… or they’re putting out movies in an over saturated market and the runs they had with the Avengers/ X-Men/ Spider Man films was just a mix of luck and great casting. If you don’t think Hollywood has well written, complex minority characters it might be that you either don’t watch a wide variety of shows or just have shit taste in TV and movies

That’s hilarious that you think downvotes are an actual scientific measure of correctness of one’s position. This is a wild set of schizo posts by you my person

This is so inaccurate and a hilariously bad take., it’s amazing the blizzard of snowflakes complaining about views other than their own represented in media

Expecting humans to be rational actors is a poor public health policy model and a poor business model. That cost the state about a million dollars per patient to support plus other costs for the roughly 25 year life expectancy of HIV patients [and cost the state over $160 million in medical fees that could have been avoided with a timely and effective response.](https://www.wthr.com/amp/article/news/investigations/13-investigates/inside-epidemic-hiv-outbreak-brings-massive-cost/531-bb6811b6-9d9b-4e5c-b428-0b3fd737dba6) So basically Pence fucked the tax payers of Indiana and made them foot the bill for his religious extremism Also, your position on this crisis is ghoulish morally and one of the dumbest fucking health care and economic positions to take.

He only did partial measures and much of the growth that did occur was based off policies of his predecessors. While more people were technically employed there was a boom in population so the per capita it wasn’t the great improvement Pence claimed. [extra sourcing - 4. Pence also claimed, "there’s more Hoosiers going to work than ever before." Verify: That’s an overstatement. We looked into this claim Tuesday night when Indiana's Lt. Governor Eric Holcomb made a similar statement during his GOP convention speech. It’s true the raw number of workers is at an all-time high, but that’s due to population growth. The percentage of Hoosiers with jobs is not a record. The current unemployment rate is 5 percent in Indiana. The record best was 2.9 percent in October 2000.](https://www.kare11.com/amp/article/news/politics/national-politics/verify-indianas-economy-under-mike-pences-leadership/89-278582029) Indiana’s road infrastructure was a total mess under Pence - severely depleting state reserves and borrowing money after a major bridge on I65 caused a month long closure as emergency repairs were needed. [More on the I-69 mess](https://www.indystar.com/story/news/2017/06/18/mike-pence-donald-trump-public-private-partnerships-mitch-daniels-interstate-69-isolux-bloomington/388756001/) His big education funding actually accounted for less money than average as it was only 2.3% increase when the state had been averaging a 2.7% spending increase on education. [Source](https://www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/politics/pences-indiana-record-complicated-campaign-claims) [Conducted state business on a private AOL address](https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/news/a53594/mike-pence-private-email/) [Didn’t provide relief to East Chicago after a massive lead contamination caused people to relocate](https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/news/a53594/mike-pence-private-email/) The Religious Freedom Restoration Act (Gay Marriage ban) and RFA and its backlash cost [Indianapolis alone $60 million in lost revenue](https://www.forbes.com/sites/andrewbender/2016/01/31/indianas-religious-freedom-act-cost-indianapolis-60-million-in-lost-revenue/?sh=729d883a2e2a) millions more paid to out of state PR firm to clean up the mess. Shit down the Energy efficiency program

What are you talking about? It’s a professional sport and those are essentially capitalism boiled down to its purest form. They’re picking the best players from the pool of players they have. If there are fewer white players it’s because some people have other avenues for success or for some reason there isn’t a large number of white players with NFL level talent. It’s really embarrassing how hard you’re trying to make this a “reverse racism” thing.

No my person, my argument is rooted in reality and a willingness to actually discuss facts, not literally racist sentiments you espoused

[They are 56% more likely than any other ethnic group to make it to the professional level](https://www.ksbw.com/article/suspect-arrested-in-deadly-hit-and-run-in-salinas-california/46756894) a mix of socio economic factors and Polynesians athletes often being the near perfect combo of speed, size, and athleticism is what so many Polynesians play in the NFL. You also see a large number of poor and rural White athletes playing in the NFL as rural life is conducive to become strong and athletic and rural communities often share similar economic disadvantages as urban areas leading to football and other sports being a major tool of socioeconomic mobility.

