We are about three years away from some neo-alchemists coming in here and claiming that the listed atomic weights are all reptile lies, and doxxing you for saying that. Be careful!
My ISP lets me run a server. It is time to go back to hosting locally, I suppose. I do not accept a neutral platform being politicized. There is no need for it.
Hehe, there's a bit in there which says that you can't send someone text that "represents" physical contact, i.e. "hug" or "touch", without consent.
So, to GitHub, the words "hug", "touch", and anything to do with contact, are banned without consent.
EDIT: Also, saying someone is a "he" or "she" is banned apparently, when referring to transgenders/fantasists.
EDIT2: hehe, check this out from the page...
Our open source community prioritizes marginalized people’s safety over privileged people’s comfort. We will not act on complaints regarding:
So, hey, guys, you hear? If someone for example is "white", or has lots of money, you can be racist and everything and it's okay, because apparently you're "privileged"!
EDIT3: TBH, OP should have renamed the title "Github begins the outlawing of all language."
EDIT4: I've just realised, how do you ask someone for consent to say something to them? I mean if I ask "Can I say to "touch" to you please?", then haven't I just said "touch"? It's just so fucked up.
Hehe. Sarcasm tab wasn't even neccessary. No-one who would actually be that stupid would comment here. They'd archive.is this page, link it on some BS SJW subreddit, and have a huge bitchy circlejerk on how cis white males are going to destroy the world.
Deliberate misgendering. This includes deadnaming or persistently using a pronoun that does not correctly reflect a person’s gender identity. You must address people by the name they give you when not addressing them by their username or handle
I'm sorry, I don't see how that part is so bad. I mean I don't care if you're for or against trans but it's pretty simply common manners. If someone has a penis and prefers to be called she is it really that hard? It's not like anyone is being force to suck their dick.
I mean to make this a "rule" is stupid, but I don't see why it's such a big deal to some people to use a different pronoun.
In principle I don't have a problem with the first part, but at the same time I could easily see myself persistently forgetting who wants to be called "he", "she", "xe", "ey", "ze" and whatever other gender-neutral pronouns people choose.
The part I don't like is, "You must address people by the name they give you when not addressing them by their username or handle". Suppose I tell you my name is "King of the World and Better Coder than your Mom". Now you *have* to address me by that name (or my username) even if my GitHub account says my name is Mike?
Yeah I hear you. What I'm talking about and what the rule was clearly a reaction to are people who go out of their way to call m>f trans "he" (or vice versa). Now to be clear I'm not defending the rule, the problem with rules is that it will most certainly be used to attack a person someone dislikes. It's clearly over reactinary bullshit.
That being said my point was that there are so many people who are just dicks about it. The whole Jenner thing is a good example. She's not asking to be referred to as xe, just she. I don't see it being a big deal calling her she even if you disagree with it. Yet many people have been very verbose in describing her as a he. That's what I don't undertand. Calling Jenner a "man with a mutlilated penis and a mental disorder" over and over doesn't add to debate. It's just being a dick.
This is insane. They won't act on "reverse" discrimination. It appears that if you are heterosexual, white or male you don't have any rights. Then, saying things like *hug or *backrub without consent is banned. I can't understand this, this seems straight from the onion.
So I've heard that "reverse racism" is when a black person acts in a demeaning, derogatory, or expulsatory manner toward a white person. Is this what they mean? I honestly don't know what they mean and am not trying to troll. Can anyone help me out here?
The best part is that immediately below that it says -
we seek to treat everyone both as fairly and equally as possible.
...unless you're white or male. In which case it's actually impossible for you to experience any kind of harassment or prejudice. Because that's "reverse -ism". The hypocrisy just from one paragraph to the next is amazing.
It's embarrassing and infuriating. This is computer science. There is a long history of people using vehement, expletive laced comments to state their opinion regarding the design or implementation of something. These are attacks on ideas, not gender or race or some other crap. No one reads code and thinks, "Fah! I bet some transgender black woman wrote this." Because they don't care who wrote that code, it's just bloody garbage and they don't want to see that crap again. Maybe if it's particularly egregious they'll hunt them down in rev control and tell them to stop committing horrible code. Even then, it still won't be about anything other than the code. Devs only care about code. I don't care if you're the next Hitler or the next Gandhi. If you write good code, please contribute, if you write horrible code, gtfo.
As a Dev myself, I completely agree - if I say a bit of code is retarded, I don't mean that the person who wrote it has mental disabilities, I mean that the code is poor, that it does it's job in an inefficient or nonsensical way.
Or white and female (can't be racist against you) Or black and male (can't be sexist against you). Or white male and gay (can't be racist or sexist against you). Or black male and gay (can't be sexist against you). Or white woman and gay (can't be racist against you). Etc
You see white people, particularly white males, are superior to every other race and they can withstand all of the abuse and injustices thrown their way, simply because they are better. At least that is what these policies seem to suggest.
Hmm yes I think reverse racism is when you give special privileges or higher opinions to a person based on their race. So it's like, race-based judgements made about someone, but instead of being bad judgements you reverse the racism and......no this all sounds pretty stupid.
No, that's what some people call "positive racism" because you're still stereotyping them, but it's a "positive" stereotype.
Reverse racism is racism against the privileged race, typically white people. This springs from the (utter bullshit) idea that racism is about power, and therefore treating people differently based on their race is only racism if somebody in a powerful position uses it to discriminate against people who aren't in a powerful position.
