You have to remember what rules really are. They are simply there to be selectively enforced. The long chain of human history shows zero evidence that rules are universal.
Not condoning OP's activities - but doesn't preemptively banning people based on their post history sound bad? Maybe good for filtering spambots, but still, a lazy way to do that at best.
You are absolutely right. A 60 second glance at OP’s profile and I found like a dozen racist af comments. He probably got banned for being a total shitstain. Yeah technically saying racist shit is free speech, but reddit isn’t the government and is under zero obligation to allow him to spew “blacks this and blacks that” kind of garbage. GFYS /u/LovefromStalingrad. Or better yet, read a book if you’re actually that racist and not some troll from the IRC
Oh so you *are admitting* that you’re a racist?
Surely your big brain must know that in-group variation is much larger than inter-group variation on every one of those metrics? That’s like.. criminology fact #1, and it makes it entirely useless to draw inferences on any metric in order to make a predictive assessment on any individual.
Considering behavioral traits are genetic and and you are still making the dumb "more variation within than between" argument, it's still Lewontin's fallacy.
Wrong again. Behavioral traits are *partially genetic* and largely environmentally influenced. Not only is this scientific fact, it’s self-evident when you look at any individual case of a crime.
Again. Wrong. Jury is still out on proportion of each contribution. I could find just as many studies that support my side as you could yours. *Even if* it were true that it was mostly genetic, it wouldn’t make being a racist PoS any more excusable. Whatever happened to judging people based on a meritocracy? Seems like a pretty depressing and shitty way to walk though life prejudging everyone based solely on their skin color. I honestly feel sad that you navigate life in this way.
Any single person I meet I judge based on their own merits. I'm gonna tell you something I bet you wouldn't expect. I've *never* had an unpleasant interaction with someone of another race. I make friends with basically everyone I meet. I've also only lived in nice areas though.
The problem comes when speaking of society at large. Like this "white privilege" myth. Since these people consider genetic differences literally impossible and wont entertain them for a second then it *has* to be white people holding non whites down. This is exactly what led to the holocaust. Jews are smarter than Germans and so had more control than they "should" in German society. Hitler invents a Jewish privilege myth. He creates a rape and revenge ideology where the German people were raped by Jews and must take revenge.
If Hitler had accepted IQ data that clearly showed why Jews had so much influence and wealth there would have been no holocaust. I would prefer to not have a race war so we need to accept these biological realities, lest one become inevitable.
I actually take issue with very little of this last comment. I’m also astounded at some of the anti-scientific garbage coming from the modern left. However, I still think it’s despicable for you to use these race generalizations in off-the-cuff dismissals or attacks, like one of your comments about “blacks” and watermelon. It’s racist, and it makes it easy to dismiss out of hand anything you say that might have some backing evidence.
I'm glad you have no issue with it as I like to think it's a pretty moral and practical position.
The watermelon thing was a joke, and a hilarious one at that. 11 more people disliked than liked it but those up and down votes were going crazy.
Because a majority of the studies I’ve seen show that these types of phenotypical behavior are environmentally driven while the genotypes are, by definition, genetically driven. That said, there *are* other studies that show a larger genetic factor to phenotypical or extended phenotypical behavior.
Quit with the doublespeak. You weasel by saying the jury is still out. Then you claim the majority of research you have read says the jury is not out. Then you claim that this research you have read is not only the majority that you have read, but is the majority period.
No wonder people don't trust racial claims people like you make.
The majority of the stuff I’ve seen supports my position, but “the jury is still out” is an alternative way of saying that yes there is some literature out there that runs contrary to my position. It’s pragmatic to align your views with the weight of the evidence unless or until that evidence changes. That’s how science works. We’re constantly revising our hypotheses as new data comes in. It’s not doublespeak at all to acknowledge that. I don’t even understand *why* people would be so interested in studying racial differences in GI if not to validate preexisting racism.
But this is all beside the point, which is that in-group variation is so much larger than inter-group variation that it doesn’t even make sense to plant your flag on that factor when there is so much more going on. It’s practically analagous to pointing to a light rain as the reason your ship is sinking after having hit an iceberg. Part of the story? Maybe, but not worth focusing on. Like I said above, *even if* genetic differences accounted for the overwhelming majority of behavior traits and outcomes, it doesn’t justify racism. How would you feel if you were on the other side of this and were the one being judged over preconceived notions and treated as subhuman simply bc of the color of your skin?
> studying racial differences in GI if not to validate preexisting racism
Actually the amount of bending over backwards to say that genotypes have nothing to do with phenotypes in homosapiens is more interesting. Don't you think? No one say such things about other species. Only this one.
>How would you feel if you were on the other side of this
I am. I am not Asian and I am not Jewish. I am inferior to them under several measures.
You’re putting words in my mouth that I didn’t say. I actually explicitly *did* say that genotypes in humans do affect phenotypes and extended phenotypes. The difference between humans and other species is the extent to which we’ve altered our environment with technology, culture, systems of government, etc to the point that all of these phenotypes and behaviors are interacting on a global scale. A cultural trait from a small group of people can have a great impact on the behavior of a different culture half a world away. The same can’t be said about other species, at least on the same magnitude as how this plays out in humans. Our modified environment has an outsized impact on behavior, because genes can’t evolve quickly enough to match our pace of technological progress. Hence: sore backs and hemorrhoids from prolonged cubicle work, the obesity epidemic from automation/outsourcing of menial labor-intensive jobs, antibiotic resistant superbugs from our overuse of common medicines, etc etc. This isn’t to say that technological progress is bad. It’s to say that in our heavily modified environment, the environment itself plays an ever increasing role in human behavior. We can expect that trend to continue.
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