Using github.com as a host is like going to a restaurant that has a sign posted saying "We reserve the right to spit in your food." They probably won't, but if they do, too bad. You were warned.
Given that anyone can run git or CVS, or any number of other, in my view, simpler and superior code management systems on their own servers and mitigate the possibility of some stranger deleting your project because it contains something that someone else finds "offensive", only the foolish or the lazy or the unconcerned use it as their actual primary repository. It also sucks as an end user software download site, and I wish people would stop trying to use it as such.
These submissions are getting out of hand. Remember, this is not "GitHub in Action". If these continue to pile up we'll have to come up with a solution. Spamming the frontpage isn't one. If that being remotely affiliated with programming (Employee doing shit -> Something with "SJWs" -> GitHub -> Repository -> Programming related) is good enough, then people might as well post pictures of their mobile phones.
Edit: That stuff was in October 2014. Almost a year ago.
The users want to submit and upvote this, I don't see a problem. What solution do you propose? Ban stuff that you merely suspect is associated with activism (eg: Github in action)? I merely posted that because its a source on the matter, not because I am affiliated with that group.
As a mod, why even get involved with book burning like that? Your "solution" seems more like a problem.
Edit: That stuff was in October 2014. Almost a year ago.
And it isn't well known. I found out about it today. And its very relevant to what is going on today.
As a mod, why even get involved with book burning like that? Your "solution" seems more like a problem.
I have written countless times on that topic. Funnily enough, I didn't write any solution (I just said what is not one), and you already rejected that nothing. Third, I'm the moderator of this subverse, which is called /v/programming. It's about programming. It shall not be a self assuring echo chamber of hatred about whatever remotely programming related, no matter if that 'hate' is justified or not. This subverse is still about programming.
I guess that some topics in here would also be allowed in /v/TIL and upvoted. Does it belong there? Probably not.
Really, those who're interested in that, by all means, create a subverse for it, and if it fulfills some standards, I'll link to it in the sidebar.
You now see the primitive fear/threat reaction. The specimen is about to boast of his strength, the weaponry of his vessel, and so on. Next, frustrated into a need to display physical prowess, the creature will throw himself against the transparency.
Your post isn't programming related. It doesn't have any code, or theory.
You are the clown performing at a fine restaurant and then complaining when people at the restaurant tell you "The Circus is down the street. Maybe that is a better place for your performance?"
That's fine. People should speak up and downvote if they don't like it. I'm sure within a week or 2 this will be old news and everyone will be tired of it. For those who don't know yet, they can read. How many pixels does this take up on your monitor anyway?
Go into the /v/programming subverse. Take a look at all the submissions with downvotes. You'll find there really aren't any... Except for when it comes to drama posts.
People do speak up and downvote. Are you going to listen and stop this nonsense? Or are you going to pull some kind of victim complex and claim this is some kind of conspiracy against you.
Once again. This isn't a subverse that tends to downvote good content. Your content got downvoted. That should tell you something.
The users want to submit and upvote this, I don't see a problem.
Because users upvote offtopic and worthless crap constantly. It's the reason why there are separate subreddits for /r/gaming vs /r/games. As subverses get popular they tend to turn into junk as low effort, low value stuff is voted up more often than other more valuable, but higher effort topics.
Stuff like this just doesn't belong on a programming subverse just because it's tangentially related to the topic. Just like I don't want to see screenshots of people's cakes that have some "funny code" in the icing.
I'm fine with the content, but I agree that this isn't the proper subverse for this discussion. We should be talking about companies like Github, especially if they're going off the rails (which clearly they have been overstepping some boundaries), but /v/programming is not the place for that discussion.
Can I recommend putting a better definition of "Programming Related" in the rules? Perhaps "Submission must have code or theory" A better definition would exclude stuff like this from being valid.
Also, provide a link in the rule section to a more appropriate subverse for submissions like this.
We really need a more politics focused programming forum. I'm okay if that is not /v/programming though.