It's a term SJW/radfem types made up to bash people with. You see, they've redefined racism/sexism so they don't have to admit being bigots themselves, but since you can be racist to white people and sexist against men they need to attack people who think this way. So they coined the phrases "reverse racism" and "reverse sexism", pretend other people use them (pro tip: the only people using them are SJW/radfem types), then pretend the concepts for the phrases they made up don't even exist to try and erase other peoples experiences and opinions because they don't fit into their ideology. It's fucking weird and sick.
This is not globally applicable across all GitHub projects, only ones that use this CoC. You are not required to use one and if you disagree with it, do not use it.
There's a time and a place for everything, and while I'm not a fan of censorship (self or otherwise), I realize that there are some words that really just don't need to be said unless it's contextually appropriate.
So, straight up- pretend that the code of conduct said stuff about the inherent supremacy of whites or whatever, and then had a rider saying it's "just a template". Would you be like "oh, ok, I can work with that group, I just have to cross out the parts about racism", or would you be like RACISTS ARE BAD NEWS, STAY AWAY!!
I argue the second is the rational response, and that's what this is.
What does it matter either way if I don't use one in my project or participate in those that have it? Literally nothing. If they want to push their values, that's fine with me, because I'm going to keep ignoring it. I also am not sure using a hyperbole is an effective method of describing this situation; in your case, many people would have left GitHub, complained about it, or gotten a ton of negative press about it, which makes it a moot point.
I'm not good at pretending with regards to unrealistic situations.
Poster here, I thought GitHub (and the other companies at http://todogroup.org) intends this to be a CoC for the GitHub community, hence the 'retard' takedown earlier in the week.
But the consensus seems to be this is for GitHub's own repos. It's still disturbing to see GitHub (and the other companies) endorse racism and sexism.
It's stunning really that human reason has degraded to the point that supposedly rational people proudly engage in explicit and deliberate racism and sexism in nominal pursuit of the elimination of racism and sexism.
Our open source community prioritizes marginalized people’s safety over privileged people’s comfort
If you are a straight white cis-male, it is time to get the fuck out of Dodge. Why the hell would you even consider staying somewhere where you are explicitly and officially lower priority than everyone else.
Even if they were to remove this from their code of conduct, don't go back and don't look back. The fact that they were able to put this policy in place suggests that they are so infested with SJWs that even without the official policy, you're going to be 'put in your place'.
"Our open source community prioritizes marginalized people’s safety over privileged people’s comfort."
What?
GitHub needs to make a statement about this or people are going to start moving away in droves. I signed up at Bitbucket last weekend and will probably start migrating in the next few days. This is stupid.
Edit: This is for GitHub's own repositories, not for all GitHub repositories. Still, it isn't a good sign. Tech will always be a meritocracy. Anyone trying to move against that will just be trampled underfoot by $$.
Not necessarily. Tech is mainly rooted in the San Francisco area where this is this whole bubble of ultra liberals, of which I have been a part and still am in some ways.
Yup. SF is full of trust fund babies or VCs that can throw money towards coders to make their ideas reality while they play CEO/CFO with their new company they created. It's an environment that encourages start up culture sure, but I've never run into an environment that produced so many wanna-be techies. Plenty of goods things came from there, but that's a numbers game. Just like how even a broken clock is right twice a day.
Words cannot describe the absurdity of this.. What's next to be infiltrated and taken over? What the fuck does any of this have to do with programming? What the fucking fuck?
Isn't GitHub a worldwide platform? Because every minority in one place is a majority someplace else. In that sense, "reverse discrimination" is meaningless by definition. I guess you have to be the right color in the right location to be discriminated against or else your claim is immediately discredited. That policy sounds like discrimination to me.
The absurdity and stupidity of political correctness continues to spread, like an insidious disease. Basically, github has made it clear that all the animals are equal, but some are more equal than others. If you are not in one of the "favored" groups, you're worthless and your rights need not be protected.
If you use github or were planning to, it's time to move elsewhere.
Oddly enough, if every programmer who didn't care about the code of conduct did just pack up and leave, leaving only people who do "need" a code of conduct policy, GitHub wouldn't have vary many projects, good code, or competent programmers left.
GitHub needs to think of itself as a library for code, and it's not a libraries job to tell authors how to write or conduct themselves.
I'm pretty sure this was drawn up due to heavy SJW activity a few weeks ago: https://github.com/opal/opal/issues/941 There was a thread on Voat that linked to this article, but I can't seem to find it.
Do they not realize the definition of equlality is equal rights and representation for all? Specifically saying one gender, culture, or race is not protected is the exact opposite of equality.
So when someone is "privileged" they know it's just comfort, but when someone is "marginalized" it's somehow a safety issue? The only way this makes any sense is if they believe historically oppressed groups are so pathetic and weak that they will kill themselves if called mean names on the internet. Rather racist/sexist, don't you think?
Remember: There is no skin colour on the internet.
This can't be real, right? This "todogroup" thing is some sort of parody/satire site I assume? This shit is on par with what's spewed out of the darkest pits of tumblr (and even most of that is satire or trolls).
the world is changing but you dont make obscure rules and codes of conduct.
You make rules for general talk and intervene when there are real issues. not just because someone is offended by some small little nuanced thing. you let people be grownups and resolve disputes. using the system to resolve disputes that are imagined is a dark place. and gitub is going there.
Good because reverse racism and reverse sexism are like what? Being non-racist and non-sexist. Who would want to punish people for not being racist? I mean, they could, but doesn't make it less dumb, anyway.
