You are correct. That's because the article's author doesn't understand math. The actual percentage is 2.1% and 14%. Only 2.1% could correctly code both problems. Only 14% could solve the problems at all.
Reading comprehension fail. The 36% was the number that could write code that compiled at all. The percentage who could actually solve the problems was much lower (as you say).
I work at a company where 100% of everything before I got here was done by indian programmers. Needless to say everything they programmed was as shitty as the ganges river. Over the course of 6 months I cleaned up the entire project and turned it into an actually usable, sellable, product. I'm honestly super lazy but management thinks i'm the greatest programmer in the world because all they have to compare me to are the retarded indians before me. They let me get away with pretty much anything because they think im so invaluable and irreplaceable. I smoke weed at work pretty much every day and on "bring your daughter to work day" I brought my gf to work, told everyone she was my daughter, and then fucked her on my desk in the afternoon. I mean, they hired a bunch of programmers who litterally shit in the same river they drink from. What did they expect the end result to look like?
gf, not wife. We have a decent sized age gap to start with, but she's also very petite with little a-cup tits so basically people usually assume shes 12.
At the company I used to work at, the owner, being a money-grubbing s.o.b., hired five Indian programmers to write our new application. The program manager (white guy) was lazy and careless, and he didn't do his job of checking the results of each of the Indian people. Everything the Indians wrote was shit. The owner, not being a fundamentally honest person, refused to face the fact that he had fucked up by hiring these cheap-ass Indians who only wanted to get out of India and weren't concerned about actually producing usable code. This "new version" crap got started in 2002. By 2009, all the Indians were gone and just about all of what they wrote had to be laboriously fixed or just scraped and done over from scratch. It was an enormous waste of time, money and opportunity. We were one of the leaders of our market when the re-write started but the company's fortunes are going down the drain now. The owner thought he was a smart s.o.b. but it turns out he was dumb-ass of the first degree. Oh, and he hired an Indian as CFO and all this guy did was constantly badger the owner for raises.
I actually have a very low opinion of Indians now. The Hindoos who came into India thousands of years ago were white, and they established the first civilization in India. Since then, race-mixing has steadily lowered the Indian IQ and what we get are these semi-smart cunning liars who get their H-1B's and then pretend they can do computer work.
The 36% number is pushed by people who can't math worth a fuck. The actual number is 2.1%!
The dumb editor added 14% and 22% for the 36%. That's completely wrong. Only 2.1% could perform at the intersection of both problems. Only 14% could solve the problems at all.
My experience places it at around 0.05%. Comments from others I've worked with, at lower tiers, say that they see around 2% of Indians are worth a damn. So it seems as the technical complexity increases the odds of an Indian performing satisfactory decreases dramatically. Even for basic grunt work, the odds of success are fairly low.
Really underscores the idiocy of pure fraud of the H1B program.
Only 36% could write code any code that would compile at all, not taking into account whether it would run without crashing, was correct, or solved the problem.
This was of two simple toy problems given to them. 36% were able to write code that compiled for one or both. However only 14% were able to write compilable code for both toy problems.
But it's worse than that. Less than 5% could write correct code that actually solved the problem and didn't crash.
And most of those guys wrote code that, although correct, had terrible performance. Only 2% could write correct code that was reasonably efficient.
This wasn't some small study either. They tested 36,800 graduates of over 500 different colleges.
I recently 'had my position terminated' after 9 months as a senior dev. LAMP stack, mainly DevOps type of work, ranging from diagnosing server issues to debugging jquery to dealing with their proprietary feed system (php and MySQL). About 50 people work there, its in SoCal, and theyre pretty profitable.
There is a healthy mix of people. Asian, white, indian, hispanic. No blacks though.
There is this one shining example of diversity that recently came back from maternity leave after 13 months. Yes, thirteen. First day back I get to meet her, and she cant understand a single word I said. I politely exited the conversation and promptly forgot about her. In my mind, she was just a non-entity. Never interacting except with another indian, never contributing, never socializing.
