbase, liberal and otherwise, and because you do not allow dissenting or even slightly critical comments the only response possible is to downvote and move on. Users opting out of your content does not constitute site-based censorship. You've silenced yourselves.
But but but but, T_D was the echo chamber we specifically built to get around the normal way posts got to r/all, and then those mean admins ruined our safe space!
Cry more, pussy. You aren't an American, you're the American Taliban.
Mate, do I have to spell it out for you? TD had to be a safe space, because if it wasn't we'd be over run. This site has a large amount of losers who spend their time brigading and building bots because they hate us that much. I'm not even conservative, by the way. I still get treated like dirt by these idiots who assume that because I'm Pro Free Speech and not rabidly hating on Trump and his supporters I must be an "uneducated hick". You people do not understand that everybody's political opinions are valid and you can agree to disagree.
You can take a look at this thread for an example.
American Taliban, my ass. You must be thinking of Antifa.
Yeah, exactly. If it wasn't your little safe space, echo chamber, you wouldn't be able to circle jerk irrelevant, unresearched, untrue bullshit to the front page, despite the fact that the majority of reddit thinks you guys are incompetent idiots, and history will prove us right. If you didn't have your little safe space, you would actually have to deal with real issues that are brought up, like the deepening links between Russia and Trump.
I'm all for free speech, but T_D isn't, and then complains when other people censor them.
hint: You weren't being censored. Reddit, along with most intelligent Americans, think Trump is a piece of shit, and his followers are even worse, i.e. T_D. That's why your bullshit, no-content posts get spammed to 0, once /r/all sees them.
Trump has thoroughly shown he is a corrupt piece of shit, and T_D brings up Seth Rich and Hillary's Emails, and circlejerks them to the front page, even though Trump WON. You know why you guys are circlejerking the Seth Rich and Email stories still? Because the present reality is too hard for you to accept. Trump is a failure, and only fucking idiots support him, and even though there's a better and better chance every day, that he's going to be impeached, you guys fucking ignore current events, so you can stick your thick skulls further in the sand.
Rot, you fucking un-American, piece of shit.
Huh. I'm the un-American one, when you lot spout threats and lovely messages like this one to people with differing opinions as well as engage in literal McCarthyism and witch-hunting.
It's so humourous to me that your only response to my reply is to scream and attempt to belittle me.
Hint: it doesn't work. It will never work. Ad hominems are a flaw, and they show you have no idea what you're talking about. You can scream and shout and yell all you'd like, but you're never going to have the influence over the American people that you want. People are starting to see you for what you really are: bigots who can't contain themselves and who lust for power. Your screaming that you aren't getting your way supports that fact.
You are exactly the reason why I left the Democrats. Or, should I say, the *Democrats left me.* You disenfranchised and cannibalized your own moderates and now you reap what you sow.
Again, you have a right to your opinion, and I have every right to think you're an idiot, and to call you one too.
If you were an American who hung out with actual Americans, this wouldn't be news to you. Considering that you are probably the type who spends a lot of time in T_D, I can understand how you have lost sight of what it is to be a decent human being, let alone an American.
Sorry you and your fellow American Talibani's bid for power is being rejected.
Edit: Lol, you're saying _I_ won't have the influence I seek? There's a reason T_D is bringing up Seth Rich and Hillary's emails still, months after the election, it's to hide discussion of the current events, that are more and more pointing to the fact that Trump isn't just a dipshit, he's downright evil, and selling American security away to satisfy his machismo.
More attacks. Yawn. Don't you get tired? Yes yes, I'm sure I'm not a decent human being. Half of us Americans aren't even people don'tcha know. Don't be silly.
You think he's evil and that he's selling America out for his own gains? I understand mistakenly thinking he's an idiot, but evil? Come on man, you can do better than that.
Especially if you've said you understand what the alternative was.
The truth is, Americans were sick of the status quo failure that is Obama. We were sick of his high taxes, his economical failures. We knew Hillary would be more of the same. So, we said, what the hell? And picked something new for once. And now you're sitting here and demonizing all of us just for exercising our right to vote. Now that, frankly, sounds more un-American than anything. Keep it up, this is quite fun.
You have every right to call us idiots, and we have every right to keep on trucking the way we always have. We also have the right to ignore you and vote counter to your beliefs.
Keep building your straw men.
Mistakenly thinking he's an idiot?
Only an idiot wouldn't be able to tell the Trump is a moron.
Obama may not have been great, but the main reason more benefit didn't come, is because the American Taliban has gerrymandered its way into controlling more of the government, with less of the votes, just like the guy who lost the popular election, Trump.
High taxes? What a fucking retard. Why don't you MAGA and bring America back to the 50's when the effective tax rate for people like Trump was over 50%. You have bought every talking point, hook, line, and sinker.
What a fucking moron.
Even MORE attacks! Whew.
That all you got? What's next, I wonder.
No matter how you attack me, Trump is in now. He is our president, now. He isn't being impeached. You can hope and pray and attempt to intimidate people trying to live their lives, but it really isn't happening. I know it's hard not to trust CNN, but I believe in you. :)
If it turns out I was wrong, I'd say so. But until there's empirical evidence *beyond a reasonable doubt*? Haha, not a chance! Ruthlessly attacking me isn't changing anybody's mind. Proof would, that is if you had some.
I could say the same to you, that you've fallen for the establishment bait. You've spat out all the Democratic talking points, what with the whole "Russian" debacle. I very well would've respected you and your opinion had you refrained from verbally abusing me, but hey. It is what it is. You've pushed people like me and all the rest of the moderates out out out, and now you get to live with the rest of the crazies. You've made your bed now sleep in it.
The more people you attack, the more people who come to us. Think for a moment.
> He isn't being impeached.
If the rest of T_D was so confident of that, maybe there would actually be posts about the current events, instead of spamming the front page, and r/all with nonsense about Seth Rich and HRC's emails.
Let's be real, T_D is flailing so much, because even FOX news has started reporting on the investigations and Russian connections.
What's this? A post without attacking me!? That's new. Are you done yet?
Seth Rich isn't nonsense. He was killed by the DNC. They're spouting out the Russian narrative to hide it.
Do you know how big the implications of Rich's death are? Yuuuuge. No, but really. There's a reason they're upping the ante and attempting to cover it up. TD is upping the ante in its investigations as a response.
We're digging closer and closer, and they're pushing the Russian thing harder and harder. It's no coincidence.
Sure bud, with all these recent developments, that the top minds in T_D have found, I'm sure it's just a matter of time before they put the puzzle together.
Let's ignore the fact that most of reddit was smart enough to learn from the Boston Marathon bombing that reddit is not full of sleuths, just computer nerds with too much time for conjecture. Let's also forget that his family has told you guys to fuck off.
Let's also forget that FBI director, who many blamed for Clinton's loss, was removed, for refusing to drop an investigation into Flynn, somebody with obvious Russian connections. You know, the investigation that's happening with professionals, and not a bunch of dumb hicks on reddit?
Seth Rich may have been killed by the DNC, I dunno. What I do know, is that you guys are not sleuths, you're neckbeards in an echo chamber. What I also know, is that Seth Rich is not in any way relevant to current events or even T_D. It's an obvious smoke screen, so you guys can pretend there isn't an impending impeachment.
Notice how all the guys who are 'on your side,' have ditched or switched? Chaffetz? Comey? Flynn?
Keep telling yourself you're getting close, just like you guys are in favor of American ideals, while mostly being religious idiots who refuse to allow for criticism or free speech.
You and your ilk are the American Taliban.
You keep repeating that line that we are the Taliban as if it's a mantra of yours. Like you're telling yourself that everything will be okay.
*Are* you okay?
Just like you keep telling yourself that a bunch of dorks in a subreddit are going to crack a 6 month old murder.
Difference is, that I'm right, now. Still waiting for you and your fellow Taliban to get Podesta, or pizzagate, or Seth Rich off the ground, outside of your retard echo chambers.
I saw the post by your unbiased user. It didn't prove anything and oversimplified the data. Also he had an excuse for why he couldn't recreate the data.
Also I don't believe anything the Donald says about doxxing or harassment I think it's far more likely the instances are few and many are orchestrated by the Donald themselves. Remember these are the same people who yell false flag after every shooting and terrorist attack.
It absolutely proved, beyond a doubt, exactly what the data so clearly showed.
> I don't believe anything the Donald says
This is the only true statement you've made there.
It's not vote manipulation.
TRUMP IS A LOSER AND SO ARE YOU.
Trump lost the popular vote, he sucks even worse now that he's won. It wasn't manipulation on our part, it was his manipulation of you, you fucking shill.
You can ignore blatant vote manipulation and corruption because it doesn't apply to you. But how does that poem go?
*"First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.*
*Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.*
*Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.*
*Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me*."
You don't need to be on our side politically to understand that censorship is wrong. However, with your insulting and ad hominems it's apparent you'll never listen to reason. I'm done arguing with you.
> every other sub that gets caught brigading they ignored the penalties
exactly the opposite. While T_D was complying fully with an increasingly opressive set of special "rules" just for them, as well as site-wide ones,
other groups / subs are allowed to break the admin's selectively enforced "rules" with wild abandon.
You can't even see those posts, considering the admins have implemented features and algorithms to make it easy for everyone on the site NOT subscribed to T_D to not see their content.
Remember they implemented the /r/all filter and in the demonstration, the sub they showed being filtered was T_D?
The only reason people come into the sub is to brigade and downvote posts, because they can't bear knowing that the sub even exists.
That's a fucking lie. I see a Donald post every other page on all still. Do you not remember the day where the donald was the first 7 pages of all? 7 entire pages.
You realize the admins created a new feature, the filter for /r/all, and demonstrated using it to block The_Donald right?
You literally don't have to see the_Donald unless you want to, yet you and so many other redditors are still complaining.
You're all just mad that it exists, you have all the tools at your disposal to avoid it.
Are you agreeing with me?
You literally don't have to see The_Donald. You can unsubscribe, filter it from /r/all, and it doesn't show up in /r/popular, so you will literally never see it unless you want to.
And T_D was the first 7 pages of /r/all because the admins were changing the algorithm to prevent T_D from showing up as regularly on /r/all, and were testing out different ways to change the algorithm.
>comrade
Wew. I thought you'd realize, though, that one person doesn't speak for all. We know we're being immature, but it's immaturity prompted by the immature bias and partiality the admins have shown. Enough with the games.
They tried to choke us out like a new Anaconda Plan. They either need to enforce the rules for all or remove them. They're obligated to be *unbiased*.
The sub spams nonsense, unproven garbage, about a nobody who got murdered at 4am in DC, murder capitol of america, while their 'god emperor,' is brushing up against impeachment, and you have the nerve to blame other people.
I'm gonna laugh when you dumb hicks are proven to have been supporting a fucking commie shill. CUCKS.
>dumb hicks
It's real funny that you think half the nation are uneducated hillbillies. Even funnier that you only think that because they disagree with your opinions. You're actually being bigoted, something leftists tend to push on us. Please learn that everybody has their own valid opinions, even if they cross with yours.
Yeah, probably more than half the country is stupid, but not because they disagree with me.
Your opinion is not valid just because it's your opinion. Your opinion does not deserve respect, just because it's your opinion. Just because you can vote, and string a coherent sentence together, doesn't mean you aren't a moron, or are deserving of respect.
You voted for Trump. I though Clinton was shit, sure, but I was never stupid enough to think Trump would be a decent president, and if the last few months are any indicator, I'm right.
I'm not a bigot, you are free to have you opinion, and I'm free to think you're a fucking idiot, for it. You sound like the religious right. Pissing in everyone's faces, and then when you get called on it for being a piece of shit, suddenly it's everyone else's fault, and you're being persecuted.
Just like your shitty president. 'Yeah, I'm an incompetent idiot, who's clearly in bed with the Russians, but the real problem is, who told you?'
You and your ilk are an embarrassment to real Americans.
Lovely generalizations you got going there.
Sure, you don't need to respect us. Respect is earned. You sure as hell aren't winning anyone's respect over with your internet tantrums, though. Nor are Antifa winning anyone over with their riots.
You see, most Americans strive for peace. What you are doing is breaking the peace. Most Americans worry about putting food on the table and the economy. They do not give a shit about your political agenda. They don't have time to worry about witch-hunting and McCarthyism. I'm sure you may genuinely think that Trump is in bed with the Russians, but have you ever stopped to think about why that would even be? Why it matters? We influence other elections all the time, as do most first world countries. We play the game. We spy on allied countries. So why are you being so hypocritical, if it's even remotely true? And if it turns out to be false, well... you're proven to just wanting a scapegoat for all your little problems.
Haha, American Taliban. You're calling a bunch of people shitposting on the internet equivalent to a terrorist organization. Let that sink in. Sounds like we're living in your head rent free.
I try to debate with you and see both sides with you and you attack me. I'm wondering if you will ever clue in as to why people voted for Trump in the first place. I'll give you a hint: it's because we're sick of being attacked by people like you. It's the biggest "Fuck You" in American political history. As for his first few months? They've been great for most of us! Taxes are lowering, economy is blooming. How horrible.
Most of us only care about our economy and safety. We don't care for doomsayers like you.
I don't need your respect, and I don't want it. You and the rest of T_D are fucking stupid, and morally bankrupt. The echo chamber you guys have setup is a perfect example of it. Your ideas can't withstand criticism, so you ban criticism, then when all the people who have been banned from T_D, vote against their pointless circlejerk posts, you claim it's censorship.
If you actually believe this verbal diarrhea your spouting, I don't want your respect, I pity you.
Woah, that's a new one. Verbal diarrhea. Nice! +10 points.
Hey, I don't need your silly pity. Reality's got my back. We've won the presidency after all. We're in charge. We aren't the ones crying after something we've already lost. I'm happy to let you vent here.
I could spend my time explaining to you- again for the second time - about the censorship thing. I'm not going to waste my time on someone who isn't going to listen, though. That's just silly.
You don't need my respect, no, but you need the rest of America's respect if you wanna win anything or change anything. I don't think attacking them will win them over, boss. But that's just me. You do you.
No. America already spoke. Trump lost the vote, and won the election, and that's primarily because of low turn out. Trump and his supporters already lost. T_D and its members are a perfect example. The admins don't have to nuke your posts. You're already losers, and most of America already thinks you and yours are dead weight.
I don't have to convince anybody, I just have to wait for all the old, uninformed assholes to die off. Only problem is, the American Taliban knows they're losing, so they don't care about cheating to win, and they might permanently damage American institutions in the process.
Two things: wanting fellow Americans to die for their opinions. Wow, you're a very empathetic individual.
I have a newsflash for you. Don't be scared, but Gen Z is the most conservative generation yet. Conservatism is the new counter culture. You're fucked if you think relying on those scapegoated baby boomers to die is what will have you win.
It's okay. Vent all you like. I'll be here for you. You will come around in time and see that your needless insulting has the effect equivalent of a teenager having a tantrum to his parents. Won't change much. We're all in this together, you know. :)
I never claimed to be empathetic. I'm pragmatic. The world is full up, and resources are becoming more scarce. I have no problem with dropping dead weight.
Lol, Gen Z, the most conservative yet? The generation that spawned SJWs, and has made it generally socially unacceptable to be Republican?
Keep sticking your head in the sand. Maybe you will find Seth Rich's killer down there.
First of all, the fact that you codify things like that, is just proof of how fucking stupid you are.
The only way 'Gen Z' will be more conservative, is if you and your Taliban buddies manage to destroy public schools, and make all of America dumber. As people get more educated, they are more likely to be liberal, and the only way you can counter that trend, is by sabotaging America's future.
Reddit deserves nothing less, they preach 'muh safe space' bullshit but go out of their way to antagonize and harass anyone who doesn't toe the progressive line. T_D should go all out and call their bluff because banning a subreddit dedicated to the POTUS **WILL** kill reddit.
The 3 moderators were banned 3 hrs after we found seth rich's twitter handle. The name of that twitter handle was able to be cross-referenced to a seemingly random negative comment made by a dnc staffer. With the context of it being seth rich the dnc staffer is essentially revealing that the dnc knew about seth's involvement in the leaks.
https://twitter.com/realS4T/status/865597728000155650
Seth Rich was a DNC staffer who was murdered, still unsolved. t_d think that DNC/Hillary murdered him because he was the wikileaks source for info about the DNC rigging the primary
> t_d think that DNC/Hillary murdered him because he was the wikileaks source for info about the DNC rigging the primary
Well the things they say about him are pretty mean. I am normally not a big conspiracy guy but just read some of the stuff said about him.
This one person first calls him an "embarrassment" and then says this
>I hope his legacy will serve as an example to others who might step in to take his place.
Y’all are still on this bullshit that has no evidence to back it while supporting Trump who said he would turn his back on NATO Allies? Wow y’all drank gallons of the Flavorade, no?
I mean I watched the video in the tweet and the embarrassment one looks a lot like something I would send to a friend as a joke based of his username or whatever. I don't know about the other tweets but I think that one at least could go either way depending on how you construe the context.
