Just heard, honestly unbelievable. Reddit admins and u/spez should be ashamed with how much censorship they endorse and enforce on a daily basis. 1984 type shit
r/the_donald should also be pretty ashamed for the same reason. -edit: IF you think it's okay to make a political subreddit into a fucking echo chamber you're just wrong. It makes everyone stupid and stubborn. -edit2: Do you guys really not understand the whole "ITS A PRIVATE SPACE THEY CAN DO WHAT THEY WANT" argument is the exact same one Reddit uses?
No, it means if you want to either debate or join the rest of the liberal circle jerk you can go literally anywhere else on reddit.
Though debate is arguable. Espouse a conservative viewpoint and risk a ban at the 'neutral' subreddits like news or politics.
I'm aware, I'm banned from pretty much everywhere. The Donald is a political subreddit, those especially should be open to outside criticism. If your political beliefs exist in a vacuum, you're probably going to become a tyrant. What kind of an argument is "Well these other people do it too"
it's not a matter of necessity - it's a matter of how they choose to run their subreddit.
a broad, open forum for public use does not fall under that category. At least, in an ideal world. we've been seeing this shit a lot more on facebook and twitter. freedom of speech isn't real online.
1. You don’t fight censorship with censorship.
2. T_D is the only place on reddit to talk about pro-Trump topics, and it’s right on the sidebar that they’re a 24/7 pro-Trump rally. It’s not a platform for multiple communities. Try going on /r/vegan and telling them how good meat is, or /r/bodybuilding and tell them it’s an unhealthy lifestyle. They’re specific subreddits for an intended audience. Reddit is the platform. Reddit is doing the censorship, not individual subreddits.
That is real funny because they were quarantined because they didn't censor *enough* and because leftists like you kept creating accounts and posting things that were against the sitewide rules in old posts that few people read. Of course, instead of pressing the report button, those posts where directly linked to the admins so the mods didn't even know about them.
Like how because you find objection with something you are immediately associated with the accusers "enemy"?
No room for debate whatsoever. Everyone who doesn't hold their ideology is an enemy ...
After the latest project Veritas video they're all on high alert getting everything censored away. Since it's out in the open that they're going to use everything in their power to sway the election to their way, they're just going for it.
[Right here amigo](https://www.projectveritas.com/2019/06/24/insider-blows-whistle-exec-reveals-google-plan-to-prevent-trump-situation-in-2020-on-hidden-cam/)
This is going to hurt the Democrats so bad during the election. This is going to energize the Republican base and youth voters like no rally, promise, position, or candidate ever could.
reddit really only has a small, small piece of the US population. I don't think this is going to be the big push, but the general censorship attitude of multiple websites and media outlets is certainly piling up straws for people that were on the fence. And the lack of censorship when it's against straight, white males/people.
There was a post a few days ago that hit the front page showing there's been a 2 year trend in decreasing acceptance of far left LGBTQ. I have every reason to believe that that is a symptom of the socio-political pendulum swinging back, from the left, towards the center and then further right. People are more active now and noticing agendas being pushed and getting tired of it.
Even online, there's less reporting of violence involving law enforcement when that was plastered everywhere from 2010 on to 2016-2017. Trump being elected was absolutely a response to the pendulum swinging, whether you like him or not, he is the Republican president of the United States of America and there are quite a few other trends I notice that I can almost guarantee that the next president will either be a Republican or a center-right Democrat. I'll bet **$**100 on that.
I realize that subbing to T_D is going to auto-ban me from a ton of other subs, even if I never post on it, but now I'm subbing purely to spite the censorship.
> I realize that subbing to T_D is going to auto-ban me from a ton of other subs, even if I never post on it, but now I'm subbing purely to spite the censorship.
So you hate sub-reddits that censor? Why your support of TD then?
I hate that the company reddit (do we make it capital R in Reddit or stylized lowercase r for the name?) censors. Large, social companies should not pick sides when it comes to something like politics. I don't care if a sub does, to me, subs are made to be small pockets of echo chambers. I also dislike those subs that outwardly present as neutral which censor valid ideas that do not follow their agenda.