Fast forward to 2 weeks ago. My position is terminated because 'its just not the right fit.' Not a performance reason. Just, I dont fit in as well as the non english speaking, 13 month maternity leave, non contributing indian.
Yeah, I sold my login info to a hacker site this week. Call it my severance package, fucks.
There was a thread the other day on how outsourcing is killing our job market. I tried to state outsourcing was not what everyone thinks. It's not a no brainer. People like to blame shit, me included. In this case the only thing to blame is yourself for not being value added and interesting.
It's cheaper to hire Pajeets to fuck up and then have someone else fix it than it is to hire someone competent that will get it right on the first try.
In this case the only thing to blame is yourself for not being value added and interesting.
I am not denying the economics behind it hombre.
Holy shit you are a slave morality faggot. The state controls the value of the currency. The state can devalue the US Dollar the same way China and other shit countries do. The lower the value of your currency relative to other currencies, the more your exports and jobs go up, because foreigners can afford to buy more of your shit, and foreign companies can open up cheaper factories in your country.
So it isn't the case that the only thing to blame is yourself. You can blame China for devaluing its currency and other countries for having shit labor laws. You can blame American entrepreneurs for chasing after risky higher returns in foreign countries instead of taking lower, but safer returns domestically. You can blame the American government for making the American job market and environment so shit for businesses. And you can blame Indians for coming to America to work instead of staying in India and improving their homeland.
The last person you should ever blame for anything is yourself, unless it is an accident you made directly. Government policy is out of your control.
Breh. You can be creative, technical, minimal, controversial, the list goes on, and make money. Are you trying to say it's healthy to blame problems on others? Sounds like people we don't take kind to here you pussy fart. You're flimsy as shit.
These things you blame are huge forces. Either do something or shut up. Evolution has always existed. When a cold winter came to primitive humans did everyone say oh well we'll all die ill blame the winter? Doesn't matter. But the people that stocked up, had formidable shelter, etc got through it. Do illegal non violent shit if you don't agree with the laws. I don't give a fuck as long as you provide for yourself.
If you're value added and interesting you'll have opportunities. Maybe not go out every weekend and have a brand new iPhone every release, but opportunities. Don't settle if you don't want. But don't be entitled either you pathetic victim.
I agree I'm not getting to down on yourself (blame) if opportunity passes. Keep looking for it. Later Sally.
I work with local and those off-shore (in India) and have been doing do in a professional environment for several years in my role as a game designer.
It's been my experience that those that come to work locally are much better equipped with the skill sets needed for writing functional and efficient code while those that are not properly equipped are left behind in India to pick up the out-sourced tasks.
This would be interesting if there weren't so many people in the industry already trying to put down other people for small, easily fixable instances where code doesn't compile. Sometimes people made a small change and didn't build before checking in code or a single file is excluded from the check in and people go "REEEEE anon's code didn't compile. REEEEE anon can't code REEEEE give me a raise now for identifying this and clearly I'm king coder for writing code that compiles. No one has ever said this about ME!" even though they might have made the same mistake a dozen times and simply covered it up.
I agree with having the machine grade it. That's what ALL my profs in college did and it was retardedly brittle and they'd use naive programmer technique to do one thing: do an exact string comparison at the end of the program for all or no credit.... i never fucked with that "get every single character right" shit, good thing my programming partner was behind me in skill and i did the bulk of the work while he did the little shit. I didn't even know those were graded like that for a long time.
Most indian and paki 'engineers' are no work employees, like mobsters on construction payrolls. Leftists get them H1B visas to assuage their white guilt and 'diversify' America. Traitors at best.
I love it when these faggots call the noc because their shitty application or 3rd party vendor is for shit. Look Sumar, the network is fine. Or trust me, I would be on bigger, more important bridges.
I interviewed for an internship an Indian woman pursuing her masters in computer science at a nonaccredited division 1 university. Her undergrad came from some Indian college. Her resume was fantastic.
She couldnt do merge sort, nor could she figure it out when I told her the algorithm.
We picked the guy with 2 semesters of programming at a local community college for the internship. He was/is a fantastic intern.
