The difference between real interest and bullshit. Dev tools also used to be a lot harder to come by and if you had problems you couldn't just hit up stackexchange. That isn't to say that no good devs will surface today, of course they will, but it will be a lot harder for them with a billion pajeet hello world coders scratching for a job.
Every day I think someday soon pajeet software quality will have the same reputation as pajeet precision engineering but nope, let's keep outsourcing to pajeet inc
it software quality wont ever improve until the entire industry is held to the same legal quality standards as every other service or manufacturing industry.
the horseshit going on now is like selling brand new cars in a showroom then claiming the engine you paid for wont be out for another 6 months if at all, unless youd like the beta engine which may or may not work, they blame your foot size for not being able to press the accelerator and demand you update your own foot, claim your low profile sports tyres 'could potentially interfere with the OEMs intentions and has therefore been removed by a cheap bald set according to the OEMs specs'
Oh yeah and then going out to the ferarri that was parked in your driveway only to find after telling ferrari for months you dont want a new car, theyve replaced it with a brand new fuckin ford laser anyway.
That is what the car industry would be like if it was the same rules as IT.
"While we did claim Ferrari for PC would include headlights with the final product, unfortunately we have decided to withdraw support for the product in favour of its successor, Ferrari 2, and having a team of only 3 fat nerds and a chimpanzee we dont have the manpower to support both. On a side note, FERRARI LITE FOR MOBILE DEVICEZ NOW WITH HEADLIGHTS! BUY IN THE GOOGLE AND APPLE PLAYSTOREZ NAO YO!"
A shell came with every version of DOS/Windows until Win 95. I remember because I was just getting good at coding some stuff, and writing stuff in qbasic, and then the new version had no shell and so I started playing with linux.
You hit the nail on the head. How early ones starts has little bearing on who successfull one can will be. What really makes a difference is if you acutally enjoy what your do and you spend additional time mastering it, instead ot treating it like just a chore.
I usually summarize this through as such: One cannot excell in a field which they don't enjoy.
Yep. Troubleshooting was an expectation with new hardware. Just like in Linux still today. At the end of the day you have some idea of what's going on.
ugh so yeah I'm having a few weird hardware problems with my distro that i believe are pulseaudio related and I'm looking at CloverOS or some flavor of gentoo but I am so spoiled by gay ass package installers i keep putting it off.
tinkering and troubleshooting this shit was fun when I was young now it's just like 'ugh'.
i member spending literally 4 days straight playing MajorMUD on a BBS service with a borrowed 2400 baud modem that was that bad at dissipating heat, unless i pulled the board out of the case and placed it on a wet sponge on a regular basis it would drop the line out and print gibberish across the screen. As there was literally a login limit of 15 users (all of us dialing in on single phone numbers) it wasnt exactly party central but it was ours.
I genuinely miss those days. And i genuinely miss Gamesuniverse.
Yeah, the Seymor Cray generation was impressive. The generation that followed him (Woz/Gates) was less technical, but still more technical than I am.
I grew up coding, learned in middle school.
Young adults today are so much less technical than my generation was, and there's no sign that recent grads are competent even to their standards. I don't think this tendency needs to trigger a moral panic or anything, it's just funny how technical engineers these days aren't, and they have no excuse for this.
Sheeit mang. I remember back in my 80s that I had to type up a whole program from a book. That's right, you bought a game and there were no disks, it was a book of code. I'd spend a few days typing that thing in to play baseball on my tandy coco 3. The best thing in the world was when I got that tape drive and didn't have to type in programs more than once.
It was a great way to learn coding though. Started with changing sounds then colors and so on.
When I was a kid, I had to type the whole program into the computer from the back of a magazine to play a game. To save the program, I had to record it onto a cassette tape.
I definitely did. I had programmed quite a bit before starting my CS program. The mental midgets I TA'd hadn't even done HTML yet. I went to school in my mid 20s
Just think about all the hoops you have to jump through on a modern PC to scribble on the screen, to change the value of one pixel. Often, it will take you through multiple SDKs, multiple API frameworks, sometimes using infrastructures like COM. Nothing too onerous - if you're a professional programmer, but to a kid? Forget it.
On a Commodore 64, it was as simple as POKE to this memory register. You could poke different values and it would immediately show up on your screen. Those days are gone, except for one place, and that's the Arduino. And that's where I'd start any kid interested in computers.
I make awesome shit on raspberry pi's with python in minutes. I plan on teaching my kids that. some notables:
(just today) a wifi router with a 16x2 character LCD that reports the current BTC price from coinbase in CAD and USD
a car computer to play movies from a 2 tb drive and stream to multiple devices at the same time using minidlna. a status monitor on a 2" screen show's pepe plus CPU usage, wifi connections, movies streaming/mem etc.
a computer to help blind people see using sound.
python is fucking amazing.
pygame is an easy entrance to programming games on the raspberry pi.
I remember looking through the source code of the cooler games I had on the Apple ][e, they were chock full of POKE and PEEK commands. It was a bit frustrating to a BASIC acolyte such as I was then.
Millions of parents around the globe are realising that little Timmy’s computer knowledge culminates in installing fallout mods and just spending every waking hour with a computer didn’t turn him into a prodigy but instead created a race of useless man babies
Computers aren't new anymore. There's no reason for kids to be interested in them. They are their parents generations technology, which they see their parents using for work. Not fun, cool, new, or exciting.
