If you are so offended by what someone says on their personal twitter that you need a code of conduct to feel safe, grow a thicker skin or kindly fuck the hell off.
Projects like this and private life have nothing to do with eachother.
I really wish them goddamn sjw would stop killing every hobby I have. As a female programmer, I do not wish t be associated with these crazies at all
How the fuck do these crazies function in the real world?
To all those "get these politics/drama out of my sight, I don't want to hear it" people out there I'd just like to point out that issues won't just go away if you ignore them. You might not care about this now, but what will you do when you get kicked out of an open source project, your GitHub repository is deleted, or you lose your job because someone launches a hate campaign against you because of what you said on a public forum about something completely unrelated to any of these activities?
These people (who are often referred to as Social Justice Warriors) will go to great lengths to ruin the lives of people who don't agree with their ideologies. People who work on open source projects, and especially the people who lead or manage such projects, need to know how to properly deal with dangers like these if the want their projects to survive. The NCoC gives good advice for that.
It's eminently clear that the whole purpose of these demands for a "Code of Conduct" is to silence people who say things SJWs don't like.
That being said, the wording on the actual page is contradictory (emphasis mine):
We are simply trying to end this idea that how people contribute to an open source project, and what they do on their personal twitter account, by default, do not need to be dragged into their open source project.
The "end this idea" part should be changed to a positive statement -- "We are simply trying to promote the idea". As it stands, the passage makes it sound like the author is in favor of dragging Twitter posts into open source projects.
I want to add that the people pushing for codes of conduct for the FreeBSD project, or trying to get that other guy kicked out of the project, do not seem to understand how the open source communities work.
Most interactions are like:
Do you have the unit tests ready?
Does the new code pass the tests?
What can't you figure out?
Is Jeff/Rick/Ton available to merge the changes?
Are we on schedule to release on Friday?
etc.
At no point the political views of anyone come up. Everything is very aseptic and related to the work that needs to be done. Why are these people trying to contaminate open source projects with stuff that has nothing to do with writing code??
You have to keep the context in mind: the two recent examples where SJWs called for CoCs happened because someone said something on Twitter, an SJW took offense, the SJW investigated the person and found out that they were part of an open source project, and then went to the open-source project to complain about it as a means of harassing that person. There is no benevolent intent here, it is purely intended to silence and harass.
These people need to understand that lots of great projects lack devs. If the entire coding world was as picky as SJWs nothing would get done and countless great projects would just die. It reminds me of the oculus keynote where John Carmack was asked about their "gender gap". These people have no idea what it takes it get shit done, but that's not going to stop them for bitching about, judging, and trying to change projects based on what they feel. It's insanity.
There's a big difference between:
I hate jews!
and:
def make_table(cols, rows):
a, b, i = 1, 1, 1
while i != cols:
print "N^%d\t\t" % (i),
i+=1
print "N^%d\t\t" % (i)
while a != (rows + 1):
while b < cols:
print "%d\t\t" % (a**b),
b+=1
print "%d\t\t" % (a**b)
b = 1
a+=1
If you see the connection, you're a fucking idiot.
Hey! I'm still learning python and that's just part of a little script I wrote recently to test something. After reading this post I thought that project looked like fun, so I made my own to try and create a dynamic table from user input.
Stuff like what happened on FreeBSD and Opal will tend to lead to LESS inclusion, look at the amount of people whats her name, bsdgirl, is effectively getting to attack FreeBSD the project now to get her way?
What benefit would they gain by including her?
Since when does an open source project have anything to do with anyone's personal opinion?
I support freedom of speech as much as anyone I know anywhere, but secretly, I wish that people with very ignorant views would just keep them to themselves and not spout them off on public places. Just that by itself would prevent so much drama.
Jesus why do identity politics weasel its way into programming? You would think it would be the one thing free from it because computers are the farthest things from humans, but somehow being otherkin or some shit is perfectly valid next to your actual job title.
Why can't they just shut up and code like the rest of us? Any person who's obsessed with titles is not the type of person you want working in your company anyways.
27 comments
26 u/Espurra 23 Jun 2015 19:06
If you are so offended by what someone says on their personal twitter that you need a code of conduct to feel safe, grow a thicker skin or kindly fuck the hell off.
Projects like this and private life have nothing to do with eachother.
I really wish them goddamn sjw would stop killing every hobby I have. As a female programmer, I do not wish t be associated with these crazies at all
How the fuck do these crazies function in the real world?
7 u/yewbontheboat 23 Jun 2015 19:17
There is a great deal of money that can be made being a professional SJW now adays.
1 u/neofatalist 23 Jun 2015 19:27
It's the new brown coats. Before you know it you are being hauled off by the secret SJW police.
0 u/taxation_is_slavery 23 Jun 2015 21:14
In Canada that's called a "Human Rights Tribunal". Wish I was joking.
12 u/prepare_your_anii 23 Jun 2015 20:25
To all those "get these politics/drama out of my sight, I don't want to hear it" people out there I'd just like to point out that issues won't just go away if you ignore them. You might not care about this now, but what will you do when you get kicked out of an open source project, your GitHub repository is deleted, or you lose your job because someone launches a hate campaign against you because of what you said on a public forum about something completely unrelated to any of these activities?