If you see T_D, just by name alone you know it isn't going to be friendly to **a lot** of ideas, it's going to be divisive, and it's probably going to be all sorts of terrible, that's just the nature of Trump and his biggest supporters, but if you see a sub like Politics or World News, then they should present unbiased and uncensored politics and news, when they do not.
I would probably fall on the center-left in terms of political/moral compass, when I was much more liberal years ago, so I guess I could lump myself in the trends that I see. It's less about supporting TD and more about me having my most tepid and petty protest against the company.
> I hate that the company reddit (do we make it capital R in Reddit or stylized lowercase r for the name?) censors.
So you hate conservative forums (freeper, ar15.com, conservativesforum.com, ) as well then right?
> If you see T_D, just by name alone you know it isn't going to be friendly to a lot of ideas, it's going to be divisive,
No, like /news /politics /world news t_d is the very opposite of diverse. TD was on the neocon side (not to be confused with conservative) and /news /politics /world news are leftist fascists.
I made a couple of slight edits so your post might need a few additions, but I have zero opinion of those forums. Never been on them and only just learned that freeper and conservativesforum existed when you brougth them up. Like I said, if you know what you're getting into and a forum named conservatives forum or ar15 is pretty clear, then it's an echo chamber anyway. If the forum was called FairPolitics or just Politics and they censored the left or the right, then it's a problem. Even if the forum was called ToyCarCollectors.com and they banned talk about hotwheels, it's awfully petty of me, but I'd have an issue.
I also said divisive, not diverse. Which appears to be what you agree with, based on your statement.
Neocons want wars, T_D is anti-war. I understand you have your own political beliefs and that's cool, but you should try and get the terminology right.
Here again you idiot, is a highly upvoted comment in T_D talking shit about neocons and celebrating how Trump avoids war.
https://old.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/c6r0th/after_some_very_important_meetings_including_my/
How fucking ignorant are you?
I’ve been censored by a few subs just for expressing negative views of gay and Muslim politics. Politics means there is more than one way or side.
If I express negative views of conservatives, I may get an argument, but no censorship yet.
> I’ve been censored by a few subs just for expressing negative views of gay and Muslim politics.
You cowards banned anyone not agreeing with everything trump says. What's the difference?
Suddenly you want protection from censorship?
Sounds cowardly and hypocritical.
Censorship is censorship. Don't engage in a behavior then whine when someone else does.
it's like that bully on the playground running around punching little kids then crying to the yard duty teacher when they finally pick on the wrong kid and get a fat lip.
Yeah censorship is indeed censorship and it is censorship if you express an opinion that isn't 100% pro trump and get banned and your comment removed because of that
Any alternative websites to reddit. It has been shit for a long time, but the recent burn everything that doesn't fit our narrative is pushing the limits. I know there are always the chans to fall back on, but is there anything else?
No, I think the Far Right Ethno-Nationalists should have a subreddit, any Neo-Nazi groups should have a subreddit... Hell, let the pedophiles have a subreddit. So long as you aren't breaking any laws, you should be able to be as retarded a degenerate as you want to be.
Completely censored? Dude, it was quarantined, chill. And besides, there was a perfectly valid reason to quarantine it too. The last time I visited there, I saw people practically pissing on John McCain's grave and implying that they were happy he was dead. Reddit's been easy on T_D for a loooooooong time, but we all knew (including the members of the subreddit themselves) that this was eventually gonna happen. When T_D's mods start actually caring about death threats and other ToS breaches, they'll get unquarantined. But until then, they will have to face the consequences of their uncivil political discourse. Don't worry, all you sane conservatives still have r/conservative, unless all of the T_D scumbags migrate there (which will probably happen anyways).
What else were they supposed to do? Reddit, as a corporation, has every legal right to censor whomever they want. If it makes their platform look bad (primarily to advertisers, because money fuels ethics when it comes to corporations), of course they're gonna censor it. Same exact thing YouTube does. I'm not saying it's right, but that's the way it works. They are not a government entity. They are not bound by the First Amendment. You have every right to complain about this, but not to cry foul in legal terms.