College students that are given diplomas because having brown-skinned graduates makes the school look good, who then go on to get hired at jobs they don't deserve because the government pays their employer to hire them.
In the US Census, people with origins or ancestry in the Far East, Southeast Asia, and the Indian subcontinent are classified as part of the Asian race.
When Indians write down their race on applications, they write down "Asian".
I find these results very questionable. They're based on an automated assessment tool http://www.aspiringminds.com/technology/automata
There are only sparse details on how that works. They also appear to be basing it on "known" good coding techniques, without any listings, and despite the rest of us always arguing about what is good and bad.
While the situation may not be good, this study is completely untrustworthy. It's just a company trying to sell their questionable HR product.
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32 u/BitterBiped 10 May 2017 14:44
36% is pretty high from my experience.
3 u/Dibgick 10 May 2017 20:27
That's because they could copy/paste in the exam.
5 u/RoundWheel 10 May 2017 20:30
You are correct. That's because the article's author doesn't understand math. The actual percentage is 2.1% and 14%. Only 2.1% could correctly code both problems. Only 14% could solve the problems at all.
3 u/tame 11 May 2017 04:18
Reading comprehension fail. The 36% was the number that could write code that compiled at all. The percentage who could actually solve the problems was much lower (as you say).
0 u/RoundWheel 11 May 2017 17:26
It's ironic that you accuse someone of what you are literally doing. You should read both the article and my comments.
I'll be here when you're ready to apologize.
19 u/juicedidwtc 10 May 2017 17:35
I work at a company where 100% of everything before I got here was done by indian programmers. Needless to say everything they programmed was as shitty as the ganges river. Over the course of 6 months I cleaned up the entire project and turned it into an actually usable, sellable, product. I'm honestly super lazy but management thinks i'm the greatest programmer in the world because all they have to compare me to are the retarded indians before me. They let me get away with pretty much anything because they think im so invaluable and irreplaceable. I smoke weed at work pretty much every day and on "bring your daughter to work day" I brought my gf to work, told everyone she was my daughter, and then fucked her on my desk in the afternoon. I mean, they hired a bunch of programmers who litterally shit in the same river they drink from. What did they expect the end result to look like?
3 u/greycloud 10 May 2017 17:53
your wife look that young? lucky bastard.
1 u/juicedidwtc 10 May 2017 17:56
gf, not wife. We have a decent sized age gap to start with, but she's also very petite with little a-cup tits so basically people usually assume shes 12.
1 u/greycloud 10 May 2017 17:57
petite, short, good skin and hair, soft facial features and voice, can pass for young to me. those women are super rare anymore, i am jealous.
1 u/juicedidwtc 10 May 2017 21:10
dont forget little tits! little tits are thr best
0 u/illbrbwithmyflipflop 10 May 2017 21:13
fucker!
6 u/TheCompanionCube 10 May 2017 18:04
Lmfao I want your story to be true so bad
3 u/Buzzzard 10 May 2017 20:04
At the company I used to work at, the owner, being a money-grubbing s.o.b., hired five Indian programmers to write our new application. The program manager (white guy) was lazy and careless, and he didn't do his job of checking the results of each of the Indian people. Everything the Indians wrote was shit. The owner, not being a fundamentally honest person, refused to face the fact that he had fucked up by hiring these cheap-ass Indians who only wanted to get out of India and weren't concerned about actually producing usable code. This "new version" crap got started in 2002. By 2009, all the Indians were gone and just about all of what they wrote had to be laboriously fixed or just scraped and done over from scratch. It was an enormous waste of time, money and opportunity. We were one of the leaders of our market when the re-write started but the company's fortunes are going down the drain now. The owner thought he was a smart s.o.b. but it turns out he was dumb-ass of the first degree. Oh, and he hired an Indian as CFO and all this guy did was constantly badger the owner for raises.
I actually have a very low opinion of Indians now. The Hindoos who came into India thousands of years ago were white, and they established the first civilization in India. Since then, race-mixing has steadily lowered the Indian IQ and what we get are these semi-smart cunning liars who get their H-1B's and then pretend they can do computer work.