Kids with high general intelligence and a natural inclination to a certain type of thinking will still find computers, smartphones, and tablets to offer nearly overwhelming possibilities for creating things. Kids that aren't so inclined will direct their attention elsewhere, or perhaps won't even have that spark inside themselves at all.
Millennial here. I remember as a kid I would do shitty HTML Angelfire sites in elementary school and levels in Valve's hammer editor. I wanted to learn programming to make games, but my Dad wasn't smart enough to teach me. Best he could do was take me to Best Buy where he was promptly talked out of purchasing something by the salesman who said it would be too difficult. So yeah, I started in high school.
I had some Basic cartridges for my Atari 800, but fuck that shit man I had RIVER RAID and Demon Attack! Maybe I would have been more interested if dad coded, but he always did hardware. I remember him building his own boards back in the day.
That will print it over and over again, filling the whole line instead of just a single column of one word per line. Also, those bytes are important. ? is the same as PRINT in most BASICs, as far as I recall.
It's pretty hard to learn to code when you are trying to learn the 63 genders.. err now 67 genders, wait the DSMV just added in furries as genders now you mean I have to learn about 85 genders? When am I going to learn to code, you mean after I pass my Leftist Approved SJW curriculum then I can take a class about Womyn in Coding but not actually learn to code, WTF Public Schools?
We’re never going to get back to the 1980’s, but I don’t feel particularly sad. Even though the programming languages might — at least at first glances — be a bit more complicated, we’re living in a golden age of self-starters.
I disagree, with IoT everywhere, Arduino and ESP12 we are exactly back to the beginning.
Or we should be... The maker and hacker communities really seem like they should be more popular, in my estimation. Shit, compilers are even free today!
sadly this is true, and kids are just fucking dumber today than ever when the internet can connect them to any resource to learn about anything in seconds.
The claim wasn't, that they don't have infinite potential, the claim was, no awesome cool new thing came around when they were kids. Now I know our opinions may differ on this, but a raspberry pi was/is neither awesome, nor cool, nor particular new as a concept. It's not the bleeding edge of technology, so who cares?
Was born in the early 80's but learned basic web development in grade school. It is so much easier today to learn, I don't get why someone with a shit job doesn't take some initiative.
80s it students built the fucken pc's by hand none of this bullshit 'Have you tried turning it off and on again/update drivers/not my fault/no fucking clue/ask your IT guy' horseshit that seems to be the norm now.
Id take my pc to a pair of old dudes in their own shop over a brand spanking new shop full of recent college dropouts any day of the week.
Ah yes, when the parents kicked us off the NES, there was always the old Apple in my room. As a youngster I would load up The Wizard & The Princess. Later on I would code D&D engines for stat checks and other dice rolls. Then as a babysitter I coded my own version of Mr. Potato Head for the little kids to mess around with. In my early teens I would sneak into Dad's room and borrow his Leisure Suit Larry disks for the evening.
I used that old Apple until the day it died, sometime in the mid-90's. It was a 1979 model. Good times.
Cool, didn't know this sub existed, you guise don't make it to the front page very often... And aren't there at all if someone is logged in and doesn't have you subbed to.
Wasn't exactly 'programming' but I know they had us learning how to use code making webpages offline and such in the early 90's, but the program got cut. A lot of people in my age bracket started tweaking the crap out of myspace back in the day, altering lines and such changing images, backgrounds, anything we could there. That was the 1 good thing myspace had, you could alter things like I haven't seen on any other 'social' network, I know it encouraged some young people to get into coding/programming.
Of course I'm in the older bracket and tweak all sorts of everything, web browsers, vidya games, you name it..... It's funny though, I can make jack off of younger millennials & old fucks....
i remember having an apple IIc when i was a kid and i learned basic from one of the books that came with it. why? because i was bored and nintendo wasnt out yet.
We did use abbreviations back then, and even emoticons, but I don't recall seeing "LOL" until 90s usenet. It may have been on the BBSes, but most of my online time was spent on the Internet that wasn't actually public, back then. It was just academia, government, and some businesses that made their research available.
The businesses didn't have an online business presence, as it hadn't been opened up for commercial business back then. You could connect to companies like DEC, IBM, Intel, etc., but you had to dial into their MODEM pool directly - though all three also had research arms which did have addressable domains on the Internet.
Yeah, back then it wasn't open to the public and it wasn't commercial. There were BBSes and other networks you could dial into, such as AOL and CompuServe. Those weren't necessarily interconnected and they shared only a subset of resources. However, my time was largely spent on the academic side. I was even able to dial into the university.
My first MODEM (MOdulate and DEModulate), that I owned personally, was a cradle MODEM - an acoustic coupler. You put the phone's handset down inside of it. It was either a 900 or a 1200 baud deal, and I don't recall which. Back then, it was like $4/min to call CompServe on the 1200 baud MODEM pool and like $1/min to call the 900 baud lines. You could call regular BBSes for just the cost of the phone call, or you could 'phreak' and call for nothing.
My first MODEM at home, that was not mine, was equipment that I'd signed out from the lab and was a Hughes critter. It was a strange, large, heavy box - black in color, as I recall. It was 300 baud, I do believe. Not to worry, there weren't a whole lot of graphics to download.
