The most collectivist movements have been right-wing hierarchies. A company is literally a collective of people sacrificing their individual objectives in favor of shareholders with outsized influence due to the power of their position in a social hierarchy. When taken to extremes, this results in fascism, where individuals sacrifice themselves for the national agenda. And the right-wing is a huge fan of law enforcement, which by definition is an expansion of the government’s monopoly on violence.

> Actually, no. It's the same economic system. The only reason you're saying they're different is because you lean politically to the right, and most of the folks on your side think that anything to the left of "You should have to pay cops before they actually help you" is Stalin-era communism. I’m literally a leftist lmao. The vast majority of Democrats as liberals, meaning they favor public intervention and private ownership of the means of production, but oppose any fundamental change in the balance of power between workers and corporations. Leftist advocacy is usually about changing that balance of power to favor workers having more control over their labor. I don’t agree with most liberal solutions except as a matter of compromise given that the alternative is fascist wannabes. Conservatives still use the term liberal to describe that position. Those people with that position use liberal to describe it. Leftists use liberal to describe it and distance themselves from it. Please go talk to people outside of these forums. This thread has way too many people of every political affiliation whose brains are broken from being online 24/7.

History shows that literally anyone of any political persuasion or demographic can do crazy things once in power. Why you obsess about reddit mods is beyond me. Go outside.

I don’t know what Hearts of Iron is, but I’m pretty sure /pol/ is a reference to 4chan communities. Either way, I don’t base my political understanding off of the memes of terminally online loners. > Basically liberals think "Hey if we paid a private company more money to do this instead of the government then the quality might improve!" While Leftists think "Hey we've been trying this privatization thing for like 40 years and all it did was make everything shittier and more expensive." Right. Two different desired economic systems. I’m not sure how you’re not supporting my point here.

If your analysis of politics is based on your experiences with Reddit mods, you are too far gone. I’m sorry the Internet broke your brain.

That latter point is a pretty substantial different. Like, literally two different desired economic systems.

Everyone wants speech laws. There are no free speech absolutists.

It’s not that bad dude. Social media just gathers the crazies that always existed and puts them in one place.

Leftists are not liberals. Never have been.

What a clown take lol

No one has read 1984 lmao