There aren't any sacred subs left in reddit. They either recycle content or are toxic.
Berniers really have invaded all politics here. I just wish they'd raid our sub more.
Yang supporters are used to this...
It comes from every direction but the Bernie camp has been the most aggressive against Yang. He threatens Bernie's already questionable outsider status by being an actual outsider.
Yang's success comes at the expense of Bernie, just like Pete's success comes at the expense of Warren
That's why Bernie bros fear Yang.
I wish it wasn't so because we are all on the same side, and we have a lot in common.
Nah Bernie's the problem. His age and the way he talks about the issues has established an entitlement problem with the Bernie Bros. They think that because Bernie has been chirping the same crap for 40 years, Bernie can do no wrong and is always right, which is a rather dangerous way to determine who gets to lead the country if you think about it.
Tell that to AOC that's on video on YouTube telling people that the Freedom Dividend is a trojan horse, will take away pell, and will gut the safety net completely... it's coordinated from the Bernie camp.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4LL-Pm5n0A
I was impartial to AOC and liked someone of the things she pushed for but seeing her spin the same lines as Michael Brooks and Sam Seder made me lose respect for her. It's nothing short of disinformation aimed at low information voters for political advantage.
I wondered if I could create a taboo swear word. Calling someone ‘kiddiefucker’ is probably guaranteed a fight, a kick out of their life, or even possibly a sueing. Would not recommend use on someone holding a gun.
Well posting in a Bernie sub would get it removed because the sub is for Bernie stuff? You don’t see Bernie posts in the Yang sub so what’s the issue? If this were r/politics that’d be different.
Ikr, I tried to get there to find a world news source that wasn't shilling for Bernie *and yet it has become a bernie sub.* I don't care what you think about his policies but he definitely has the most toxic supporters.
I mean, I honestly don't care about hating on Bernie, all I care about is that we have a truly democratic presidential election, which is clearly not the case right now.
Yang's views are somehow even more retarded than bernies, but people should at least be able to hear about private corporations censoring information to try to swing elections.
I mod r/worldpolitics and as far as the Democratic field goes Yang is among the least objectionable to me.
I investigated this, it was removed due to clear and blatant evidence of a coordinated upvote brigading campaign from yang affiliated channels.
In general, I tend to oppose rules against vote brigading because they can lead to this situation where legitimate content gets censored due to activity that is not clearly visible to others. But the brigading here was blatant enough that we couldn't leave the post up.
As someone who frequents both subs, I can safely say that there was not a single post or comment I could see on r/yangforpresidenthq that asked anyone to upvote that post, only a celebratory post about the aforementioned one hitting the front page. The only argument I could see for "brigading" was probably the 20k+ upvotes that were gained after that post, although i hardly believe that a quarter of an entire subreddit could coordinate upvoting a single post when most of their internal posts barely break the couple thousands range.
This shouldn't even matter. The "brigaders" you seem to question showed no malicious intent and just wanted to promote their presidential candidate of choice. Had the brigaders become aggressive, it would completely be acceptable to remove the post.
If I missed anything and you have proof of malicious intent or aggression, I will happily be on your side regarding this.
The allegations were of off-site brigades. We don't remove crossposts or consider those to be brigades. r/worldpolitics is as lax moderation wise as Reddit will allow.
https://i.imgur.com/1GzzHhp.png
Vote manipulation is a sitewide rule.
That does gray it a bit. I'm not on the slack and I think that was a bit dumb. On the other hand, something like this does not harm anyone. r/worldpolitics get 20 or so upvoted Bernie posts like everyday, honestly moreso than all international politics combined. I do question where the mods' priorities are if they seem to be more focused on investigating fresh coverage rather than doing something about making an effort to diversify the content you all get.
Edit: I'm obviously not blaming you singularly, and r/worldpolitics will never be as shit as r/politics, just wondering intentions and all that.
> I do question where the mods' priorities are
The priority of r/worldpolitics is to be as hands-off as moderators as Reddit will allow in a political sub-reddit.
The content is up to the contributors. You can cross-post everything from r/yangforpresidenthq if you want, but you can't call on people to upvote it or direct offsite brigades.
I've never been a fan of the brigading rules (precisely because some will use that and crossposts as a pretext to censor) but this case did go beyond that.
the amount of contradictions you’re making is unreal, your words speak of a priority but your actions clearly another. please explain how one outside source is considered brigading? do you have evidence of more outside posts telling people to upvote?
it even says only 1000 upvotes were caused by this post. out of 66k upvotes that is only 1.5% ‘inflation’ which post removal is completely absurd
can you give me a source on your evidence of "1000" people coming from the slack channel? because we don't even have that many textbankers so I call bullshit.
