Permanently banned from r/richandmorty reason given: this is spam
0 20 Dec 2022 07:19 by u/karmagheden *
I posted https://np.reddit.com/r/rickandmorty/comments/zq176p/rick_morty_cosplay_perfectly_captures_the and within the hour I received a message saying I had been permanently banned.
I replied to that message:
>Wtf? How is this spam? I am a fan of this show, this article came up in my feed so I posted it to the appropriate subreddit. How does this post warrant a ban let alone a permanent ban
Did not receive an immediate response and added to my reply to the ban message below.
>It's also not the first time I've posted to this sub. Still, I am curious why you would punish someone for trying to share something here related to Rick and Morty. I did not know it is considered spam or I would not have posted it. Why would I knowingly violate the rules to a sub of a show I am a fan of? If it is the site that is the problem, I searched the sub and see at least one other screenrant article up as of this moment. In any case, the ban is extreme and imo unwarranted and I would like to appeal it directly.
>And I see 5 other self posts that link to screenrant that are also still up. So how is my post 'spam' and theirs not?? Please follow moddiquette and take my ban appeal seriously. I am still baffled by the out of nowhere perma ban.
I received a reply:
>When considering how to proceed, first check your mod team’s moderation policies if you have some. Look for the user pane on the right within modmail to gain context - you can see the redditor's recent interactions within your community and all the Mod Notes your team has made about them.
>Low Effort Posting / Fly-By Link Drops / Bot Like Posting
>Try to assume good faith and use the opportunity to turn the situation around where possible. If a redditor genuinely acknowledges their mistake and their intention to improve their conduct, you may consider removing or shortening their ban.
>50/50
>If the redditor is hostile you may decide to keep the ban in place or extend it. Avoid being drawn into arguments and rely on your team for help whenever possible.
>3 "Appeal" messages in 30 min
>• "Wtf? How is this spam?... How does this post warrant a ban let alone a permanent ban?"
>• " the ban is extreme and imo unwarranted"
> • "So how is my post 'spam' and theirs not?? Please follow moddiquette and take my ban appeal seriously"
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>We consider link dropping / Fly-By posting to be low effort and find that those types of post don't add value to the community. Hence spam
>If you would have taken the time to read the feed or been a bit more active, you would have seen that the Cosplayer herself (who is quite active in the community) self posted the content about a week ago.
>So was this ban unwarranted: No not really, as explained above.
>>How is this spam and not others: Active and Meaningful participation
>If you would like to make an attempt at being a productive and active member of our community, we welcome those who want to have meaningful participation.
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>We will not be community to farm karma
I replied back with:
>>Mod Policy / Handling Ban Appeals:
>>When considering how to proceed, first check your mod team’s moderation policies if you have some. Look for the user pane on the right within modmail to gain context - you can see the redditor's recent interactions within your community and all the Mod Notes your team has made about them.
>>Low Effort Posting / Fly-By Link Drops / Bot Like Posting
>I am not a bot and my post to screenrant is no less effort than anyone here posting an image or YouTube link. By your definition then, many posts here still up are low effort posts. And again, I have posted here before, so not my first post.
>>Try to assume good faith and use the opportunity to turn the situation around where possible.
>I am posting and messaging you in good faith.
>>If a redditor genuinely acknowledges their mistake and their intention to improve their conduct, you may consider removing or shortening their ban.
>Yes, except I am saying I don't believe I spammed, which is your reasoning for a perma ban. Clearly whatever I did was wrong and triggered a perma ban. Tell me how to avoid this in the future and I will abide.
>>50/50
>>If the redditor is hostile you may decide to keep the ban in place or extend it. Avoid being drawn into arguments and rely on your team for help whenever possible.
>I wasn't hostile. I made my argument, you should take my appeal seriously. You gave your reason, please consider my counter argument. I am not trying to be argumentative, if you contest a ban, you call into question the reason behind the ban. Can you only appeal a ban if the user admits they were rightfully banned?
>>3 "Appeal" messages in 30 min
>>• "Wtf? How is this spam?... How does this post warrant a ban let alone a permanent ban?"
>>• " the ban is extreme and imo unwarranted"
>>"So how is my post 'spam' and theirs not?? Please follow moddiquette and take my ban appeal seriously"
>I messaged you and heard nothing back for 25 minutes and then thought maybe it was the site I posted to that caused it, so I replied again and once more after to include more info about that. I thought my replies supported my pov of the ban being arbitrary and extreme.
>>We consider link dropping / Fly-By posting to be low effort and find that those types of post don't add value to the community. Hence spam
>That isn't spam though, I have posted here before and I posted just a single link, it was related to the show and it is to a site that has been posted here before.
>>If you would have taken the time to read the feed or been a bit more active, you would have seen that the Cosplayer herself (who is quite active in the community) self posted the content about a week ago.
>>So was this ban unwarranted: No not really, as explained above
>It was though, I just realized s6 is out, it has been off Netflix for a while. I was not aware this cosplayer already posted here or I wouldn't have reposted. So now knowing it is back, I would find a way to watch it and want to post more on the sub in that time, but now I can't apparently.
>>How is this spam and not others: Active and Meaningful participation
>>If you would like to make an attempt at being a productive and active member of our community, we welcome those who want to have meaningful participation.
>How is it spam? At least one of those links was directly from screenrant, not a self post and I have posted to this sub before last season and I did nothing but make a few posts, yet I was never banned for spam or accused or lacking meaningful participation. The links seemed enough and I was not punished, but now I am? What sense does that make?
>>We will not be community to farm karma
>I didn't post to karma farm. Look at my past posts here, very few upvotes and I don't mind. I like the show, I came across content about it that I like and wanted to share. That is all.
I have not received a reply back but I did do a search again and I noticed they went back and retroactively removed a post I made a year ago that was at 8 and removed another post that was a self post with screenrant link. Not sure why but they left up my other 2 posts and the other screenrant posts. I really don't see how the post is spam and or warranted a permanent ban. I made effort to explain that I was not out to spam or karma farm and it fell on deaf ears. They just moved the goalposts to participation, yet I participated the same in the past and contributed in the same way and was never penalized. I don't get it. Banning people for good faith participation because it doesn't fit your exacting qualifications at the time? More arbitrary banning, even in a sub like this (non politics sub) is disheartening.
Edit: The impression I get is that I would need to admit the post was spam and the ban was warranted to have any chance at getting it lifted, which is an odd requirement for an appeal. Unless I misunderstand what an appeal is about. I always saw it as you are appealing to have the ban reversed or their decision overturned w/e. Not that it required admission of a rule violation/bannable offense.
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