That probably means they will act on plain straightforward racism that some blacks, whites, yellows, whatevers have against others and so on. Which is fine, it's their site./s
Our open source community prioritizes marginalized people’s safety over privileged people’s comfort. We will not act on complaints regarding:
‘Reverse’ -isms, including ‘reverse racism,’ ‘reverse sexism,’ and ‘cisphobia’
Reasonable communication of boundaries, such as “leave me alone,” “go away,” or “I’m not discussing this with you”
Refusal to explain or debate social justice concepts
Communicating in a ‘tone’ you don’t find congenial
Criticizing racist, sexist, cissexist, or otherwise oppressive behavior or assumptions
wonder if there is some crazy lawyer out there that can spin all the GPL 2.0 stuff to make it so you can't restrict free speech based on crazy societal norms
Reverse racism and sexism? Being nice to people instead of jerks? Or are They saying white people and men don't deserve to be protected? Time to abandon the github ship and find a new service to use.
Communicating in a ‘tone’ you don’t find congenial
Oh look, they finally added a rider promising not to discriminate against autistic programmers. I don't really believe them so it really doesn't matter.
Edit: I read it a little more and take that back. Patterns of inappropriately assuming people are your friends after working with them for a while is banned. Like it's not hard enough when you make a stupid mistake like that without realizing it.
Pattern of inappropriate social contact, such as requesting/assuming inappropriate levels of intimacy with others
Git itself is a version control system - meaning it keeps track of a file or set of files as updates and changes occur; rather than saving a full backup of a file every time some line(s) of code are changed, it can take a 'diff' (difference) between the two and track who made those new changes, and when. This lets you roll-back to previous snapshots of a file if something new was added that broke functionality, and it makes it very good for managing large projects with a lot of developers (since you can literally pinpoint and 'blame' who created some bad code that broke stuff).
GitHub itself is simply a cloud-based service offering repository hosting (storage containers if you will) that host your programming projects. There are a lot of others, BitBucket might be the largest competitor I would say. BitBucket also integrates with other services the parent company (Atlassian) offers such as JIRA (project management and issue tracking). You can also host your own repositories on a server in-house and use Git to push to your own server and not need GitHub. GitHub is free to use if you want to host your own code as open-source and publicly available, but if you need private repositories such as for proprietary code you need to pay for those repositories.
Always do! Although as a side-note while we're on that subject - there were a surprising number of people out there who were pushing sensitive information up to their repositories (often public repositories); things like server keys, API access credentials, password files, etc... were ending up in repositories. So you might even say "have you sanitized your git commits today" as well. (For this you can include a ".gitignore" file at the root of the project and/or within any given directory in the tree and tell git to ignore file(s) thereby never allowing those to make their way into the repository).
What exactly is a reverse racism? Or reverse sexism? These are in no way one sided definitions. Reverse sexism as in a lack of sexism? Are they retarded? Yes, I think they are.
Where does it state that will actually become the coc of GitHub?
I can generate that for any community there!
All I found is that they use it for some of their own open source projects, but not the GitHub site!
We have adopted the Open Code of Conduct for the open source projects that we maintain, including Atom, Electron, Git LFS, and many others. The Open Code of Conduct does not apply to all activity on GitHub, and it does not alter GitHub's Terms of Service.
189 comments
146 u/Kleyno 03 Aug 2015 15:46
Time to leave GitHub?
20 u/qzx 03 Aug 2015 16:04
Is the atomic weight of cobalt 58.9?
10 u/Kleyno 03 Aug 2015 16:06
Internet says: Yes!
2 u/Vailx 03 Aug 2015 18:24
We are about three years away from some neo-alchemists coming in here and claiming that the listed atomic weights are all reptile lies, and doxxing you for saying that. Be careful!
89 u/In_Cog_Nito 03 Aug 2015 16:54
Alternatives to Github.
85 u/totally_not_a_robot 03 Aug 2015 17:36
Be aware, SourceForge has been accused of doing much worse things that GitHub.
Injecting malware into installers
Trying to confuse users with download links
13 u/In_Cog_Nito 03 Aug 2015 17:45
They are on the Boycott list.
0 u/tame 06 Aug 2015 16:04
They did this to GIMP after the GIMP team moved to a different service. They stole the old GIMP account and wrapped the installer in crapware.
2 u/ddrt 04 Aug 2015 04:29
GitGud it is!
0 u/Rancy 05 Aug 2015 14:54
Why is BitBucket being boycotted?
0 u/FSB 25 Aug 2015 10:52
They deleted the C+= (c plus equality) project repo
3 u/TheBuddha 03 Aug 2015 18:51
My ISP lets me run a server. It is time to go back to hosting locally, I suppose. I do not accept a neutral platform being politicized. There is no need for it.
2 u/llagerlof 03 Aug 2015 19:31
GitLab, here we go. This is why GitLab is better than GitHub.
0 u/acceleraptor 04 Aug 2015 10:41
it's not just Github though
117 u/insert_name 03 Aug 2015 16:21
Hehe, there's a bit in there which says that you can't send someone text that "represents" physical contact, i.e. "hug" or "touch", without consent.
So, to GitHub, the words "hug", "touch", and anything to do with contact, are banned without consent.
EDIT: Also, saying someone is a "he" or "she" is banned apparently, when referring to transgenders/fantasists.
EDIT2: hehe, check this out from the page...
So, hey, guys, you hear? If someone for example is "white", or has lots of money, you can be racist and everything and it's okay, because apparently you're "privileged"!
EDIT3: TBH, OP should have renamed the title "Github begins the outlawing of all language."
EDIT4: I've just realised, how do you ask someone for consent to say something to them? I mean if I ask "Can I say to "touch" to you please?", then haven't I just said "touch"? It's just so fucked up.
