I said they were A problem. Again reading comprehension is horrid nowadays. >Like if the guns went away then the violence would magically evaporate! We *definitely* wouldn't have poison gas attacks like Japan or serial knife murder like both Japan and England Which all required extensive fucking work on the behalf of the terrorists. How we have guns now makes it just easier to get a firearm and shoot people rather than do a gas attack.

Christ this sub is full of progun lack of reading comprehension nutjobs. Gun control works you just don't like that fact.

Can you commit gun violence without a gun? No. Please do tell me where I said it's the fucking guns fault you actual child

And is that claiming that guns are making people violent? Reading comprehension is horrid nowadays

Consider the following during 1992. (The year of the study you cited) the attorney General during that year was willaim Pelham Barr who also was the attorney General during trumps presidency. He is pro gun.

>And personal attacks always indicate that someone is losing an argument. As is moving the goalposts. (Example: >How about the problem being society deciding that it was a good idea to raise children without fathers? ) And did I claim it was forcing people to go commit crimes? No I said that more than 50% of the crimes committed with guns obtained those guns legally.. yall really wanna paint me in a bad light while having no actual defense for your argument besides "but criminals don't listen to the law"

As was your study funded by pro gun groups. Again what were you misinformed About?

Because your study is from fucking 1992. While my study is from less than 2 years ago. Now tell me again what were you misinformed about?

It isn't the same argument child. My argument is that gun control works. Your argument is a logical fallacy. Enjoy your guns. But make no mistake guns are the problem always have been. And do those manifestos line up with the actions those people took in the past or is it a line the media is feeding you.

Here let me correct myself what were you misinformed about?

Strawman argument. as that isn't something you can prove?

Because all it takes is a set of bad events in a row for those "innocent people" to become just as full of hate and vitriol as a "criminal" guns aren't a solution they are a problem. Always have been..

.... ignoring that more than 50% of the guns used in gun crime are obtained legally? Gun control would reduce those numbers even further.

Oh I was just assuming from your other replies that your reply was just as braindead. Sorry go on tell me all about how gun control doesn't work while ignoring all of the studies done on exactly this subject.

Excluding the fact that it being illegal does actually discourage many people. You people are fucking morons

Sorry what uh were you lying about? https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/full/10.7326/M21-3762

>CRIMINALS DON'T FOLLOW LAWS. Excluding the more than 50% of criminals who obtain their firearms legally? Not knowing what your talking about is a helluva drug

You know excluding the more than 50% of those gun related crimes that are done with legally obtained firearms? Lying because of ignorance is still lying.

Part of the reason they are doing it is because it's so fucking easy to obtain a firearm.

"It's been a thing for so long that we shouldn't change it" that is your argument? Really? Pathetic.

Reddit moment reply.

Because murder was already low? Not sure what to tell you. The USA on the other hand though, more than 50% of firearms used in gun related crimes are obtained legally. So gun control would lower the rates of gun related crime.

You are delusional in my opinion if you don't accept the reality that gun violence is done by enlarge with legally obtained firearms. Gun control would work but conservatives oppose it cause they don't care they think "if only there was a good guy with a gun" .

Ignoring that fact that more than 50% of gun violence in this country is done with legally obtained firearms? Gotcha deny it all you'd like

Your second ammendment rights don't supercede my right to say that your legally obtained firearm is being used to commit school shootings. This IS A GUN CONTROL ISSUE.

You know excluding the more than 50% of gun crimes that are done with legally obtained firearms?

Excluding that most firearms used in crime (in the USA) is obtained legally.

Not true. Google it. Studies have been done on this stuff. You are more likely to die if you are armed with a gun.

Literally not how that works. Statistically you are more likely to die in a robbery or mugging if you have a firearm due to you thinking the gun will protect you.

>Take a look at England: 120 years ago they had practically no gun control laws, and today they have some of the strictest gun control systems in Europe. Despite that, the murder rate is essentially unchanged between 1900 and today. Because the second a school shooting happened... they banned firearms... you clearly don't understand.

Please tell me, what school shootings has Britain had since it banned guns? If gun control doesn't work why not? You have an explanation for everything. Also having a firearm makes you more likely to die of violent crime because you are more likely to try and play the hero. Rather than letting professionals deal with it or minding your own damn business and not costing people their lives.

Then how did those juveniles obtain said firearms? Did they maybe steal them from their parents? This whole responsible gun owner thing is bs