Do you mean the email leak with like 3 quasi negative emails? Like don't get me wrong, I think the DNC rigged the primary, but I combed those emails and it was a stretch to say anything in there was about rigging.
Edit for people down voting me how about you go get me an email. How but you go search the dumps and actually show me one.
Come on dude. I'm not going to spend my time looking up emails for you but there was a lot of damning stuff in there. The firing of Schulz happened after wikileaks revealed the rigging, remember? Same with the woman who was leaking questions. Journalists from several prominent left wing media outlets were caught colluding with them.
No. Fuck you. Im sorry, but this is what half the problem is. You can verify bullshit you read. The collusion was a single email, that was in no way shape or form out of the ordinary. Get me an email. There are 3 which if actually read them really are not anything. I do think the dnc colluded against bernie. Those emails are not a smoking gun.
Hang on a second. You seem to be getting angry but maybe this is all just a miscommunication. I have no idea what happened to Seth Rich and I didn't see anything in the emails to suggest there was a political motive for his murder. I interpreted your last comment to mean that there was nothing damning in the emails when there obviously was because Wasserman Schultz and Donna Brazile lost their jobs over it. And other reporters were caught running questions by them and having conversations with them where they were asking for direction about pieces they were planning.
I don't know, nor care about seth rich (not that I don't care, i just don't care). "There obviously was cause wasserman lost her job". Was there though? We live in an age where people read article headlines and think they have the story. There's a million people just like you. Some one said the emails were damning and a bunch of sheep agreed without knowing a goddamn thing because you're trusting with out verifying. You can goto wiki leaks and seach ALL the emails. In all of them there were 3 emails (that I could find) that could be spun or interpreted. Other than that, I never saw a source in many of the articles I read.
You just said a few comments ago that you believed the DNC did collude against Bernie.
I am not even sure what the argument is at this point. This is feeling like a spat with my gf or something.
Wasserman having a license plate that says HRC is more telling than the emails. I'm just saying those emails don't mean anything and they weren't worth anything. The conversation isn't about collusion. It's about the emails.
A lot of people believe he was the one who gave Wikileaks the Podesta emails, which were a major reason that Hillary Clinton lost the election. This contradicts what most mainstream media outlets have been saying, which is that the Russians hacked Podesta's emails and gave them to Wikileaks so that they could interfere in our election.
Seth rich was later murdered in a "robbery gone wrong". Some people believe that he was actually killed by the DNC, because they had somehow found out he was the one who leaked the emails. One of the biggest pieces of evidence supporting this theory is that none of Rich's valuables were taken from his body.
> This contradicts what most mainstream media outlets have been saying
And every intelligence agency in the USA, right?
So basically in one conspiracy both the intelligence communities who are investigating Trump look like they're covering up a revenge murder for hillary, and the russians look less bad because they weren't interfering in the elections by leaking those emails?
You should tell his parents in person, just the way you put it here. Undoubtedly they're brainwashed you see, hiring a private investigator and all, as their son's murderer(s) are yet to be found.
In case you missed my point: Your comment is an incredibly low-effort comment.
His parents haven't said anything. The "family spokesman," who happens to be a crisis management PR guy from the DNC, keeps castigating everyone who tries to link Seth Rich to the leaks.
As far as we know they've convinced the family he had nothing to do with it, and if his family are also Hillary supporters, they may not want the stigma of him having torpedoed her candidacy. There could be a number of reasons why they don't contradict the 'official' narrative.
Intelligence communities investigating trump: what do you even mean? Comey even said under oath that he wasn't under FBI investigation. If the NSA comes out and says hey we found evidence then Donald will just admit that they / Barry wire tapped him. This investigation won't go anywhere, sorry.
I intended to mean trump's team, though I am curious as to the source of comey testifying under oath that the FBI is not investigating Trump himself. Can you link that? I tried to find it but all of the results are about a more recent story.
The only people who would be investigating Trump nor his team would be the FBI and I don't personally believe they are. Perhaps a few select figures within the team for narrow reasons, but not a broad investigation of the Trump team.
The intelligence communities haven't looked into this shit, and if the NSA knows, they're not gonna tell because their job is to stop terrorism, not political assasinations.
People have to censor you because even the man's *parents* have come out and said they're sick of the harassment. 99% of this speculation is based on testimony from a crackpot PI. Yall seriously can't just play nice? Also, the Streisand effect is totally separate.
Even the PI said he was misquoted and heard that he was the source of the leaks from a Fox News analyst. I mean there's literally no leg for this conspiracy to stand on.
"That story on Fox 5 last night was inaccurate," said Wheeler, a former DC homicide detective. "I don't even know where the computers are."
[Wheeler told the same thing to CNN, adding that the comments he made to Fox 5 in DC were intended to promote the Fox News story.
"I only got that information from the reporter at Fox News," Wheeler told CNN.](https://www.buzzfeed.com/claudiakoerner/the-private-detective-who-ignited-a-clinton-conspiracy?utm_term=.hsxYOlbdLX#.oxAPY6m3Nw)
Also like you said the family denies it and is asking them to please stop.
[Family of slain DNC staffer: Those attempting to politicize death are 'causing more harm than good'](http://www.businessinsider.com/dnc-seth-rich-wikileaks-politicize-2016-8)
Well, you're correct that it's not "proof," but why call it a "botched robbery" if there's no sign of a robbery? A botched robbery would be killing somebody to take their stuff (his things would be missing), not killing somebody and not taking their stuff (he still had $2,000 worth of money, jewelry and his cell phone on him).
As Jimmy Dore says, "why not call it a botched rape?" because there was just as much evidence that they didn't rape him as there was that they didn't rob him.
I would say the motive is clear also. Especially with podesta saying "we need to make an example out of them".
The DNC/Hillary campaign (same thing) had motive.
Conspiracies gone retarded. Some "private investigator" that has nothing to do with the family of Seth Rich (a DNC staffer murdered last year) claims to have unveiled some dark stuff about his murder, some *powers influencing the investigation*. The family of Seth Rich told him to leave them alone and stop this nonsense. Instead of checking out who this guy is and who's paying him (highly suspicious if you look into it), T_D has chosen to believe his claims PLUS some screenshots from 4chan that supposedly shows some huge conspiracy. Because that makes them smart, believing anonymous people on 4chan with dubious claims.
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Careful what you wish for Reddit, you are about to get a ton of Trump supporters in other communities and they won't be as easy to manage as they were in one place.
This sentiment is so dumb. We are already in those communities. We existed there before TD was even a thing. Many will continue to exist as they have even if TD shuts down for good (personally, TD can go fuck itself with it's censorship heavy mods).
It's not like I'm saying Trump supporters didn't exist before t_d or that they don't exist outside it today. I do think that Reddit abused its moderation and administration systems to push much of the pro Trump sentiment into one community and that community made it easy to marginalize those supporters. Recent moves against t_d mods could lead to that community finally breaking apart by and large and if that happens, pro Trump sentiment won't be as easy to bottle up and direct. Thanks for saying I'm being dumb though. That was cool of you.
It will dissolve just like FPH did. For a week or two there will be outcry, satellite subs will form but won't be of any note due to a lack of membership. People will move on.
Besides, this is not our site. It's Conde Nast's. And Spez being the big man child that he is seems to have been given full reigns to run it into the ground just like Kevin Rose ran Digg into the ground. Besides, what alternative is there? Voat? lol, same problems reddit has. Beyond that, no other site. At least when Digg imploded reddit was a viable lifeboat.
So we'll stay, and move on, and it won't be a big deal because we all know this site is trash but even trash can be useful sometimes.
Where's my whining? I'm merely pointing out the reality of the situation. Shit, I even call out the TD mods for being censor-heavy asshats.
> (personally, TD can go fuck itself with it's censorship heavy mods)
Seems like you have some sort of issue you need to work out. I'm fine with TD existing or not. Reddit has been a shithole for a while with the behavior by admins and mods alike, regardless of the political stuff.
you're seriously comparing t_d to fph? really dude? fph was a genuinely boring sub with a one-track mindset. t_d was an extremely diverse group of people sharing common core values. and why do people always shit on voat? is there racism? of course. that's what happens on a site that supports truly open forums of discussion. if you don't like voat just because you're afraid of debating a racist, then you must not be a very smart person to begin with.
> t_d was an extremely diverse group of people
So was FPH, except no fatties
> sharing common core values
Meh, not really. We all voted for Trump, that's about it. It seemed like TD was pretty hard right wing but that's because the mods censor the fuck out of posts and remove anything that doesn't mesh with the pro-life christian line. Centrists basically got silenced despite our support for the president. The slightest amount of doubt was purged from the record.
> if you don't like voat just because you're afraid of debating a racist
What? All I said was voat has the same problems reddit has. Where did you get debating a racist from?
who the fuck is "we"? it's more than obvious, this early on, that you are a shill getting upvoted by bots. t_d is by no stretch of the buzzword a "hard right wing" sub. we have consistently embraced people of all religions, ethnicities, nationalities, and sexuality that doesn't coincide with mental illness. ffs, one of our biggest icons is a gay jew who fucks black guys. as for voat, do not even pretend that racism wasn't the first word you were eager to toss at me to win a debate. you aren't nearly that special, sweetheart. voat isn't perfect from an emotional perspective, but it is pretty rock solid at not crashing all the time like reddit.
Are you? I was a full liberal a year ago. I voted Bernie and voted trump in the general. Yes I do have liberal values but I'm also balanced band understanding of others ideas. So I'm jus one example
You are trashing him withouteven trying to understand. I'm exactly the same. It's not just about politics, it's about SINCERITY. You couldn't have two more different candidates than Trump and Sanders .... EXCEPT what? They are both sincerely anti establishment.
Edit: Are you people seriously arguing that Trump was the establishment candidate? Wow. I don't even know what to say. People wonder why politics is so polarized, yet they can't even agree that water is wet in a conversation about sincerity.
A billionaire New York real estate mogul and reality TV star isn't anti-establishment. No, he's not part of the Republican establishment, but he sure as hell isn't looking out for you. You've just skipped the middleman and elected the money.
It makes me sad when people do this. I know a lot of Sanders voters who voted for Trump. Dismissing their concerns and making rude accusations will only make the divide larger.
If you genuinely want to promote your cause and prevent another term of Trump, this is the wrong way to go about it. You'll only push them further away by being cruel and refusing to hear them out.
> that's what happens on a site that supports truly open forums of discussion.
Lmao. r/the_donald never allowed open discussion. Anything anti-Trump = banned. Before you respond with "that's what /r/AskTrumpSupporters is for, did you even read the rules of r/the_donald?". Imagine the whining if all r/the_donald posters were banned from every popular subreddit because they added a rule "no r/the_donald posters".
And literally the only reason TD was created was because politics wouldn't allow open discussion in the first place. Your position is so absurdly disingenuous.
>Dude we have always been here
It's not like thedonald created us
Yes, we remember coontown.
[Your fellow pedes are waiting for you over at Voat.](https://voat.co/v/ThePedes/1872703)
Or, you know...I can just look at a guy who ran a racist campaign, who's surrounded himself with white nationalists and neo-nazis, and whose supporters rail against N____s, jews, and fags.
And then I can draw my own conclusions based on that evidence.
Go join the rest of your nazi buddies at voat. We don't want you here.
Unfortunately you have fallen victim to propaganda. Wikileaks emails show they intended to portray him as a racist before the campaign even started rolling. I have yet to see anyone produce evidence of racism on his part. Searching for it pulls up a ton of opinions, but zero evidence. Instead of going to voat, I'll stay here with my Jamaican immigrant fiancee and try to educate people on the truth. Actually, I would rather show people that what they have been told is a lie and let them figure it out on their own.
Trump is well known for appointing women and minorities to high places within his many successful businesses, and Kellyanne Conway is the first woman to successfully manage a presidential campaign.
"Sexist".
Coontown was an openly racist subreddit. People who have never been on t_d like to compare it to coontown because literally the only argument they have is that T_d is hate speech. They can't even support that with posts,but they hear it like crazy on their far left subs.
Implying coontown was anything like T_d. The people who complain about hate speech have never even visited the fucking sub. I still have yet for someone to show me an example of hate speech being up voted en masse.
Because this exact strategy worked so well for fatpeoplehate
Seriously, they threw a fit, they screamed censorship, slammed r/all for probably a week straight, saw the admins wouldn't budge and left for voat
History is repeating it's self, just this time without Ellen pao and the subsequent pictures of her as a Nazi, though I'm sure that will come with spez eventually
What is happening here isn't revolutionary, it's not even unique.
T_d mods are trying to cause a shitstorm, they want their members to go ballistic and spam reddit, they hope it will get the admins attention and cause them to change their mind, but they've shown again and again that they do not budge on big decisions like this
This is a different situation than FPH. FPH was a niche subreddit that hardly anyone knew or cared about outside of Reddit.
Banning a subreddit for the President of the United States will get plenty of press and it *will* come across as Reddit playing politics. That's not good for business. FPH could be justified as banning a bunch of assholes. Whether or not you like Trump doesn't matter, this touches on politics and someone every American knows.
Further, The_Donald is considerably larger than FPH. If the shitstorm comes, it will be ugly. It doesn't have to be revolutionary or unique to be effective.
The_Donald is one of the largest subs. It will be ugly, but what other choice is there? From what I understand, all of the other political subs followed the rules and this isn't the first time The_D has pissed off the admins in one way or another. Tons of reports of brigading, harassment, bots, and other stuff.
I do think the strategy is very likely to work, but a shitstorm could be coming. This is also pretty unique because it's so decisive. FPH wasn't as well known before going down and *everyone* seemed to agreed Pao was awful. But this has been going on for the better part of a year. Almost everyone on Reddit has *some* strong opinion about this. Either The_D, ETP, or banning them from their front page.
I think this has the potential to be up there with /r/jailbait, if not the biggest. Only time will tell though.
You know what's not good for business? Letting your site become known as a haven for the loudest, angriest, hateful, worst among us.
You can talk about Trump all you want. You just can't go out of your way to be annoying and spiteful and flaunt the rules at every opportunity. If you can't talk about Trump without devolving into the worst memes, thinly veiled hate speech, and fringe conspiracies, that's your problem right there.
Lol, leftists think they get to define anyone and anything against them as "hate" and dismiss it. Not a ducking argument.
Why are you spreading anti Trump hate? Please stop your hate speech. No room for hate on reddit.
Last post I saw on T_d was the stupid call to leave that got made fun of. One of the top comments on it was "im not going to leave, but I agree...." Like every boycott, most people can't help themselves partaking still. The core hate generators will leave, maybe, and the vast majority will probably stay and integrate back into not being cunts.
It absolutely has been. I've seen less TD posts in the last few months then ever before because of the new rules to stop one subreddit from dominating the front page.
Right because they're the only subreddit that bans dissenters. You realize such an idiotic comment proves that you're not actually a regular of this subreddit and are just here from the r/politics brigade?
https://i.redd.it/c7a4l090c1hy.png
https://www.reddit.com/r/RedditCensors/comments/6a6igz/rworldnews_muslim_posts_a_list_of_positive_quotes/
If you read his one sentence post carefully, he wasn't implying the opposite. He just said that without careful removal of dissenting opinions you won't be saying many upvotes for pro-trump comments
dude have you actually been there most of their comments are downvoted in every post. it's a running gag on the subreddit; they're brigaded 24/7 yet they have to follow strict rules lmao
Nice, leaving a leading question with nothing behind it. You can post pro trump comments in r/politics without getting banned. You could not even ask for a source from the turd without getting banned. I know because I was literally band for commenting "source?"
Really. This is how life was pre Internet.
People all live together.
People get all stupid and segregate.
Authority figures recognize: that's not really good as a whole for society. Don't do that.
People either get the fuck over it or get ostracized.
Majority of people shut the fuck up and move on. Small minority remain vocally ignorant of the progress of society, become outcasts.
This is hilariously similar to Brown v. Board of Education to me.
"The Donald won't let it's voice be drowned out by trolls and shills, fucking facists. Let us overrun your sub or you're literally Hitler, even though we have much bigger circlejerks that are equally biased. Ignore those."
Fuck off, hoser.
Trump supporters are the extreme minority. They just censor and manipulate their sub to only be pro-trump.
Trump royally fucks up - the next week is all "Hillary!!!!!!!".
>Careful what you wish for Reddit, you are about to get a ton of Trump supporters in other communities and they won't be as easy to manage as they were in one place.
... for about a week. Then they all get really angry because people are disagreeing with them and the mods don't immediately ban anyone who speaks out. Then they all just leave and never come back.
I don't know, people said that about banning FPH too, but it wasn't true. Fat hate posts used to regularly make the front page, and now they're practically not seen at all. The ban didn't simply spread FPH-style content and activity to Reddit at large, as critics speculated; it suppressed it quite effectively.
lol except they don't do shit to mods or entire subs or even the CEO when they break rules. they get highfived... as long as you love Muslims and are a liberal retard.
waterboarding is not torture. It does not harm the body physically or mentally after it is completed therefore it is not torture, since torture is when the body experiences prolonged pain (mental or physical) after the completion of the tortue. like cutting off of limbs
Have you been water boarded? How do you know you don't experience mental anguish? Those tough right wing newscaster I've seen waterboarded sure make it seem mentally taxing. Regardless Trump still says he wants to bring back worse than waterboarding.