Can we cut out the ad hominem, appeals to emotion, and poorly constructed straw man arguments and have a constructive argument or do you need to work out this bad faith argument?

This is a completely bullshit hack attempt at a straw man. The league is mostly Black due to a mix of talent and socioeconomic reasons, partially that non working class and poor White people have economic opportunities that mean they don’t have to specialize in sports and rely on that as a way to rise socio economically. How you got the idea that I believe there is something wrong with White people existing is a massive leap to conclusions that is not supported by anything I have said. In fact it’s a projection of your insecurities. There is nothing wrong with White people existing — and I would have to hate myself as I am partially of European descent. *There is a problem with systemic racism and White Supremacy* as these ideologies artificially elevate White people over other groups as a way to not actually have to compete with them on the Free Market. The argument that I and others make is let’s tear down these artificial, oppressive systems and if you actually believe in Meritocracy and equality of opportunity you would support breaking down these barriers as well. There is nothing wrong with White people, but it is wrong to completely ignore all the evidence that there are systems and institutions in place that unfairly advantage White people to the literal existential detriment of other races.

It’s not giving a leg up, it’s offering the opportunity to get in the room and prove yourself. You get that the NFL ownership literally colluded to keep minority coaches out of HC positions - even a guy like Mike McDaniels would be excluded as he is a mixed race man. It’s telling that you see providing equality of opportunity as a threat.

The argument is equity, not equality. The Over representation is partly due to playing sports being one of the few avenues minorities and working class and poor people have to make it up pout of cycles of poverty. The goal isn’t equal numbers, but actual equal quality of opportunity - from there talent and intelligence will then disperse people along a spectrum of success

What are you talking about?

Asians and Pacific Islanders are actually highly represented in the NFL considering the percentage of the US population they make up. A lot of Black NFL players are also Latino - for example Olave is of Mexican descent.

The issues are deregulation my guy

Y’all are still on this bullshit that has no evidence to back it while supporting Trump who said he would turn his back on NATO Allies? Wow y’all drank gallons of the Flavorade, no?

You’re blaming DEI for the mess created when Reagan broke the Air Traffic Controller’s union and intense deregulation over the last 4 Republican presidents. It’s the same deregulation and union breaking that has caused the issues with train derailments as well.

Your sources are unreliable, Matt Walsh is not a journalist, he’s a White Christian Nationalist pushing a racist agenda. He’s a known liar who supports adult men sleeping with teenage girls and he doesn’t believe in consent when it comes to sex or age of consent laws. He’s literally an advocate for grooming

There are filters, you have poor management and HR divisions if that is the only filter

You literally have no data to back your claims on DEI and I imagine if pressed you would make a similar argument about the other points you bring up

Dude, for someone working in a math and science based field this response means you’re either you’re arguing in bad faith or are the incompetent worker and are projecting your insecurities on others. In what you’re talking about and claiming the data is super important and the rest you claim is anecdotal bullshit

You don’t know Leftist politics — we love to criticize each other often more than even conservatives or fascists! It’s part of why we struggle fighting against fascists and right wingers. A black trans person could be a rapist, even though the number of trans rapists is almost non existent. If they’re a problematic person with shitty behavior they don’t get away with it as we generally on the Left hold our own more accountable than Right wingers — literally look at all the Republicans politicians who have gone to jail for rape and pedophilia in the last 10 years.

Dude, Reagan pushed the Mulford Act to limit minorities access to guns and enacted the most strict gun laws in US history history. As President he also signed for Amnesty in the 80s. Conservatives are massive authoritarian hypocrites on gun laws. Most actual Leftists from the more left ends of DEMSOC, to Anarchists, Zapatistas, ANCOMs, and even Marxists believe in the ownership of guns, especially for the working classes as protection for state oppression and acts of violence from Right Wing reactionaries against the general working class class and the various minority groups that make up segments of the working class. Even Marx and Engels are staunchly pro gun and Engels served in the Prussian military as an artillery man. Smedley Butler was the most decorated Marine in history and Orwell states a gun should be in every worker’s home and he served in the British Army.

