/r/science censors discussion that isn't in line with the doomer narrative on covid

92    16 Jan 2021 03:33 by u/Lockdowns_are_evil

This comment was removed without notification: > It should be noted that the average age of death from covid is higher than human life expectancy. This necessarily implies covid is among the luckier ways a human can die (on average). > Also, the title is claiming that 336K deaths are all from covid, which is absurd. As 95% of covid deaths have 2.5+ comorbidities, it's verry difficult to discern which are FROM covid and which are WITH covid. Link: https://np.reddit.com/r/science/comments/kxrjx2/the_covid19_pandemic_which_claimed_more_than/gjc6lra/ Inb4 someone argues against the content of my comment itself: A) you are indeed an idiot, however B) that's besides the point. The point is that reasonable discussion is being censored on a sub that claims to be scientific. When you're enforcing a political agenda, however, you're no longer scientific. You're propagandist. This is the main science subreddit of reddit, and if this is occurring by the mods now (it was already occurring via brigading vote manipulation), I think that's the final nail in the coffin for reddit having any credibility of a site that values free discussion. Reddit is fascist website enjoying 230 protections while enforcing a personal authoritarian narrative.

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31 u/Lupinfujiko 16 Jan 2021 03:57
This is what Reddit is now. It's really a shame.
16 u/SideTraKd 16 Jan 2021 12:51
That sub has never been about science...
1 u/The-Yar 14 Mar 2021 14:53
It used to be. It has changed dramatically.
21 u/baozebub 16 Jan 2021 04:25
Reddit is just doing its part to keep Americans on track with the correct views. Facts are sometimes a problem.
11 u/Herpa_Derpa_Island 16 Jan 2021 16:15
there was an AskScience AMA like two days ago on the subject of vaccine hesitancy, meaning to clear up misconceptions and advocate for taking the COVID vaccines. I tried to ask a really basic question about whether my vaccination affects other people or not, since it's still possible to transmit infection even after being vaccinated. [Three separate attempts from three different accounts](https://imgur.com/a/Nl6b3yv) and each time my question was silently deleted shortly after I posted it. I even received a reply back from the mod team after I asked them about it. [The reply failed to acknowledge the posts and didn't even make any sense.](https://imgur.com/FVRti97)
1 u/brkdncr † 16 Jan 2021 16:44
The answer is no. You’re not being given a weak version of the virus.
7 u/Herpa_Derpa_Island 16 Jan 2021 17:05
your answer does not pertain to my question. I'm not talking about a weak version of the virus. I'm talking about, if you are vaccinated, and then you become infected with COVID afterward due to your exposure to the virus elsewhere, you can still transmit full-scale COVID infection to another person, even if you yourself experience reduced symptoms due to your vaccination.
4 u/brkdncr 16 Jan 2021 17:09
Yes if you are infected, where your body did not take on the vaccine properly, then you can still transmit it. All viruses work like this I believe.
-3 u/Herpa_Derpa_Island 16 Jan 2021 17:31
you can still transmit it one way or the other, because you can still be infected. There is no vaccine that prevents infection. Vaccines only reduce the severity of symptoms.
3 u/brkdncr 16 Jan 2021 17:40
You can be exposed and not infected as a result of being vaccinated. You can also be exposed and infected for a much shorter period of time, reducing the risk of transmission. A virus has to take hold in a body for a period of time before it gets to the point where it can be transmitted. Vaccines reduce both rate of infection and transmission. I guess we’re discussing semantics. I define infectious as being able to transmit effectively. If your body knows what to look for and contains a virus before it can effectively be transmitted then you’re not infected.
-1 u/Herpa_Derpa_Island 16 Jan 2021 17:46
yeah, when I'm using the term "infection", I'm only referring very simply to the virus being in your body. That is, as long as it's in there and your body hasn't successfully fought it off, you're infected. By this definition, there is no vaccine that prevents infection. This is what I meant. You're right that vaccines reduce the timespan and the severity of infection, though, thus reducing the transmissibility. I acknowledge this.
2 u/Lockdowns_are_evil [OP] 16 Jan 2021 16:50
Shocked but not surprised.
2 u/The-Yar 14 Mar 2021 14:55
Your question is nonsense.
1 u/Herpa_Derpa_Island 14 Mar 2021 15:06
nice, I'm glad you finally woke up from hibernation and noticed this post I'd completely forgotten about from a month ago. Is there anything else you want to tell me about my question?
1 u/The-Yar 14 Mar 2021 20:13
Just that. Well also it reads like you have major problems with common sense and social skills.
9 u/googlinia 16 Jan 2021 11:57
Final nail? We passed the final nail a long time ago. The Donald and so much more ( no matter whether you agree with their politics)