> How do you know you don't experience mental anguish?
because military personal have stated this, that you may feel pain DURING the activity and mentally feel like you are drowning, and physcially suffer. but after words, you dont have prolonged mental or physical pain, unless the operation is done by some idiot at home and actually gets water in your lungs.
>Regardless Trump still says he wants to bring back worse than waterboarding.
once again this means nothing until we know what it is. taking the premise that waterboarding isn't torture what is worse than that? well it can be something worse but still not torture
> in some dirty ass room in Guantanamo
in order to make your statement true you even had to add this in to help your case. take away your conditions. your dirty cold room in guantamo, being locked up, cold temps. being captured would cause PTSD, does that mean we cant capture people else it would be torture? you are using the idea of containment as proof that the activity of waterboarding is torture
>in order to make your statement true you even had to add this in to help your case. take away your conditions. your dirty cold room in guantamo, being locked up, cold temps. being captured would cause PTSD
so you are saying that being waterboarding in a normal room causes ptsd? how? it hurts during it but afterwords you are completely fine. think of surgery or getting a tooth pulled. it hurts bad during it. the dentist is smashing your face in, you smell the smoke of the tools burning. vibrations. you are in pain. but afterwards, you are all okay. does that cause PTSD? no, because once it is over, there is no prolonged pain. same with waterboarding. after it is over youre completely healthy and it is just fine.
moreover, in legal code "Suffering" only occurs for "a protracted period of time", and the duration of waterboarding is not "protracted" enough" and in addition, "Military SERE trainees do not experience "negative long-term mental health consequences" during training by fellow military. Therefore real prisoners in real interrogations can't be expected to experience long-term mental health consequences either."
All these definitions for torture are US ones correct? Your saying each individual session isn't protracted enough correct? Is it a one and done thing? I've almost drowned twice in my life and it was unpleasant but It wasn't the worst thing I could imagine. If I had to experience people bringing me to the brink of drowning multiple times a session for multiple sessions over the course of a few weeks, then yeah I think It would cause ptsd.
Right well the rest of the civilized world views our actions as torture. We should hold our country to higher standards than a bunch of 8th century savages.
>Right well the rest of the civilized world views our actions as torture
That's horrible reasoning. If all your friends jump.off.a.bridge do you? If the rest of the world has slavery should we?
Yeah your reasoning is insane. We should hold America to a higher standard than the rest of the world. Your advocating something civilized society has deemed taboo, you're an extremist.
No, my argument is that it isn't torture and I gave you
a consice explanation. Now, instead.of refuting you just call me an extremist because you disagree with me
You are arguing for torture, rest of the world thinks that this act of causing pain to gain information constitutes torture. Even by our definition repeatedly waterboarding someone is torture. Yet you are supporting even harsher measures be taken.
>rest of the world thinks that this act of causing pain to gain information constitutes torture.
Once again see this comment
https://www.reddit.com/r/redditcensors/comments/6c7t1b/_/dhsy0vi
> Even by our definition repeatedly waterboarding someone is torture. Yet you are supporting even harsher measures be taken.
Regardless you cant use if all your friends jump off a bridge to advocate torture. Then go around and say no but if everyone said slavery was okay would you do that? No if everyone said slavery was okay I wouldn't advocate it in the US.
No I apparently have the humanity and critical thinking skills to be able to understand the difference between the rest of the world saying this act is a human rights violation and the rest of the world saying owning another human is okay.
Its flawed logic. Its not am argument. And pointing out the difference between the two proves that its not an argument.but an opinion. Much like how you say "I apparently have the humanity and critical thinking"
The rest of the world does ______ thus US should do ______
> that its not an argument.but an opinion. I told you why I dont believe it is.tortue
The rest of the world thinks it is. Repeatedly drowning someone over weeks is going to cause long term mental health issues. You think we should use harsher methods than drowning to extract information over the course of weeks, you're advocating our country resort to the International definition of torture.
>The rest of the world thinks it is
You can't keep going back to this point. Without any explanation saying _____ says so, is not valid!
> Repeatedly drowning
Its not drowning. The sensation is similar. But to say we are drowning people is exaggerating the activity
>Repeatedly inducing the sensation of drowning someone over weeks is going to cause long term mental health issues. You think we should use harsher methods than inducing the sensation of drowning to extract information over the course of weeks, you're advocating our country resort to the International definition of torture.
In cages yeah that's fucking inhumane. In a small relatively clean concrete room with a canvas cot seams fucking reasonable for the beacon of liberty that the United states is supposed to be.
Based on what your saying that was the US's definition of torture
> since torture is when the body experiences prolonged pain (mental or physical) after the completion of the tortue.
And yeah inhumane prison systems should fall under that definition.
The problem is what you say is "mental problems" is different than me. Yours is so light weighted that even US prisons are considered torture. I hope this shows you what I'm talking about when I say youre mistaking mental pain and suffering with basic discomfort
South American prisons and ones like that sure. Most US ones aren't. And the mental problems from Us prison and weeks of waterboarding are going to be incomparable.
I don't take issue with holding prisoners of war in confinement I have issues with causing them pain as a means to extract information.
Not talking about SA. about US. many people come out of with mental discomfort. They've been locked up for years. Its natural.
>waterboarding are going to be incomparable.
How so? Of course waterboarding is more intense. But what warrants the subject to have prolonged mental suffering even well after they are done with the procedure ?
Cops get tazzed, pepper sprayed. Hurts like hell but once over they are fine. Much like waterboarding.
attendees of SERE camp in navy seals must be waterboarded to undergo the stress of interrogation if captured. This means many of our own troops are "tortured" according to you
>No, my argument is that it isn't torture and I gave you a consice explanation. Now, instead.of refuting you just call me an extremist because you disagree with me
Your explanation was basically, "because I don't believe sources outside the military".
Or rather, "certain specific guidelines", because you don't believe marine crops generals or people who have experienced it apperantly.
>'I've always found, give me a pack of cigarettes and a couple of beers and I do better with that than I do with torture.'
-Ret. Marine Corps Gen. James Mattis
http://edition.cnn.com/2016/11/23/politics/waterboarding-trump-mattis/
> "I wanted to prove it wasn't torture," Mancow said. "They cut off our heads, we put water on their face... I got voted to do this but I really thought 'I'm going to laugh this off.' "
With video:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/05/22/mancow-waterboarded-video_n_206906.html
Christopher Hitchens, belived and argued like you, until he tried it:
http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2008/08/hitchens200808
The best part about all of this, it doesn't really work anyway(like most torture, it just results in people telling them want they think they want to hear).
>The CIA's use of its enhanced interrogation techniques was not an effective means of
acquiring intelligence or gaining cooperation from detainees.
https://info.publicintelligence.net/Senate-CIA-TortureReport.pdf
Waterboarding is not torture? Listen to what the actual fuck you're saying. Holy shit the level of double think employed by Trump supporters to justify the things Trump says is unbeliveable.
Waterboarding is not torture? Listen to what the actual fuck you're saying. Holy shit the level of double think employed by Trump supporters to justify the things Trump says is unbeliveable.
Can you just do yourself a favour, and instead of just making up random facts to suit your agenda as you go along, spend all of two minutes slreading about the permanant damage waterboarding can cause. Youre on the internet, you have no excuse whatsoever for this level if ignorance.
>Can you just do yourself a favour, and instead of just making up random facts .Youre on the internet, you have no excuse whatsoever for this level if ignorance.
Gotta be one of.the most pretentious and patronizing replies. Read the rest of the comments "you have no excuse whatsoever for this level if ignorance."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUkj9pjx3H0
>torture is when the body experiences prolonged pain (mental or physical) after the completion of the tortue
Where do you get that part from? Going by [the definition of torture by Merriam-Webster] (https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/torture), torture means:
>1. the infliction of intense pain (as from burning, crushing, or wounding) to punish, coerce, or afford sadistic pleasure
>2. something that causes agony or pain / anguish of body or mind
>3. distortion or overrefinement of a meaning or an argument
Similarly: [dictionary.com](http://www.dictionary.com/browse/torture), [Cambridge Dictionary](http://dictionary.cambridge.org/de/worterbuch/englisch/torture), [UN definition](http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1505073/How-the-law-and-UN-define-torture.html), and more.
# Also: [U.S. Code of Laws §2340](https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2340):
>(1) “torture” means an act committed by a person acting under the color of law specifically intended to inflict severe physical or mental pain or suffering (other than pain or suffering incidental to lawful sanctions) upon another person within his custody or physical control;
Nowhere does it say anything about the prolonged part.
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Cops get tazzed, pepper sprayed. Hurts like hell but once over they are fine. Much like waterboarding.
attendees of SERE camp in navy seals must be waterboarded to undergo the stress of interrogation if captured. This means many of our own troops are "tortured" according to you
First of all, I would like to know your answer as to where you got the prolonged part from.
Other than that:
> they are fine
Do you really think that feeling close to actually drowning **repeatedly** does not cause mental agony?
And my answer to your question: Yes, they are. They need to be trained to survive in real live combat, which could, unfortunately, also contain torture once captured.
The thing is, SERE camp and the real world are very different. In SERE camp, the attendees always know that this isn't real, it's just training. It's the psychological difference between real fear and fake induced tension. In SERE camp, you have orders. Beforehand, you get your documents that tell you when you are flying in and after how many days exactly you are flying home. **You aren't actually being held by people you believe hate you and are never ever going to let you leave or see the light of day again.** That's an enormous psychological advantage.
But what should he do, then?
I mean, in his weekly address Donald Trump explicitly said the saudis were showing more interest in irradicating extremism and terrorism. That's why he went.
Would you prefer him to absolutely ignore attempts of redemption and tolerance so you could have more leverage with your agenda?
What exactly do you want? To be right or for the right things to be made?
Because that is what has been driving Donald Trump since way back before even considering politics: a high sense of Beauty and morals. For example, stating in twitter way back that the high level pedophiles would pay for it one day.
>Because that is what has been driving Donald Trump since way back before even considering politics: a high sense of Beauty and morals.
You gave me a good laugh mate.
Sense of morals don't mean you're forced to always be super polite, mince your words, bow down to everyone and preach about change and peace. *coughbama* Trump has never gone beyond the restrictions of good morals. That doesn't mean he can't say what he thinks even if it might offend a few snowflakes. There's a reason he got so many votes. People are tired of this force fed liberal BS and the *real* change, not the hollow promises that Barry preached while bombing hospitals.
Wow I can't believe I met someone who doesn't understand the word moral
People who call for the public lynching of 5 innocent boys don't have good morals.
People who don't pay their contractors don't have good morals
People who commit sexual assault don't have good morals
That's true. There is no proof of Trump calling for lynching or committing sexual assault on anyone.
inb4 grabbing by the pussy talk. You must be quite a betamale if nobody even in your hearing range has never said that *in jest*.
Aww thats cute you never learned that context matters in the English language. For example Just kiss. I don’t even wait. And when you’ve got a knife, they let you do it. You can do anything.”
“Grab them by the pussy. You can do anything.”
And yes he did call for the death of five innocent boys without a trial.
> context matters in the English language.
And the context was that he shit-talked with his friends in private without knowing that it was being aired. People who recorded that knew about it for a very long time, but once Trump decided to run for president it was suddenly uncovered and made into a scandal.
Me and my friends say all sorts of horrible shit that would make me sound like a sexist antisemite racist human trash if taken out of context and then put on television. That's called "dark humor". Look it up. People have made jokes like that since the dawn of time in their own circles and privacy. But I guess your skin is too thin to handle jokes.
I'd also like to see some sources of the calls for execution. From centrist non-biased news sources. Not Buzzfeed where you seem to get your daily news and moral codes.
Thats the thing you probably are racist trash if you're constantly making racist jokes. https://static01.nyt.com/images/2015/07/30/nyregion/NYTRUMPweb2/NYTRUMPweb2-blog427.jpg
Being racist and making racist jokes are two completely different things. I got nothing against races. I make white trash jokes just as much. Often very self-deprecating jokes because I know how to laugh at myself.
Cool picture. It's almost as if I could read some of that. Of course you didn't want me to actually read it because after a bunch of Googling it looks like that article is from *1989*, and it's about bringing back harsher sentences and death penalty to violent offenders. I agree completely with that. You hurt someone, you will be hurt. You kill someone, you risk being given the death sentence.
"I want to hate these muggers and murderers. They should be forced to suffer and, when they kill, they should be executed for their crimes. They must serve as examples so that others will think long and hard before committing a crime or an act of violence."
Isn't that only logical? Or should we just slap their wrists and tell them to stop being so *offensive and murderous*?
Also there was not a single word about the five innocents Trump so wanted to *murder*.
Please grasp me more of them straws.
Really go fucking do some of your own research on the central park five instead of making others do it for you. You make jokes with your friends about sexually assualting women? How many random women came forward saying he did what he's on record saying he's done?
You make accusations, you provide the sources.
Wikipedia says that 15 women came forward accusing him of sexual misconduct. Which one will you belive? A group of random women suddenly accusing him of groping when he's running for president against the most powerful people in the world? Or a man who shit-talks behind the curtains with his friend like a normal person, and actually wants to make America a better place?
I told you what to fucking look up. Why should I waste my time on self proclaimed white trash whose gullible enough to still think Trump ran to make America a better place and not enrich himself. I'm assuming you live in a rural red state I'm sure you'll be happy when unfettered industry destroys your states natural beauty.
You assume incorrectly. I live in Finland, which is a democratic and rather left-leaning country. But in this country people have thick skins and don't scream about *muh feelings* every time someone says a bad word. I can pretty safely assume that you're from America because the instant you don't have anything substantial to say, you resort to namecalling.
You also didn't tell me what to google. You posted some shitty thumbnail and expected me to take it as it was.
I know this shitflinging competition is getting pretty boring, but I'd really like to see some proof how Trump is "enriching himself" with his presidency. It has literally painted him as the worst human being in the world for zero proper reasons. It's doing damage to him and his family's reputation that can never be fixed, but he's still marching forward like a winner because he knows his cause is just and worth sacrificing himself for.
It must be hard being part potato
>Really go fucking do some of your own research on the central park five instead of making others do it for you
Whats with you retards insisting on having a conversation with some strawman? I cant stand the collage whiners who cry about cultural appropriation and white guilt and shit like that, I was a member of the_donald and considering voting for trump up till he chose Pence as his VP. His proposed tax cuts will directly benefit him, his strong arming foreign governments into pushing through his construction projects are another.
I'm a wealthy New Yorker I think I have more insight into Trump being a shitty person than some fucking fin.
I don't either. Stop gatekeeping and projecting, at least try to come with the truth via facts.
1 Spez is liberal.
2 T_d was just a sub.
3 Donald Trump is ♨
4 Sub gains a lot of traction
5 Spez does not like (see 1)
6 Spez attacks t_d in multiple ways (changing comments included, filtering from all)
7 the mods, rightfully, do not take it 😚
Or you know, everyone else handles their business with the admins like fucking adults so you don't see how the admins are handling other issues. But naw, they're clearly out to get you...
Except when it goes against YOUR opinions. Then YOU get your panties up in a bunch and raise your pitchfork. Those people with different opinions? Reddit can do whatever they want to them lol they're a private company lmao.
Neck yourself asap.
It would certainly suck if it were opinions I agreed with, but I'm grown up enough to understand they not everyone agrees with me, and that private companies can do what they want when it comes to things like this.
Can and should are different.
If Walmart posts signs saying "Trump supporters use the back entrance," then there would be backlash.
Everyone is fine with companies attacking groups of people as long as they're not part of that group.
There have been instances of businesses refusing to cater to Trump supporters and non-Trump supporters. It's not illegal, but you can show your displeasure by not frequenting those businesses. How is this any different?
I'm not saying that it's illegal by any means, but it does set a bad precedent. If the reddit community allows the admins to censor view points with impunity then as soon as management changes they may come for yours.
But they're not censoring viewpoints. The viewpoints of TD were crammed down the throats of All leading up to the elections, with no repercussions. That's because they weren't being censored. They're being made to follow rules that, yes, were put in place because of them. They were brigading other subs by linking to them, and Reddit made a rule against that. If they weren't being such gigantic dicks about everything, that rule wouldn't need to have been made. And the other subs that they enforced that rule on, actually followed it.
There's no unity at all between Trump fans and haters, so they won't band together to fight legal corporate censorship. Part of this is also because Trump himself has not indicated much respect for free speech, nor does r/t_d 's rules provide a free speech environment. And so each side will stand by and laugh at the other side's misery.
this is true, there's nothing illegal about it. But it reduces the quality of the experience here IMO.
BTW, I don't even like Trump and I didn't vote for him. But what is the point of having a website devoted to everyone from one side enthusiastically agreeing with each other?