There is a whole lot of wild stuff in this so I will take several posts to cover each section. Let’s start with guns, as I am a gun owner and 2A supporter and tnen work through this fever dream of disparate talking points.

I am sorry people touched you without consent, it is definitely an issue that is talked about in the LGBTQ community about etiquette and touching/ consent and it can be at odds with the hookup culture in some gay bars. The sad thing is in your first message you passionately argue against people generalizing and stereotyping White people, yet you take the bad actions of a few individuals and decide to not only stereotype them, but actively engage in attacking their identity and engaging in harmful acts towards gay and trans men. It’s kind of wild that you don’t want people to do that to you or white people yet you’re cool doing it to gay men and trans women. Do you hold the same views for Trans men? Again you can almost totally cut out Mulvaney from 99% of your life with only the most minimal of effort. Literally all celebs are narcissistic to a degree and they all hide behind a public mask.

I get your frustration, but you’re falling into the aCapitalist trap of false conscience and grievance politics. Your frustration should be at the folks who cheat the Walmart worker of their salary, not others who have skills and education that allowed them to earn a better living. Your example isn’t that great as the average Amazon worker makes

You’re confusing Liberals with Leftists. Liberals are Center Right Capitalists who look down on the working class. Leftists are in solidarity with the working classes and poor or rural peasant classes who deal with class discrimination and exploitation. You can have varying levels of privilege and discrimination or oppression — nuance seems to be a weakness of Liberals and conservatives.

The NFL is sports entertainment, I mean they do this in college too! Remember all the shots of AJ McCarron’s girlfriend all season? Again your argument makes you sound like a child

Also, it’s snowflake shit to say you don’t wanna see her. If it’s that bad watch other games? I mean if Madonna or Whitney was dating Michael Jordan you bet your ass we would see tons of shots of them court side or in their box. If Gretzky was with Celine Dion, Alanís Morrisette, Shania Twain same shit. So yall are inept man children or are trying to hide why you’re acting like they’re showing and celebrating Alfredo Stroessner on TV

You’re literally using Right Wing Talking point and arguing like Matt Walsh and Shapiro. This false enlightened Centrist stuff is just cover for folks with Right Wing views who don’t want to face repercussions for their views

I dunno if you’re a man or woman or how you identify — just trying to be respectful. If that is all you can take out of this then you really are trying to simp for an astroturfed Right Wing virtue signal.

You clearly haven’t watched football in the last 50 years then, it’s all sports entertainment and pageantry my person. This is a sad attempt at deflection. Why does it piss you off so bad? Because if your claims are true, y’all are a bunch of man/ women children and are the snowflakes y’all claim everyone else to be.

What are you talking about my person?

You get that based on your logic the entire Civil Rights Movement was virtue signaling, right?

There is documented bigotry within the LGBTQ community towards trans folks as there was similar bigotry aimed at Bi folks in the 80s and 90s. Or how you see the Light Skin vs Dark skin bullshit, etc. Statistically, she is much safer around trans women than straight men. [Here is some info that might help you understand trans folks and the pernicious myths about them.](https://www.vox.com/identities/2016/5/13/17938088/transgender-people-rights-myths) [Myth : Letting trans people use the bathroom or locker room matching their gender identity is dangerous](https://www.vox.com/identities/2016/5/13/17938102/transgender-people-bathrooms-locker-rooms-schools) The fears of trans women hurting assigned at birth females is more a condemnation of us straight guys than trans women as it’s misplaced fear about the very real and very high chance women in the US will be sexually assaulted or raped by straight men, generally a guy she knows.

If you’re talking about Evergreen State then you’re an idiot to go there and not expect a very Leftist school. A more Centrist Washington State or Gonzaga (if you’re conservative) are nearby. Dude, I am a former college LB who went to a liberal school and almost no one said shit about me lifting or being an athlete and the one or two guys that did were the idiots who believe in the Alpha/ Beta/ Sigma bullshit. I went hunting during deer season all the time and brought back meat which my Leftist friends ate and we actually talked about ethical hunting and Permaculture. This argument tells we you’re on the IDW social media fix and haven’t actually engaged folks in a genuine conversation.