I already explained to you why it isn't immoral. T_D continuously failed to comply with Reddit's ToS, so they got banned. If anything, I'd argue that they were treated *better* than other subs with similar violations, and the reason for that is obvious - spez knew this would happen. He knew that T_D users would go nuts over this, and use the ban as evidence to support their claim that Trump supporters are "oppressed" by Reddit, the media, the deep state, and any other metaphorical balls of shit they thought would stick to the ceiling. It's extremely ironic, actually - the same people who throw a hissy fit every time they see someone playing the victim are now trying to victimize themselves. I'm shocked. Really, I am (just kidding, of course I'm not). In the end, they can cry censorship all they want, but I hope they don't expect anyone to take them seriously (I know I sure as hell won't). And of course, I'm sure they'll continue to call themselves "free thinkers", because that's *definitely* what they are. Having a temper tantrum just like u/spez predicted they would... yup, that's the *exact* thing that comes to mind when I think of the phrase "independent thought". *Totally.*
Sure buddy. Everything is so above board everywhere else and TD is super evil. We all believe you and the shills too. Sure buddy I super believe you . Let’s censor more for a harmonious society. That’ll do it
Did you even read what I actually wrote? Or are you just *that* fucking retarded? I'm gonna go with the latter, because you've given me plenty of reason to. But, I'll address your points anyways, because I honestly have nothing better to do.
1. I never said T_D was super evil, and you know that. They still broke the rules though, so their getting quarantined was absolutely justified. You also know that I never said everything else on Reddit was all puppies and rainbows. There are a lot of pther political subreddits I don't like, many of them being left-wing, but unlike T_D, they didn't violate Reddit's ToS.
2. Ah yes, the oldest trick in the book... calling everyone you disagree with a "shill" or "russian bot". And yes, I am aware that the left wing uses the latter frequently. I'm not a fan of that, either. But either way, it's all in the same vein as calling something "fake news"... if you don't like the truth, just make up your own version of it, right? We call them "alternative facts" where I'm from.
3. Again, I never said censorship would lead to a more "harmonious society", or whatever the fuck you just pulled out of your ass. I don't give a damn whether T_D is or is not quarantined, but I'll defend Reddit's decision any day, because they were in the right. If r/conservative got quarantined, I would have argued against Reddit's decision, because I don't agree with it (unless they broke the ToS, which I don't think they have so far). But, ultimately, they are a private company, so they can do whatever the hell they want in regards to censorship. I "super believe" everything you just said was a strawman argument, because, *again*, I didn't say any of those things. Not even close.
If you would like to try again, please insert five bullshit coins. Your current balance: 999 999 999+
This is the reason I keep calling you a dumbass. Instead of responding to my actual arguments, you seem to prefer arguing with the Scarecrow on my neighbor's wheat field. Half of the stuff you claimed I said, I never said at all. Rather than refuting my actual points, you would prefer to twist my words into a strawman of your own creation. Hence the term "a strawman argument".
Sure. But I'm not going to give you examples of T_D's bullshittery until you give me some examples of r/politics' "radicalism", because you started this. Go ahead... I'll wait.
Don’t tell me that you’re - with a straight face - going to pretend that there’s never been an inappropriate comment made by any person on the internet on /r/politics , ever. Nobody takes your argument seriously except people who are trying to attack a certain group of people.
I unlike you am not here to attack or blame anyone for the actions of a few that do not necessarily represent them.
Your narrative is too basic and it won’t work on free thinkers
1. I'm not saying that nobody on r/politics has said something that broke the ToS. The difference is that the moderators of that sub *actually banned them*. Meanwhile, T_D's mods remove anything and everything that even slightly criticizes their Orange God Emperor, and leave everything else (including death threats and the like) intact until someone calls them out on it.