Everyone knows the main problem with reddit is that the voting system creates a hivemind mentality. The only check against this is to go to different subreddits with varying points of view. By banning the ones you disagree with you just took the circlejerk to a whole new level.
That whole rationale is flawed because A) TD wasn't banned, they went private under protest. And B) they weren't being singled out because they disagreed with anything, they were singled out because they broke countless rules time and again.
It's pretty obvious that there is a liberal bias and rules are being selectively enforced.
Anyway who cares. Reddit can become an echo chamber. It already mostly is. I'll keep coming here for the stuff I like and get my news other places.
Reddit rules and how they are enforced are completely arbitrary. For instance, making 10 different anti-trump subreddits to dodge the alghorithms on /r/all and make 50% of the posts there anti-trump was allowed by the mods; the same would not be allowed the other way around.
Trump supporters are still here though.. 3 routes that I see this potentially going.
1. The donald comes back and they are all pissed at the admins
2. They make a new donald, and see if the old rules will be imposed on the new subreddit
3. They go the route of the anti-trump people, and have like 50 subs that all have the same userbase
1. Reddit shouldn't fear a community of mostly bots
2. Avoiding a Reddit ban will only get them banned again.
3. They already have. This subreddit is one of them. Check the overlap in subreddits of the moderators of this subreddit and you will find their names.
This could potentially go down like the fatpeoplehate. Users make dozens of new subs and one by one all will be banned. Users then start turning default subs in to shit and get banned. Be mentally prepared that reddit will be crap for next 2 weeks.
I can totally say I have never seen a debate on T_D because the opposite opinion wasn't allowed. The only reason you had a good discussion is because no one challenged you.
Seriously, I can find common ground with most people, when I want to. I've been involved with both parties. Most of the issues aren't where the differences lie, they're with the tribalism. If you can talk issues, civil discourse is normally pretty easy.
It's funny though, those people don't just go away or change their opinions, rather they'll be decentralized and you'll see opinions you disagree with (oh no!) everywhere
This is why I'm in favor of deleting the sub all together. TD has a banned user list that's tens of thousands long. If you force these people to try shitposting, trolling, and being honestly fucking stupid in more subs then more people will be able to challenge their insane bullshit
The problem isn't what they are doing to The_Donald. The problem, in my eyes at least, is their selective enforcement of the rules. I couldn't give two shits about whether or not T_D is targeted by the admins. That's what happens when you poke the bear. But there are a lot of subreddits that are doing the same thing as T_D, or at least the reasons the admins have given for punishing that sub, and they haven't been reprimanded at all.
I just want consistency.
I haven't been on Reddit for very long. I've seen talk of unequal rule enforcement, but I haven't seen other subs flagrantly violating rules like TD. Is it that bad?
I stick to a handful of my own subscriptions and whatever hits all.
Oooorrrrr, you could be vastly underestimating the natural animosity Trump and T_D generates.
Somehow, I don't think myself and everyone I know are being paid to loathe him.
T_d's stickies are blocked from reaching the front page and T_d can't even mention other subs in the title, but there are posts from MarchAgainst and r/esist on the front page all of the fucking time with screens hots of T_D.
It's all great until this precedent is allowed to stand and the admins come for your point of view or beliefs.
T_D's stickies are blocked because they were using vote manipulation to get to the front page and mucking it up.
And before you say "But other subs do all the stuff T_D does!" THAT DOESN'T MAKE IT OKAY.
That's bullshit though. Stickies will always be upvoted, just because you don't like a community doesn't mean that you should demean the right of users to vote.
And other subs don't only do that, but openly votebot and vote manipulate on other communities.
They punished t_d for something that is an intended mechanic of the site while allowing vote botting.
What I'm saying is that their being stickied WAS the vote manipulation. Mods were stickying their own posts as karma bait, then users would get them to the front page.
It wasn't stickied by the community, it was stickied by the mods. They would put stickies on posts that weren't even remotely worthy of a sticky to increase its visibility. It's not against the *rules,* but it is scummy and it was mucking up the front page unfairly.
So if that's the case, you think they should treat the anti-trump subs the same? Because if not it sounds like you just want to shut down a point of view.
Just let them jerk off together in their sub, they seem pretty contained. One sub full of crap, not 50 of them all over the place. Those subs started because they were "sick of seeing trump so much" and now /all is pretty much 45% trump
1-already done.
2-"if we leave reddit we lose" mentality.
3-"we're not them. They will not divide us"
T_D has had to play by different rules than other subs, ETS and the like had stickied posts admitting to discord and bots mass disliking TD, mandatory anti-trump r-all placement, zeroed out/reset posts that make front page, back and forth doxxing between TD vs ETS, pol, HC, WN, etc.not banned.
I am aware of a lot of rules broken on TD, but still though at least everything is contained, fucking earthporn was ETS for a while in november. Uncensorednews is more my alley instead of TD at this point, a lot of back and forthing is getting childish.
No, that's not how it works.
In case you haven't noticed, a lot of subreddits have been taken over by far-right "woke" nationalists, who are most of the time pro-Trump, pro-fascism, pro-Le Pen and so on. They pretend that reddit is manipulating stuff with their "liberal cuck agenda" when actually they either break reddit rules and get punished by admins or they get downvoted by average users who don't appreciate their hateful shit. So under the pretext of "stifled free speech" you get all these little conspiracy and censorship subreddits that **somehow** always end up promoting far-right agendas. And if you need any proof of that, always look at the kind of moderators those communities have. This subreddit for example has three moderators that are members of many far-right communities.
So kind of like how worldnews, news, and politics are one and the same and spam the same anti-Trump independent.co.uk articles?
Or how there's dozens of anti-Trump subs that spam /r/all and become very visible without any meaningful subscriber count?
I agree that The Independent has gone to clickbaity shit, and /r/politics is a big circlejerk, but /r/worldnews and /r/news don't have anti-Trump articles. If Trump and his Administration say stupid things or do stupid and potentially unconstitutional things, it's not "anti-Trump" to report facts.
And yes, there are many anti-trump subreddits, but few of them are disingenuous. Subreddits like /r/esist or /r/EnoughTrumpSpam say they're against Trump and his administration and post things that relate to that subject, more often than not from reputable news sources such as WaPo, NYT, BBC, The Guardian and so on. That wasn't my point though, what I said was there are subreddits that pretend to be against "censorship" but somehow keep promoting far-right and nationalist agendas. Look at /r/uncensorednews/, which is moderated by several... well, fascists. It's full of Daily Mail, Breitbart, Fox News and other unreliable news websites... I'm not saying all of the stuff there is far right bullshit, but the bias is obvious. If you check out /r/all you'll see many other subreddits like this. Even bollocks subreddits like /r/conspiracy got taken over by Trump fans and turned from posting UFO theories to posting 4chan screenshots and unverified "official documents" that support Trump and the mad theories some of his fans keep promoting (Clinton body counts, pizzagate and so on).
I think your number 2 is way off. They will likely go the route of the anti-Donald subs. 4-5 main subs with varied styles and methods. Dozens of tiny pro-TD subs. All with different levels of cooperation with admin rules. Some will be spam, others conspiracy, other focused on talking about headlines and political arguments, memes and jokes, etc.
It seems to be the most effective way under the new reddit algorithm and culture. One subreddit just can't dominate. I'm not saying this is what they will do but if they do go into the new sub route, this is the likely result.
Yea, the fact that vote manipulation has pushed all those anti Trump subReddits to the front page and were allowed to stay there shows the Admin's are pushing their own agenda.
I remember washing as the same moderators for most of them had less than 500 subs and were getting to the front page to attract more hate mongers.
What makes you think this is a public platform for free speech and not a private website that potentially could face legal ramifications for harboring trolls that encourage harassment and doxing?
Hahaha just because I wasn't a trumpcuck for every post, doesn't mean I couldn't see what was goin on there.
It's not like y'all were hidden and secret from the public. Like now.
This crap again? Weak, weak weak.
No, T_D did not doxx. They actively discouraged it with extreme prejudice.
T_D mods and posters were *actually* doxxed by other groups and subs though, which the admins consistently ignored.
When called out on such blatant hypocrisy, admins suspended the mods calling them out on their shit.
TD never did tho.... But they were constantly doxxed and brigaded by bots and other subreddits. They never attacked or promoted hate on others. Pathetic Reddit
I'm more than happy to see evidence and proof of me being wrong. But no one ever seems to fucking have any. It's just you guys saying sick and twisted with a narrative. But the difference is I have seen data that support my claims. That's why I believe what I believe. The data proves it. Until someone shows me something else, it's all I can believe
> what you said is lacking some real serious Truthfulness and reality.
Here you are only speaking about yourself.
T_D complied fully with an incresingly set of special rules, as well as site-wide ones,
while at the same time, admins blatantly allowed attacks against them from other subs and groups, including doxxing of T_D mods and posters.
This is the reality of the situation. When the admins were called out on such blatant hypocrisy, they suspended the T_D mods that outed them.
Reddit didn't do that, but go ahead and assume it did... Because that's what you thought and projected.
It's not like a year ago Reddit banned plenty of other hate subs... If you thought Reddit was a bastion of free speech then you've been mistaken.
They stopped a year ago. But the words "free speech platform" still appeared at the too of the rules list at one point, for the vast majority of the time reddit has been up
So... You're telling me one sentence on a sidebar convinced you that "anything goes," even though you literally watched all the hate subs get banned. That's like reading "the front page of the Internet," and taking that literally.
Rules list of the site. The one that was linked to by the link below every comment box on the site.
And no, I didn't. Reddit is just an addictive shit hole with lying admins.
Edit: apparently I can't type
> The_donald has the lying mods.
Reddit has the admins that you don't like.
[citation needed]
You people can repeat this bullshit as much as you want (with zero facts behind it)
Anyone that has been paying attention knows you're full of shit.
Repeating publicly available info is in no way doxxing.
As opposed to the actual doxxing that has been aimed at T_D mods and users by other sub and groups.
(With full admin complacency mind you.)
The_donald had a stickied post at the top that labeled themselves the last bastion of free speech and they probably ban more people than any other subreddit.
No one is saying Reddit *can't* censor people, they're saying they're partisan hypocrites for doing it and who they do it to. If they were really concerned about legal consequences, they wouldn't limit their enforcement to subs of a specific political bent and ignore others doing exactly the same thing. I don't post in T_D and didn't vote for Trump so I don't have a horse in this race, but it's transparent that the admins are incredibly selective and uneven in how they enforce their policies.
When you're a non partisan, you can see both sides and the damage done by people like the_dipshits and the left SJWs, but acting like the_donald didn't commit rule breaking because every single subreddit wasn't scrutinized for rule breaking or monitored as heavily as the_donald was, is flawed thinking because the_donald IS VERY POPULAR. While some subreddits that were actively promoting hate or rule breaking weren't "cracked down on" like The_donald has been at times... * they weren't as popular by a far margin* and Reddit's admins have tried to clean up "rule breaking" and things that would leave Reddit in a potential legal situation like displaying personal information... Hence the removal of subreddits like FPH. While behavior like this used to be more common on the_donald, it has since slowed down... Although not complete stopped, which is why plenty of people have pushed for the removal of the subreddit. In return, instead of removing the very popular subreddit, that draws plenty of attention to the site, it seems like Reddit has decided to do some moderations... Like what we've seen.
My point is there is extreme potential for a popular subreddit like that, and although most people there do engaging in some trolling, I don't expect many to follow through with threats, but with it being so popular Reddit hopes the example set by the moderation team isn't something that incites something that could effect Reddit in either a legal way or to the detriment of Reddit's value/popularity.
For example, let's say some crazy person decided to do something against liberals like hold up a pizza joint with a rifle because he had been reading "over and over again" on Reddit that this place was a chomo hub. Well, Reddit could be liable.
It's both damage done in a legal ramifications type-of-way, but also it was tolerant of the narrative that led that. Another example, let's say a doctor's name was brought up and his phone number put on display... Then someone started threatening him. Well... He could make a good case against Reddit.
Anyways, if you wanted to see a real reason for Reddit to delete a comment. ☝🏻️☝🏻☝🏻
Edit: ~~just got banned from this sub, comment about to be removed.~~
Also, to the people that are like *youre a partisan shill.*
Even if that were true, which it's not... That still doesn't make my points wrong.
I can be non partisan and also call tump troll douchebags online, it's like you don't understand that trump supporters are literally the world's biggest band of conspiracy theorists and trolls pushing narratives. But hey, I'm sure that doesn't go straight over your head... But even if I was a hillaryLover... I'm not, never was.... IM A non voting non partisan and a skeptical critic. That's always been my POV and MO. IMO every president/candidate is deserving of their own fair share of criticism. Hilary, Bernie, Obama, by Bill Clinton and Bush all needed to be scrutinized and all future candidates do too.
My thoughts about Russia are that none of us really know, but it is understandable why both sides feel the way they do and I can understand that and explain it in the real world. But actin like a band triggered trump trolls aren't getting in the way of my life isn't quite true to reality.
If I like Starbucks, trump trolls call you names.
If you get on reddit, trump trolls spam the front page.
If you're Native American and you're getting a pipeline in your backyard, you'll be called a "pussy. "
Liberated cuck snowflake.
I'd rather know I'm going to be critical of everyone rather than loyal to any one of these LIARS. And you sir, are looking for a confirmation bias to confirm trump's greatness/innocence instead of waiting to know the facts. Kinda like Tell me the truth, but only if it's some I like.
> Trump has a 38% approval rating.
Did you get that from the same poll people who said Hillary would when? You know... all of MSM.
Look no one cares about this out of date and incorrect information you're trying to spew. It's over. Let go.
TLDR
I assume it's some "I'm an angry loser" shit as usual.
There's no rule that says you gotta keep talking to me either. If you want me to ignore you just let me know and I will.
Just google "SRS doxxing" and you'll find compilation threads of all the doxxing they have done. Also remember that doxxing is not technically illegal, it's just a disgusting tactic to use against people who say things you don't like
Yeah, I was just referring to the "legal consequences" you mentioned.
What's your definition of doxxing? That word is used so often that I can't tell anymore. Is it just posting personal contact info with the intent to harass someone?
Yeah I believe it's releasing info that is not publicly available. So for instance, posting the number of a politicians office is fair game. Post the work number of a user you disagree with is doxxing. It's really a way to silence someone, in a very authoritarian way
SRS is a fucking flea bite these days. They've been getting away with breaking rules for years but at this point who really cares? They're insignificant.
NOTE: This user was banned for other posts being extremely disruptive and not contributing to the subreddit with an obvious attempt to troll this subreddit.
You can find the comments related archived right here.
https://archive.is/VKbsj
https://archive.is/gT8Kx
Legal ramifications are the least of Reddits concerns.
Advertising ramifications are the top of their concerns. And surprise, platforms like Voat don't seem to get a ton of companies going: here's money, continue with your hate speech and general asshole behavior
Are you kidding me? That sub is full of racism and xenophobia. I've literally seen a post calling for genocide, and it was widely upvoted! On that post there were a few sane people saying hey maybe we should calm down, but it made it to their front page. It's just a lite version of /r/alt-right or whatever it was called.
I think they should be allowed to exist, as long as the mods enforce the site-wide rules.
And yeah I know this is an unpopular opinion with all the trump supporters scattered to the winds right now, but just because they shouldn't have banned the sub doesn't mean we can suddenly lie to ourselves about the nature of that subreddit. They are fascists.
Are you kidding me isn't an argument. I browse that subreddit daily and have never seen any racism or calls for genocide, oh yeh wanting people to immigrate legally isn't xenophobic is the law and illegal immigration fucks over legal immigrants who work their pants off doing the process legitimately not cheating the system and thinking it's ok.
Why are you lying to yourself?
https://i.redd.it/u7cr1vb3jalx.png
https://i.redditmedia.com/Fp81LE6msi4Zio2EUkwNPjxp2X8H60eW2ePMNYlXMaE.png?w=1024&s=7f00cd1c4d6288d2ba8964a01af1e83c
https://archive.is/8nK4Y
http://i.imgur.com/wnEf6Hq.png
https://i.imgur.com/KCqO5B5.png
Wow! Ok a couple of comments barely getting out of the single digits of karma. You know how easy someone could stage that right using discord which we know people do? If it makes you feel better I denounce those assholes and need to got back to stormfront where they belong, happy?
Oh please. Those comments *would* get downvoted to oblivion anywhere else. The frequency with which these comments appeared on that sub, and *not* downvoted to oblivion was pretty scary.
Also, for the record, I'm not calling you a fascist. But the people who wrote those comments certainly are, and there's more where that came from. Making excuses for them isn't helping you or your cause.
My point is, there are no statistics (to my knowledge; I'd love to be wrong about that). If you can compile a similar list of upvoted comments advocating genocide from /r/bernieforpresident or /r/hillaryclinton, I'd love to see them.
Your implicit claim seems to be "that sub is *not* full of racism and xenophobia", correct me if I'm wrong.