Mostly. BBSes were pirated 'warez', phreaking information, games that didn't work, the earliest viruses and trojans, people swapping lies on forums, a form of messaging like email is today - some being email that may take quite some time to reach their destination, and porn in .gif or ASCII format. Yes, ASCII porn existed. There were local hacking and warez groups, that were mostly just annoying, ineffectual kids who were often accused of committing major crimes - but seldom did, other than a few who actually did commit crimes. Most crimes were simply people being curious and looking around to learn how things worked.
It was pretty neat, as you could also learn some systems that you could dial into (not the same as the Internet) and have fun. Like, you could dial into a company or bank or something. Usually, it was just a menu and you might be able to find their messaging system - or maybe change the schedule that their lights came on. It wasn't nuclear launch codes or controlling banks. Security was pretty basic back then.
I can probably go on, if you're interested. I'm sure other people have written it better than I have, however. I was a math student and used computers because I had to. I wasn't into computer science and only programmed because I had go. Truth be told, I pretty much hated computers back then. They pretty much sucked. They were difficult to use, slow, quirky, not powerful enough, and not very user friendly to a non-hacker. Computers and I are old enemies, who have only fairly recently become tolerant of each other. I pretty much hated them until maybe 2003. My first computer usage was in 1971 or 1972.
I may have written one of the first open source video games, but we didn't call it that.
I wrote a game called SkiDownhillFaster. I admit, I'm not very good with names. You used the letters to control your character - which was the letter Y. You had to slalom your way down by going through the gates. You got points depending on how quick you went and by how many gates you went through. Your goal was the least number of points. Pressing the down letter made you move faster and up made you move slower. There was initially no randomness to it, or anything.
It then went around the university and the code was there with it. People added randomness, obstacles like trees, different levels, and even wrote it in several other BASICs, adding support for things like color and sound. So, you had all these MIT geeks playing a game called SkiDownhillFaster and hacking at it to add new features. It was sort of popular for a period of several months. For all I know, someone still has a copy.
I did a crappy version of space invaders. Could move left right and shoot “I”s ... I should have used “i” instead. And only 1 enemy ... never could figure out more :-(
Then took a break and then another and the next thing I knew you had to pay for Netscape.
Ill take your word for it. I remember the title and typing your game (or variant) from a magazine or loading it from a cassette into my c64 and editing it myself. My edits were pretty simple, like changing "Finish" to "Fuck You" but I was only 12 years old in '83. My friends thought I was amazing.
Programmed my first game in 4th grade class. Too poor to have a computer growing up, didn't get my first ones until circa 2000. Way behind, trying to play catch up has been a bitch. Getting there.
Being connected via computer was always the end game in computers and technology. In the 70's and 80's you had to try harder and be willing to bechome a technician and programmer.
Now that there is a smartphone in every pocket everything has changed. I have watched people that I know disapear into the 'cloud' as they signed up for facebook and bought always on and connected computers.
Want to know how far personal computing has come? In the 80's there were modems that ran at 1200 baud. Most of us probably remember 56k modems right? Remember trying to load AOL over 56k? Well take the speed of a 56k and divide it by 46. That's how fast you could BBS at 1200 baud. I wasn't even in the 80s computer scene but I still remember when a gigabyte was a helluva lot of space..
They were both from today and I was submitter for both. Some others threw in some stories, as well. You can also flip back through my profile comments and see some of them. I was prolific today and I was pretty verbose for many of my comments.
hey guys the initiative to get the next generation coding to fill the huge demand isn't working! Americans just don't want to program! We need more H1Bs!
I kinda wish to be in the 80s as a kid and start learning programing languages. Getting programs running on low specs PCs(normal specs at that time) sounds like a challenge, and since many things haven't been done (browsers, etc), we could use our creativity and make our own versions. Nowadays, most ideas are taken, and it is hard to think of new ones.
I remember being attracted to a display in Sears of a computer when I was a kid. I would find simple programs typed in by someone and it made me go learn how to code in Basic. It was kid stuff like printing a phrase onscreen in a loop but it was interesting to me and got me started at a very early age.
Back in the 80's Dilbert's Scott Adams used to be a very high paid programmer. They told him that he was excellent and should be promoted but they couldn't because he was white so he could no longer get promoted until they met their impossible diversity hiring quotas. He admits this openly but he never complains.
Why should anyone who is white be a programmer? To be a non nigger programmer in this generation you have to be two things,
1) a genius like James Damoore
2) an unaware liberal like James Damoor, and you'll get fired as soon as you question or try and improve the system like he did.
Jordan Peterson's interview with Nancy proved that no matter what you say, no matter how reasonable you are, liberals will only see that everything you are saying is evil and will hear things that you never came close to saying.
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0 u/KikeFree 24 Jan 2018 18:41
The difference between real interest and bullshit. Dev tools also used to be a lot harder to come by and if you had problems you couldn't just hit up stackexchange. That isn't to say that no good devs will surface today, of course they will, but it will be a lot harder for them with a billion pajeet hello world coders scratching for a job.
0 u/FuckFatReddit 24 Jan 2018 19:03
Every day I think someday soon pajeet software quality will have the same reputation as pajeet precision engineering but nope, let's keep outsourcing to pajeet inc
0 u/spherical_cube 24 Jan 2018 19:13
Corporate mangement doesn't care as long as it sort of runs and they can sell it.
0 u/Gumbatron 24 Jan 2018 23:17
FIFY (from personal experience).