What's a good name for it though? I'd say /v/programming versus /v/code is a good distinction but both of the subs already exist and have goals already. /v/programmingpolitics is too long though.
I like /v/programmingpolitics - It tells you right away what to kind of content to expect. But maybe, we need to think broader, and have a general /v/internetpolitics or something like that. Seeing how /v/KotakuInAction thrives in terms of submissions with actually quite a specific scope, a broader subverse could survive if "done correctly" (?)
Unfortunately, you can't PR to a project on GitHub from your Bitbucket account. GitHub needs to die and be replaced with Gittorrent or something actually distributed like that.
Define Dox: search for and publish private or identifying information about (a particular individual) on the Internet, typically with malicious intent.
… It's the definition of the term, you lunatic. Also, I'm not doing a client presentation, here. I'm replying to a comment on a forum. Research isn't needed to understand a simple word.
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25 u/MonitoredCitizen 11 Aug 2015 16:25
Using github.com as a host is like going to a restaurant that has a sign posted saying "We reserve the right to spit in your food." They probably won't, but if they do, too bad. You were warned.
Given that anyone can run git or CVS, or any number of other, in my view, simpler and superior code management systems on their own servers and mitigate the possibility of some stranger deleting your project because it contains something that someone else finds "offensive", only the foolish or the lazy or the unconcerned use it as their actual primary repository. It also sucks as an end user software download site, and I wish people would stop trying to use it as such.
19 u/Craftkorb 11 Aug 2015 14:37
These submissions are getting out of hand. Remember, this is not "GitHub in Action". If these continue to pile up we'll have to come up with a solution. Spamming the frontpage isn't one. If that being remotely affiliated with programming (Employee doing shit -> Something with "SJWs" -> GitHub -> Repository -> Programming related) is good enough, then people might as well post pictures of their mobile phones.
Edit: That stuff was in October 2014. Almost a year ago.
26 u/404_SLEEP_NOT_FOUND [OP] 11 Aug 2015 14:51
The users want to submit and upvote this, I don't see a problem. What solution do you propose? Ban stuff that you merely suspect is associated with activism (eg: Github in action)? I merely posted that because its a source on the matter, not because I am affiliated with that group.
As a mod, why even get involved with book burning like that? Your "solution" seems more like a problem.
And it isn't well known. I found out about it today. And its very relevant to what is going on today.
12 u/Craftkorb 11 Aug 2015 14:58
I have written countless times on that topic. Funnily enough, I didn't write any solution (I just said what is not one), and you already rejected that nothing. Third, I'm the moderator of this subverse, which is called /v/programming. It's about programming. It shall not be a self assuring echo chamber of hatred about whatever remotely programming related, no matter if that 'hate' is justified or not. This subverse is still about programming.
I guess that some topics in here would also be allowed in /v/TIL and upvoted. Does it belong there? Probably not.
Really, those who're interested in that, by all means, create a subverse for it, and if it fulfills some standards, I'll link to it in the sidebar.
-2 u/Catsaber 11 Aug 2015 15:04
You now see the primitive fear/threat reaction. The specimen is about to boast of his strength, the weaponry of his vessel, and so on. Next, frustrated into a need to display physical prowess, the creature will throw himself against the transparency.
4 u/Master_Foo 11 Aug 2015 22:05
Your post isn't programming related. It doesn't have any code, or theory.
You are the clown performing at a fine restaurant and then complaining when people at the restaurant tell you "The Circus is down the street. Maybe that is a better place for your performance?"
1 u/404_SLEEP_NOT_FOUND [OP] 13 Aug 2015 14:10
That's fine. People should speak up and downvote if they don't like it. I'm sure within a week or 2 this will be old news and everyone will be tired of it. For those who don't know yet, they can read. How many pixels does this take up on your monitor anyway?
0 u/Master_Foo 13 Aug 2015 18:40
Go into the /v/programming subverse. Take a look at all the submissions with downvotes. You'll find there really aren't any... Except for when it comes to drama posts.