1 u/illbrbwithmyflipflop 10 May 2017 21:15
Really? Do you have a link to a source(s) for this?
0 u/DickHertz 10 May 2017 22:13
From that description of your workplace my guess is whatever their expectations were they never imagined you :)
0 u/Dildoe_Swagginz 10 May 2017 22:24
You totally didn't make that up.
11 u/aria_taint 10 May 2017 15:54
Even less wear deodorant
7 u/K-Money 10 May 2017 16:02
And even less poo in the loo
3 u/library_of_stupid 10 May 2017 16:27
I sometimes wonder what happened to India. They used to be an advanced civilization at one point. How the hell did they end up in this sorry state?
1 u/CobraStallone 10 May 2017 20:23
Possibly the Dravidians overran the Aryans genetically. Also, they had several Muslim invasions and big Muslim empires.
2 u/Datawych 10 May 2017 20:54
Punjabi muds have been raping their way further and further into Rajastan since Islam's inception.
0 u/svipbo 14 May 2017 11:44
Miscegenation with low-caste Dravidians.
0 u/ArthurEdens 10 May 2017 17:20
spit my water out haha
0 u/o_V_o 13 May 2017 18:35
But why would anyone expect you to be able to speak English, right?
9 u/RoundWheel 10 May 2017 17:48
The 36% number is pushed by people who can't math worth a fuck. The actual number is 2.1%!
The dumb editor added 14% and 22% for the 36%. That's completely wrong. Only 2.1% could perform at the intersection of both problems. Only 14% could solve the problems at all.
My experience places it at around 0.05%. Comments from others I've worked with, at lower tiers, say that they see around 2% of Indians are worth a damn. So it seems as the technical complexity increases the odds of an Indian performing satisfactory decreases dramatically. Even for basic grunt work, the odds of success are fairly low.
Really underscores the idiocy of pure fraud of the H1B program.
1 u/juicedidwtc 10 May 2017 21:09
14% wrote something compileable for both questions, 22% wrote something compileable for one but not the other. So adding them up to 36% is correct
0 u/RoundWheel 10 May 2017 21:46
Only if correct is for all forms of "correct." If you actually want correct, then 36% is not correct.
7 u/BistroPalin 10 May 2017 20:14
If you look at the actual study it's even worse.
Only 36% could write code any code that would compile at all, not taking into account whether it would run without crashing, was correct, or solved the problem.
This was of two simple toy problems given to them. 36% were able to write code that compiled for one or both. However only 14% were able to write compilable code for both toy problems.
But it's worse than that. Less than 5% could write correct code that actually solved the problem and didn't crash.
And most of those guys wrote code that, although correct, had terrible performance. Only 2% could write correct code that was reasonably efficient.
This wasn't some small study either. They tested 36,800 graduates of over 500 different colleges.
0 u/Atarian 10 May 2017 21:33
To be fair this is how most programmers work. Why do you think most programs are bloated bags of barely working shit?
But then again, most commercial software is written by Indians now... O_o
5 u/Mouse-Ball-Z 10 May 2017 21:30
I recently 'had my position terminated' after 9 months as a senior dev. LAMP stack, mainly DevOps type of work, ranging from diagnosing server issues to debugging jquery to dealing with their proprietary feed system (php and MySQL). About 50 people work there, its in SoCal, and theyre pretty profitable.
There is a healthy mix of people. Asian, white, indian, hispanic. No blacks though.
There is this one shining example of diversity that recently came back from maternity leave after 13 months. Yes, thirteen. First day back I get to meet her, and she cant understand a single word I said. I politely exited the conversation and promptly forgot about her. In my mind, she was just a non-entity. Never interacting except with another indian, never contributing, never socializing.
Fast forward to 2 weeks ago. My position is terminated because 'its just not the right fit.' Not a performance reason. Just, I dont fit in as well as the non english speaking, 13 month maternity leave, non contributing indian.
Yeah, I sold my login info to a hacker site this week. Call it my severance package, fucks.