0 u/i_scream_trucks 24 Jan 2018 22:28
it software quality wont ever improve until the entire industry is held to the same legal quality standards as every other service or manufacturing industry.
the horseshit going on now is like selling brand new cars in a showroom then claiming the engine you paid for wont be out for another 6 months if at all, unless youd like the beta engine which may or may not work, they blame your foot size for not being able to press the accelerator and demand you update your own foot, claim your low profile sports tyres 'could potentially interfere with the OEMs intentions and has therefore been removed by a cheap bald set according to the OEMs specs'
Oh yeah and then going out to the ferarri that was parked in your driveway only to find after telling ferrari for months you dont want a new car, theyve replaced it with a brand new fuckin ford laser anyway.
That is what the car industry would be like if it was the same rules as IT.
0 u/FuckFatReddit 24 Jan 2018 23:02
Bug? Impossible, the user is quiet clearly a retard
0 u/i_scream_trucks 26 Jan 2018 05:37
"While we did claim Ferrari for PC would include headlights with the final product, unfortunately we have decided to withdraw support for the product in favour of its successor, Ferrari 2, and having a team of only 3 fat nerds and a chimpanzee we dont have the manpower to support both. On a side note, FERRARI LITE FOR MOBILE DEVICEZ NOW WITH HEADLIGHTS! BUY IN THE GOOGLE AND APPLE PLAYSTOREZ NAO YO!"
0 u/aGameCalledCountries 24 Jan 2018 19:29
A shell came with every version of DOS/Windows until Win 95. I remember because I was just getting good at coding some stuff, and writing stuff in qbasic, and then the new version had no shell and so I started playing with linux.
0 u/Nietzsche__ 24 Jan 2018 19:50
Win 3.11 with networking was near perfection. Expanding the user base then took priority (though it did end that damn DOS mem management pain).
0 u/KikeFree 24 Jan 2018 20:31
Segment selectors sucked ass.
0 u/BlackGrapeDrank 25 Jan 2018 01:59
config.sys
autoexec.bat
tweaking those motherfyxkers all the time
0 u/dontforgetaboutevil 24 Jan 2018 21:37
Yeah... we need to do something about pajeetland.
0 u/Hmmm 24 Jan 2018 22:18
You hit the nail on the head. How early ones starts has little bearing on who successfull one can will be. What really makes a difference is if you acutally enjoy what your do and you spend additional time mastering it, instead ot treating it like just a chore.
I usually summarize this through as such: One cannot excell in a field which they don't enjoy.
0 u/oddjob 24 Jan 2018 18:46
Back in the 80s, computer weren't easy to use. You practically had to type a small program to load your games from a floppy.
0 u/watitdew 24 Jan 2018 19:45
member changing the jumpers on your soundcard and 2400 baud modem to resolve irq conflicts?
0 u/Nietzsche__ 24 Jan 2018 19:47
Yep. Troubleshooting was an expectation with new hardware. Just like in Linux still today. At the end of the day you have some idea of what's going on.
0 u/watitdew 24 Jan 2018 21:08
ugh so yeah I'm having a few weird hardware problems with my distro that i believe are pulseaudio related and I'm looking at CloverOS or some flavor of gentoo but I am so spoiled by gay ass package installers i keep putting it off.
tinkering and troubleshooting this shit was fun when I was young now it's just like 'ugh'.
0 u/OlympicWalrus 24 Jan 2018 23:34
You are in the final stages of Debian acceptance.
0 u/CarthOSassy 25 Jan 2018 00:43
uninstall pulseaudio. problem solved
0 u/Plavonica 24 Jan 2018 21:22
Lol, oh god don't remind me!
0 u/fakebabitz 24 Jan 2018 21:58
...right after I flip some dip switches with the offical red-toothpick dip switch tool.
...and don't forget to update your autoexec.bat and config.sys - extended memory is needed!
0 u/cyks 24 Jan 2018 22:25
/flip the turbo switch
0 u/i_scream_trucks 24 Jan 2018 22:23
i member spending literally 4 days straight playing MajorMUD on a BBS service with a borrowed 2400 baud modem that was that bad at dissipating heat, unless i pulled the board out of the case and placed it on a wet sponge on a regular basis it would drop the line out and print gibberish across the screen. As there was literally a login limit of 15 users (all of us dialing in on single phone numbers) it wasnt exactly party central but it was ours.
I genuinely miss those days. And i genuinely miss Gamesuniverse.
0 u/greenfascist 24 Jan 2018 22:30
trade wars 2002 was the king of games
but there were some other good ones.
many many doors to open.
0 u/Bob_Ross_Hair 25 Jan 2018 01:18
MajorMUD. Holy shit, I haven’t thought about that shit in decades.
0 u/i_scream_trucks 26 Jan 2018 05:40
plenty of muds still going strong. Ive been a member of one for.... fuck 17 years. havent played in a while but its good to go back from time to time.
Sadly GU is long gone.
0 u/i_scream_trucks 24 Jan 2018 22:36
member
L (shift+O) "*" ,8,1 return
R (shift+U) return
?? I member that.
0 u/totes_magotes 24 Jan 2018 22:51
What sound card?
and enter your program in assembly.
when you were done.
To run it.
0 u/go1dfish 24 Jan 2018 22:56
I member being too poor to have a sound card so I had to deal with the “pc speaker” (the thing that beeps on boot) for sound effects for years.
