The amount health care workers are wearing one is just far more in far more intense environments. I'm talking about people going to the store or something.

I'm not even talking about laws, it's a measure with a large benefit for everyone and basically no cost other than "it's uncomfortable"

I hate the from versus of debate because it's stupid. It's a macro versus micro thing. A good analogy is smoking. We know smoking causes cancer but in an individual case, there's no way of knowing if a particular cancer diagnosis was from smoking or not. Or why smoking doesn't lead to cancer in some people. We can know there is a massive impact from the pandemic without having to worry about individual cases. But there has also been basically no talk about QALY with this pandemic. Is it just to lock elderly people in a nursing home with no social contact for a year to extend life a few more years? I honestly have no idea. But they are very legitimate questions that get completely lost in the stupid discourse about masks and shit. And yes, mask wearing should be universal. Shaming people for outdoor gatherings is dumb. I think I've managed to have a view that pisses off everyone at this point so I'll leave it at that.