My point is I can't prove my claim, since collecting that kind of data would be very hard and would likely take months. But you need that data to make the above claim as well. By its nature, this discussion is not scientific in any way, so I'm just sharing my shitty opinion (I have nothing better to do on a Friday night).
But if you can chalk up those comments to "well there are shitty people in every sub", then it should be possible to find similar comments advocating genocide in other candidates' subs, right?
You're a fascist because you won't go along with the mainstream narrative. And the people calling you a fascist, I think they're called.... what's that word?
Oh. Fascist.
***EXCEPT*** they don't enforce any rules to other subs. Hate subs constantly brigade t_d, constantly link and send harassment, ban people for being part of the sub... other subs CONSTANTLY break rules the *admins* defend them and say it's okay. they allow the liberal fucking retarded to do whatever they want then add *sepcial* rules for ONE sub.
you're fucking stupid dude
You can't assume like that. At least let us hear the facts first and if we react the way you think that we will then fine. But you can't say that as an excuse to not provide proof.
I've never seen anyone in politics advocate brigading. It's a super liberal community and they think t_d is full of subhumans but I've never seen any call to brigade.
In the space of 8 hours today I have been accused of being both a trump supporter and a leftist.
I feel confident at that point in telling you that you have your head up your ass.
Please... The_Donald asshats complaining about censorship is pathetic. A sub so infamous for banning any kind of discussion there's another sub created just to discuss "why I was banned from The_Donald."
Go rot on Voat.
The_Donald bans anyone who doesn't believe that Trump is a God. Anything that doesn't fit into their constant confirmation bias is censored. Want to try again????
I don't think you know the level censorship that is going on. If a sub dedicated to one subject wants to control its sandbox is one thing but for R/news, r/worldnews to censor or worse yet some subs proactively ban people who have never posted in that sub!
I am not saying t_d isnt using an upvote army of bots but the fact is EVERY anti-trump page used a MASSIVE PAID bot army to upvote or downvote shit. Only t_d is being fucked in the ass by mods.
/r/MarchAgainstTrump has a thousands strong discord they use to brigade all the new anti trump subs and push them to the front page. If you want a perfect example of selective enforcement of reddit TOS, there it is. You can damn well bet if T_D did this the admins would get off their asses.
Here's a mod [admitting it](http://i.imgur.com/VhS0c9G.png)
Here's the [post](https://www.reddit.com/r/subredditcancer/comments/6a614g/more_evidence_of_shenanigans_by_rmarchagainsttrump/) that's from.
Yes you can buy it, there is a video on youtube where a guy films a short "documentary" on how to reach the frontpage of reddit by investing very little money.
I know those two vids, they are shared in certain communities I visit a lot. The thing is, I really don't think this is what they are doing here. I think they are directly working with the admins and manipulate the numbers.
It doesn't matter if you like the Donald or not. This is blatant censorship. Of r/politics was censored, Donald supporters would be just as fucking pissed. Everyone has a right to a voice. The Donald has no voice anymore.
I unsubscribed from TD and politics because the political climate in America is toxic af
r/politics also isn't having it's subscription count throttled like TD is.
r/politics doesn't have an algorithm working against it to keep it off of r/all like TD does.
Also r/politics literally has to be sorted by controversial to get any sense of bi-partisanship otherwise it a leftist echo chamber.
I'm pretty sure it was removed as a default. But it's obviously a sub controlled by some kind of ShareBlue-esque organization, and hasn't been subject to any of the censorship.
Shareblue articles are front page there daily, people used to joke about shareblue then /r/politics just went full cold war propaganda and would sticky articles from there. Doesn't take much imagination to recognize what is happening.
We also need to remember when /politics turned into such a blatant disinformation / propaganda mill.
Directly after CTR got that 6 million dollar donation. It has never recovered.
Political propaganda is a multi million dollar industry. The damage that ShareBlue & Co. do to forums like reddit is very obvious.
They fully own /politics, as well as the vast majority of other, supposedly "impartial" political subs. All with full admin approval.
You could almost conclude that some of that advertising money made it into reddit admin pockets. :(
https://archive.is/jxoEq
There is way more I could grab if they weren't private, this is all I had backed up due to me always sending reports to admins with archived links included
Jesus Christ that's fucking terrifying, they just named like 15 private citizens because they are on a witch hunt and don't care who they hurt in their quest to not be fringe conspiracists.
Banning them is the least reddit could do.
lol only when the right does it is it bad...... these hate subreddits and defaults doxx CONATANTLT and the *admins* say it's fine and not breaking rules. Reddit needs to die. fuck this liberal hell hole. thank God Hillary lost
Reddit was so so so much better before t-d existed. 7 years ago it was a site mostly populated by nerds and those interested in science and technology. It's evolved since then, and gone through many "upheavals" - it will still exist after the Donald fans leave and/or grow up... like I get it, it was fun to pretend to be interested in the occult and other "internet subculture" related things when I was growing up, and I get that it's nice to have a community that makes you laugh and feel like part of something bigger, but yeah, I imagine at least 1/3 - 1/2 of the users who post in the Donald will eventually come to realize that taking part in that whole thing might've seemed really cool and rebellious and important, but that it's really just ugly and dedicated to helping those who feel powerless to feel like they have some little power in this big scary world.
The other ones won't, and they're the kind of people that the other ones will run across on Facebook and be like "wow that dude peaked hard in high school" and then laugh to themselves that they ever thought that was cool. They'll end up like this guy: http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130705181838/kingofthehill/images/9/93/Ward.jpg
I hate the ugliness that the Donald had brought to reddit, I've never seen this kind of mud slinging and constant hate and victimization anywhere, even on tumblr, and it's all they complain about! Bitch, bitch, bitch! Good god, get over it, nobody will care about your all's internet hissyfit in a year, let alone a month. Get over yourselves.
Yeah, that's not doxxing. Doxxing is revealing a hidden person's ID. They're simply tagging people in a clumsy amateur "investigation" but no more doxxing or harassing than anything the commie or antifa subs do to arrange physical attacks on Trump supporters.
they are revealing peoples full names, some pictures, place of work, and trying to track them down to get them to answer questions due to believing one or more of them may have assisted in a murder
Suck shit out of my butthole
https://www.buzzfeed.com/ryanhatesthis/trump-supporters-have-built-a-document-with-the-addresses?utm_term=.kkPz25QwW#.nt0d4w3b3
>muh buzzfeed link that's been spammed all over the front page today
Yeah, I've seen it. That's not doxxing anyone though. It's just compiling a list of people whose names are publicly available.
Try again, mate.
They called out mods of other subreddits for something I can't remember. People began overexaggerating this to the point where they started saying that the mods were "calling for rioting against left doctors" or something ridiculous like that.
Oh look another tolerant liberal being friendly as usual. First, buzzfeed is not a reliable news source, and 2, there is not a single mention of T_D in the entire article. Take your foolish childish hate back to your safe space. You provided no evidence to support your claim and insulted me. Be gone child, if you grow up, provide actual evidence to back your claim, then I'm sure people would be rightly outraged. From what I see, the only large scale coordinated doxxing has come from your side of the fence.
I'm not liberal, I don't give a fuck about Hillary.
For a group of people that call others snowflakes and bitch about the over-the-top political correctness within society you sure do bitch a whole bunch whenever someone says something you don't like.
Bunch of a fucking babies. The biggest snowflakes of them all.
Keep deflecting to pass your narrative you fucking sissy.
And you mention safe spaces and /r/the_donald in the same fucking comment. lol.
It happened multiple times.
Not to mention the fact the Seth Rich's family has pleaded multiple times for conspiracy theorists to leave their son alone.
Keep going bro. Keep stalling. You have nothing. That's why you result to name calling just like big bad evil trump. I bet those mean nazi TD posters hurt your feelings all the time :( poor lil guy
You're multireplying and gettin emotionally invested and detracted. Lol
I said hold on a second because you're not the only "retard" I'm talking to and you're like: "noooooo! I have no patience!!! Play with me now! Answer my questions now!" Just hold your horses little girl, we'll come back to you.
You're fucking stupid. We are talking in two different comment chains you fucking blind moron. No wonder you don't support trump. You can't even use basic enough logic to know how Reddit works.
There never has been one shred of evidence for T_D brigading or doxxing.
They were very careful to discourage such, with extreme prejudice.
On the other hand, it is very well documented that other groups / subs have broken site rules with wild abandon, and full admin approval.
No one...everyone knows his name. Everyone with google access can find his parents names and let them know thousands of people want justice for their son. Someone somewhere doesn't want that...think about it
There was a guy who got banned from /r/dataisbeautiful yesterday for showing statistical proof that one of these posts was elevated to /r/all through the use of bots.
Let me check real quick.
Found it. Good thing the guy had a tag I could halfway remember.
https://www.reddit.com/r/dataisbeautiful/comments/6c0d3u/they_arent_wrong_voter_scriptsbots_are_here/
He posted it first to T_D. The mods of /r/dataisbeautiful first removed it for not being "OC" (it was), then they gave some kind of half-assed reason about brigading I think. It all smelled like an overt attempt to remove content because it rustled someone's jimmies. It's a shame too, because the guy was really courteous and a good sport about the whole thing. You could kind of tell it got to him because he said he messaged the mods about lifting his ban and they muted him for 72 hours without even giving a reply.
Mainly that Reddit fuzzes vote totals specifically so bots can't tell if they are having an impact. That destroys the whole premise that the post was getting exactly 303 votes per minute. There's no way to know that, it was the vote display rounding to that number.
He offered an explanation in either that sub or the one posted in T_D (I don't remember which). There's a lot of opinions on the subject and I'm not sure who is right.
The first comment actually has a pretty great outline of why his statistical analysis is incorrect. I mean, this is what the guy replied:
"I did pull the 5% number out of thin air, as an estimate." It is NOT statistical analysis, especially since no tests were done to show the significance of the observation.
He also made his claim on the assumption that reddit does not fuzz their votes, which is false. So his entire analysis is based on fuzzed data, which makes it meaningless.
It is very clear how level and inorganic the straight line of bot voting is.
a 5% deviance is nothing. The obvious onslaught of artificial votes is obvious.
Reddit completely changed the "vote fuzzing" months ago. There is some, but it is low-key enough to actually get a picture of real-life differences.
This was also clearly explained in the post.
No, there simply is no way to excuse this massive abuse of voting manipulation. No way around it.
This is a very common attack against T_D, and other subs that don't meet the admin's profit approval.
Admins fully allow / condone such breaking of site rules when it matches their interests. This is clear.
T_D is in no way the only victim.
Why the hell should they follow such stringent rules, when the admins let them slide for everyone against them?
And when called out on such blatant hypocrisy, the admins double down on the abuse, and suspend the T_D mods that shined a lite on their bullshit.
> It is very clear how level and inorganic the straight line of bot voting is.
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> a 5% deviance is nothing. The obvious onslaught of artificial votes is obvious.
Yea, i'm sorry but that's not statistical analysis. Just because you think something is very obvious and clear it does not mean that it's actually true. It might actually be true, but his analysis was not accurate. It was done by someone who may have only read about basic statistics, but anyone with first year statistics knowledge would know enough to understand that what he did was inadequate and completely irresponsible--in that he should not have drawn any conclusions from it.
Yah, I'm sorry, but if you see a line going straight up, with only the tiniest variance, it is VERY obvious that it is artificial.
Anyone with eyes can see you're crap about "irresponsible" is only talking about you, yourself.
That thread was brigaded to hell and back by bots, and it's so blatantly obvious, trying to say otherwise is absurd.
> Anyone with eyes can see
There goes your solid reasoning again. And just because a line goes up doesn't mean the measurement of the line was correct. The entire point is that his analysis was inaccurate. So whatever he measured wasn't presented in the way it should have been.
So again, you cannot make ANY conclusions about that data. Even if it was showing that no botting happened.
[The_Donald using bots.](http://i.imgur.com/luF3Ly0.jpg)
Your logic. And yes, Reddit still fuzzes the votes, even on threads that have single-digit karma on slow boards, unless you think there are a bunch of ghost-voters who upvote and then un-upvote without downvoting threads to explain the karma variance when a submission is made, stays at 100% upvoted, and decreases on some refreshes.
The truth is your entire stance is founded on confirmation bias. You ignore experts who disagree with your assessment and appeal to expertise when what the "expert" is telling you is what you want to be true, regardless of that "expert"'s credentials or your admitted lack of understanding of the subject and corresponding lack of ability to judge whether the "expert analysis" has any basis in logic.
Wow, /u/redtaboo sure showed what a thin-skinned power-tripper (s)he is with that one. I see posts exactly like that *all over* Reddit about TD every damn day, even trying to avoid political bullshit. This is a ban purely for expressing a differing opinion.
/u/spez would be proud.
Simply put the reddit admins have been just waiting around for some bullshit reason to remove r/T_D by making them walk on ice with arbitrary rules, then giving the mods a much harder time than needed me.
It's baffling to me people in this thread are shocked the r/T_D mods resent the admins (especially spez). I mean for fuck sake, /u/spez edited comments that insulted or criticized him and replaced his name with mods of r/T_D. How the fuck are you going to tell me the admins here didn't have it out for r/T_D since day one?
There are so many other variables that show the way the admins on this website operate make it practically a dictatorship. Popular subs are moderated by the admins favorite mods who they give very special treatment and if they fuck up no big deal, we're friends after all.
Instead of talking about the actual problem which is the admins of this website people want another excuse to hate ONE fucking sub out of the thousands here, it's pathetic.
> What was the reason for the three mods being removed?
Revenge for calling out the admins on their blatant hypocrisy.
While T_D was fully complying with an ever increainlgly opressive set of special "rules", as well as site-wide ones,
the admins completely ignored other subs and groups breaking site rules with wild abandon.
A few T_D mods called out the admins on this bullshit, and were quickly suspended for it.
The admins here have proven, once again, they have not one shred of integrity.
How is it censorship to only allow people who support President Trump is a sub designed specifically to cater to people who support President Trump?
You want to bitch about President Trump, you have 90% of reddit to do that in. You want to harass supporters of President Trump, there's really no reason to entertain you. Pretty much all subs have rules against harassment or civility.
The_Donald couldn't say /r/politics for a long time while all the anti-trump subs can link to or put The_Donald in their titles
Reddit change the voting algorithms several times to stop t_d posts. They also count upvotes on t_d less than upvotes on other subs
This sub has shown the bots on MAT upvoting MAT posts or downovoting T_D posts and there is something fishy with all the antitrump subs where they have tiny userbases, but consistently get to the top of all
No stickies from td show up on all? They can't post other subs names? They can't tag users? They can't go to other subs because they are preemptively banned, even from default subs?
Doxxing, botting, making lists of users automatically tagged by scripts to downvote.
https://www.reddit.com/r/RedditCensors/comments/6c5mpw/rtwoxchromosomes_proactively_banning_again/
I'm on that list, I've got my "star of David", my speech is literally being suppressed.
http://www.un.org/en/universal-declaration-human-rights/
> ##Article 19.
> Everyone has **the right to** freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to **hold opinions without interference** and to seek, receive and **impart information and ideas through any media** and regardless of frontiers.
Any media, like Reddit.
I think it's the 4th largest website in America, if I'm not mistaken. Google, Youtube, Facebook, Reddit.
This is like people thinking if some Trump Facebook group closed, that it would actually make a difference to their traffic. It's a drop in the bucket.
What a fucking cuck. That's exactly what a cuck would do, too - have his own sub and "hang out" at that sub.
Edit: I was drunk and reading on my phone. Note to self - don't make reddit comments while drunk. I know what a userpage is, haha. Or you can believe all T_D users are retarded - it doesn't matter, Donald J. Trump is still your president.
https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_banners/821511862881845248/1485357788/1500x500
And mat and ets and esist and polrev and ahs all doxxed and threatened the mods, sending them their personal info and telling them to make sure they don't get raped
They all stickies their posts.
March against Trump
Esist
Banned from td
March against Trump
Against hate sunreddits
Drama
These were all listed in the last mod post on td with screenshots. Of stickied posts that had been up for hours
Reddit is supposed to be for free speech, politics sub is supposed to be unbaised. T_D is a President Trump fansub for President Trump fans.
One of these is not like the other.
Everything makes some much more sense now. T_D isn't a political sub, it's a fansub.
So what's the harm in shutting down a fansub then, it's just a fansub.
Can't wait to see all these people with Trumps dick in their mouths commit mass suicide when he's impeached.
You're totally right, now that i've used my brain i can clearly see that they are gonna side with the group that uses the term libtard.
Your president is a Russian puppet. He's guilty of treason. You support a traitor.
Democrats are literal Communists and most military members know this. You're delusional if you think they won't take a deep state coup as a personal insult and attack against their nation.
This is a pretty hilarious turn that I saw. First you guys started off with "Stage a coup! Resist!" then you suddenly realized as people were getting hit by the secret service that *Sedition is Illegal*.
So now the narrative is "Uh...Trump is the real traitor, not us!".