0 u/watitdew 24 Jan 2018 23:00
lol at this poorfag i had a SOUNDBLASTER AWE64 GOLD
shit had GOLD PLATED AUDIO JACKS
0 u/IAmYourDad 24 Jan 2018 23:09
I did that for my first computer then later upgrades i just do it in config.sys and autoexec.bat
0 u/BlackGrapeDrank 25 Jan 2018 01:58
soundblaster IRQ conflicts. pain in the ass.
0 u/roznak 24 Jan 2018 21:23
I didn't even had a floppy drive back then.
0 u/SChalice 24 Jan 2018 23:04
hella easier than today's computers
0 u/M346 24 Jan 2018 23:47
Yeah but you didn't need to figure out eclipse before you could make a hello world.
0 u/patriot_biz 25 Jan 2018 00:21
Yeah, the Seymor Cray generation was impressive. The generation that followed him (Woz/Gates) was less technical, but still more technical than I am.
I grew up coding, learned in middle school.
Young adults today are so much less technical than my generation was, and there's no sign that recent grads are competent even to their standards. I don't think this tendency needs to trigger a moral panic or anything, it's just funny how technical engineers these days aren't, and they have no excuse for this.
0 u/BlowjaySimpson 25 Jan 2018 04:04
Switching to Linux when I 13 was the greatest decision young me made, for this very same reason.
The learning curve eventually made me adept.
0 u/RightEdge 25 Jan 2018 05:28
try holerith code on punched cards... that's where I started at 16.
0 u/Sullysq 25 Jan 2018 13:47
Sheeit mang. I remember back in my 80s that I had to type up a whole program from a book. That's right, you bought a game and there were no disks, it was a book of code. I'd spend a few days typing that thing in to play baseball on my tandy coco 3. The best thing in the world was when I got that tape drive and didn't have to type in programs more than once.
It was a great way to learn coding though. Started with changing sounds then colors and so on.
0 u/tribblepuncher 25 Jan 2018 15:29
They weren't as easy to use, but they were far, far easier to program and understand. That in and of itself made a world of difference.
0 u/pleasepleaseplease 25 Jan 2018 16:00
When I was a kid, I had to type the whole program into the computer from the back of a magazine to play a game. To save the program, I had to record it onto a cassette tape.
0 u/speedisavirus 24 Jan 2018 18:56
I definitely did. I had programmed quite a bit before starting my CS program. The mental midgets I TA'd hadn't even done HTML yet. I went to school in my mid 20s
0 u/spherical_cube 24 Jan 2018 19:12
Just think about all the hoops you have to jump through on a modern PC to scribble on the screen, to change the value of one pixel. Often, it will take you through multiple SDKs, multiple API frameworks, sometimes using infrastructures like COM. Nothing too onerous - if you're a professional programmer, but to a kid? Forget it.
On a Commodore 64, it was as simple as POKE to this memory register. You could poke different values and it would immediately show up on your screen. Those days are gone, except for one place, and that's the Arduino. And that's where I'd start any kid interested in computers.
0 u/greenfascist 24 Jan 2018 22:06
I make awesome shit on raspberry pi's with python in minutes. I plan on teaching my kids that. some notables:
python is fucking amazing.
pygame is an easy entrance to programming games on the raspberry pi.
0 u/ChanceofRain 24 Jan 2018 22:17
I remember looking through the source code of the cooler games I had on the Apple ][e, they were chock full of POKE and PEEK commands. It was a bit frustrating to a BASIC acolyte such as I was then.
0 u/patriot_biz 25 Jan 2018 00:19
Yeah, bad is the new good.
0 u/CrustyBeaver52 24 Jan 2018 19:44
Dude - We were hacking Time:
https://hooktube.com/watch?v=fQGbXmkSArs
E= MC cubed
0 u/TheBuddha [OP] 24 Jan 2018 19:53
WTF did I just watch?
That's not how this works. That's not how any of this works?!?
0 u/CrustyBeaver52 24 Jan 2018 19:58
That's how it was in the other time line - before I came to the Trump line.
All of the survivors came here.
0 u/TheBuddha [OP] 24 Jan 2018 20:24
Earlier today, someone was seriously claiming that the moon was a hoax and a conspiracy.
I no longer know what to believe. For all I know, you're serious about your beliefs. I don't even know.
I do miss Time Cube guy. They cracked me up.
0 u/Hackerman 24 Jan 2018 20:26
pfft, you just don't understand the awesomeness of my hacking prowess
0 u/TheBuddha [OP] 24 Jan 2018 20:33
That is true, I do not understand such.
0 u/Koalemos_Grottesco 24 Jan 2018 20:46
That's how it worked in the 80s, hacking has really gone downhill since then.
0 u/odinist 25 Jan 2018 00:15
This is from the movie "Kung Fury," which is fucking amazing.
0 u/Wahaha 25 Jan 2018 16:19
The music video True Survivor is better, though. It comes with music.
0 u/Hackerman 24 Jan 2018 20:23
you makin fun of me, or somethin? my hacking skills are legit, boy
0 u/0x90 24 Jan 2018 20:46
This time machine brought to you by Sun Micro.
0 u/dumb000000 24 Jan 2018 20:26
Millions of parents around the globe are realising that little Timmy’s computer knowledge culminates in installing fallout mods and just spending every waking hour with a computer didn’t turn him into a prodigy but instead created a race of useless man babies
0 u/Scruffy_Nerfherder 24 Jan 2018 20:36
This too
0 u/bernitdown 25 Jan 2018 01:14
This.