4 u/bikergang_accountant 10 May 2017 17:02
Its because they don't even write incompatable code. They just dump whatever code they find that they think is relevent.
You might as well be paying someone to search github for you and just send you the urls.
3 u/notArobott 10 May 2017 17:26
Fucking IIT niggers
1 u/1moar 10 May 2017 17:40
No, most these are app 'devs'. White T is what keeps the fucking network going.
3 u/Guardbuddy 10 May 2017 22:13
What do you expect from people who come from a subcontinent with
DESIGNATED
SHITTING
STREETS
2 u/Phoneaccount1 10 May 2017 16:05
There was a thread the other day on how outsourcing is killing our job market. I tried to state outsourcing was not what everyone thinks. It's not a no brainer. People like to blame shit, me included. In this case the only thing to blame is yourself for not being value added and interesting.
1 u/library_of_stupid 10 May 2017 16:26
It's cheaper to hire Pajeets to fuck up and then have someone else fix it than it is to hire someone competent that will get it right on the first try.
-1 u/Phoneaccount1 10 May 2017 16:56
I am not denying the economics behind it hombre. However rework can be expensive and time consuming.
4 u/FuckTheVirileAether 10 May 2017 17:47
Holy shit you are a slave morality faggot. The state controls the value of the currency. The state can devalue the US Dollar the same way China and other shit countries do. The lower the value of your currency relative to other currencies, the more your exports and jobs go up, because foreigners can afford to buy more of your shit, and foreign companies can open up cheaper factories in your country.
So it isn't the case that the only thing to blame is yourself. You can blame China for devaluing its currency and other countries for having shit labor laws. You can blame American entrepreneurs for chasing after risky higher returns in foreign countries instead of taking lower, but safer returns domestically. You can blame the American government for making the American job market and environment so shit for businesses. And you can blame Indians for coming to America to work instead of staying in India and improving their homeland.
The last person you should ever blame for anything is yourself, unless it is an accident you made directly. Government policy is out of your control.
-2 u/Phoneaccount1 10 May 2017 18:14
Breh. You can be creative, technical, minimal, controversial, the list goes on, and make money. Are you trying to say it's healthy to blame problems on others? Sounds like people we don't take kind to here you pussy fart. You're flimsy as shit.
These things you blame are huge forces. Either do something or shut up. Evolution has always existed. When a cold winter came to primitive humans did everyone say oh well we'll all die ill blame the winter? Doesn't matter. But the people that stocked up, had formidable shelter, etc got through it. Do illegal non violent shit if you don't agree with the laws. I don't give a fuck as long as you provide for yourself.
If you're value added and interesting you'll have opportunities. Maybe not go out every weekend and have a brand new iPhone every release, but opportunities. Don't settle if you don't want. But don't be entitled either you pathetic victim.
I agree I'm not getting to down on yourself (blame) if opportunity passes. Keep looking for it. Later Sally.
2 u/ShowMeYourKitties 10 May 2017 16:54
This just in: Water is wet, sky is blue.
2 u/padtuboqu 10 May 2017 16:56
Anyone have comparable stats from USA or western world?
2 u/AOU 10 May 2017 17:01
"Don't worry, Sir, the tree command will fix each and everything."
2 u/1moar 10 May 2017 17:35
That's a generous percentage.
2 u/LinoleumFulcrum 10 May 2017 18:54
I work with local and those off-shore (in India) and have been doing do in a professional environment for several years in my role as a game designer.
It's been my experience that those that come to work locally are much better equipped with the skill sets needed for writing functional and efficient code while those that are not properly equipped are left behind in India to pick up the out-sourced tasks.
/my2ยข
1 u/Dibgick 10 May 2017 20:49
If they come on an H1B visa it's still an outsourced job. Just onshored or nearshored.
0 u/LinoleumFulcrum 11 May 2017 11:20
Not everyone lives in America. ;)
2 u/SChalice 10 May 2017 19:32
If your code doesn't compile by definition you are not an engineer.
0 u/Atarian 10 May 2017 21:34
If all you do is write code, you're not an engineer either. You're a programmer.