They voted Trump by a [yuge majority](http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/poll-military-back-Donald-Trump/2016/11/02/id/756721/) and it's impossible to think they would be ok with him being forced out of office on the trumped-up Russia charges. It would be a flat out coup against the American people.
No.... No it wouldn't...
Again, the military would side with the rule of law. You know people voted for Nixon too... So let's not get into hyperbole over something silly.
[What do you think this comment chain is about](https://www.reddit.com/r/RedditCensors/comments/6c7t1b/admins_removed_3_top_rthe_donald_moderators/dhsos1d/)
> Is the military going to side with the party that chants Blue Lives Matter or Dead Cops Now? Use your brain libtard.
That's what this chain is about. And that is wrong.
Well the good news is that's not something you'd have to worry about. Because the military isn't going to start a civil war.
I am curious though, whom exactly is taking over in this coup? Because of it's the Republicans, well that's Trumps own party. And if it's the Democrats, well then that's Trumps own fault for running under a party that somehow is still weak while having a majority in all branches of government.
So let just assume he is impeached. Why then would the military (the single largest employer of the government) decide they want to basically commit treason? Like walk me though this... Some Private is just gonna take the Abrams out as a show of force? Really? I mean really? Just take a minute and think about this. At all levels it sounds ridiculous. Now if you said something like some governors will get upset and try to rally the National Guard (like they did in Texas of the US Army training exercise), I'd be more inclined to believe that. And i'd say it'd have the same outcome.
>So let just assume he is impeached. Why then would the military (the single largest employer of the government) decide they want to basically commit treason?
Why would the military want to commit "treason" if the Democrats (Communists) and Deep State commit treason? Gee, let me think long and hard about this. I can't think of a good reason. I'm sure they'll take it lying down if the establishment decides nobody gets a real vote so they can keep importing millions of third worlders and turning us into Venezuela. /s
> Gee, let me think long and hard about this. I can't think of a good reason.
Yeah I agree, I can't think of a good reason why the military would either. Funny how you call Democrats communists. How do you justify calling half the political spectrum communists? And it's funny that Democrats are so weak, yet you are worried about a civil war breaking out due to their actions. If anything that should only reassure you.
it's thinking like that that shows how silly an idea a revolt is. I would love to see the day some Joe gets squared away because he thought he was gonna start a civil war. Silliness around.
You do know that in the military they teach you that it's ok to disobey an unlawful order, right? In fact, it's your duty. There's a lot of military people that look at the government as trying to throw a coup against Trump, and they would back Trump/his supporters against him getting thrown out of office on what is perceived as trumped up (no pun) charges.
As a veteran, I must of missed the class on "Start a Civil War if the person you voted for gets impeached".
And for an impeachment the House of Reps would have to agree to an impeachment (which is R majority). Then the Senate (which is also R majority) would have the trail, with the Chief Justice (who is also also R) residing.
So no. Again would not be a split in the military. The military isn't involved in an impeachment in any sort. To "back Trump supporters" to the point of revolting is silly. Military has always been right leaning, but again, lets not get into hyperbole.
"Supposed" to be. According to who? Lmao what exactly entitles Trump supporters to a safe space on a website that *isn't* theirs. Websites are property, not a public service.
~~sub~~reddit~~s~~ ~~are~~ *is* run by ~~moderators~~ *admins* who can ban people who disobey their own rules. ~~#1 rule was to be a trump supporter.~~ How don't you understand this?
> Lmao what exactly entitles Trump supporters to a safe space on a website that isn't theirs. Websites are property, not a public service.
idk what your replying about but you said the above statement. what entitles Trump supporters to have a subreddit for only trump supporters? the fact that people can make subreddits themselves and set rules to them. thats why T_D is allowed to ban people post comments against Trump.
So... what you mean to say is that you can't refute that the users of the_donald don't own Reddit and that they can't prevent Reddit's staff from enforcing its rules?
>users of the_donald don't own Reddit
of course they dont i never said they did and never tried to "refute it"
>they can't prevent Reddit's staff from enforcing its rules?
never said they could either. and idk your point. You said people who support Trump dont have a right to make a subreddit and make their rules for their subreddit. I proved to you that they do have that right via the basic rules of reddit and the basic concept of reddit altogether
Because Reddit is advertised as a platform for open discussion.
Nobody says Reddit *can't* censor content it doesn't like or enforce a liberal narrative. They just need to be honest about their partisanship.
[From Reddit's content policy](https://www.reddit.com/help/contentpolicy). Any **feels** you may have wrt what Reddit supposedly advertises itself as is besides the point.
>Enforcement
>6
We have a variety of ways of enforcing our rules, including, but not limited to
Asking you nicely to knock it off
Asking you less nicely
Temporary or permanent suspension of accounts
Removal of privileges from, or adding restrictions to, accounts
Adding restrictions to Reddit communities, such as adding NSFW tags or Quarantining
Removal of content
Banning of Reddit communities
Because you obviously didn't read my comment and just want to talk shit:
> Nobody says Reddit *can't* censor content it doesn't like or enforce a liberal narrative. They just need to be honest about their partisanship.
Read.
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> > Nobody says Reddit can't censor content it doesn't like or enforce a liberal narrative
If the previous bans of FPH, CoonTown, European, etc. weren't enough of a hint I honestly I don't know what to say. At this point we've gone past "hey we banned other people that had opinions like yours and did things like you", through "hey if you keep doing that we'll ban you" and are now at "hey we said we'd ban you and you told us to fuck ourselves and posted all over your subreddit about how we could fuck ourselves and so... we're banning you" and yet somehow there is still this feigned outrage.
No, you are (or were) welcome to disagree as long as you're a Trump supporter and not disagreeing for the sake of stirring up shit and trolling, obviously that's a fine line sometimes. But that said there was a lot of disagreement over several issues, people didn't get banned for it. We had good conversations too.
Sure, like pretty much every other political sub, you're going to have *some* people in that sub with propaganda and theories. Thing is that politics and every anti-trump sub is pushing the insane theory of "muh russia collusion" with 0 evidence. Tapper said 0 evidence. Comey agreed. Crowdstrike retracted. Various dems agree, no evidence, yet they push "Muh impeachment, muh russia" with 0 evidence.
Nothing, because [Trump isn't being investigated](http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/may/11/trump-not-personally-under-investigation/). It was Flynn they were investigating. Now they wanted and got a "consul" for investigating Russian "collusion" regarding the previous election.
"You people are delusional" said the person who reads only headlines and selectively ignores officials stating there is no evidence and that Trump isn't under investigation. Said the person who probably simultaneously claims Trump wasn't surveilled by obama admin but he is under investigation.
Trump's personal conspiracy theories? Weird that the director of the CIA, Comey, Lynch and others also share "Trump's personal conspiracy theories". On video, on record.
Keep projecting that [delusion](https://i.redd.it/9542880vyowy.jpg) though, it's going so well for you.
Guess you haven't heard of Susan Rice Unmasking? Try to keep up.
The wiretaps have been a known element for at least a month now, the question is why Susan Rice unmasked people who had been tapped and then leaked that data. The FISA warrants exist, yes that is plural. The first was rejected, the second was accepted but on the grounds of a shitty supposed intelligence article that the [FBI wouldn't even pay for](http://archive.is/vAtoX) at the time as their justification of "muh russia". [Democrats have already turned to trying to defend the taps because evidently the year is 1980 and the red scare is all the rage again.](http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/03/hillary-clintons-campaign-manager-robby-mook-confirms-knew-wiretaps-video/)
It's pretty funny you guys deny this considering [you were gloating about it](http://mobile.wnd.com/files/2017/03/NYT-wiretap-screenshot.jpg) earlier.
Sure it is. Your sources aren't credible so any "evidence" they post can't be relied on. Ironically, Trump calls some of the most respected publications "FAKE NEWS", he does this to delegitimize them in the eyes of his supporters thus insuring they don't trust when news negative of him is published.
No, it's not an argument. It's [Ad-hominem](http://jimbuie.blogs.com/.a/6a00d8341c5a0553ef015390755e91970b-800wi) which is a [fallacy](https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/ad-hominem) attacking the person giving the argument or sources of evidence rather than the argument itself, only slightly better than "Yeah well, you're stupid!'.
Also **deflecting** the topic to Trump has no relevance to the evidence or points presented. Again:
There is no question Trump, his admin, and others were under surveillance at this point. Go educate yourself on the Susan Rice scandal, everyone admits it exists but argues whether or not it was legal or justified to do.
P.S. What's especially Ironic is that the last source I used was NYT themselves proclaiming "Wiretap data used in inquiry of Trump aids" a publication you just simutaniously said isn't credible (because I used it), and at the same time is a "respected publication" (because Trump attacks it all the time).
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That feeling you're getting when your desperately ignoring looking up Susan rice or actually looking at what my sources present? That's called cognitive dissonance, it's a form of willful ignorance where you ignore the obvious evidence presented to you and fabricate your own reality to protect your world view because it's too painful to do otherwise.
> No, it's not an argument. It's Ad-hominem which is a fallacy attacking the person giving the argument or sources of evidence rather than the argument itself, only slightly better than "Yeah well, you're stupid!'.
Not all sources are reputable. For example you can't use the National Enquirer in an argument.
>There is no question Trump, his admin, and others were under surveillance at this point. Go educate yourself on the Susan Rice scandal, everyone admits it exists but argues whether or not it was legal or justified to do.
>P.S. What's especially Ironic is that the last source I used was NYT themselves proclaiming "Wiretap data used in inquiry of Trump aids" a publication you just simutaniously said isn't credible (because I used it), and at the same time is a "respected publication" (because Trump attacks it all the time).
Trump claimed that Obama ordered him to be wiretapped, which is false. "American intelligence agencies typically monitor the communications of foreign officials of allied and hostile countries, and so they routinely sweep up any conversations between American citizens and those officials — called 'incidental collection.' For example, it is routine for F.B.I. counterintelligence officials to keep the Russian ambassador under surveillance. Therefore, when Michael T. Flynn, Mr. Trump’s former national security adviser, spoke on the phone with the Russian ambassador during the presidential transition, the government intercepted that conversation because it was wiretapping the ambassador."
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/23/us/politics/fact-check-trump-misleads-surveillance-wiretapping.html
>That's called cognitive dissonance, it's a form of willful ignorance where you ignore the obvious evidence presented to you and fabricate your own reality to protect your world view because it's too painful to do otherwise.
One might even respond with calling respected publications "FAKE NEWS" or accusing the "Mainstream Media" in being involved in a conspiracy against Trump?
>Not all sources are reputable.
In which case you would have to provide evidence they are disreputable and their evidence is false. And you're still deflecting from the main argument.
> Pretty much everything else
Splitting hairs and once again, deflecting. You're focusing on a single very specific instance to try and disprove of all the other instances. You're not in the least bit trying to argue a point with intellectual honesty, you're just trying to be "right" rather than admit again, the obvious truths.
* Two Fisa warrants were submitted. The first was too broad in scope and was rejected. The second was more narrow in scope and used the report that the FBI wouldn't even pay for (They offered to pay if the claims could be proven, they couldn't so they didn't pay) as evidence to allow the warrant.
* Susan Rice who acts under direct authority of Obama requested and received unmasking of individuals recorded. Not only did the FBI and CIA deign it was not necessary to unmask the individuals in the investigation, but it's practically unprecedented for someone in the executive branch to do so rather than the judicial.
* Unmasked data of Trump and his admin was then leaked to the press.
It's funny how you keep referring to things that have factual basis and evidence as "conspiracy theories" while likely proclaiming things like "Russian collusion!" that have no evidence of [and even your own side admits this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bqzEpRR4n8), as "fact".
[Study demonstrates that news media of Trump was invariably biased negatively](https://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-donald-trumps-first-100-days/?utm_source=POLITICO.EU&utm_campaign=ab6d830a9d-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2017_05_19&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_10959edeb5-ab6d830a9d-189799085).
[Wikileaks demonstrated media DNC collusion](http://archive.is/WGYPA)
[Which is no surprise given that only 7% of Journalists identify as republican](http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-03-20/reminder-just-7-journalists-call-themselves-republican)
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There's no point in arguing with you any further, again you have no intention of being honest or learning anything. You'll cling to your willful ignorance and it's terribly obvious as you:
* Deflect the points of discussion
* Dismiss evidence without even reviewing it
* Split hairs on points to try and find a way to be "right" on something that is irrelevant to the overall argument.
You don't want to be right, you just want to "win".
> In which case you would have to provide evidence they are disreputable and their evidence is false.
I don't need to respond to a claim by a non-reputable source. Thegatewaypundit isn't reputable.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Gateway_Pundit
>Splitting hairs and once again, deflecting. You're focusing on a single very specific instance to try and disprove of all the other instances. You're not in the least bit trying to argue a point with intellectual honesty, you're just trying to be "right" rather than admit again, the obvious truths.
It is important whether Obama ordered a wire tap on Trump's campaign, that's what Trump claimed. I think we can both agree that the truth matters.
>There's no point in arguing with you any further, again you have no intention of being honest or learning anything.
You are the one using fringe publications and forum posts as evidence. I don't care about winning, I just hope to open your eyes, even just a as to why Trump and places like Fox News spend so much time trying to delegitmize respected news publications.
Wikipedia isn't a reputable source because anyone can modify pages and it has a clear bias.
See how that works?
>It is important whether Obama ordered a wire tap on Trump's campaign, that's what Trump claimed. I think we can both agree that the truth matters.
The Tap occured, people were unmasked potentially illegally, and information was leaked to the press all under Obama's administration. These are undeniable facts.
> I just hope to open your eyes...places like Fox News
You'll note I didn't link fox news once. Your prejudice is showing, in fact if you looked at the article I posted regarding media bias you would see Fox news was perhaps the least biased against Trump but *still* up to 50% or higher unfavorable and biased reporting *against* him.
The majority of MSM is owned by the same 6 or so corporations, they are products and producers, advertisements. The only place you can get relatively honest reporting is from "fringe" publications because they have no investors pulling their strings. Whether or not you can believe *everything* they say is a matter of critical thinking rather than dismissing them offhand based on "What is reputable and what is not" given that naturally corporate sponsored products such as most MSM have better advertisement to make them appear more "reputable".
It's like comparing Mcdonalds to a local bar and grill. Mcdonalds appears reputable because it has advertisement. The bar and grill you would actually have to investigate and given that it has no reputation because it has no advertisement you would likely consider it disreputable offhand, but that's not strictly the case.
Fox news is no different. They often sell controversy as their primary product which tends to be contrary to most outlets but they are effectively controlled opposition. Another brand of product from the same company claiming it competes with a different brand.
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At any rate, we can agree on "It is important whether Obama ordered a wire tap on Trump's campaign". And you have never disputed the facts that:
* Under Obama's administration two FISA warrants were submitted, one was rejected for being too broad in scope. His appointed FBI director accepted the second FISA warrant based on a document that was demonstrably unable to prove its claims.
* Susan Rice who is under the direct order and chain of command of Obama requested the unmasking of individuals and information recorded during the investigation. This is not the job of the executive branch, but the judicial branch. The judicial branch (FBI, CIA) did not determine it was necessary to unmask individuals that were part of the investigation.
* Unmasked indaviduals and data from the investigation was leaked to the press in attempts to damage Trump, his campaign and his administration.
These are facts. The only debate currently is whether Susan Rice was within the law to unmask indaviduals who were part of the investigation, who leaked that unmasked information to the press (Illegal) and why the investigation was created and greenlit in the first place.
I never said I trust them. I evaluate the evidence they provide and points they make with critical thinking.
If possible I attempt to find conflicting reports on a subject and evaluate what either side emphasizes, omits, includes or precludes. That's the only way to find something close to the truth of things.
If you rely entirely on the "reputation" of a news outlet and uncritically accept anything they say as fact, you're only doing yourself a disservice.
Have a good one.
Non-reputable sources are worthless because they either lie about the facts or intentionally misrepresent them. Critical thinking should have made you realize that. The Gate Way Pundit, isn't the other side to sources like New York Times and Washington Post. The closest conservative equivalent is the Wall Street Journal.
R/Politics is vary. You can post there. Just because your views get downvoted doesn't mean you can't partake. I wish I could post on your bullshit sub and get downvotes. But you all are snowflakes who can't handle it.
Nope, you can't partake if comments are downvoted into obscurity simply for your opinion so you can't actually discuss anything or when people will check your post history or RES for your jewden star and immediately attack your character because of a place you visit rather than any idea you presented.
They ban users whose don't fall into lock step. Trump supporters who admit that he shouldn't try to grab people by the pussies are banned. And reddit isn't banning the sub, they banned mods.
But they don't want to silence all opposing viewpoints, they just want to keep them out of their sub, while a lot of people openly called for the banning TD.
But they do, infact, silence all opposing viewpoints within their sub, which they're allowed to do, because it's their sub. But their Sub is on Reddit, so they have to play by reddits rules, and when the repeatedly Dox and brigade and spread hate speech they earn the right to be removed.
Reddit isn't america, it's a website. And they can litteraly do whatever they want with their own fucking website.
> and when the repeatedly Dox and brigade and spread hate speech they earn the right to be removed.