36 u/Uni 03 Aug 2015 16:58
👫
[USER HAS BEEN BANNED FOR THIS COMMENT]
If you can't see it
17 u/insert_name 03 Aug 2015 17:24
YOU SEXIST WHITE CIS MONSTER
12 u/Cid 03 Aug 2015 18:21
Wow look at that binary representation of people. It's literally everything that's wrong with this world. /s
2 u/insert_name 03 Aug 2015 20:43
Hehe. Sarcasm tab wasn't even neccessary. No-one who would actually be that stupid would comment here. They'd archive.is this page, link it on some BS SJW subreddit, and have a huge bitchy circlejerk on how cis white males are going to destroy the world.
4 u/roboticon 03 Aug 2015 17:11
Wow, you're not kidding, that's really in there. So a comment like
is officially harassment.
Where is that mentioned?
1 u/insert_name 03 Aug 2015 17:21
It's in there, about how to refer to people with the "correct" gender pronouns.
4 u/roboticon 03 Aug 2015 17:40
Ah, this?
I don't even...
-1 u/fry_hole 03 Aug 2015 18:16
I'm sorry, I don't see how that part is so bad. I mean I don't care if you're for or against trans but it's pretty simply common manners. If someone has a penis and prefers to be called she is it really that hard? It's not like anyone is being force to suck their dick.
I mean to make this a "rule" is stupid, but I don't see why it's such a big deal to some people to use a different pronoun.
1 u/roboticon 03 Aug 2015 18:35
In principle I don't have a problem with the first part, but at the same time I could easily see myself persistently forgetting who wants to be called "he", "she", "xe", "ey", "ze" and whatever other gender-neutral pronouns people choose.
The part I don't like is, "You must address people by the name they give you when not addressing them by their username or handle". Suppose I tell you my name is "King of the World and Better Coder than your Mom". Now you *have* to address me by that name (or my username) even if my GitHub account says my name is Mike?
0 u/fry_hole 03 Aug 2015 23:45
Yeah I hear you. What I'm talking about and what the rule was clearly a reaction to are people who go out of their way to call m>f trans "he" (or vice versa). Now to be clear I'm not defending the rule, the problem with rules is that it will most certainly be used to attack a person someone dislikes. It's clearly over reactinary bullshit.
That being said my point was that there are so many people who are just dicks about it. The whole Jenner thing is a good example. She's not asking to be referred to as xe, just she. I don't see it being a big deal calling her she even if you disagree with it. Yet many people have been very verbose in describing her as a he. That's what I don't undertand. Calling Jenner a "man with a mutlilated penis and a mental disorder" over and over doesn't add to debate. It's just being a dick.
0 u/insert_name 03 Aug 2015 20:46
To be honest, it's more the fact that they have to actually put it down as a rule. I mean, you learn about gender pronouns when you're, what, 1 or 2?
Basically they shouldn't have to tell people 99.5% of the rules on the page. It's basically "be nice kids" written in 78 different ways.
1 u/Dr_Venkman 03 Aug 2015 18:07
I'm gonna HUG you OP.
I'm gonna HUG you so hard.
2 u/weezkitty 03 Aug 2015 18:49
What the fuck?
Because obviously touching somebody = rape and talking about hugging is inciting rape.
4 u/insert_name 03 Aug 2015 20:47
You said rape.
You made me think of rape.
I feel raped.
Ergo you're a rapist.
Reported...
You cis white male scum.
1 u/Rigel 03 Aug 2015 21:37
What a bunch of faggots
0 u/404_SLEEP_NOT_FOUND 03 Aug 2015 22:29
Whoa... back the fuck up. Did you just rape me?
0 u/insert_name 03 Aug 2015 22:30
I'll post this again...
.
.
You said rape?
You made me think of rape!
I feel raped.
Ergo you're a rapist.
Reported...
You cis white male scum.
0 u/acceleraptor 04 Aug 2015 11:08
So really it's an Open(ly racist, sexist) Code of Conduct.
106 u/EIMR 03 Aug 2015 16:33
This is insane. They won't act on "reverse" discrimination. It appears that if you are heterosexual, white or male you don't have any rights. Then, saying things like *hug or *backrub without consent is banned. I can't understand this, this seems straight from the onion.
39 u/weezkitty 03 Aug 2015 18:50
SJWs once again prove that they have zero sense. Of course all these dumb ass rules are actually oppressing people. Their hypocrisy is laughable
5 u/alienz 03 Aug 2015 18:51
This is stupid because white people aren't majority or privileged in ALL countries in the world.
This kind of crap is just as bad as what they purport to not support because they make such broad generalizations.
Also, I am not white.
2 u/AssaultMonkey 03 Aug 2015 19:26
So I've heard that "reverse racism" is when a black person acts in a demeaning, derogatory, or expulsatory manner toward a white person. Is this what they mean? I honestly don't know what they mean and am not trying to troll. Can anyone help me out here?
11 u/insert_name 03 Aug 2015 20:49
Oh well let me explain.
Urm, the Github dev team are absolutely, completely, utterly, retarded.
2 u/RectalLeakage 03 Aug 2015 22:51
Sir or madam (or both), calling someone retarded is oppressive behavior. Check your newspeak guide for the appropriate word. (double-plus unsmart)
1 u/insert_name 03 Aug 2015 22:55
Mentally Defective? Ooo ooo, what about lamebrained?
I like lamebrained.
0 u/Beers 04 Aug 2015 00:58
Might as well call them Gits
1 u/sharkiness 03 Aug 2015 19:31
I feel like I'm taking crazy pills by reading it.