3 u/Lockdowns_are_evil [OP] 16 Jan 2021 12:16
Yes, and mask mandate skepticism.
4 u/soitgoesmrtrout 16 Jan 2021 08:58
I hate the from versus of debate because it's stupid. It's a macro versus micro thing. A good analogy is smoking. We know smoking causes cancer but in an individual case, there's no way of knowing if a particular cancer diagnosis was from smoking or not. Or why smoking doesn't lead to cancer in some people. We can know there is a massive impact from the pandemic without having to worry about individual cases. But there has also been basically no talk about QALY with this pandemic. Is it just to lock elderly people in a nursing home with no social contact for a year to extend life a few more years? I honestly have no idea. But they are very legitimate questions that get completely lost in the stupid discourse about masks and shit. And yes, mask wearing should be universal. Shaming people for outdoor gatherings is dumb. I think I've managed to have a view that pisses off everyone at this point so I'll leave it at that.
0 u/Lockdowns_are_evil [OP] † 16 Jan 2021 09:50
> And yes, mask wearing should be universal. Nah, you don't get to force people to wear something they don't want to on their own property. Public property is debatable. I can cite you ~20 charts of cases spiking after mask mandates.
7 u/soitgoesmrtrout 16 Jan 2021 10:24
I'm not even talking about laws, it's a measure with a large benefit for everyone and basically no cost other than "it's uncomfortable"
3 u/Lockdowns_are_evil [OP] 16 Jan 2021 10:47
Thank you for not advocating coercive mandates. Adverse Effects of Prolonged Mask Use among Healthcare Professionals during COVID-19 https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/bdea/3aef30775ad4505dc7a7c19e9b41ff89baef.pdf
4 u/soitgoesmrtrout 16 Jan 2021 11:20
The amount health care workers are wearing one is just far more in far more intense environments. I'm talking about people going to the store or something.
2 u/Lockdowns_are_evil [OP] 16 Jan 2021 12:20
They mandated it for hospitality workers and gyms. The former doing light cardio for 10 hours a day. The latter doing intense workouts. Retail workers, although not necessarily walking around all day like hospitality workers, are still wearing it for prolonged periods of time. This shortlist isn't exhaustive; use your imagination. I think there are cons to mask use that vary with how long it's worn for. Think about it. There's a pocket of CO2 left inside the mask with each exhale, which is then inhaled in the next breath. Your quality of air is compromised. Each individual should calculate the risk/reward and decide for themselves.
2 u/brkdncr 16 Jan 2021 16:42
You also exhale oxygen. So there’s a pocket of oxygen in your mask. The amount of co2 to “compromise” your ability to breath would be considerable, and the masks aren’t tight enough for it. I can’t even understand how you would think it’s a problem.
3 u/Lockdowns_are_evil [OP] 16 Jan 2021 16:49
It should be obvious I'm referring to prolonged mask use. What's your explanation of the harmful effects of prolonged mask use if breathing with masks is 100% a non issue? This already sounds stupid. I'm over it. The study I linked is sufficient for me. Believe what you wan.
0 u/brkdncr 16 Jan 2021 16:56
I don’t think you’re wearing N95 masks for 10+ hours a day.
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2 u/Troby01 16 Jan 2021 20:11
r/science is a complete shit show. Little to any science. Not unlike r/technology another bullshit political sub.
1 u/Lockdowns_are_evil [OP] 17 Jan 2021 13:43
/r/Futurology = socialists using new buzzwords
1 u/[deleted] 16 Jan 2021 07:10
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1 u/krypt_o 16 Jan 2021 15:16
> I think that's the final nail in the coffin for reddit having any credibility OP... That was lost years ago. Where you been?
1 u/Lockdowns_are_evil [OP] 16 Jan 2021 15:18
True that. I thought at least /r/science won't censor reasonable discussion.
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1 u/MaximilianKohler 20 Jan 2021 15:32
Happens to me on a regular basis: https://archive.vn/IB3lO#selection-2645.10-2645.11 It's rampant all over reddit. It's caused the coverage of this virus on reddit to be incredibly biased, misleading, and incorrect. Which of course has numerous detrimental consequences.
2 u/Lockdowns_are_evil [OP] 20 Jan 2021 15:59
Great write up. Thank
-5 u/brkdncr 16 Jan 2021 07:52
The title states that the pandemic caused those deaths. Changing the statement of the title to fit your critical assessment deserves the response it got. It’s not like we’re dealing with a few more flu deaths than normal.
4 u/Lockdowns_are_evil [OP] 16 Jan 2021 09:49
Read the inb4
-1 u/brkdncr 16 Jan 2021 16:51
In one sentence you’re saying don’t point out details but in the other you’re pointing out details. It’s like seeing the number of car accidents go up on NYE and suggesting that it’s because people haven’t replaced their worn tires, brakes or any number of other issues and complaining that it’s being reported as drunk driving instead of worn tires.