I'm a regular on r/YangforpresidentHQ and the cross post I saw only had a handful of comments and rarely see anyone calling for brigading. Was the calling for brigading coming from outside of reddit then? Also what do mods do to try and keep outside influencers / paid posters from brigading posts? r/politics has some very clear signs of paid actors and bot voting there. I see the point of not allowing brigading of small subs but large default subs that people have been apart of long before yang was around should be able to voice their opinion on him with out being called brigaders. But if Yang is using paid posters and upvote bots I understand but hope all candidates are treated equally in that regard.
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Yes the brigade was off-site https://i.imgur.com/1GzzHhp.png
> Also what do mods do to try and keep outside influencers / paid posters from brigading posts?
We have effectively no tools for this, all we can do is remove threads when evidence like this is brought forth.
I don't mod r/politics and I think it's a pretty terrible subreddit overall.
If such clear evidence of coordinated brigades was brought forth for any other posts we'd do the same thing.
Yang is my preferred Democratic candidate so pretty conflicted about the whole thing. Hate seeing him get treated like Ron Paul.
Well thanks for the info and thanks for putting in the work to mod! I'll have to spread the word on the slack and discord channels to not post any reddit links. Right now the doors wide open for bad actors to come into our channels link a post asking for upvotes and get any post they want taken down for brigading.
I mod the Discord and we stripped a lot of the functionality from #Keyboard-Warriors a bit ago, to the point it's slightly dead. I'm pretty sure this wasn't really coordinated on the server if it was *actually* a coordinated effort at all.
Dude, you are literally full of it. You have one img from the slack channel that can't justify even a fraction of a fraction of a percent of the upvotes. Same goes for the discord channel (which no one posted about this reddit post), even if every single user registered on the discord server went "to raid", it would've been less than 10% of total upvotes. One request on a dead slack channel doesn't prove anything, freedom of speech? You and other mods are biased and made a quick, and wrong, decision.
So posting 'go upvote' in the breakroom of a slack channel where the main channel rarely has 50-100 active people any given day, is somehow equated with storming 60k+ upvotes unorganically? I guarantee you virtually no one saw that thread.
It's obvious what happened. A group who are out to get us either posted themselves and spammed the mods with their manufactured "evidence" or they specifically looked for it to spam the mods and make it look like a coordinated effort. Either way, mods can't tell that this was an attempt at censorship or the YangGang brigading.
So let me get this straight ...you removed a post with over 60k upvotes because of 1k from an outside source.
You can see how this makes no sense right?
Of course it doesn't... But when you get spammed by dozens providing "evidence" you kinda have to do what you gotta do, to maintain the integrity of the subreddit.
It seems like terrible judgement to delete a post with 66k upvotes when the only evidence you have is a post in a slack chat with 14k people. Please do better.
According to the official Reddit rules, the offending user is supposed to be banned, but there is no requirement saying the post must be removed.
Removing a political post that only gets a call to brigade to a \~500 person channel *after* the post reaches the front page could be a politically motivated take-down, not necessarily by the mod themselves but by a misleading reporter.
Say for example I want to take down a Bernie post that reaches the front page of Reddit, all I have to do is post it on another sub / social media or get someone else to do it, ask for upvotes, and then report it so the post gets taken down. That's why you're supposed to ban the user or only delete new posts, not old posts already on the front page.
Totally agree.
Sort of cross commenting:
If the brigading was happened by OTHER USERS, u/mark_0139 (who posted the post) can't control that, and thus not responsible for that.
If the mods on r/worldpolitics decided to remove the post simply by brigading happened by OTHER USERS, it is a collective punishment which is a war crime under the [fourth Geneva Conventions](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_Geneva_Convention).
If they don't have an evidence that u/mark_0139 did brigading, they need to undo the removal and apologize to the user. They can post an apology post on their sub.
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So basically this was a punish everyone at the expense of a fraction of the group sort of thing. That slack comment received a total of 3 reactions to it. The active user count in that channel at any time is in the single or low double digits. When it was posted to the channel it already had 10k upvotes. When it was taken down it had 66k.
I get it. Just wish y'all made a different judgement call. Doesn't seem right or smart to me. Thanks for giving us more information at least.
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