0 u/Feeling_my_goats 04 Aug 2015 00:25
Can I rub my genitals on your face?
59 u/Turnip_Knight 03 Aug 2015 16:13
"Reverse racism/sexism" ? There's "normal racism/sexism", then ? Really ?
88 u/ForgotMyName 03 Aug 2015 16:37
The best part is that immediately below that it says -
...unless you're white or male. In which case it's actually impossible for you to experience any kind of harassment or prejudice. Because that's "reverse -ism". The hypocrisy just from one paragraph to the next is amazing.
65 u/Aradiel 03 Aug 2015 17:14
It's funny that a site dedicated to programming projects is run by people who don't understand what "equal" means.
26 u/ForgotMyName 03 Aug 2015 17:23
It's embarrassing and infuriating. This is computer science. There is a long history of people using vehement, expletive laced comments to state their opinion regarding the design or implementation of something. These are attacks on ideas, not gender or race or some other crap. No one reads code and thinks, "Fah! I bet some transgender black woman wrote this." Because they don't care who wrote that code, it's just bloody garbage and they don't want to see that crap again. Maybe if it's particularly egregious they'll hunt them down in rev control and tell them to stop committing horrible code. Even then, it still won't be about anything other than the code. Devs only care about code. I don't care if you're the next Hitler or the next Gandhi. If you write good code, please contribute, if you write horrible code, gtfo.
10 u/Aradiel 03 Aug 2015 18:29
As a Dev myself, I completely agree - if I say a bit of code is retarded, I don't mean that the person who wrote it has mental disabilities, I mean that the code is poor, that it does it's job in an inefficient or nonsensical way.
10 u/sckpppt1336 03 Aug 2015 17:56
They've overloaded that operator.
6 u/ThisWeirdIndividual 03 Aug 2015 18:43
Or white and female (can't be racist against you) Or black and male (can't be sexist against you). Or white male and gay (can't be racist or sexist against you). Or black male and gay (can't be sexist against you). Or white woman and gay (can't be racist against you). Etc
0 u/tame 06 Aug 2015 16:08
That's what it looks like after the "majorities" are gone. He/she/it/they with the most differentiated race/gender/identification wins.
0 u/RewriteFullwise 07 Aug 2015 02:19
Please provide a Venn diagram.
1 u/ThisWeirdIndividual 07 Aug 2015 03:21
How about...
0 u/RewriteFullwise 07 Aug 2015 03:43
That was awesome, I LOLed for real. Thanks!
3 u/Werdd 03 Aug 2015 21:49
You see white people, particularly white males, are superior to every other race and they can withstand all of the abuse and injustices thrown their way, simply because they are better. At least that is what these policies seem to suggest.
2 u/ForgotMyName 03 Aug 2015 22:24
Are SJWs actually building a secret Aryan Nation and we just don't know it?
2 u/RectalLeakage 03 Aug 2015 22:54
My god, were the skinheads right? IS there a race war?
1 u/Budza 04 Aug 2015 00:12
Makes you stronger maybe? Also, less time spent bleating is more time spent productively ;)
1 u/tame 06 Aug 2015 16:06
First they came for the white males, but I did not speak out, for I am an attack helicopter.
11 u/smokeu 03 Aug 2015 18:39
Im glad im not the only one who reads "Reverst Racism/sexism" and only sees "Racism/Sexism"
1 u/kontroll 03 Aug 2015 19:07
Surely reverse racism is the same as not being racist at all? This is madness. :S
58 u/SxToMidnight 03 Aug 2015 16:35
What the fuck is "reverse" racism/sexism? Haha. It is just racism and sexism.
16 u/Phekka 03 Aug 2015 16:42
Hmm yes I think reverse racism is when you give special privileges or higher opinions to a person based on their race. So it's like, race-based judgements made about someone, but instead of being bad judgements you reverse the racism and......no this all sounds pretty stupid.
16 u/scorinth 03 Aug 2015 19:06
No, that's what some people call "positive racism" because you're still stereotyping them, but it's a "positive" stereotype.
Reverse racism is racism against the privileged race, typically white people. This springs from the (utter bullshit) idea that racism is about power, and therefore treating people differently based on their race is only racism if somebody in a powerful position uses it to discriminate against people who aren't in a powerful position.
1 u/Phekka 03 Aug 2015 20:58
12 u/NCocy 03 Aug 2015 16:57
It's a shortcut for "racism exercised by victims of racism".
8 u/Cid 03 Aug 2015 18:30
It's a term SJW/radfem types made up to bash people with. You see, they've redefined racism/sexism so they don't have to admit being bigots themselves, but since you can be racist to white people and sexist against men they need to attack people who think this way. So they coined the phrases "reverse racism" and "reverse sexism", pretend other people use them (pro tip: the only people using them are SJW/radfem types), then pretend the concepts for the phrases they made up don't even exist to try and erase other peoples experiences and opinions because they don't fit into their ideology. It's fucking weird and sick.
0 u/moses_blimey 07 Aug 2015 19:18
I think reverse racism and sexism is when a minority group is prejudiced towards a majority group.
But, that definition requires that GitHub define a scope to determine who is the minority and who is the majority.
48 u/seiyria 03 Aug 2015 17:13
This is not globally applicable across all GitHub projects, only ones that use this CoC. You are not required to use one and if you disagree with it, do not use it.
30 u/blergh- 03 Aug 2015 17:52
Yeah, the actual policy is much worse, it's just 'do what we say, because we say it'; check out the recent GitHub retard hoopla.