I remember FPH being banned for "doxxing and brigading", so I'll take that explanation with a grain of salt.
You don't have to take it at all. You can ignore it. You can even believe that it's false.
Regardless, this is still Reddits website, and they can literally do whatever they want to any sub at any time. We're not paying money for this. It's a fucking website.
I wasn't in TD in few months, but they weren't brigading when people accused any opposing opinions of being TD brigade/Russian trolls, so it seems situation hasn't changed.
Every political subreddit does that.. you should see the reasons that people get banned from other political subreddits. When you are a mod of a subreddit there's very little risk in banning random users that make a troll comment, and trolls make themselves apparent pretty quickly. The donald users get banned from politics, politics users get banned from the donald, that's just how things naturally run on this site
You can get banned from T_D for simply saying "I don't agree with you". Trying to say that T_D and r/politics operate at any kind of equal manner is laughable. T_D is a safespace, pure and simple, for racists, homophobic, xenophobic hateful people. It's a hate sub, and i support the banning of any and all hate subs.
I don't understand how it's a problem for there to be ONE pro-trump safespace, when there are like A HUNDRED anti-trump safespaces. I browse the donald all the time and wouldn't say any of those adjectives describe the users there, they are easy insults to just throw out there without any evidence because you are lazy.
edit: avid followers of politics are like sports fans, if you go into a rival team's group and trying to start shitting on their team they are gonna kick you out, let them have a spot and just stay away from them. the donald isnt trying to get rid of all the anti-trump subs but they all can't stand the donald, it's not a default sub, they even added an option to not show up on your front page.
T_D has followed all the special, increasingly oppressive "rules" the admins demanded of only them, as well as site-wide rules,
all the while, other subs and groups break site rules with wild abandon and full admin approval.
Attacking T_D mods and posters with downvote bots, doxxing and threats. All of which the admins ignore daily.
When T_D called admins on this hypocrisy, the admins suspended them.
>You can get banned from T_D for simply saying "I don't agree with you".
Where's that classic picture of the redditor posting "I disagree" and getting -1000 downvotes?
>Talk about an echo chamber. It's almost as if they want to intentionally silence any opposing viewpoints.
I see this, then i look at the constant stream of bullshit and botting on 50+ anti trump subs (psst, who also ban people for the same reasons the_don do) you don't see the irony in that?
> This is not censorship
Yes, it is:
http://www.un.org/en/universal-declaration-human-rights/
> ##Article 19.
> Everyone has **the right to** freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to **hold opinions without interference** and to seek, receive and **impart information and ideas through any media** and regardless of frontiers.
Any media, like Reddit.
They didn't get banned for their ideas, it was for their doxxing and blatant breaking of Reddit's rules. Arresting a guy for robbery isn't "censorship" because he holds the opinion that he should be able to rob people, that's just an idiot being an idiot.
Sure bud, with zero evidence of such.
While at the same time T_D has been a constant target of other subs blatant brigading, with full admin indifference.
Not to mention all the shady software updates to try and keep T_D off of /new, while allowing full on breaking of rules by the ShareBlue faction.
Tiny subs upvoted beyond all reason or believably to get around those rules. Also with full admin complacency.
T_D has gotten a raw deal from admins that very selectively enforce their nebulous "rules". The admins have shown themselves completely devoid of any integrity, and this is a very very bad thing for reddit.
The fact that you are crying Censorship! is hilarious. T_D was famous for banning any and everyone that didn't participate in their cheeto jesus circle jerk. If you expressed any dissenting opinion you were banned.
source : i was banned
same! i was about to reach page 1 for the first time ever, which is NOT easy in that sub. i'm fucking sick of the beta permavirgins who run this place so much right now.
It's so funny how often T_D posters cry censorship when really they just don't know a damn thing about reddit.
"How can a post with 0 points be on the front page? Also I have literally no idea what caching is."
To be fair, I probably have more experiences with private subs than mike up there does. Its not something I would expect everyone to know, even if they are in a private sub, because private subs dont usually start out with a ton of regular subscribers.
If Reddit administrators didn't have a verifiable history of specifically editing posts in the_donald and adding several features to Reddit just to shrink the_donald's visibility, nobody but easily ignored conspiracy lunatics would howl when a the_donald post is affected by the 0 score "bug" that no other subreddit's posts ever consistently exhibit.
> no other subreddit's posts ever consistently exhibit.
No other subreddit is both so large and so wildly unpopular with the wider community. It shouldn't be surprising at all that that dichotomy causes unique behavior - anyone who has programmed knows that these sorts of corner cases cause a disproportionate number of bugs.
same! i was about to reach page 1 for the first time ever, which is NOT easy in that sub. i'm fucking sick of the beta permavirgins who run this place so much right now.
T_D can fuck right off. Good riddance to bad rubbish. And don't whine about censorship. You had your chance and blew it. Try Voat! Oh wait, they told you to take a hike too.
You're being censored like a dad's backhand censors a smart mouthed child.
I've said this in the past and I'll say it again. /r/The_Donald is filled with dishonest, brainwashed extremists who have little to no sense of morality, they care nothing for others or the truth. They constantly brigade other subreddits to spread their far-right propaganda (ex: Seth Rich) and spread lies of persecution.
I never understood this argument. Ever.
Dont you think that maybe you are just not fulfilled enough to be more rigid and disciplined and understand the Beauty behind t_d politics?
Because honestly I come up to realize that most of the people that criticize t_d are just blatantly frustrated and naive. They equal harshness to intolerance, and that's not the same. Just a weak perspective on life.
T_d was never racist. However it is based on non explicit kindness, thats what makes it more genuine.
We never gave a fuck about Race or religion. However, if the high representation of a religion tortures women, that's a problem.
Whether you like it or not, Donald Trump has photos of him handshaking and hugging Black people back when doing so really could be a problem.
Donald Trump payed for the rent of Black people in need back before he even considered getting to polítics.
Why didnt he bring it up on his campaign then?
Because he understands what it means to be happy and fortunate. He sees the Beauty past the race or gender since ever. It has been his status quo since he was thought the world revolved around money.
Back on campaign, there was a thread in reddit /r/all that was protrump with 55k upvotes i think. MSM asked trump with bathroom a trans should use and his response was extraordinary "i don't really know. I don't really care".
You see, this is the point where life can get simply unfair. I don't know anything about you or you about me but our Minds are deeply Rooted in a way of thinking that makes us the most comfortable throughout the day.
Maybe I can use the n word countless Times with my Black friends and everyone laughs it off because we all know se deeply love each other. We focus on the Beauty past those things: times shared, the look on our girlfriends eyes, everything beautiful really.
We are too alive to be politically correct. We believe in sensation, in emotion, not nuances from vocabulary or agendas.
Curiously, we are all kinda on the attractive side and have good jobs in thrilling fields. We even Spin a business with investiments on the side so we can enjoy an adventure all together as FAM.
As so, don't you think that maybe t_d is just a sense of unfrustrated purity in a rather Bland world where just words begin to hurt so more frustrated people may feel they have a role in others life, if they can't have on theirs?
I don't know, dude...
/u/maniac1094
I'm happy i gave you a good laugh mate :b
I'm linking you in this comment chain if you'd want to read my reply to intolerance here, as it is pretty length.
You gotta believe what you gotta believe bro. Politics aside.
"suppose to be" according to who? Reddit is a *private* website, it is not obligated to provide service to users. If Reddit deems certain users to be in violation of its rules it can remove their content, regardless of whether or not those users feel their removal was merited.
Whatre you even talking about? You were comparing the rules of a subreddit against reddit.
A subreddit can have whatever rules they deem necessary.
A platform having a rule(which I dont think it does) that "we will silence opinions which we disagree with" would mean that that platform would die.
You're comparing 2 completely different things. T_D has a bias and is fully supporting the president. They dont want you to post there if you dont support Trump.
Reddit on the other hand doesnt have a "If you dont agree with us, dont post here" rule. Yet some admins see fit to try to enforce one
Numerous conservative and Christian subreddits have been around for years and are doing just fine to this day, and yes - many of them support Trump enthusiastically. T_D was banned flat out because of its *refusal* to follow the rules or act maturely, as was its predecessors like European.
> act maturely
Not relevant
>follow the rules
Being forced to follow rules which next to 0 other subreddits have to follow or are enforced to follow is censorship. Rules which were only put on the sub because the admins disagreed. Remember when spez edited a user's comment because it hurt his feelings? I 'member.
Sander4president did the same shit as T_D did months before them. They werent censored
They dont have to do anything. But if you expect a certain kind of users to abide by different rules and then only enforce those rules on the type of users you and your platform dislike, its censorship.
It always will be. Until the time reddit has a rule saying "no trump supporters", the website will be plagued with censorship
Also find it funny you stopped replying to my other comment because you were wrong
T_D deleting posts which dont support trump isnt censorship. Its a pro trump sub. The first rule is "be a trump supporters'
Reddit on the other hand doesnt have a rule against Trump supporters, yet feels the need to censor them
It isnt. They have their sub rules. A post breaking those rules and being deleted isnt censorship.
Reddit making up rules for 1 type of people is. Reddit going out of their way to silence people they dislike is censorship
I will never understand this argument. I would venture to say almost 20,000 are banned from t_d for literally not complying with their echo chamber lockstep. Yet now it's "muh free speech" and "muh fuck u/spez" it's so clearly 2 sided and juvenile that's why most of the website sees the sub as nothing more than a pimple on the ass that is reddit and specifically political subs
So should we ban every sub that bans people for not participating in their particular echo chamber? Because a ton of subs do that. I've been preemptively banned from subs that I had never even heard of! I think the idea is that—echo chamber or not—people would like the opportunity to view or participate in it if they so choose. I definitely visited The_Donald frequently so that I could see the counter spin of what the multiple anti-Trump subreddits had just posted. I follow Bernie pages and Clinton pages and democratic politicians and TYT and many others on Facebook, but I also follow Trump fan pages, Ron Paul pages, Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Sean Hannity, Ben Shapiro etc. Plenty of Green and Libertarian pages in the mix as well. Sometimes I agree with someone and sometimes I disagree, but in the process I at least learn about a differing perspective on an issue. What better way to come to consensus on an contentious topic than to see both sides of an argument? Most of the time, hearing the argument from the "other side" just further strengthens your convictions—fair enough. But occasionally, you realize some topics are more complicated than your initial knee-jerk reaction, and you come to a more nuanced understanding of both positions. I see both of those things as positive. On those pages I post rarely and deal with trolls frequently, but there are always truths to be found on both sides amidst the turmoil.
So I understand that it's a private company and all that, but I just like being able to visit a place where I get to see some real perspectives that I ordinarily would not get to see if that place didn't exist. And if they get annoying, I leave.
I mean I've never filtered a subreddit out of my feed, I'll look at all sides of the coverage. But it just strikes me as ironic that the loudest subreddit crying about "censorship" is the one that routinely acts like North Korea with the goddamn bans. Even very Pro-Trump people get served bans for the slightest misstep. It's like a cult.
> is the one that routinely acts like North Korea with the goddamn bans. Even very Pro-Trump people get served bans for the slightest misstep. It's like a cult.
You're just parroting things you've heard at this point...
Is it really to the same degree? If you think it is you're delusional. I'm sure people get banned from those subs for reasons similar but if you think the ban hammer gets swung in r/politics like in TD idk what you're looking at.
The fact that r/politics and r/the_Donald that can even be compared so favorably is in itself very disgusting and proof of the extreme bias of this entire website.
I've said this in the past and I'll say it again. /r/The_Donald is filled with dishonest, brainwashed extremists who have little to no sense of morality, they care nothing for others or the truth. They constantly brigade other subreddits to spread their far-right propaganda (ex: Seth Rich) and spread lies of persecution.
you libshits have had over a YEAR to provide evidence for this absurd notion of a russian conspiracy and have come out with jackshit. YOU LOST. GET OVER IT.
No, that's what a person who is surprised generally says where i come from. How about you? When I saw this post, there were no comments. This was all I could contribute before going to check it out for myself. The drama on this website is really something to behold.
When I see a bunch of trolls throwing a fit, I laugh...
Not a "wtf?" Because these guys are throwing a fit and banned themselves... They always throw fits. They're always triggered.
This is just funny. So I guess my reaction is to laugh at all the trump trolls.
>Broke rules only imposed on them and a few others which weren't enforced elsewhere
Its easy to ban people who disagree with you. You just have a bunch of broad rules and only enforce them for the people you dislike.
That is how most moderators operate at this point. Just have a ton of very broad rules so you can find an excuse to delete any post you want.
Why wouldn't the admin's follow that effective tactic? The average redditor eats it up. All it takes is a layer of deniability.
No, they distincly kept themselves in the clear by calling the president a cheeto and telling us true stories about his criminal activities and impeachable offenses. ^^^/s
T_D has followed all the special, increasingly oppressive "rules" the admins demanded of only them, as well as site-wide rules,
all the while, other subs and groups break site rules with wild abandon and full admin approval.
Attacking T_D mods and posters with downvote bots, doxxing and threats. All of which the admins ignore daily.
When T_D called admins on this hypocrisy, the admins suspended them.
I've said this in the past and I'll say it again. /r/The_Donald is filled with dishonest, brainwashed extremists who have little to no sense of morality, they care nothing for others or the truth. They constantly brigade other subreddits to spread their far-right propaganda (ex: Seth Rich).
> ~~/r/The_Donald~~ Reddit is filled with dishonest, brainwashed extremists who have little to no sense of morality, they care nothing for others or the truth.
FTFY
More like:
T_D: "Hey look at these guys breaking the rules by linking to our sub, and calling for brigades against us, here's a link."
leddit: "Banned for linking to another sub, obviously a call for brigade."
More like:
"We don't understand rules!" Why can't we just do anything we want on your website!!!!
I'm super angry my mom bastardized me, so I'm gonna call everyone online a cuck, because it makes the real world less painful."
🎶so cut my wrists and black my eyes!!!🎶
Oh you didn't like being called a faggot? Quit being such a faggot. Lol
But if you wan me to get me you get a tissue from my pile of regressive intolerant globalist stash of "fuck you and your faggot bullshit responses"... then you're gonna be waiting a looooong time.
> THE ENTIRE REDDIT HATES YOU.
Except for the what was it, 400K people that were subscribed? More if subs were being choked? You do realize those people are subbed to other places too, IE other places on reddit. "Entire reddit hates you!" pretty sure the subs disagree.
lol yet yoirr not sayimg shit about the admins *allowing* doxxing and harassment towards t_d sub and users. it is hilarious you're trying to be a voice of reason when you don't know what the fuck you're talking about because you get your info from politics
the donald is trash but no, these rules are universally ignored. the donald is the only one punished.
Its like being put into an underground ring fight and everyone else is given a knife. Referee zaps you when you try to use one. You are dead because your options are so limited but hey "no knives allowed in the deathmatch"
They set them up for failure, make them follow impossible rules and punish them when they slip. This wouldn't be such a big deal if the admins held all the other subs to the same standard they hold r/T_D to. Don't defend the admins here who suck at their jobs.
T_D has followed all the special, increasingly oppressive "rules" the admins demanded of only them, as well as site-wide rules,
all the while, other subs and groups break site rules with wild abandon and full admin approval.
Attacking T_D mods and posters with downvote bots, doxxing and threats. All of which the admins ignore daily.
When T_D called admins on this hypocrisy, the admins suspended them.
T_D censors all day every day, and you don't care. When T_D is censored, then it's a problem.
If T_D can censor within their own subreddit, why can't reddit censor them?
You're correct, and it seemed to me that the *vast* majority of users there understood that by pissing on the carpet and going against the grain, the sub would eventually be shut down.
What I don't understand right now is the outrage. It's not shut down, it's set to private by the mods.
Because Reddit should be a place for discussion regardless of viewpoint. T_D is and always has been like a political rally. You're comparing apples to oranges.
Reddit can be what they want but it's a shit business model to target a specific group simply for their political leanings. Reddit was built on free speech. If they were pulling this shit in Reddits infancy we probably wouldn't be here today.
Clearly, The_Donald is bad for business. Either way they aren't censored. They're allowed to say whatever they wanna say as long as it doesn't involve brigading or doxxing
That's not entirely accurate. There are much worse subs that are much more guilty that don't get any punishment. The mods of T_D get doxxed constantly. But Reddit never goes after left leaning subreddits that break the rules. Imagine if tax law wasn't enforced on organizations that lean right, that'd be censorship even though they're supposed to pay the taxes anyway. The problem isn't that they are enforcing their rules against The_Donald, it's that they're obviously not enforcing the rules equally.
R/anarchism has been doing this "bash the fash" thing openly calling for violence over political beliefs (ironically very fascist of them). The admins told them to stop and then r/anarchism told the admins to fuck off. Admins haven't taken any significant action since then and it's been two months. They're still calling for violence for those who disagree. There's constantly brigading and doxxing from r/enoughtrumpspam admins haven't said shit. Based on what many users have said on r/politics half of the people on there should be banned. There's constantly comments there literally calling for genocide of Trump supporters and they're usually gilded with 2000 karma.