Source: Am an actual engineer
2 u/illbrbwithmyflipflop 10 May 2017 21:11
This would be interesting if there weren't so many people in the industry already trying to put down other people for small, easily fixable instances where code doesn't compile. Sometimes people made a small change and didn't build before checking in code or a single file is excluded from the check in and people go "REEEEE anon's code didn't compile. REEEEE anon can't code REEEEE give me a raise now for identifying this and clearly I'm king coder for writing code that compiles. No one has ever said this about ME!" even though they might have made the same mistake a dozen times and simply covered it up.
So this article doesn't really mean much.
2 u/1812-was-not-a-tie 11 May 2017 10:44
Two things make me suspicious of the entire study:
I can't track down the actual task that they were asked to perform.
The grading is unusual, done by a machine. "Compiles" gives partial credit even if the program has nothing to do with the task.
0 u/illbrbwithmyflipflop 11 May 2017 18:39
I agree with having the machine grade it. That's what ALL my profs in college did and it was retardedly brittle and they'd use naive programmer technique to do one thing: do an exact string comparison at the end of the program for all or no credit.... i never fucked with that "get every single character right" shit, good thing my programming partner was behind me in skill and i did the bulk of the work while he did the little shit. I didn't even know those were graded like that for a long time.
2 u/Atarian 10 May 2017 21:28
I hope they were able to debug their code before submission. It's quite rare I write something in C and it compiles first time.
1 u/1812-was-not-a-tie 11 May 2017 10:44
Looks like they were working in an IDE, so they could debug
2 u/GoogleHatesVoat 11 May 2017 10:22
Most indian and paki 'engineers' are no work employees, like mobsters on construction payrolls. Leftists get them H1B visas to assuage their white guilt and 'diversify' America. Traitors at best.
1 u/1moar 10 May 2017 17:37
I love it when these faggots call the noc because their shitty application or 3rd party vendor is for shit. Look Sumar, the network is fine. Or trust me, I would be on bigger, more important bridges.
1 u/SlappyHo 11 May 2017 04:05
I interviewed for an internship an Indian woman pursuing her masters in computer science at a nonaccredited division 1 university. Her undergrad came from some Indian college. Her resume was fantastic.
She couldnt do merge sort, nor could she figure it out when I told her the algorithm.
We picked the guy with 2 semesters of programming at a local community college for the internship. He was/is a fantastic intern.
0 u/Boyakasha 10 May 2017 16:23
What do you expect? These people can't even figure out clean, running water.
1 u/Pawn 10 May 2017 16:53
They can figure out rocketry, but can't figure out how to poo in the loo.
0 u/moreAkin 10 May 2017 17:54
The study tested college students, not professionals.
-1 u/Datawych 10 May 2017 21:00
College students that are given diplomas because having brown-skinned graduates makes the school look good, who then go on to get hired at jobs they don't deserve because the government pays their employer to hire them.
-1 u/moreAkin 10 May 2017 21:44
Nonsense. This is in colleges in India, where the entire population is brown-skinned.
0 u/Dildoe_Swagginz 10 May 2017 22:21
Diversity quotas work against Asians.
0 u/Datawych 10 May 2017 22:23
Not a single mention of Indians in that article, and everyone pictured is obviously east Asian, not Pajeet.
0 u/Dildoe_Swagginz 10 May 2017 22:30
When Indians write down their race on applications, they write down "Asian".
This article includes Indian Americans as well.
0 u/kevf4 10 May 2017 19:25
Dats racist reeeeeeeeeeee
0 u/mortoray 15 May 2017 06:53
I find these results very questionable. They're based on an automated assessment tool http://www.aspiringminds.com/technology/automata There are only sparse details on how that works. They also appear to be basing it on "known" good coding techniques, without any listings, and despite the rest of us always arguing about what is good and bad.
While the situation may not be good, this study is completely untrustworthy. It's just a company trying to sell their questionable HR product.
-1 u/Dildoe_Swagginz 10 May 2017 22:18
Totally sucks being the most educated and richest ethnic group in the country.