-10 u/seiyria 03 Aug 2015 19:34
There's a time and a place for everything, and while I'm not a fan of censorship (self or otherwise), I realize that there are some words that really just don't need to be said unless it's contextually appropriate.
9 u/realpatrickstewart 03 Aug 2015 19:58
Fuck.
5 u/PassingShip 03 Aug 2015 21:27
Ass!
0 u/Sento_Fernner 04 Aug 2015 10:35
I got you old man!
16 u/Vailx 03 Aug 2015 18:29
So, straight up- pretend that the code of conduct said stuff about the inherent supremacy of whites or whatever, and then had a rider saying it's "just a template". Would you be like "oh, ok, I can work with that group, I just have to cross out the parts about racism", or would you be like RACISTS ARE BAD NEWS, STAY AWAY!!
I argue the second is the rational response, and that's what this is.
-1 u/seiyria 03 Aug 2015 19:37
What does it matter either way if I don't use one in my project or participate in those that have it? Literally nothing. If they want to push their values, that's fine with me, because I'm going to keep ignoring it. I also am not sure using a hyperbole is an effective method of describing this situation; in your case, many people would have left GitHub, complained about it, or gotten a ton of negative press about it, which makes it a moot point.
I'm not good at pretending with regards to unrealistic situations.
4 u/binky 04 Aug 2015 03:06
but this policy is blatant sexism and racism...
6 u/verifiedbyvisa [OP] 04 Aug 2015 00:58
Poster here, I thought GitHub (and the other companies at http://todogroup.org) intends this to be a CoC for the GitHub community, hence the 'retard' takedown earlier in the week.
But the consensus seems to be this is for GitHub's own repos. It's still disturbing to see GitHub (and the other companies) endorse racism and sexism.
2 u/seiyria 04 Aug 2015 01:42
Yes, they're going to employ it and they encourage people to follow them, but there is no obligation nor necessity to do so.
45 u/WatDabney 03 Aug 2015 17:38
This is quite literally insane.
It's stunning really that human reason has degraded to the point that supposedly rational people proudly engage in explicit and deliberate racism and sexism in nominal pursuit of the elimination of racism and sexism.
39 u/mountainvoat 03 Aug 2015 16:52
If you are a straight white cis-male, it is time to get the fuck out of Dodge. Why the hell would you even consider staying somewhere where you are explicitly and officially lower priority than everyone else.
Even if they were to remove this from their code of conduct, don't go back and don't look back. The fact that they were able to put this policy in place suggests that they are so infested with SJWs that even without the official policy, you're going to be 'put in your place'.
Get out. Now. Run, don't walk.
4 u/the_spectre 03 Aug 2015 18:31
Yep. The SJW pox is too deeply set in.
16 u/weezkitty 03 Aug 2015 19:00
This looks like they are basically admitting to being SJWs and don't ask them to explain their logic because they ain't got any.
5 u/Domslord 03 Aug 2015 23:40
How can you program without any logic ?
5 u/weezkitty 04 Aug 2015 00:00
They can't. That's why they have few to no actual code contributions to the project. They usually just get in the way and slower things down.
3 u/ChanceofRain 03 Aug 2015 23:20
That was basically the foundation of MGTOW, before it was co-opted by the rest of society.
33 u/nonethewiser 03 Aug 2015 17:20
"Our open source community prioritizes marginalized people’s safety over privileged people’s comfort."
What?
GitHub needs to make a statement about this or people are going to start moving away in droves. I signed up at Bitbucket last weekend and will probably start migrating in the next few days. This is stupid.
Edit: This is for GitHub's own repositories, not for all GitHub repositories. Still, it isn't a good sign. Tech will always be a meritocracy. Anyone trying to move against that will just be trampled underfoot by $$.
2 u/flat_hedgehog 03 Aug 2015 17:33
Does anyone have numbers of how many people have left over this code of conduct ?
7 u/gaftra 03 Aug 2015 18:21
Can confirm that I've deleted my account there
1 u/pivotraze 04 Aug 2015 03:00
I didn't delete yet. Migrated to GitLab, forwarding all users to look at new repos.
6 u/alienz 03 Aug 2015 18:55
Not necessarily. Tech is mainly rooted in the San Francisco area where this is this whole bubble of ultra liberals, of which I have been a part and still am in some ways.
They are all busy patting each other on the back.
19 u/nonethewiser 03 Aug 2015 19:00
SF thinks that tech is mainly rooted in SF. Everyone else knows otherwise.
6 u/jimmyrussel 03 Aug 2015 20:22
Yup. SF is full of trust fund babies or VCs that can throw money towards coders to make their ideas reality while they play CEO/CFO with their new company they created. It's an environment that encourages start up culture sure, but I've never run into an environment that produced so many wanna-be techies. Plenty of goods things came from there, but that's a numbers game. Just like how even a broken clock is right twice a day.
26 u/Plymouth 03 Aug 2015 17:28
Fuck political correctness, and fuck the pussies who agree to be ruled by it.
21 u/lawofchaos 03 Aug 2015 17:03
Words cannot describe the absurdity of this.. What's next to be infiltrated and taken over? What the fuck does any of this have to do with programming? What the fucking fuck?
6 u/the_spectre 03 Aug 2015 18:33
C+equality!
15 u/Lag-wagon 03 Aug 2015 16:21
It is just Racism or Sexism... reverse sexism is like saying sexism sexism....
