It's an MOU ( memorandum) that outlines how much to give to isreal for them to maintain the QME. Again what is a QME legally? Isreal has more then enough QME they are using f35 against people with firecrackers and 10 dollar ak. Nowhere in the actual treaty does it give any specific amount of aid or any specific reason for aid.

Lol agian your brain is weird. the budapest memorandum isn't a non proliferation treaty. The Budapest memorandum was a condition that Ukraine made fir them to accept the NPT. Ukraine wasn't going to give up thier nukes.

Bro you literally can only say things that are wrong again per capita the usa isn't even close and if you combine Europe as a whole. Something you should do as thier combined gdp is only 15 trillion and usa alone is 23 trillion and the fact that they are basically one country if you factor in the European union. Europe has already outpaced United states. Second our defense budget is over 700 billion annually and we are saving cash by not only giving the equipment we are replacing anyways. But we if Ukraine wins we wont have to constantly send our equipment to europe or have as big of a presence and can focus on china. Look up how much it costs the usa to send a brigade to Europe. 1.19 billion dollars that's only about 4k troops. Imagine having to send 100k troops something we have done in the past to counter Russia.

Does it? Nowhere in the agreement does it say how much we should give isreal or even of we give isreal anything at all. Lol all it does is out line how we give aid to isreal and the custody of arms. Lol you are reaching my guy.

Nope support goes back to 1990s military support goes to 2014. Wrong again. You really love being wrong. dont you? Even trump supported them for you not remember why trump got impeached? He withheld aid in order to try to get dirt on Biden.

Well the word ally isn't legally binding and your entire argument was that we did have a defense treaty with Ukraine. And we also dont have one with isreal and the ussr used to be our ally so that's not saying much.

Lol forgot the word "assistance" then go read what the agreement is about its 100% about logistics.

Lol the state department calls Ukraine a major regional partner.

The state department also calls Ukraine a strategic partner lol. (From the state department) Ukraine is a key regional strategic partner that has undertaken significant efforts to modernize its military and increase its interoperability with NATO. It remains an urgent security assistance priority to provide Ukraine the equipment it needs to defend itself against Russia’s war against Ukraine.

I dont care from were it was sited from go read what those agreements scope is. Being called an ally isn't a defense agreement.

Again wrong check your reading comprehension dude. Is says the word (or) not (and) to because of that Ukraine doesn't have to be nukeked in order for the memorandum to stand lol. Wrong agian

Major non-NATO ally (MNNA) is a designation given by the United States government to countries that have strategic working relationships with the U.S. Armed Forces while not being members of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO). While the status does not automatically constitute a mutual defense pact (as would be the case through NATO membership) 

Absolutely not a single one of those are defense treaties. Lol designation of a major non nato ally is not a defense treaty.

The ( status of forces agreement ) is for any country that hosts us troops it dictates how us troops operate in a foriegn country. Not a defense treaty. ( Mutual logistics and support agreement) that's a trade treaty not a defense treaty. ( General security of information agreement) classified information agreement not a defense treaty. (Mutual defense assistance agreement) is a mutual logistic logistics support agreement. Lol read what those things mean it would be like me pulling out ( assistance of criminal matters agreement) 1999 yes it's a treaty with Ukraine but is not a defense treaty. Lol again you have no clue what your are talking about. The only defense agreements we have with isreal are memorandums lol.

Again reread 4 to provide assistance if they became victims of an act of AGRESSION OR AN OBJECT OF THREAT OF AGGRESSION IN WICH NUCLEAR WEPONS ARE USED.

If we dont have a treaty with Ukraine, then we dont have a treaty with isreal.

Short and sweet look up the memorandum of understanding. Lol

Lol we never had a treaty with the kurds. And by your argument if we support a group for years we are obligated to them? If that's your argument then we have supported Ukraine with training since the 1990s and have supported them with aid since 2014. Second the usa has all sorts of treaties outside of nato. For example Japan, South Korea, and Israel are all NOT PART OF NATO. Yet we have treaties with all of them SEPREATE from nato. By your definition United states of America doesn't have a treaty with isreal it is a memorandum (also known as a agreement) lol dude you clearly have no clue what you are talking about. The isreal treaty is literally called ( the memorandum of understanding) so we should stop aid for isreal right now and never help them in the future as it's just a 25 year old ( and vague ) memorandum. Lollllll

That's a dumb take. European nato countries spent over 347 billion dollars on defense last year. Russia only spent 84 billion and they are in a war. China spent 290 billion in 2022. That's not even factoring in the strategic importance of having access to military bases that allow out navy to operate anywhere in the world. And having nato navies help keep the shipping lanes free so that our economy doesn't tank overnight.

First off I have nothing against the Kurds. I'm just stating the obvious that what you consider Kurdistan is land that is in five different countries, and that it would be impossible for the Kurds to have their own country. Second it would be a land locked country with all of its neighbors hating them with no access to trade and having to guard against every square inch of boarder. Third kurds were a ally of convenience as a minority group they were subjugated for years and second class citizens. But they are a very weak without a centralized government with lots of factions. Also Turkey a more important geopolitical ally wouldn't stand for support of a usa backed Kurdish state. ( especially because it would take Turkish land) Israel has done more then just a one off collaboration. They have stood against USA's interests on more then one occasion. What have we got back from backing Israel? Our support has actually made it more difficult to work in the middle east. It has took years of work to gain the few allies we have in the middle east and had opened the door for china and Russia. You say their are obvious benefits that we have from backing isreal. What are they? No while the budapest memorandum didn't specify how the usa would respond, it did promise to come to Ukraine's aid should they get attacked. You are literally spitting hairs. You can call it whatever you want but the official UN title is (Memorandum on security assurances in connection with Ukraine’s accession to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons) and it was a treaty that is registered with the UN lol. The fact that your are disinterested in supporting Ukraine, But are intrested in supporting isreal and the kurds show how inept your views are. Tell me what would be the end result for supporting the kurds be? Is it going to be like with isreal where we have to alienate the region and basically pay them billions of dollars every year in assistance with no end insight with zero return on investment? Outside of oil something isreal doesn't have, and something Kurdistan wouldn't be able to export, because they wouldn't have access to the sea and all their neighbors would hate them so good luck with a pipeline. Not to mention most oil fields are in saudia Arabia. An ally that is shaky at best and would definitely be opposed to a Kurdish state.