You’re pissed that Leftists are trying to be polite and ask people how they would like to be addressed and identified as? How does that hurt you?

Obesity plays a role, but plenty of healthy men in their 20s and 30s also died in the initial waves of COVID

This makes no sense.

You know you can literally ignore and not deal with like 99% of these people, right? Especially the influencers, like what has Mulvaney done to you?

You know you can literally ignore and not deal with like 99% of these people, right? Especially the influencers, like what has Mulvaney done to you?

How is it annoying? When they did the same shit with Jessica Simpson were you upset? With Kristen Caviliri? Or Kendra Wilkinson? Were you pissed about Gissele or Ciara being shown? Were Katherine Webb at Bama games or Jake Browing’s GF an annoying distraction?

A lot to unpack here… wow… Got any links to your claims about Kendi? Yes, I am aware folks change names, that doesn’t automatically make them dishonest I mean Cassius Clay and Lou Alcindor changed their names..

… Dude I am literally mixed… You get the racial dating dynamics that unfairly target you and your partners are due to Right Wing politics going back to the Colonial period and it’s shitty when some segments of different group are racists, most of those who do that shit are reactionary conservative members of their race even if they claim to be liberal or progressive — SEE DR. UMAR. Kendi isn’t the end all or be all of anti racism or critical race scholarship and I implore you to expand on what you’re reading and ask what specifically do you disagree with him on? The LDS Church deserves criticism for its continued racist policies even towards its own BIPOC and AAPI members. That said if you wanna date someone who is Mormon, go for it! That shouldn’t automatically disqualify them as there are a lot of good people who happen to be LDS or former LDS.

You say she’s incompetent, yet refuse to give specific reasons. I gave specifics on Pence that you ignored

I am married to an Argentine woman and I am technically Mestizo or Pardo as my mother is a Mestiza and my dad is mixed. I have a lot of friends from different backgrounds as those of us BIPOC in college hung out a lot with the international kids. I am a TESOL teacher who literally teaches to a large refugee population from Africa and Central America.

You’ve literally brought nothing to discuss to the table my person!

Fucking Matt Walsh is your valid source? The guy that says consent isn’t real, and that we should be able to marry and impregnate teenage girls is your source? What the actual fuck my person? You still have no studies or internal memo, etc. this is all heresay

Have you been to the Southwest or South? The number of racists who date Black and Latina women is astounding. Look at the proud boys who are married to minorities yet support a racist, fascist group?! The way the term is used is blatantly racist!

That’s bullshit, because I can claim anything without any actual evidence to back it as true.

Have you met most of the Vice Presidents? I mean Dan Quail, Pence, Spiro Agnew, etc come to mind who are worse than Harris

So, no you don’t have anything empirical to support your argument, gotcha. Man that’s a lot of projection on your end there

Still haven’t explained why she is incompetent

You never stated why she’s incompetent

Take your pick, on making a misogynistic or racist argument or both. I don’t like her, but she has been more qualified that Pence and will be more qualified than whomever Trump runs with this election cyvle

Your bigotry is showing

She’s not great, but more qualified than Pence who made Indiana an even bigger shit hole than it was by the time his time in office was up

So, unless you got actual studies your entire argument is SOURCE: TRUST ME, BRAH! Anecdotal arguments are garbage without empirical evidence to back the claim you’re making

Oh how you figure that? Because have you met Mike Pence? Aside from being a racist and homophobe dude was so incompetent he allowed one of the worst outbreaks of HIV/ AIDS occur under his watch as he was against safe sex measures like providing free condoms

This is a silly what about ism and a straw man argument — there are idiots of any group who can believe in the supremacy of their group, what we’re saying is there is no wide spread Black Supremacy movement that has the power or enough members to enforce a Black Supremacy system while there is one for White Supremacy.

Bad bot

You’re literally saying lower quality, you’re just using double talk to do so

Got a source confirming this claim?