0 u/Anonymous_User_69 24 Jan 2018 20:32
Computers aren't new anymore. There's no reason for kids to be interested in them. They are their parents generations technology, which they see their parents using for work. Not fun, cool, new, or exciting.
0 u/SuperConductiveRabbi 24 Jan 2018 21:08
Kids with high general intelligence and a natural inclination to a certain type of thinking will still find computers, smartphones, and tablets to offer nearly overwhelming possibilities for creating things. Kids that aren't so inclined will direct their attention elsewhere, or perhaps won't even have that spark inside themselves at all.
0 u/badruns 24 Jan 2018 20:37
Millennial here. I remember as a kid I would do shitty HTML Angelfire sites in elementary school and levels in Valve's hammer editor. I wanted to learn programming to make games, but my Dad wasn't smart enough to teach me. Best he could do was take me to Best Buy where he was promptly talked out of purchasing something by the salesman who said it would be too difficult. So yeah, I started in high school.
0 u/Pwning4Ever 24 Jan 2018 20:38
80s kids are such good programmers that they need an army of pajeets for their industries to stay afloat.
0 u/Firevine 24 Jan 2018 20:49
I had some Basic cartridges for my Atari 800, but fuck that shit man I had RIVER RAID and Demon Attack! Maybe I would have been more interested if dad coded, but he always did hardware. I remember him building his own boards back in the day.
0 u/Brotherhero 24 Jan 2018 21:14
0 u/TheBuddha [OP] 24 Jan 2018 21:18
Needs a space and a ;
That will print it over and over again, filling the whole line instead of just a single column of one word per line. Also, those bytes are important. ? is the same as PRINT in most BASICs, as far as I recall.
0 u/blit416 24 Jan 2018 21:54
Hah, nice bro. Shortform for print, and to make it make patterns in its scrolling. Nice.
0 u/TheBuddha [OP] 24 Jan 2018 21:58
LOL I can do advanced math (well, I could) with BASIC - and all the added complexity that added. Bitches don't know 'bout my BASIC skills!
0 u/torhent 24 Jan 2018 21:22
It's pretty hard to learn to code when you are trying to learn the 63 genders.. err now 67 genders, wait the DSMV just added in furries as genders now you mean I have to learn about 85 genders? When am I going to learn to code, you mean after I pass my Leftist Approved SJW curriculum then I can take a class about Womyn in Coding but not actually learn to code, WTF Public Schools?
0 u/roznak 24 Jan 2018 21:30
I disagree, with IoT everywhere, Arduino and ESP12 we are exactly back to the beginning.
0 u/TheBuddha [OP] 24 Jan 2018 21:35
Or we should be... The maker and hacker communities really seem like they should be more popular, in my estimation. Shit, compilers are even free today!
0 u/dontforgetaboutevil 24 Jan 2018 21:36
Computers were new then. The biggest problem the millenials have is that no awesome cool new thing came around when they were kids.
80's kids got computers and infinite potential.
Millenials got phones with nothing but bullshit websites to go to.
0 u/greenfascist 24 Jan 2018 22:09
millenials can buy a raspberry pi for the price of a flip phone.
infinite potential restored.
0 u/dontforgetaboutevil 24 Jan 2018 22:13
Hah..
0 u/greenfascist 24 Jan 2018 22:21
sadly this is true, and kids are just fucking dumber today than ever when the internet can connect them to any resource to learn about anything in seconds.
0 u/dontforgetaboutevil 24 Jan 2018 22:46
Why connect to learning resources when you can watch some douchebag on youtube eat soap?
0 u/greenfascist 24 Jan 2018 22:50
touche. I had not considered that.
0 u/cthulian_axioms 25 Jan 2018 02:13
Top Kek, yo. Now if only someone would build a flip phone around a Pi -- I would buy one of those in a fucking heartbeat.
0 u/Wahaha 25 Jan 2018 16:23
The claim wasn't, that they don't have infinite potential, the claim was, no awesome cool new thing came around when they were kids. Now I know our opinions may differ on this, but a raspberry pi was/is neither awesome, nor cool, nor particular new as a concept. It's not the bleeding edge of technology, so who cares?
0 u/JayDrifts 24 Jan 2018 21:51
Back in the day we had basic... a retard could use basic.
0 u/greenfascist 24 Jan 2018 22:03
To be fair, game dev environments are pretty difficult today if you discount the kid stuff.
but why not start them on the kid stuff?
I made a 4 player pong in high school on a 386.
All in basic. Given a tiny bit more time it would have even been a really good game instead of great for a HS student.
0 u/fagetty 24 Jan 2018 22:04
80s kids are millennials.
0 u/mralexson 24 Jan 2018 22:12
They had computers back then?
0 u/TheBuddha [OP] 24 Jan 2018 22:15
Yeah, but they were expensive, slow, and pretty limited as compared to today's devices.
At one point, my computer (with all the peripherals) was more expensive than my new car. Yes, the car was brand new.
0 u/aCuriousYahnz 24 Jan 2018 22:20
Was born in the early 80's but learned basic web development in grade school. It is so much easier today to learn, I don't get why someone with a shit job doesn't take some initiative.
0 u/i_scream_trucks 24 Jan 2018 22:20
80s it students built the fucken pc's by hand none of this bullshit 'Have you tried turning it off and on again/update drivers/not my fault/no fucking clue/ask your IT guy' horseshit that seems to be the norm now.
Id take my pc to a pair of old dudes in their own shop over a brand spanking new shop full of recent college dropouts any day of the week.