I dont know. lol did they?

Lol first off economics and geography wont allow Kurdistan to be it's own country lol you do realize that that country cant exists surrounded by countries that hate Kurds with no access to the sea? Not to mention the fact that the usa would have to invade iran, iraq, Syria, Turkey and Armenia. Well you just described a false ally if Israel is aligning with our biggest rival in china and giving them technology. The Budapest memorandum wasn't a trilateral statement lol it was a agreement on security guarantees. So your views on American geopolitics are to support a country who helps our rivals. To help a minority group who is a ally of convenience with a perceived territory that is in 5 separate countries and one of those countries is an ally. All the while ignore a country that is actually helping us by destroying the military capability of our second biggest rival so in the future we can focus on one. We get absolutely nothing for giving Israel weapons it doesn't make America safe it's the opposite we now have to bomb Yemen and iraq. While in Ukraine they have destroyed something like half of Russian active tanks prewar.

Lol you brought up the point that there were noenazies at maiden protests because you claimed that the CIA was responsible for those protests even though you dont have any proof besides Russia saying so. The same russia that has lied about everything lol. So you deflected and brought up the fact that some neonazis were part of the protests in order to change the subject and cast a documentary as propaganda for not including it in said documentary when the protest were about a corrupt president not nazi ideology. And even if you say you are not Republican your political ideology is on the right. And those personal insults are just iceing on the cake lol you dont have a counter so you resort to baby tactics lol.

We are allied with Ukraine we are one of the signatories that promised we would come to their aid if they were attacked because we wanted them to give up their nukes. As far as Israel is concerned they are such great allies that helped china build it's new fighter jet. Lol. Actually NATO doesn't specify that all countries have to go to war so no maby people like you start saying why do we need poland? Oh and no offense to the Kurds but they are the minority in the middle east unless you made them the majority they will always get f****

Lol most of Europe does meet the two percent GDP on military 75% to be exact lol do some research before spouting nonsense. And it's mostly the tiny nations like Luxembourg that dont meet the requirements not any powerhouses in Europe.

Tell me are all Republicans neonazis and do they have a neonazi problem because neonazis like trump? Funny how you bring up the BBC when their are multiple articles about Ukraine whith them refuting that there is some nazi problem in Ukraine. [immages](https://images.app.goo.gl/iTUKB2Niq48sd6hD9) does america have a nazi problem? Are all Americans neonazis? Should we allow Russia to invade us? Lol

No it's not up to me it's up to Putin hes started this.

Ya no dude up to now usa contributions is smaller then Germanies.

I dont know go ask russian politicians and russian state tv that. They keep saying that they have the god given right to take back everything.

Poorly but that's besides the fact the usa didn't invade or even threaten those countries.

Well why does Russian state tv keep saying that poland and the baltics are next? You ever watch russian state sponsored tv? I speak russian so its quit easy for me but there are some YouTube channels that translate it. They also say that Russians need to be proud of russian imperialism and god gave them the right to conquer those lands.

Lol because of a thing called europe a place that has helped us reach the height we have. And if Ukraine falls Poland is next go learn something about geopolitics. Maybe if you elected leaders who want to fix problems instead of focusing on the culture war things would get fixed

Oh like Brazil being part of bricks or Venezuela an ally of russia and china? Your argument lies flat as their are multiple south American countries that have aligned with russia.

Nope your fact are wrong lol and yes you do repeat a lot of russian propaganda. Tell me are all Republicans neonazis becouse neonazis support trump?

First off the usa invaded Vietnam. As far as the middle east is concerned what's the end point of us being their? Second the stuff we gave Ukraine is old and would have sat in storage for years until we gave it away or decommissioned it. We haven't used the ods variant of bradlies for a few decades. Third we would have bought new shit regardless the usa spends over 700 billion on the military annually. Fourth its given the usa an opportunity to get rid of the crap we bought in the 80s like Humvees and m113. Fifth Ukraine will have to pay the usa back for a majority of the stuff. Seventh how have the Democrats gutted rathion and other defense contractors? And lastly do you know how expensive it is to rotate bragadies to Europe something we do because of russia? Do you not understand the amount of logistical support rotating thousands of troops it takes. Do you realize how much money it takes to ship one 70 ton abrams? Ukraine is saving us a ton of money in the long run by destroying so much of Russian military that we the usa can allocate more resources to focus on china.

Military aged men are always treated with caution when in a war zone. Even more so in the middle east becouse of the over abundants of militants wearing civilian clothing. Regardless being careful of a population that has a governing body who's fighters typically don't wear uniform and target civilians isn't "opinion" its fact. Second you are doing the exact same thing that you are saying the poster is doing. Making assumptions based on race, location with out evidence. Just because there's videos of Israelis undressing terrorists doesn't mean that it is standard for all units.