15 u/stevenxdavis 03 Aug 2015 17:36
Isn't GitHub a worldwide platform? Because every minority in one place is a majority someplace else. In that sense, "reverse discrimination" is meaningless by definition. I guess you have to be the right color in the right location to be discriminated against or else your claim is immediately discredited. That policy sounds like discrimination to me.
1 u/alienz 03 Aug 2015 19:01
this.
10 u/weezkitty 03 Aug 2015 19:05
That's exactly what it is
10 u/Lusp 03 Aug 2015 17:00
So, if someone belongs in the "privileged people" club, has no rights?! EVERY human has rights!
10 u/Pokerguy 03 Aug 2015 17:38
The absurdity and stupidity of political correctness continues to spread, like an insidious disease. Basically, github has made it clear that all the animals are equal, but some are more equal than others. If you are not in one of the "favored" groups, you're worthless and your rights need not be protected.
If you use github or were planning to, it's time to move elsewhere.
10 u/Cid 03 Aug 2015 18:18
Oddly enough, if every programmer who didn't care about the code of conduct did just pack up and leave, leaving only people who do "need" a code of conduct policy, GitHub wouldn't have vary many projects, good code, or competent programmers left.
GitHub needs to think of itself as a library for code, and it's not a libraries job to tell authors how to write or conduct themselves.
0 u/ShitArchon 21 Apr 2016 20:16
That's the thing. The people who have the mental wiring to be good at coding aren't people who have mental wiring to be good SocJus devotees.
9 u/northernarcher 03 Aug 2015 16:46
Thank fuck there are all kinds of alternatives to them. Plus theres Gittorrent, where there is no one in a position to censor you.
9 u/Questionssm 03 Aug 2015 17:52
TRIGGER WARNING
Hugs everyone
Fuck this gay earth for this silly shit.
8 u/Draugo 03 Aug 2015 17:09
That happened faster than expected.
8 u/00lizard 03 Aug 2015 18:01
I'm pretty sure this was drawn up due to heavy SJW activity a few weeks ago: https://github.com/opal/opal/issues/941 There was a thread on Voat that linked to this article, but I can't seem to find it.
8 u/Dr_Venkman 03 Aug 2015 18:05
Do they not realize the definition of equlality is equal rights and representation for all? Specifically saying one gender, culture, or race is not protected is the exact opposite of equality.
Like, literally the exact opposite.
Bye forever, Github.
8 u/ddd 03 Aug 2015 18:28
Is the world turning into Vonnegut's story? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harrison_Bergeron
7 u/ghotioninabarrel 03 Aug 2015 20:29
So when someone is "privileged" they know it's just comfort, but when someone is "marginalized" it's somehow a safety issue? The only way this makes any sense is if they believe historically oppressed groups are so pathetic and weak that they will kill themselves if called mean names on the internet. Rather racist/sexist, don't you think?
Remember: There is no skin colour on the internet.
6 u/Futt 03 Aug 2015 17:17
This can't be real, right? This "todogroup" thing is some sort of parody/satire site I assume? This shit is on par with what's spewed out of the darkest pits of tumblr (and even most of that is satire or trolls).
6 u/whatthehelldamnguy 03 Aug 2015 20:42
So openly calling for the extermination of the white race is okay on their website now. Ok. Yeah I would say it is time to leave.
5 u/strangefeel 03 Aug 2015 18:29
"You have the right to be an asshole as long as we hold a certain opinion about your race or culture."
5 u/portalsandtrapdoors 03 Aug 2015 21:18
Githhub went full blown dumb Political.
the world is changing but you dont make obscure rules and codes of conduct.
You make rules for general talk and intervene when there are real issues. not just because someone is offended by some small little nuanced thing. you let people be grownups and resolve disputes. using the system to resolve disputes that are imagined is a dark place. and gitub is going there.
4 u/Scaliwag 03 Aug 2015 16:36
Good because reverse racism and reverse sexism are like what? Being non-racist and non-sexist. Who would want to punish people for not being racist? I mean, they could, but doesn't make it less dumb, anyway.
That probably means they will act on plain straightforward racism that some blacks, whites, yellows, whatevers have against others and so on. Which is fine, it's their site./s
4 u/NCocy 03 Aug 2015 16:55
Not really:
3 u/Scaliwag 03 Aug 2015 16:59
So now people don't get sarcasm even with the /s tag?
3 u/NCocy 03 Aug 2015 17:02
I'm too outraged, LOL.
4 u/ZebraDanio 03 Aug 2015 18:31
I finally moved my source code to a different service, and removed all the links to GitHub on my websites.
4 u/ThisWeirdIndividual 03 Aug 2015 18:45
What's that? A parallel antiuniverse? Ah no...its because some people hijacked the words racism and sexism to only be used by them .
Reverse racism or sexism doesn't exist, this is newspeak.
3 u/athix 03 Aug 2015 19:01
Uh, what the fuck? There's no such thing as "reverse" sexism/racism. It's still fucking racist/sexist, period.
3 u/nathan815 08 Aug 2015 07:23
I made a flowchart for this crap... http://i.imgur.com/YHFB435.png
2 u/Woden1Eye 03 Aug 2015 17:40
Equality!
2 u/vantel 03 Aug 2015 17:51
I don't understand what I just read.
2 u/ximian 03 Aug 2015 20:25
Git the hub outta here...
2 u/JimmyJimRyan 03 Aug 2015 21:21
What the fuck is reverse racism or reverse sexism?