These people (who are often referred to as Social Justice Warriors) will go to great lengths to ruin the lives of people who don't agree with their ideologies. People who work on open source projects, and especially the people who lead or manage such projects, need to know how to properly deal with dangers like these if the want their projects to survive. The NCoC gives good advice for that.
1 u/skeeto 23 Jun 2015 21:56
What's your advice to open source developers being targeted by these people?
8 u/setitimer 23 Jun 2015 18:23
It's eminently clear that the whole purpose of these demands for a "Code of Conduct" is to silence people who say things SJWs don't like.
That being said, the wording on the actual page is contradictory (emphasis mine):
The "end this idea" part should be changed to a positive statement -- "We are simply trying to promote the idea". As it stands, the passage makes it sound like the author is in favor of dragging Twitter posts into open source projects.
2 u/Draugo [OP] 23 Jun 2015 18:35
"A double negative!" "You mean you have photographs?"
2 u/setitimer 23 Jun 2015 19:11
"Sounds like a confession to me!"
2 u/Draugo [OP] 23 Jun 2015 19:17
The fact that you got that reference makes me way more happy than it should. Apparently I was more depressed than I thought today.
0 u/setitimer 23 Jun 2015 19:18
It's one of my favorite movies, and the double negative bit was always one of my favorite moments, along with the singing telegram of course.
1 u/Draugo [OP] 23 Jun 2015 19:20
I was going to make one more reference but then I came to the conclusion that we'll be here for all day if I do that.
0 u/ITW 07 Jul 2015 06:35
Photographs - > Camera - > Flash - > Explosions -> Triggered PTSD -> Plz Ban Draugo -> Jk this isn't reddit.
7 u/pao_is_a_tranny 23 Jun 2015 18:58
I want to add that the people pushing for codes of conduct for the FreeBSD project, or trying to get that other guy kicked out of the project, do not seem to understand how the open source communities work.
Most interactions are like:
Do you have the unit tests ready?
Does the new code pass the tests?
What can't you figure out?
Is Jeff/Rick/Ton available to merge the changes?
Are we on schedule to release on Friday?
etc.
At no point the political views of anyone come up. Everything is very aseptic and related to the work that needs to be done. Why are these people trying to contaminate open source projects with stuff that has nothing to do with writing code??
8 u/setitimer 23 Jun 2015 19:06
You have to keep the context in mind: the two recent examples where SJWs called for CoCs happened because someone said something on Twitter, an SJW took offense, the SJW investigated the person and found out that they were part of an open source project, and then went to the open-source project to complain about it as a means of harassing that person. There is no benevolent intent here, it is purely intended to silence and harass.
7 u/Draugo [OP] 23 Jun 2015 17:47
Didn't see this one here yet. After what happened on Opal and what seems to be happening on FreeBSD I thought it would be timely to post this.
14 u/Cid 23 Jun 2015 18:41
I wish this surprised me...
These people need to understand that lots of great projects lack devs. If the entire coding world was as picky as SJWs nothing would get done and countless great projects would just die. It reminds me of the oculus keynote where John Carmack was asked about their "gender gap". These people have no idea what it takes it get shit done, but that's not going to stop them for bitching about, judging, and trying to change projects based on what they feel. It's insanity.
There's a big difference between:
and:
If you see the connection, you're a fucking idiot.
4 u/neofatalist 23 Jun 2015 19:25
"I don't give a fuck... I have an agenda to push. WOAH! I got an applause! I am becoming relevant."
9 u/Bainshie 23 Jun 2015 19:34
Well if all people who hated jews coded that badly I'd support a ban :D Name your variables god damn it.
0 u/Cid 23 Jun 2015 21:28
Hey! I'm still learning python and that's just part of a little script I wrote recently to test something. After reading this post I thought that project looked like fun, so I made my own to try and create a dynamic table from user input.
3 u/yewbontheboat 23 Jun 2015 19:21
Stuff like what happened on FreeBSD and Opal will tend to lead to LESS inclusion, look at the amount of people whats her name, bsdgirl, is effectively getting to attack FreeBSD the project now to get her way?
What benefit would they gain by including her?
Since when does an open source project have anything to do with anyone's personal opinion?
2 u/bscoder 23 Jun 2015 20:44
I support freedom of speech as much as anyone I know anywhere, but secretly, I wish that people with very ignorant views would just keep them to themselves and not spout them off on public places. Just that by itself would prevent so much drama.
2 u/codioBunny 23 Jun 2015 22:26
Jesus why do identity politics weasel its way into programming? You would think it would be the one thing free from it because computers are the farthest things from humans, but somehow being otherkin or some shit is perfectly valid next to your actual job title.
Why can't they just shut up and code like the rest of us? Any person who's obsessed with titles is not the type of person you want working in your company anyways.
1 u/edgelord 24 Jun 2015 00:15
Why is it such a big deal that a company has a code of conduct? Isn't that standard?