Honestly wtf did you expect would happen on a website that is 99% liberal. Just let the gates open and have everyone brigade them all day? The mods wouldn't be able to keep up with the bans. Try modding a right leaning sub on here and tell me it's easier than modding a liberal one, conservatives are an extreme minority here and are discouraged to participate in anything here.
T_D was full of images with a story as a title and nothing to back up the story. Asking for a source to that story results in instant bans. How the fuck can they complain about censorship?
Social media censorship is just going to get worse and worse. The powers that be know that the only real opposition to establishment media propaganda is social media. So, it's gotta go.
Dude I just looked at your history. Anti-Trump spam and gay bashing. Aren't you just a special one. Super classy. Nothing you say should be taken seriously. You've had it out for The_Donald since it's creation.
T_D has followed all the special, increasingly oppressive "rules" the admins demanded of only them, as well as site-wide rules,
all the while, other subs and groups break site rules with wild abandon and full admin approval.
Attacking the T_D mods and posters with downvote bots, doxxing and threats. All of which the admins ignore daily.
When T_D called admins on this hypocrisy, the admins suspended them.
It was and most likely still will be
https://www.reddit.com/r/CringeAnarchy/comments/6bxqvg/rthe_donald_mod_is_very_oppressed_and_dangerous/dhr3h8w/
Check https://www.reddit.com/subreddits/ in a day or two, it'll be up there.
"As of 2017, Reddit had 542 million monthly visitors (234 million unique users), ranking #4 most visited web-site in US and #9 in the world. Across 2015, Reddit saw 82.54 billion pageviews, 73.15 million submissions, 725.85 million comments, and 6.89 billion upvotes from its users."
There weren't even a million in td. And I'm betting it wasn't the best subreddit for advertising revenue.
Fair enough, those are significant numbers and gives a clearer picture of the situation. I would agree that reddit wouldn't die from losing the donald, I think that's giving it too much credit. That being said, it's userbase is very active, has a lot of members that exclusively browse that subreddit and no others, and that a large number of reddit's users are lurkers with no account.
Some people from the donald think they have the leverage in this situation though and in my opinion they are dead wrong
Sometimes you gotta burn off the dead branches for something new and better to grow.
But... It is laughable that you're super super pissed off and triggered at a temporary ban because people were engaging in activities that left Reddit liable.
Harassment and threats. That's why the mods got removed.
>What extremism?
Where to begin? Pizzagate, "FAKE NEWS", Seth Rich, Breitbart, "Corporate Media/MSM", DEEP STATE, etc. It's an extremely long list, I blocked /r/The_Donald a long time ago to keep it from infecting my front page.
It's not even a temp ban. The Td mods are the ones that set it to private, not the admins. They admins only removed 3 mods. Their own subreddit did it to themselves. Literally.
You're following me around and responding like a dangerous crazy person... It's funny.
Multireplying and commenting the same thing on multiple threads.
Voat is heavily pro free speech. Everything their mods (yes mods, not admins) do is logged in public record. They don't want an echo chamber and they are much happier criticising Trump if they disagree with him.
The cultures are simply not the same. But the site is also set up such as to make the differences more noticeable.
Hahaha nice narrative you're trying to construct.
You get called a cuck and you cry rape. Lol
Let me know when someone besides another Donald fag agrees with you...
It's funny that they don't get how they break the rules doing shit like that.
They're like look at this SJW... We have some personal info on them... **let's try to ruin their lives!**
jesus this is the worst argument in the world. holy shit you're a cuck. you wouldnt be saying that if they didn't want to bake a gay couple a cake.... ***OH FUCKING WAIT!!***
I've said this in the past and I'll say it again. /r/The_Donald is filled with dishonest, brainwashed extremists who have little to no sense of morality, they care nothing for others or the truth. They constantly brigade other subreddits to spread their far-right propaganda (ex: Seth Rich) and spread lies of persecution.
lmao! oh wow you're so fucking stupid. Let me guess... Russia is behind the elections amirite?! DRUMPF IS GOING to be impeached anyway now!
want to talk retarded brainwashed extremist with no sense or morality? default subs. the hate subs. the admins. the people who can't accept Hillary lost. all of you people are exactly what you just described. the fact you chose to ignore that and project it onto another group is so fucking hilarious . good luck in life pal, you'll need it
They can do as they please. The problem is what they are doing is bs though. A new anti-Trump sub pops up every day yet all they do is go after TD over and over and over. I don't even like the place really but this sort of bias is ridiculous. Factor in the paid accounts that have been pouring into the site and it is pretty damn frustrating that people are just laughing at this.
How is what they're doing bs?
Reddit admins told the mods not to do something. They then decided to do the thing, like petulent children. They deserved their ban and demotion.
The sub going private is a result of a decision the mods of that sub.
they themselves set their subreddit to private. it's not censorship if you do it yourself. they have been brigading everywhere and all their users were engaging in it. they constantly broke rules set for everyone.
they're subreddit is private now so as you yourself have biasedly answered no. but one situation which comes to note is the french election and how they tried to motivate their users to influence the public via twitter.
Trump spam clogging up Reddit is fine so long as it's *anti-*Trump. The idea that supporters of the current US admin should have any kind of voice on one of the largest social media sites on the internet is ridiculous. I don't even know *anyone* who likes Trump, and I'd like to keep it that way- I certainly don't want to have to run across their opinions here. It's gross.
All the people begging for t_d's total removal are 100% right, this site will be a lot more interesting once everyone's back to being on the same page. Here's hoping the_donald's mods keep it shut down for good! 👍👍
Dude, the spam sites aren't informative. Just "SMALL HANDS!", "ORANGE SKIN XD", "REPUBLICANS ARE DUMB!!! WOW", etc.
It's the exact same as the Donald but left wing, you get banned for saying anything against them, so it's just a bubble with no discussion. A big circle-jerk.
It also does nothing but be annoying, no republican looks at it and changes their political views, in fact it just stoops to the_donalds level.
It is the funniest thing ever. [Reddit is the Trixie Tang to our Timmy Turner.](https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/b8/1f/cf/b81fcf967804a4f9530f39159326eeeb.jpg)
"Oh who cares about The_Drumpfster anyways hahahaha!" says the 30th straight sub on /r/all.
they haven't been on /r/all in months, you lying sack of shit. reddit has been systematically targeting and censoring them from public view and you damn well know it.
Easy there. I've seen them on r/all more than I haven't up until this whole shit storm. Maybe it's because I go pretty deep into r/all pages. Don't be rude.
Edit: ohhhh you're a T_D contributor, that explains your disposition.
lmao T_D users in here don't want to admit they broke the rules. Your freedom of speech isn't constitutionally protected on Reddit, they set the rules and they chose to break them knowing the consequences.
If everyone is breaking the rules and the rules are only selectively being enforced, the rules shouldn't be in place to begin with.
Making rules against everything and only banning people or groups that you don't like is simply tyranny calling itself order.
it's funny cause these are the same people who say news outlets should be criminally charged unless they reveal their sources, that a woman arrested for laughing deserved it, and so on
Haven't been following that sub because it's a shitshow, but I remember seeing a drama subreddit thread on all about them getting pissy a few days ago. I checked TD out, and there were threads created in TD for the sole purpose of breaking Reddit rules. So yeah, they pretty much deserve this.
i was on T_D like a year ago, but they have just gotten more and more retarded as time has gone on, i'm not even american either so seeing less of trump on reddit is fine by me. their memes are fucking terrible too
The Donald is exactly what you retards dont want reddit to be, and think its turning into.
Getting rid of anyone who doesnt directly push an agenda.
Nobody ever defended Nazi Germany saying "oh they should be left alone to be their own country because thats what we believe"
The very people you are defending are outright against the believes you are using to justify your defense of them. Look passed the politics and look at this objectivly, christ.
First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
Reddit is going right to shit.
"user driven content"... but only the content we want that supports our political agenda.
WTF?
Talk about crybaby bitch ass whiny kids
The Donald is at least 70% bots or paid accounts so don't say they don't break rules...
And before the election they were by far the loudest most disruptive sub in this entire website
This reminds me of that time my sister wanted to have practice sex to prepare for her date. She came home after school one day all flustered and said that her crush would only date her if they had sex after dinner. Mind you she was 16 and this dude was 19 (got held back a few years), while I myself was 11.
I didn't have a suit so I put on my dad's which was hilariously oversized, even if I was pretty big for my age and did as she asked. I love my sister so I didn't question much but when she wanted to practice kissing after eating I got a little nervous so I backed out a little. We ended up doing that thing the dogs did in Lady & the Tramp which made it a little less awkward.
My sister had never had sex before, and obviously neither had I. She had no real formal sex education (bible belt) but had seen a porno flick after sneaking into the theater last year. I'm guessing that's where her knowledge came from because she had some pretty detailed requests, asking me to take off her bra and rub her breast, and in turn she would take off my pants and poke my weiner. We went to her bedroom and she gently tied me to the frame with her bra and took off her underwear. I didn't know what was going on and I didn't have any real sexual attraction to my sister but I got a slight chubby and she got on top of me and slid it in her vagina. She told me that she'd do all the work because I didn't know how and kinda started jumping up and down on my semi. This scared my penis flaccid so we gave up.
Anyways, we cannot let him have the nuclear codes.
How is being a nationalist a nazi? What the fuck are you talking about?
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na·tion·al·ist
ˈnaSH(ə)nələst/
noun
1.
a person who advocates political independence for a country.
"a Scottish nationalist"
adjective
1.
relating to nationalists or nationalism.
"a nationalist movement"
You do understand hitler was a failed liberal arts student. Who was mad becuase he didnt have the work ethic to get into art school. And wasnt a nationalist persay but believe more in the superiority of the aryan race, he got alot of his thinking from roman historians about germanic tribes.
Aaaaaand as a nationalist myself i dont care what color or sex you are, our country is my first concern
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Modmail the admins sent to t_d: http://i.imgur.com/OsMgLEi.jpg
**Since there seems to be some confusion regarding these 'additional rules' t_d is under, let me clarify:**
- they are not allowed to mention other subreddits by name in thread titles
- they are not allowed to mention /r/politics anywhere
- the entire /r/all ranking algorithm was changed to make t_d less prominent, by severely reducing the number of posts from a single subreddit that could reach the frontpage
- their stickies are prevented from showing in /r/all **but** they still count against the number of posts from t_d that can reach the frontpage, making it doubly harder for t_d to get to /r/all
These rules are imposed on t_d only, while the entire rest to the site is allowed to mention it, directly link to it, [use bots to push unlimited anti-Trump content to the frontpage](https://www.reddit.com/r/RedditCensors/comments/69hblx/100_bombproof_evidence_of_massive_botting_in/?ref=search_posts) and so on.
The current mod removals are due to those 3 mods refusing to enforce the extra rules imposed on t_d, not the normal sitewide rules.
These rules are not imposed on /r/The_Donald only, /r/esist and /r/EnoughTrumpSpam also have these rules imposed on them and have been complying with them without issue.
The first line in my sticky comment is a screenshot of an admin message explicitly mentioning the additional rules.
As for the specific rules, I'm hunting down archived references to them, which is a bit hard since t_d went private and I can't just search the subreddit for the threads where they were announced.
You made the claim that no other subs have these rules imposed on them. Where is your evidence of that?
Edit: As expected, no response. Spout out bullshit claims with zero evidence and censor any dissenting opinions. It's The_Donald way!
You mean the original submission where the claim was made? That's not evidence.
The point you guys don't seem to get is that others have said that additional rules are imposed on other subs, as well. You're asking for evidence of that, but you have no evidence otherwise. The only thing you know is that t_d has had additional rules imposed on them. Not that they're the only sub like that.
You can't prove a negative. That's like asking me to prove you never raped anybody. Whoever makes the claim that something is or happened has to provide evidence.
If other subs are subjected to bullshit additional rules, provide evidence or your claim is meaningless.
You can't make the claim that t_d is the only sub subjected to certain restrictions and then ask for proof that others are too. The burden of proof is on the person who made that initial statement.
Once again, you can't prove a negative. How could he possible prove nobody else is under the restrictions? You can easily disprove it by proving a single other sub is under those special rules.
Go for it.
I'm not the one who made the claim that nobody else is subject to those rules. That's the whole fucking point, genius. If it's not something that is provable, then don't whine about the bullshit claim.
https://imgur.com/saTBt6v
I don't think you're following or reading the message on t_d, it's them making the claim. Further, you haven't shown any proof of other subs having the same rules applied to them like u/g_petronius did.
The message doesn't say all that. Is there another source document that specifies what these rules are? What the document says is simply that /r/the_donald has been "fostering an enviornment of threats and harassment toward users and antagonism toward other communities."
While the purpose of the sub is to support President Trump, I can verify that it has instead been antagonistic towards communities that are not even on Reddit, communities that do need help but that already "Make America Great:" public research universities where 80% of Americans who earn degrees earn them and who produce research that gives America competitive advantage.
I think if we are to make America great again that it doesn't help to push people into antagonism against what makes it great but that Republicans have underfunded for the past 17 years.
Just me and my 💕daddy💕, hanging out I got pretty economically unstable🍆 so I started to pout 😞 He asked if I was down ⬇for something revolutionary 😍🍆 and I asked what and he said he'd give me his ☭commies!☭ Yeah! Yeah!💕☭ I equally distribute wealth!☭ I expand my glorious regime!☭ I swallow countries whole☭ 😍 It makes 💘daddy💘 😊happy😊 so it's my only goal... 💕☭😫Harder daddy! Harder daddy! 😫☭💕 1 commie☭, 2 commie☭☭, 3 commie☭☭☭, 4☭☭☭☭ I'm 💘daddy's💘 👑czar 👑but I'm also a socialist! 💟 He makes me feel safe💗!He makes me feel nationalistic💜! 💘💘💘He makes me feel everything a little ☭commie☭ should!~ 💘💘💘 👑☭💘Wa-What!💘☭👑
I still find it amusing that leftists will copy all the terms and descriptives we used for them "Snowflake, triggered, etc.".
Can't even bantz for themselves, the only thing they really can do is cry and run and tell. Recently, they tried dipping their feet in to test the water to see if violence would work and "oops" that didn't work so well either. So now I guess we are back to snitching and crying; solid, proven tactic. Boppo!
Every mention of this archive im TD - https://archive.fo/fLqLc gets instantly removed without an explanation.
The controversial part is dic_pix's comment near the bottom of the archive that got his acc banned as soon as he posted it. Not long after that TD went private and started censoring the whole archive.
Has TD been compromised?
I may or may not have gotten carried away and commented here without fully finding out if it was pro-trump or not. But goddamn, scrolling thru r/all and finding nothing but the_donald related shit, makes you wanna filter out EVERYTHING that mentions Trump
"Free speech" Fucking lol. They're bigger parrots than anyone else and dissenting opinions are met with incredibly loud autistic screeches before the inevitable ban.
Continuously break site-wide rules on spamming, releasing personal info, inciting violence, harassing and threatening users, and yet you people still don't understand why you're punished? Don't break rules then throw a hissy fit when they make you behave. Y'all should've learned this last week in homeroom
waaaahhhh, boo fucking hoo. you witch hunt you get cut, easy as that.
this site is a slightly better place without those three. I'd say it's a much better place but I know they've all got alt accounts and they were back to trying within minutes. and there are thousands more just like them, as evidenced by this sub. if you could all just go away that'd be great.
Even if the_donald was as bland as possible and its users didn't break *any* rules, ever, the people complaining about it wouldn't care. They don't want diversity of speech on Reddit, that's the point.
Removed without warning? Now that's some grade A bullshit.
OhSnapYouGotServed was warned several times. Probably much more of a warning than we would get as regular users if we had doxxed a few people.
r/altright or whatever was banned similarly. /t_d has gotten a lot of leniency.
They're not supposed to link to other subreddits because the userbase was insta-brigading threads they didn't agree with, which is against site rules. So instead of banning them they gave them the choice to not link to other subreddits.
As far as the algorithm change? Is it kind of bullshit? Yes. But it's absolutely what was requested by a majority of Reddit. The only people that like t_d getting to the front page is t_d.
They blatantly and opening broke the rules that they've had warnings about. I'm surprised they got suspended too. You would think it would be a ban.
T_D wanted to be abrasive and in your face. Then they want to be mad when no one likes them. Then they're surprised the get punished for breaking the rules.
They're like the kid that chants "not touching you, can't get mad, not touching you can't get mad" and is then surprised when someone punches them. Is the reaction against them extreme? Maybe. But they disregarded every warning and continued the garbage.
The_Donald is free to go elsewhere.
Reddit is not a public resource. And as the rest of us watch ignorant, racist, misogynistic stooges destroy the USA because these are the same people that quote the Constitution quote the Bible ... and they have read neither.
Those people aren't going to offer useful legal advice about censorship in the USA.
Reddit telling TD to GTFO is not censorship anymore than throwing two people in a bar fight out of the bar.
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