>I got banned from /r/pics for being Muslim.
There's no indication from your comment that you're Muslim, so why do you play the religious oppression card?
They banned me for being anti-LBGT, even tho my comment had nothing to do with LGBT. My comment was something like "that's not what the Quran says" and mods realized the Quran is anti-LGBT amongst other things the blue hair people don't like. Most Reddit mods are pro-Islam, but anti-everything to do with it.
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To be fair, the Qur'an is very anti-LGBT and brimming with hate speech and calls to murder.
Hate speech and calls to murder are generally frowned upon in most civilized forums.
Maybe keep your hate to yourself in the future.
>It does, but not as bad as some people think it does.
Demanding hatred and murder of anybody is *bad* by its very nature. There is really no degree of "badness". It's either bad or it isn't.
You're comparing personal taste of food to the slaughter of a group or groups of people. That's what we call a false dichotomy.
Look, you seem like you are a fairly intelligent. Maybe it's time to review the content of your religious affiliation and the content of the book you claim to be the "perfect word of God". You admit that it contains calls to violence, murder, and prejudice, yet you don't seem like the type of person who would personally advocate for such acts.
Take a good look at what you're OK with vs what your religion preaches, and seriously ask yourself if the puzzle pieces fit together.
Have a nice day.
I don't buy it. Asking questions is also implementing the Socratic method, or can just be sincere. That looks like it was written by someone just butthurt, akin to mentally ill people making up a wiki article for 72 genders.
Doesn't take a science-rocket to realize that your sockpuppet account named "Lockdowns_are_Evil" is gonna be less than a year old, and that the three-year old account is your main, dude. You should stop this, it's pathetic.
Either that or you're just really thirsting for lockdown's cock. You hopped into both threads just to defend your senpai.
My money's still on autofellatio, though.
The answer is yes, if leaving your house kills people, you should be forced to stay home. And it is absolutely a stupid question. Half a million dead in the US alone and people are still whining about not being able to get haircuts or go to Disney World.
The flu and driving your car kills people. What's your response to this? If different from covid, why?
Please don't report these questions as misinformation.
The number of people and the ability to mitigate the deaths are important. For every person killed by the flu in the US in 2019, **twenty** people died of COVID-19 in 2020. Traffic accidents in 2019 are still only about 1/13 of COVID deaths in 2020. And that's *with* more than half the country obeying lockdowns and mask mandates. Flu deaths were significantly lower in 2020 than in 2019, so it stands to reason that COVID would have been even worse given the opportunity to spread with only the countermeasures that we use for the flu (i.e. few masks and no lockdowns).
That's a separate argument.
I'm referring to this logic specifically:
> The answer is yes, if leaving your house kills people, you should be forced to stay home.
Leaving your house necessarily "kills people" via flu and car accidents. Sure, the flu typically kills less than covid, but it kills nonetheless.
So do you acknowledge this is faulty logic or do you beleive we should be forced to stay home and not drive?
Leaving your house is eventually necessary because otherwise everyone will starve to death. Staying home for two weeks to prevent half a million people from dying from COVID doesn't come anywhere near reaching that point, but staying home indefinitely to avoid traffic deaths would. We can't eradicate traffic accidents by simply not getting together for a couple weeks.
When I say "kills people," a reasonable person would interpret that as "kills more people than the alternative." Nearly everything, when done by a group of over 300 million people, will lead to at least *two* deaths. You can trip and die whole walking, or choke to death on a glass of water. Clearly, however, I am not communicating with a reasonable person (though I knew that to begin with).
Don't give me that two weeks bullshit over a year into this nonsense.
You want to be scientific? I'll leave you with a couple suggestions:
1. Look up the actual fatality rate for covid: infection fatality ratio (IFR). Not CFR. You can't have a rational view on covid unless you know this.
2. Look up the average person dying of covid, specifically how old they are and how many comorbidities they have. You'll find the average age of covid death HIGHER than life expectancy for that country, making covid among the luckier ways one can die. You'll also find 2+ comorbidities. The CDC recently stated the average covid death had FOUR additional comorbidities.
3. A pandemic is nothing surprising. In 2019, it was an inevitable occurrence of the future. Thus there had been established protocols in place in pubic health (BaSed on ScIeNcE) in response to a pandemic. I suggest you find these and find where in any Western country's public health pandemic protocol were there lockdowns anywhere near in severity in which they've been implemented.
4. In order to determine whether lockdowns harm or benefit more, we must analyse how many life expectancy years they kill vs save. Keep in mind, the life of a 25 year old is vastly more valuable than the life of an 80 year old (average covid death). If a 25 year old loses 5 years of his life in some way due to lockdowns (damaged health due to drug overdose, domestic abuse, loss of 5 years of net worth), just because that person is technically alive, you can't discount or dismiss the damage done to him. That's worse than someone already past the human life expectancy dying from covid, cancer, and diabetes.
>Don't give me that two weeks bullshit over a year into this nonsense.
It was always two weeks if *everyone actually did it.* You can't go around saying that cars are unreliable because people keep getting stranded when you pour sugar into their gas tanks. It's the fault of you and people like you that we didn't fix this problem 14 months ago.
>Look up the actual fatality rate for covid: infection fatality ratio (IFR). Not CFR. You can't have a rational view on covid unless you know this.
Estimates range from 0.23% to 3.4%. It wouldn't even be a concern if it didn't spread so quickly. Unfortunately, we live in a world where it *does* spread so quickly.