0 u/ChanceofRain 24 Jan 2018 22:25
Ah yes, when the parents kicked us off the NES, there was always the old Apple in my room. As a youngster I would load up The Wizard & The Princess. Later on I would code D&D engines for stat checks and other dice rolls. Then as a babysitter I coded my own version of Mr. Potato Head for the little kids to mess around with. In my early teens I would sneak into Dad's room and borrow his Leisure Suit Larry disks for the evening.
I used that old Apple until the day it died, sometime in the mid-90's. It was a 1979 model. Good times.
0 u/cthulian_axioms 25 Jan 2018 02:15
Now there's a name I haven't heard in a long, long time.
0 u/totes_magotes 24 Jan 2018 22:50
I started when I was 8. Now I'm working a cushy job making a fuckton of money. And it's fucking glorious.
0 u/SChalice 24 Jan 2018 23:03
I started in the 70s :P
0 u/Runaway-White-Slave 24 Jan 2018 23:09
Cool, didn't know this sub existed, you guise don't make it to the front page very often... And aren't there at all if someone is logged in and doesn't have you subbed to.
Wasn't exactly 'programming' but I know they had us learning how to use code making webpages offline and such in the early 90's, but the program got cut. A lot of people in my age bracket started tweaking the crap out of myspace back in the day, altering lines and such changing images, backgrounds, anything we could there. That was the 1 good thing myspace had, you could alter things like I haven't seen on any other 'social' network, I know it encouraged some young people to get into coding/programming.
Of course I'm in the older bracket and tweak all sorts of everything, web browsers, vidya games, you name it..... It's funny though, I can make jack off of younger millennials & old fucks....
0 u/TheBuddha [OP] 24 Jan 2018 23:32
It's a default sub and on the top of the page with the default user settings.
0 u/bourbonexpert 24 Jan 2018 23:17
i remember having an apple IIc when i was a kid and i learned basic from one of the books that came with it. why? because i was bored and nintendo wasnt out yet.
0 u/eliteforce1uk 24 Jan 2018 23:34
10 print "lol" 20 goto 10
0 u/TheBuddha [OP] 25 Jan 2018 00:09
We did use abbreviations back then, and even emoticons, but I don't recall seeing "LOL" until 90s usenet. It may have been on the BBSes, but most of my online time was spent on the Internet that wasn't actually public, back then. It was just academia, government, and some businesses that made their research available.
The businesses didn't have an online business presence, as it hadn't been opened up for commercial business back then. You could connect to companies like DEC, IBM, Intel, etc., but you had to dial into their MODEM pool directly - though all three also had research arms which did have addressable domains on the Internet.
Yeah, back then it wasn't open to the public and it wasn't commercial. There were BBSes and other networks you could dial into, such as AOL and CompuServe. Those weren't necessarily interconnected and they shared only a subset of resources. However, my time was largely spent on the academic side. I was even able to dial into the university.
My first MODEM (MOdulate and DEModulate), that I owned personally, was a cradle MODEM - an acoustic coupler. You put the phone's handset down inside of it. It was either a 900 or a 1200 baud deal, and I don't recall which. Back then, it was like $4/min to call CompServe on the 1200 baud MODEM pool and like $1/min to call the 900 baud lines. You could call regular BBSes for just the cost of the phone call, or you could 'phreak' and call for nothing.
My first MODEM at home, that was not mine, was equipment that I'd signed out from the lab and was a Hughes critter. It was a strange, large, heavy box - black in color, as I recall. It was 300 baud, I do believe. Not to worry, there weren't a whole lot of graphics to download.
Mostly. BBSes were pirated 'warez', phreaking information, games that didn't work, the earliest viruses and trojans, people swapping lies on forums, a form of messaging like email is today - some being email that may take quite some time to reach their destination, and porn in .gif or ASCII format. Yes, ASCII porn existed. There were local hacking and warez groups, that were mostly just annoying, ineffectual kids who were often accused of committing major crimes - but seldom did, other than a few who actually did commit crimes. Most crimes were simply people being curious and looking around to learn how things worked.
It was pretty neat, as you could also learn some systems that you could dial into (not the same as the Internet) and have fun. Like, you could dial into a company or bank or something. Usually, it was just a menu and you might be able to find their messaging system - or maybe change the schedule that their lights came on. It wasn't nuclear launch codes or controlling banks. Security was pretty basic back then.
I can probably go on, if you're interested. I'm sure other people have written it better than I have, however. I was a math student and used computers because I had to. I wasn't into computer science and only programmed because I had go. Truth be told, I pretty much hated computers back then. They pretty much sucked. They were difficult to use, slow, quirky, not powerful enough, and not very user friendly to a non-hacker. Computers and I are old enemies, who have only fairly recently become tolerant of each other. I pretty much hated them until maybe 2003. My first computer usage was in 1971 or 1972.
0 u/EyeOfHorus 24 Jan 2018 23:43
Because if we wanted to play a video game we had to write it ourselves.
0 u/TheBuddha [OP] 25 Jan 2018 00:19
I may have written one of the first open source video games, but we didn't call it that.
I wrote a game called SkiDownhillFaster. I admit, I'm not very good with names. You used the letters to control your character - which was the letter Y. You had to slalom your way down by going through the gates. You got points depending on how quick you went and by how many gates you went through. Your goal was the least number of points. Pressing the down letter made you move faster and up made you move slower. There was initially no randomness to it, or anything.