People do speak up and downvote. Are you going to listen and stop this nonsense? Or are you going to pull some kind of victim complex and claim this is some kind of conspiracy against you.
Once again. This isn't a subverse that tends to downvote good content. Your content got downvoted. That should tell you something.
1 u/404_SLEEP_NOT_FOUND [OP] 14 Aug 2015 09:56
Lol fuck you piece of shit. Go ahead, spew more vitriol around. Like that's going to help.
0 u/goronmon 12 Aug 2015 16:57
Because users upvote offtopic and worthless crap constantly. It's the reason why there are separate subreddits for /r/gaming vs /r/games. As subverses get popular they tend to turn into junk as low effort, low value stuff is voted up more often than other more valuable, but higher effort topics.
Stuff like this just doesn't belong on a programming subverse just because it's tangentially related to the topic. Just like I don't want to see screenshots of people's cakes that have some "funny code" in the icing.
9 u/PhaZer0 11 Aug 2015 19:37
I'm fine with the content, but I agree that this isn't the proper subverse for this discussion. We should be talking about companies like Github, especially if they're going off the rails (which clearly they have been overstepping some boundaries), but /v/programming is not the place for that discussion.
-1 u/Master_Foo 11 Aug 2015 21:57
I get tired of this shit too.
Can I recommend putting a better definition of "Programming Related" in the rules? Perhaps "Submission must have code or theory" A better definition would exclude stuff like this from being valid.
Also, provide a link in the rule section to a more appropriate subverse for submissions like this.
-1 u/olhyUXuPQJNRLGgQrhDQ 12 Aug 2015 12:21
Thank you, sir.
1 u/blueingreen 13 Aug 2015 19:33
We really need a more politics focused programming forum. I'm okay if that is not /v/programming though.
What's a good name for it though? I'd say /v/programming versus /v/code is a good distinction but both of the subs already exist and have goals already. /v/programmingpolitics is too long though.
0 u/Craftkorb 13 Aug 2015 20:38
I like /v/programmingpolitics - It tells you right away what to kind of content to expect. But maybe, we need to think broader, and have a general /v/internetpolitics or something like that. Seeing how /v/KotakuInAction thrives in terms of submissions with actually quite a specific scope, a broader subverse could survive if "done correctly" (?)
0 u/voat9000 24 Aug 2015 04:15
This is what the community wants to discuss.
A solution would be to tag it and hide the tag if you don't like reading about it.
11 u/Futt 11 Aug 2015 14:26
Wow... They have really gone off the deep end... Moved all my stuff off of Github last week; hopefully Bitbucket is run by slightly saner people.
5 u/coldacid 11 Aug 2015 17:25
Unfortunately, you can't PR to a project on GitHub from your Bitbucket account. GitHub needs to die and be replaced with Gittorrent or something actually distributed like that.
9 u/devland 11 Aug 2015 16:11
Really? Googling an email address is considered doxxing?
Don't get me wrong the guy is obviously a dick but come on!
2 u/ddrt 11 Aug 2015 16:29
Quick google search.
6 u/Uni 11 Aug 2015 16:52
They never published any private information about him, and we have no proof that it was their intention.
0 u/ddrt 15 Aug 2015 22:29
You're replying to the wrong person.
6 u/devland 11 Aug 2015 16:54
No publishing took place and calling it "doxxing" makes it a click-bait title.
Wikipedia gives it another definition:
Since when is a google search equal to researching something?
If you can find it via a google search then it's meant to be found.
0 u/ddrt 15 Aug 2015 22:27
… It's the definition of the term, you lunatic. Also, I'm not doing a client presentation, here. I'm replying to a comment on a forum. Research isn't needed to understand a simple word.
0 u/devland 16 Aug 2015 23:09
Google isn't difficult; and the word is a neologism so yes, it's not simple to understand like "cheese", for example.
Also, you might want to refrain from calling people bad names. It diminishes your credibility.
Cheers. :)
7 u/devland 11 Aug 2015 17:01
I think we can do without the drama.