>Look up the average person dying of covid, specifically how old they are and how many comorbidities they have. You'll find the average age of covid death HIGHER than life expectancy for that country, making covid among the luckier ways one can die. You'll also find 2+ comorbidities. The CDC recently stated the average covid death had FOUR additional comorbidities.
The one thing that all of those comorbidities have in common is that *they hadn't killed that person yet.* The person was alive with whatever conditions, then they got COVID, then they died. Without COVID, they would have lived longer.
>A pandemic is nothing surprising. In 2019, it was an inevitable occurrence of the future. Thus there had been established protocols in place in pubic health (BaSed on ScIeNcE) in response to a pandemic. I suggest you find these and find where in any Western country's public health pandemic protocol were there lockdowns anywhere near in severity in which they've been implemented.
A pandemic as infectious as COVID-19 was far from inevitable. It was borderline unprecedented. However, even with the partial lockdowns sabotaged by selfish people like you, flu deaths were far lower in 2020. Had people actually followed the rules, nearly every infectious disease would have been neutered quickly.
>In order to determine whether lockdowns harm or benefit more, we must analyse how many life expectancy years they kill vs save. Keep in mind, the life of a 25 year old is vastly more valuable than the life of an 80 year old (average covid death). If a 25 year old loses 5 years of his life in some way due to lockdowns (damaged health due to drug overdose, domestic abuse, loss of 5 years of net worth), just because that person is technically alive, you can't discount or dismiss the damage done to him. That's worse than someone already past the human life expectancy dying from covid, cancer, and diabetes.
Well, losing 5 years of net worth is (A) nearly impossible with a two-week lockdown that isn't sabotaged and (B) hardly equivalent to literal death. As for the drug overdoses and domestic abuse, those just sound like random bullshit you made up. Unless you can provide me evidence that they were remotely widespread (and remember, *half a million* deaths from a disease that the vast majority of people survive means that anything you're considering worse has to be *very* widespread), I'm going to discount that as the ramblings of a madman desperate to justify his own selfishness.
> It was always two weeks if everyone actually did it. You can't go around saying that cars are unreliable because people keep getting stranded when you pour sugar into their gas tanks. It's the fault of you and people like you that we didn't fix this problem 14 months ago.
What do you think waas the purpose of those two weeks? Do you actually think it was to eliminte the virus!?
COVID-19 survives for about two weeks on its own, and the infection lasts for about the same. So yes, it would be a combination of allowing people's immune systems to kill the virus and starving instances that were on their own of new hosts. I suppose that four weeks would be better, just in case someone was infected by a nearly-recovered roommate very near the end of the two weeks, but the people conceiving the plan didn't want people to be out of work for too long.
You're batshit insane if you think that 2 weeks was to eliminate the virus. I challenge you to cite me any established pandemic protocol or epidimeological papers claiming it's possible to eliminate a pandemic through mandatory 2 week lockdowns. It's genuinely mind boggling you beleive that, you must have swallowed some serious pseudo scientific propaganda.
Go back to the articles during that time. Even the "experts" purported it was 2 weeks to *flatten* the curve - not eliminate it.
All Aus and NZ did is keep their populations at the beginning of the viral timeline, i.e. the pandemic has barely begun in these countries. They're facing the same problem regarding covid that the rest of the world was at the the beginning of 2020 right now, just equipped with experimental vaccines, a dilemma of of when to open borders, in the wake of being ravaged by lockdowns, and with an endless cycle of more lockdowns until they finally bite the bullet and accept they have to let the virus run its course.
>Go back to the articles during that time. Even the "experts" purported it was 2 weeks to flatten the curve - not eliminate it.
Putting "experts" in scare quotes doesn't mitigate the fact that they have MDs and PhDs and you do not. And sure, two weeks was the compromise position, and longer would have been better, but that doesn't mean that the lockdowns weren't worth doing.
>All Aus and NZ did is keep their populations at the beginning of the viral timeline, i.e. the pandemic has barely begun in these countries. They're facing the same problem regarding covid that the rest of the world was at the the beginning of 2020 right now, just equipped with experimental vaccines
So, just like the rest of the world was in early 2020, except *way better off* because they have a vaccine.
> in the wake of being ravaged by lockdowns
"Ravaged" is an insane word to use for not being able to get a haircut. You are an actual insane person.
>a dilemma of of when to open borders
Only because the rest of the world decided to take half measures or none at all and let their people die.
If they could keep their situation similar to early 2020 for another year, we'd have vaccines with more research time invested, and then postpone them for another few months to vaccinate everyone and you save hundreds of thousands of lives. Or just bite the bullets on the side effects (which are unpleasant, but not life-threatening) and vaccinate everyone now. Either way, better that than the Swedish approach of just doing nothing and hoping that everything turns out OK.
> I challenge you to cite me any established pandemic protocol or epidimeological papers claiming it's possible to eliminate a pandemic through mandatory 2 week lockdowns.
> Even the experts that wanted 2 week lockdowns purported it was 2 weeks to flatten the curve - not eliminate it.
Reply to that for the lolz
"+73,000 at Cowboys stadium last night... no masks, no Vax cards."
https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/n8wmq9/73000_at_cowboys_stadium_last_night_no_masks_no/
This thread is good because it keeps the covid doomsayers locked in their cells and away from free states that will continue to thrive. People who do that to themselves deserve to be miserable.
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