2 u/craschnet 03 Aug 2015 21:27
Why not call it what it really is "
reverseRACISM" or "reverseSEXISM"2 u/darthsuegar 04 Aug 2015 01:37
Direct excerpt:
2 u/asdghjklfghasldk 04 Aug 2015 03:47
wonder if there is some crazy lawyer out there that can spin all the GPL 2.0 stuff to make it so you can't restrict free speech based on crazy societal norms
ah if only lawyers weren't selfish bastards
2 u/Balrogic 04 Aug 2015 09:51
Some are alright, you just have to check between the cracks of ambulance chasers and district attorneys.
2 u/magnora 04 Aug 2015 05:35
There is no such thing as "reverse racism". There is only racism. The term "reverse racism" is itself racist.
There's no such thing as "reverse sexism". There is only sexism.
1 u/SpottyMatt 03 Aug 2015 19:33
Is todogroup.org also GitHub.com? Am I missing something?
1 u/WhoToldYouThat 03 Aug 2015 21:01
Fucking stupid. There is no such thing as reverse racism or sexism. Its just racism and sexism. To title it as reverse is stupid and unnecessary.
1 u/Werdd 03 Aug 2015 21:46
Reverse racism and sexism? Being nice to people instead of jerks? Or are They saying white people and men don't deserve to be protected? Time to abandon the github ship and find a new service to use.
1 u/NorBdelta 03 Aug 2015 22:45
Wow, I cannot believe such a place would cater to this extremist ideology
1 u/Radial 04 Aug 2015 08:46
reverseism double plus ungood
1 u/Balrogic 04 Aug 2015 09:50
Oh look, they finally added a rider promising not to discriminate against autistic programmers. I don't really believe them so it really doesn't matter.
Edit: I read it a little more and take that back. Patterns of inappropriately assuming people are your friends after working with them for a while is banned. Like it's not hard enough when you make a stupid mistake like that without realizing it.
1 u/NearlyNineInches 25 Aug 2015 02:26
Oh man, who pissed on the meritocracy rug this time?
Fucked.
0 u/ObscureReference 03 Aug 2015 17:31
I understand what visual basic is, I understand what linux is, and I understand what a gui interface is.
But I don't understand what the function of github is. Doe anyone want to try to explain github to me in english? If not I respect that too.
5 u/LittleBobbyTables 03 Aug 2015 17:52
Git itself is a version control system - meaning it keeps track of a file or set of files as updates and changes occur; rather than saving a full backup of a file every time some line(s) of code are changed, it can take a 'diff' (difference) between the two and track who made those new changes, and when. This lets you roll-back to previous snapshots of a file if something new was added that broke functionality, and it makes it very good for managing large projects with a lot of developers (since you can literally pinpoint and 'blame' who created some bad code that broke stuff). GitHub itself is simply a cloud-based service offering repository hosting (storage containers if you will) that host your programming projects. There are a lot of others, BitBucket might be the largest competitor I would say. BitBucket also integrates with other services the parent company (Atlassian) offers such as JIRA (project management and issue tracking). You can also host your own repositories on a server in-house and use Git to push to your own server and not need GitHub. GitHub is free to use if you want to host your own code as open-source and publicly available, but if you need private repositories such as for proprietary code you need to pay for those repositories.
1 u/ObscureReference 03 Aug 2015 17:56
Thank you, it appears to be a database/application that centralizes a programming project that uses collaboration.
Did you remember to sanitize your database input today?
0 u/LittleBobbyTables 03 Aug 2015 18:53
Always do! Although as a side-note while we're on that subject - there were a surprising number of people out there who were pushing sensitive information up to their repositories (often public repositories); things like server keys, API access credentials, password files, etc... were ending up in repositories. So you might even say "have you sanitized your git commits today" as well. (For this you can include a ".gitignore" file at the root of the project and/or within any given directory in the tree and tell git to ignore file(s) thereby never allowing those to make their way into the repository).
0 u/ObscureReference 03 Aug 2015 17:39
I am looking at this...forking a repo, social networking, collaboration on projects.
This looks alot like some of the meta topics I saw discussed in donglegate and the possibly related company wordpress.
Is this payback for donglegate?
0 u/Marijuana_Merlin 03 Aug 2015 17:59
What the fuck is Github anyways?
0 u/goatboy 03 Aug 2015 18:01
People still use github? Why?
0 u/recursive 03 Aug 2015 18:18
This page doesn't have anything to do with github. Put away your pitchforks.
0 u/canadian_apistevist 03 Aug 2015 18:38
As someone who is far left, censorship and radical political correctness is not far left.
0 u/RoseEsque 03 Aug 2015 19:45
What exactly is a reverse racism? Or reverse sexism? These are in no way one sided definitions. Reverse sexism as in a lack of sexism? Are they retarded? Yes, I think they are.
0 u/DocFluff 03 Aug 2015 19:54
This has nothing to do with GitHub. The title is very misleading.
3 u/something_went_wrong 03 Aug 2015 22:54
It has to do with something called "Open Code of Conduct" which Github has adopted.
0 u/laserguidedpolarbear 03 Aug 2015 20:10
That's fine, because neither of those things exist, and the idea that they do is inherently racist/sexist.
0 u/MC_Yggdrazil 03 Aug 2015 22:20
CisHub
0 u/Jahnon 06 Aug 2015 10:18
"reverse" stands for "allowed".
0 u/NearlyNineInches 25 Aug 2015 02:27
Oh, read the fucking pull request cuntage with the fuckwit who is adamant that this gets in - it's one fucked in the head cunt pushing her agenda.
stupid fuck
0 u/FSB 25 Aug 2015 10:58
Where does it state that will actually become the coc of GitHub? I can generate that for any community there!
All I found is that they use it for some of their own open source projects, but not the GitHub site!