How is what people are saying to counter your argument nonsensical?

The implication is they only got their job because of ethnicity or race, when they got the job because they were qualified AND companies had to interview qualified candidates from a marginalized community.

You get without foreigners and an influx of new thinking cultures and societies stagnate, right? Immigration and immigrants were the driving force of innovation in the US, Canada, and even Mexico over the last century and a half to 2 centuries.

There must be a subreddit for Grade A Schizoposting… All equity means is realizing we all start at different spots and literally providing mostly children opportunities to have the opportunity to all get a high quality education, get healthcare, and be able to eat. It’s literally the smartest way to organize because we maximize the ability of our human capital and then we truly let natural differences in skill and intellect lead toward the best and most innovative minds running things. It’s literally saying we’ll give everyone a chance because it will maximize our collective strength. Do you really think being an adult is living “Greek Life” into adulthood and living like we’re frat boys? We’re all interconnected my person. Without diversity you can’t get unique and new ways of thinking and innovation

I don’t think I need to learn much from someone named DeportForeigners

No one is saying Revolution, you can have capitalism that is less exploitative, like stakeholder capitalism you see via the Nordic Model and the other Western European versions. You get we provide very cushy socialist policies to the Capitalist class via subsides and bailouts, right? [Whenever the government provides opportunities in privileges for white people and rich people they call it “subsidized” when they do it for Negro and poor people they call it “welfare.” The fact that is the everybody in this country lives on welfare. Suburbia was built with federally subsidized credit. And highways that take our white brothers out to the suburbs were built with federally subsidized money to the tune of 90 percent. Everybody is on welfare in this country.](https://cityobservatory.org/dr-king-socialism-for-the-rich-and-rugged-free-enterprise-capitalism-for-the-poor/) [The problem is that we all to often have socialism for the rich and rugged free enterprise capitalism for the poor. That’s the problem.](https://cityobservatory.org/dr-king-socialism-for-the-rich-and-rugged-free-enterprise-capitalism-for-the-poor/) “The Minister to the Valley,” February 23, 1968, From the archives of the SCLC.*

You’re missing that White Supremaists don’t want equity because it challenges White people, especially White men’s economic and political power as the system is artificially rigged to ensure they are the dominant political and economic group in America. Capitalists don’t want equity because then they would lose the ability to engage in wage theft and exploit people for their labor. The American Capitalist economy has been built on the exploitation of Black Americans and immigrants. If we had equity measures and were able to affect change then companies would have to pay better and cut into profits for shareholders

Actually read Sowell, he makes the bootstraps argument and literally blames Black people for struggling to overcome systemic racism Even amongst scholars with a more Centrist or Conservative position see his bootstraps argument as foolish as it ignores systemic racism and makes a genetic and cultural flaw argument saying Black people are inept and incapable of bettering themselves and essentially should be where they are since they essentially allowed themselves to be inferior. You know real self hate bullshit [Sowell seems to assert that slavery and its lingering effects have no impact on the current destructive acts or sensibilities of African Americans.](https://www.mississippifreepress.org/21122/white-supremacy-vs-negro-ineptitude-sowells-myths-of-economic-inequality) [does not address specific times that the U.S. government explicitly took or stole wealth from African Americans, such as the U.S. government taking Frederick Douglass’ contribution to the Freedmen Bank, then closing the bank and never returning Douglass’ funds or the funds of other contributors. Nor did they redirect those seized funds into other efforts to aid newly freed African Americans. The same can be said of the destruction of Black Wall Street in Tulsa. So, yes—white supremacy only succeeds because of Negro ineptitude. But we cannot ignore the U.S. government’s rooted history of actively destroying or stealing Black wealth. Thus, I’d like Thomas Sowell to be more balanced in his factual presentation of why African Americans continue to be second-class citizens. It’s a combination of white supremacy and Negro ineptitude. To highlight one without the other is unempirical and can be malicious](https://www.mississippifreepress.org/21122/white-supremacy-vs-negro-ineptitude-sowells-myths-of-economic-inequality)