2. Like I said, it's not about the actions of a few. It's about the inaction of the moderators on this kind of behavior. I can get banned in less than twenty-four hours for saying manmade climate change is a scientific fact, yet it would take a week or two and a ton of negative exposure from subs like r/TopMindsOfReddit to get a simple death threat removed. Does that sound fair to you? No, of course not.
3. My "narrative" will work just fine when presented to an *actual* free thinker, because I use common sense and factual information in my arguments. True purveyors of independent thought don't feel the need to call themselves "free-thinkers", because they know their way of speaking easily communicates that to any rational human being.
Been a long time since I actually looked at /r/politics (it’s useless to even read) but one difference between those subs is that one is openly partisan (fan club for and the other purports to be nom-partisan).
I've heard this argument about a million times. It has some actual basis, sure, but it doesn't change the fact that T_D broke the ToS. If I had said "lol T_D is bad because they ban everyone who disagrees", then that argument probably would have made a lot more sense (as a counter). However, that's not what I was trying to point out. I am simply saying that T_D broke the ToS, and r/politics did not. It really doesn't go much farther than that unless you take into account my personal political opinion, which only serves to supplement the argument I'm making (rather than form the entirety of it). Although, it seems to be distracting you a little *too* much, so if you like, I can just leave that stuff out. That way, you have nothing to disagree with in my argument except for Reddit's ToS... which isn't really my problem. In fact, it's 100% a *you* problem.
Here's a sneak peek of /r/hillaryclinton using the [top posts](https://np.reddit.com/r/hillaryclinton/top/?sort=top&t=year) of the year!
\#1: [Hillary Clinton attended a memorial to 9/11 victims when she had pneumonia. And Fox laughed about it. Trump skipped an event to honor our soldiers who died overseas because it's raining. After all, snowflakes melt when they get wet.](https://twitter.com/kurteichenwald/status/1061475201949544448) | [10 comments](https://np.reddit.com/r/hillaryclinton/comments/9w7yt2/hillary_clinton_attended_a_memorial_to_911/)
\#2: [Breaking News: Michael Cohen sentenced to 3 years in prison](https://i.imgur.com/SIvo7mQ.png) | [18 comments](https://np.reddit.com/r/hillaryclinton/comments/a5kgv9/breaking_news_michael_cohen_sentenced_to_3_years/)
\#3: [I'm old enough to remember when Hillary Clinton didn't have an emotional breakdown during her 11 hour hearing...](https://twitter.com/itsAdamJSmith/status/1045427460408586241?s=19) | [19 comments](https://np.reddit.com/r/hillaryclinton/comments/9jtmp9/im_old_enough_to_remember_when_hillary_clinton/)
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If /r/hillaryclinton were to get banned for whatever reason and they *did* censor people frequently, I'd find that just as funny.
> We shouldn’t ban the latter.
I don't think /r/The_Donald was banned for censoring users.
Yes they should be banned for breaking the rules, but the mods also have a responsibility in keeping these types of things under control. They signed up to be a mod, they have to do their job now.
If that was it, why haven't all the leftists calling for murder / violence been banned?
Hint: Because the admins approve of the targeting of those people.
Hard to defend the cowards in "the_donald" who ban anything not exactly following their party line.
Live by censorship (the sword) die by censorship (the sword).
Tough shit cowards.
I would argue that being downvoted is a form of censorship. Just because it's perpetuated by the people who frequent the sub (and probably some bots) doesn't mean they aren't consciously trying to hide dissenting opinions or even worse, prevent people from even sharing such opinions in the first place.
> being downvoted in /politics is not censoring
dipshit, nobody said "downvote". Posts are pulled and users banned daily for daring to post anything right of stalin.
> Nobody gets banned from /politics for calling out Obama or Trump
A flat out lie. you know it, I know it, and the limp dick censors know it.
Where's the post on this week's youtube leak? Censored by the leftists
Where's the posts decrying the violence towards women? Censored by the leftists
Where's the posts calling out the slavers in the mid-east? Censored by the leftists
Why are posts still up calling for violence against slightly right people & groups. Because it's condoned by the leftists.
That's just the tip of the iceberg.
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