Tell me about what you would consider a good gun control argument. Because I have a suspicion that anything short of tacitly agreeing with you would be brushed off as a bad take.

How entrenched in government were gun lobbyists in the late 30s?

My main point is that the Supreme Court visited this issue in like 1940 and the ruling agreed with the interpretation that I agree with today. It stood for 70 years until gun lobby had an opening to sway the court in 2008. Look what happens to gun deaths after 2008, particularly suicide. I know correlation doesn’t necessarily mean causation, but there is a clear correlation. I just want to be clear in your argument. You really the framers really meant for guns to be as ubiquitous a part of our society as they are today? You really believe *this* was the vision of the founders? That’s fucking depressing.

Why include the language at all? Just saying that the right to keep and bear arms covers all of it. Why bother? It’s clearly to make a distinction.

That’s not what I said. Maybe you should reexamine your reading comp skills. I said it’s about context. And the context does not reasonably conclude that it means a fucking free for all. In fact, we probably would be having this conversation if not for the efforts of private interests in 2008.

Do you think I have the power to change the constitution? I’m flattered. The intent, and what stood since its inception to 2008 is that the 2nd was written to ensure the federal gov could not infringe on States’ individual rights to defend themselves. They didn’t just write the whole first half of the amendment for no reason. The wording is specific and concise. The words “well-regulated militia” aren’t in there by mistake. In 2008 a conservative Supreme Court overturned the long standing precedent that did not view 2A as a mechanism to give every individual a right to keep and bear arms. By a margin of 5-4, hardly a landslide and, with more recent info coming out about Clarence Thomas’ sketchy dealings with corporate lobbyists, was undoubtedly influenced by the gun lobby. The framers had it right in the first place. They didn’t mean that every single person should be able to go down to Walmart and pick up an AR-15 just for fun. Any reasonable person would come to that conclusion because it’s so fucking obvious. And it’s so obvious because not a day goes by that we’re not overwhelmed with stories of gun violence and innocent bloodshed. But, hey, at least you get to feel cool at the range with your buddies. Totally worth it.

Look who’s redefining terms to fit their narrative. Something about pots and kettles. Anyway, here I am in a bad faith goose chase like I said I wouldn’t do. Disengaging. If you think the 2nd was written so any old fuckhead on the street should have the inalienable right to be strapped with a high powered rifle, you can go fuck a gun. That’s as disingenuous as it gets. The bar needs to be higher. It could start by existing. Until then I’ll just hope my kids don’t get gunned down by one of your fellow enthusiasts. I will not reply after this.

Barring the gun lobby from DC would be a great start.

Another commenter mentioned how whoever supplied the kids who shot up the KC parade will never be pursued. Diligence like that could go a long way.

Also, if you really read it, the 2nd allows for a well-regulated militia to keep and bear arms. Says nothing about your every day dipshit being able to walk around with an AR strapped to his back. What you describe when you say we are guaranteed access to firearms is a gross misrepresentation of the intent of the amendment and disingenuous as hell.

Ideologically possessed, that’s cute. When it comes to tightening up regulations around firearms and enforcing laws that are already on the books, the 2A crowd is absolutely saying “do nothing.” It’s not just one way or the other. There are many factors and those factors include ease of access to deadly weapons, poor/no systems in place to dispossess known unstable/dangerous individuals of their guns, and addressing mental health on a mass scale. It’s not either/or. It’s all of it.

Are you familiar with paraphrasing or are you dumb enough that you need everything spelled out for you? Get a brain.

You made the incredibly stupid rape/dick comparison to begin with, right? I know better than to engage in some bad faith goose chase with you. Look and read. Anyone with anything other than an affirmative response to the fact that we NEED to do something about this glaringly obvious and tragic issue is part of the problem. You can be pro gun AND pro common sense gun regulations and actual enforcement of gun laws that are on the books. What we have now is a disaster.

All these assholes in this thread saying “Do nothing. It’s the price for freedom,” are the reason this problem will never end. Let your kid get shot and then tell me that’s an acceptable price for your “freedom.” America is fucked. It’s a race to the bottom.

Just a painfully dumb and tired argument. There’s no comparison.