It then went around the university and the code was there with it. People added randomness, obstacles like trees, different levels, and even wrote it in several other BASICs, adding support for things like color and sound. So, you had all these MIT geeks playing a game called SkiDownhillFaster and hacking at it to add new features. It was sort of popular for a period of several months. For all I know, someone still has a copy.
But, this was back in maybe 1982 or 1983?
0 u/WhiteRonin 25 Jan 2018 02:34
I did a crappy version of space invaders. Could move left right and shoot “I”s ... I should have used “i” instead. And only 1 enemy ... never could figure out more :-(
Then took a break and then another and the next thing I knew you had to pay for Netscape.
0 u/EyeOfHorus 25 Jan 2018 09:02
Ill take your word for it. I remember the title and typing your game (or variant) from a magazine or loading it from a cassette into my c64 and editing it myself. My edits were pretty simple, like changing "Finish" to "Fuck You" but I was only 12 years old in '83. My friends thought I was amazing.
0 u/aileron_ron 24 Jan 2018 23:48
So 80's kids are smarter than millennials, Well look how millennials drive and you will understand.
0 u/iloveTTYs 25 Jan 2018 01:13
confirmYup. Can confirm. Had my first computer when I was very young. My Dad used to subscribe to a lot of magazines for their code examples.
0 u/Atarian 25 Jan 2018 01:18
I was writing BASIC programs by eight, and K&R C programs by 12.
Most kids of that age these days know how to swipe until they find a Youtube icon.
0 u/1moar 25 Jan 2018 01:26
Programmed my first game in 4th grade class. Too poor to have a computer growing up, didn't get my first ones until circa 2000. Way behind, trying to play catch up has been a bitch. Getting there.
0 u/MyOriginalVoatUser 25 Jan 2018 02:39
Being connected via computer was always the end game in computers and technology. In the 70's and 80's you had to try harder and be willing to bechome a technician and programmer.
Now that there is a smartphone in every pocket everything has changed. I have watched people that I know disapear into the 'cloud' as they signed up for facebook and bought always on and connected computers.
0 u/MyOriginalVoatUser 25 Jan 2018 02:46
http://www.old-computers.com/museum/
0 u/Shilly_Mc_Shillface 25 Jan 2018 03:02
Don't POKE fun of the PEEKS into our future.
0 u/TheBuddha [OP] 25 Jan 2018 03:31
I don't like puns, not one bit!
0 u/slope 25 Jan 2018 04:30
Millennial can get hired because they look young. Not so for an old 80's kid.
0 u/WiLiV 25 Jan 2018 07:49
Want to know how far personal computing has come? In the 80's there were modems that ran at 1200 baud. Most of us probably remember 56k modems right? Remember trying to load AOL over 56k? Well take the speed of a 56k and divide it by 46. That's how fast you could BBS at 1200 baud. I wasn't even in the 80s computer scene but I still remember when a gigabyte was a helluva lot of space..
0 u/TheBuddha [OP] 25 Jan 2018 08:21
This thread (and this comment) may help add to this thread:
https://voat.co/v/technology/2356996/11717420
They were both from today and I was submitter for both. Some others threw in some stories, as well. You can also flip back through my profile comments and see some of them. I was prolific today and I was pretty verbose for many of my comments.
0 u/northm4n 25 Jan 2018 10:41
People used to work on their own cars too..
0 u/Wahaha 25 Jan 2018 16:24
Once upon a time, people would get their own water from a well and make their own food using their own animals as a resource.
0 u/KaiserSoSay 25 Jan 2018 14:21
Playing SCRAM on the Atari 800 after loading it for 7 minutes from cassette on the Atari 410 tape drive. Those were good times!
0 u/aaronC 25 Jan 2018 15:46
0 u/Hugix 25 Jan 2018 17:15
I kinda wish to be in the 80s as a kid and start learning programing languages. Getting programs running on low specs PCs(normal specs at that time) sounds like a challenge, and since many things haven't been done (browsers, etc), we could use our creativity and make our own versions. Nowadays, most ideas are taken, and it is hard to think of new ones.
0 u/wesofx 25 Jan 2018 20:40
The first code I ever wrote was a lua script for my Roblox map to make a door disappear when you touch it.
0 u/Like_it_is 06 Feb 2018 11:38
I remember being attracted to a display in Sears of a computer when I was a kid. I would find simple programs typed in by someone and it made me go learn how to code in Basic. It was kid stuff like printing a phrase onscreen in a loop but it was interesting to me and got me started at a very early age.
-1 u/3891776389 24 Jan 2018 21:21
Back in the 80's Dilbert's Scott Adams used to be a very high paid programmer. They told him that he was excellent and should be promoted but they couldn't because he was white so he could no longer get promoted until they met their impossible diversity hiring quotas. He admits this openly but he never complains.
Why should anyone who is white be a programmer? To be a non nigger programmer in this generation you have to be two things,
1) a genius like James Damoore 2) an unaware liberal like James Damoor, and you'll get fired as soon as you question or try and improve the system like he did.
Jordan Peterson's interview with Nancy proved that no matter what you say, no matter how reasonable you are, liberals will only see that everything you are saying is evil and will hear things that you never came close to saying.
0 u/SChalice 24 Jan 2018 23:06
If you were a good programmer then you were basically VP of any company...
0 u/3891776389 25 Jan 2018 00:05
Are you an idiot?