Look at the second quote, he literally says a bunch of Uncle Ruckus shit in that one

[McDaniel said he had an epiphany at an early age when he was visiting his grandmother on his father’s side of the game. When he looked at the photos around the house, he realized he looked different than other members of his family. “It is surreal when I think about it, but I remember one particular day, walking around and all of a sudden noticing that, ‘Hey, I’m the only fair-skinned person in all these picture frames,’” McDaniel said. “My grandmother on my dad’s side is Black. My dad’s Black. “I can honestly say up to that point, I hadn’t noticed that I was different in two fields. I was different in that I was multi-racial to the world. But even within my own family, I was different from them. I was just kind of a unicorn.”](https://www.nbcsportsbayarea.com/nfl/san-francisco-49ers/why-football-is-more-than-just-a-sport-to-49ers-oc-mcdaniel/1135561/)

Insert blinking guy meme… [My mom's white, my dad's Black. I've been extremely proud of that my whole life,](https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/33269078/new-miami-dolphins-coach-mike-mcdaniel-extremely-proud-biracial)

How?

Got a source? Especially since it’s mainly white women and some Poor White men that benefit the most from DEI policies

Can you explain to me what you think is wrong with diversity, equity, or inclusion?

Equity is a meritocracy, because the upper middle class white portion of America is born on 3rd base while much of the rest of the population, minorities especially, aren’t even allowed in the backdoor

Because he defended Jim Crow and the legal policies that allowed states to use the 13th Amendment to enslave minorities and poor White men to a lesser degree. The 13th loophole creates the downward for profit spiral that leads us to having the highest prison population on Earth. Sowell is also stating that it is wrong to give women more rights and economic freedom as well as the acceptance of LBGTQ folks. He is insanely conservative

The black family survived centuries of slavery and generations of Jim Crow, but it has disintegrated in the wake of the liberals’ expansion of the welfare state. Lavern literally destroyed families as people were stolen from their families in Africa to go to the Americas. Then if they found a partner their partner, themselves, or their kids could be - and regularly were - sold to other slave owners and separated. The children of raped slaves were not allowed to be with their fathers and mixed race kids were denied their claim to their father’s inheritance. Jim Crow created the school to prison pipeline via the 13th Amendment and re legalized slavery in the South — hence chain gangs. Separate but Equal allowed for states to steal money from HBCUS ([over half a billion dollars just in Tennessee alone](https://www.npr.org/2021/05/13/996617532/behind-the-underfunding-of-hbcus)aand underfund k-12 which has led to the socio economic conditions that have created the school to prison pipeline.

Much of the social history of the Western world, over the past three decades, has been a history of replacing what worked with what sounded good. Dude’s argument literally defends slavery and Jim Crow

One what?

Why?! Literally what has she done besides being at her boyfriend’s games? Why is the Right going “REEEEE”?

Dude, just cause your position falls apart doesn’t mean someone else is dumb…

You get without the rule many of the leagues minority HCs wouldn’t get an interview and get hired? Y’all so ignorant I bet you didn’t even realize Mike McDaniel is a Rooney rule guy? The rule was created because FFS 40 years ago teams would pass on a guy like McDaniel because they would be concerned about how people would perceive them hiring a Black coach… Owners and other NFL coaches, colluded to keep minority coaches out of HC jobs.

You can be a minority and still spout racist bullshit — look at Thomas Sowell?!?

Correct, Reagan fucked Air Traffic Control to win over ultra conservatives and break unions - he was on that Margaret Thatcher bullshit

Boeing has nothing to do with D&I, how did you make this connection? Or the connnection with Air Traffic Control?

Dude, you’re literally pushing Alt Lite White Supremacy… you do get that in a league predominantly made up of minorities the fact there are very few Black, Latino, Indigenous, or Asian head coaches is nuts considering the number of elite level coordinators of color there are in the NFL. The NFL had to institute this so minority coaches could get a shot at HC jobs and Rooney (Pittsburgh’s Owner) saw it as a way to instill equity and help teams get the best coach, not just a coach.