Recently even one of Reddit's founders, Steve Huffman wrote an announcement complaining [about Reddit's alleged Russian bot/troll problem.](https://www.reddit.com/r/announcements/comments/827zqc/in_response_to_recent_reports_about_the_integrity/) After [examining some of the sources](https://www.reddit.com/r/announcements/comments/827zqc/in_response_to_recent_reports_about_the_integrity/dvb8uhs/) of the pro-Hillary, American Democratic whiners that keep this myth alive, I found that the allegedly powerful Internet Research Agency of Russia with its puny $1.25 million monthly budget [is directed toward domestic and international audiences](https://www.justice.gov/file/1035477/download) and thus even all that small million dollar sum wasn't directed to interfering in the 2016 American election. Meanwhile [the Clinton campaign spent $1.2 billion and the Trump campaign $612 million](https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-much-did-russian-interference-affect-the-2016-election/), so by comparison even if Russia invested $1.25 million solely into the American election, it still wouldn't influence much. Infact on Reddit the only thing I have noticied time and again is that on almost every subreddit if you don't simply circlejerk against Russia and support the media war mongering against Russia, it will be bad for your karma and ["because having higher karma is desired, users behave in ways that will get them karma"](https://web.archive.org/web/20130214071406/http://jeffdechambeau.com/redditing-to-the-mean.html), which in this case involves bashing Russia. In my real life workplace and day to day conversation there is no concern for finding a Russian under everyone's bed contrary to this internet political discussion furor. All that Russia misdirection has allowed the arguable largest national vote brigading and botting group to get far, far less attention than they deserve: the Turkish brigaders, trolls and botfarms. In thread after thread I noticie the top voted comments are mostly Turks having a monologue with other Turks, it is a surreal and pathetic scene: https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/85a3q3/turkishbacked_forces_have_taken_full_control_of/ https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/83lvb0/turkish_mosque_attack_with_molotov_cocktails_in/ Practially all of /r/syriancivilwar(a really shitty ultra-censoring sub full of mostly nerds thousands of miles away) and /r/combatfootage is a never ending Turkish state propaganda wankfest ever since Turkey invasion of Afrin dubbed with the Orwellian title "Operation Olive Branch" started. Have Russia/Russians ever been able to turn /r/worldnews, /r/europe into circlejerks of their state's official talking points as much? Russia may have a weak and tentative state social media program, but the actual Russian population is not fanatic to turn into millions of footsoldiers for the program. Russia also cannot get 20,000-40,000 people in Germany to attend a Putin rally, but [the fanatic Turkish diaspora can turn out those numbers when Erdogan visits the Turkish immigrant colonists of Germany](http://www.dw.com/en/erdogan-demos-and-counterprotests-put-cologne-on-edge/a-19440544) who have no intention of assimilating. Turkey has a state social media program and the ultra-nationalist population to back it up. To give an idea of how fanatic the Turkish population is, watch this old AKP election video titled [Millet Eğilmez.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80J0FCe69to) A [text description by the anthropologist Jenny White](https://www.the-american-interest.com/2015/02/02/the-turkish-complex/) who focuses on Turkey: >The AKP video for the 2014 local election showed a mysterious stranger in a foreign-looking trench coat cutting the rope that held up an enormous Turkish flag. As the falling flag’s ominous shadow floated across the land, citizens of every persuasion began to run toward the flagpole, masses of them diving into the Bosphorus to swim to the flag’s rescue. In a chilling special-effects ending, citizens swarm on top of each other to create an enormous cone-shaped hive, seen from the sky. One young man, his face aglow with fervor, climbs on the backs of the others to the top of the pile and grabs the broken end of the rope, flinging himself outward to certain death while pulling the flag back up. That election video presented the Turkish population as a fanatic zombie like mass or Zerg herd(Starcraft) and it actually worked, in Turkey. While in Western societies it would have backfired for insulting the nation as a fanatic, dumb mass. But Turks are proud to be a fanatic, ignorant, ultra-nationalist, bloothirsty mob so it worked! And that is also why the Turkish state's social media efforts are much more effective and potent on Reddit than Russia's or those of other nations. Turkey has massively insulted almost every country with its diplomacy and engaged in patently hostile actions in an official matter against almost every Western country that matters, and yet on a Western dominated medium like Reddit, Turkish brigaders, trolls and bots are amazingly able to bully their positions through again and again. Here is just a small fraction of the articles about the Turkish state's inverventions on the internet: http://www.techeye.net/news/how-turkish-trolls-tried-to-kill-movie http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424127887323527004579079151479634742 https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130924/03084024634/turkish-government-aims-to-create-6000-strong-social-media-propaganda-squad.shtml http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/twitter-moves-to-rein-in-robot-lobbies-in-turkey.aspx?pageID=238&nID=63826&NewsCatID=339 http://techpresident.com/news/wegov/24867/think-erdogan-will-delete-his-18k-strong-twitter-bot-army-quest-wipe-out-twitter http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2015/09/turkey-elections-akp-mulls-dumping-social-media-trolls.html http://www.dailydot.com/layer8/turkey-social-media-yeni-safak-facebook-twitter-manipulation/ https://twitter.com/grantwahl/status/473941181487800322 Time and time again, whenever I try to counter Turkish propaganda on Reddit my posts are deleted and very funny activities happen with voting: https://www.reddit.com/r/badhistory/comments/7x8ea2/rturkey_captured_flag_of_greekgreek_cypriot/ (I would cite more but even ceddit is not indexing a lot of the deletions...) Recently I had an accidental hint at what is really happening behind the scenes. A while ago I read a great article about [the Turkish embassy in Belgium being the source of threats to journalists in that country(https://stockholmcf.org/turkish-embassy-turns-out-to-be-source-of-threats-sent-to-journalists-in-belgium/)(mostly Turkish ones) and [posted it to /r/belgium.](https://www.reddit.com/r/belgium/comments/7tgohb/turkish_embassy_turns_out_to_be_source_of_threats/) It seemed to be very welcomed by the actual userbase there, infact if you check the related discussion tab, after I posted that article on their own several people who frequent that sub reposted the same article to other subs. I checked the post history of one of the Erdogan shills on that thread and got a brief glimpse at what is the real power of Turkish partisans, of Reddit, they don't care about free speech in any sense and are willing to censor their oponnents. I found that an Islamist Kosovo Albanian "Ottoman seed leftover" and self proclaimed Erogan fan created a thread to not only censor that thread but to get mods to filter the media source I posted in the future! >[/r/belgiummeta: Turkish embassy ](https://www.reddit.com/r/belgiummeta/comments/7tm8tb/turkish_embassy/) >Dear mods, >I urge you to check the source of that post, and ponder whether such propaganda could not be considered 'haat zaaien' when paired with the message it delivers concerning a large portion of the migrant population of the country this subreddit represents. >This is nothing more than slander en masse. And as usual on Reddit the useless waste of space mods instead of defending free speech, instead felt powerful and haughty at being presented yet another chance to abritrate what information we should or should not be able to access since they already accidently stumbled on internet power and authority that most of them anyway shouldn't have: >The source of that post seems to be a propaganda outlet, yeah. I'll start up a discussion with the other mods whether or not we should start filtering out such content - same with the Gatestone Institute article posted earlier. >Most users on r/belgium seem to be critical enough to spot propaganda when they see it, but it's still annoying. If you go on that meta thread you will be greeted with the familiar [deleted] seen all over on Reddit... On [Youtube biased Tyrone posted a hilarious critique of 4chan janitors(which is their term for mods)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdC_Cu9X4wc) that applies equally well to Reddit mods: >He is a janitor on the internet, on an anime image board. He does it for free. He takes his job very seriously. He does because it is the only amount of power and control he will ever have in his pathetic life. He deletes threads he doesn't like, because whenever he gets upset he has an asthma attack. He deletes threads he doesn't like because they interfer with the large backlog of inter-Chinese girl cartoons he still has to watch. He will never have a real job. He will never move out of his parent's house. He will never be at a healthy weight. He will never know how to cook anything besides a Hot Pocket[American microwaveable sandwhich pocket]. He will never have a girlfriend. He will never have any friends. ... Indeed the German Marshall Fund recently published the results of shocking study that shows how rooted the Turkish penchant for totalitarianism against the Turkish political party that Turkish citizens feel most distant to is: >[German Marshall Fund: Dimensions of Polarization in Turkey](http://www.gmfus.org/publications/dimensions-polarization-turkey) >About half of the respondents supported wiretapping the phones of supporters of the “other party,” and 37 percent said they are against participation of the members of this group in elections. In my experience most Reddit mods are the social losers of the West and should not even hold the internet authority they do. So when Turks massively complain and report posts instead of that making them angry at Turkish attempts of censorship and instead of them taking action against constantly reporting whiners turning Reddit into a shithole of threads full of the word [deleted], they instead feel an ego boost as the Turkish complaints recognize their authority to delete material! Indeed there is even some Greek loser neckbeard mod that only posts mostly about vidya games and to janitor on /r/europe, /u/greekball who [frequently reports my posts again and again with the goal of getting me banned from Reddit subs and Reddit.](https://www.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/7vcapb/here_lies_the_patriots_hopes_and_dreams_for_super/dts2u14/) In the glory days of the pre-Reddit internet during the "phpbb era" on the better forums such whiners would be looked at as vermin but those cowards are the probably the secret to why Reddit discussion after discussion is full of [deleted] comment chains. Now I cannot prove that appealing to the vanity and authority of Reddit's neckbeard mods is why Turkish vote brigaders are so successful on Reddit, but it is a start. **Why do you guys think the Turks are able to bias Reddit so easily?** Aside: Isn't pathetic /u/kn0thing suppossed to be half-Armenian, shouldn't he be concerned that the nation that committed and denies the Armenian genocide is so easily able to game Reddit again and again? Instead of talking about that publicly, Reddit is co-operating with the Western mainstream media in looking for a Russian under everyone's bed... I have yet to found a Russian there despite what the corporate controlled media war-mongers write.