I'm never going to go full-MRA (or whatever I'll be called for having a penis and questioning things as a "patriarchy") and I'll agree there is sexism and societal stereotypes of gender in professions where it has no rights to be - but this goes both ways (sexist stereotypes are also perpetuated by even those who believe that they're doing good by "being on the right side of history" as they try to find sexism in everything - when fabricated sexism, victimhood and bigotry is an often criticised facet of their narrative), and a "patriarchy" in the sense of what the loud minority of feminists paint it as are only half truths. Half truths as male-dominated jobs. Half truths as the 77 cent income average for women. Half truths about exploitation, sexual violence, and so on.
It really does frustrate me because of how vague, far-reaching and debatable of a topic it is. There are those that claim there's patriarchal sexism but honestly I feel that they're doing more harm than good - trying to find sexism in everything. Perhaps it's just Human condition to find and focus on the worst about ourselves instead of trying to band together and better themselves and everyone else.
tl;dr: no, I'm not crying "why can't we all just get along". I'm pointing out that sexism has more than just one side, that it's part self-fulfilling prophecy and that those who focus solely on sexism in the industries (as opposed to help avoid it outright) also perpetuate sexism. This includes any "male tears" mugs and "kill all men" jokes (sexism under the guise of reactionary humour which really doesn't benefit anyone).
I do apologise if this spawns (or indeed has already spawned) a complete tangent of a discussion. That's what happens when the source topic is flawed (by however much) I suppose. Gender politics. Oh dear. D:
6 comments
2 u/ScientistSupreme [OP] 02 Oct 2015 19:41
This is one of the most inspiring video's i've seen in a while.
2 u/christmascarol 03 Oct 2015 03:53
The talk is awesome. The Q/A portion however...
Well that got political.
1 u/Majatek 03 Oct 2015 08:29
Political, and completely debatable.
I'm never going to go full-MRA (or whatever I'll be called for having a penis and questioning things as a "patriarchy") and I'll agree there is sexism and societal stereotypes of gender in professions where it has no rights to be - but this goes both ways (sexist stereotypes are also perpetuated by even those who believe that they're doing good by "being on the right side of history" as they try to find sexism in everything - when fabricated sexism, victimhood and bigotry is an often criticised facet of their narrative), and a "patriarchy" in the sense of what the loud minority of feminists paint it as are only half truths. Half truths as male-dominated jobs. Half truths as the 77 cent income average for women. Half truths about exploitation, sexual violence, and so on.
It really does frustrate me because of how vague, far-reaching and debatable of a topic it is. There are those that claim there's patriarchal sexism but honestly I feel that they're doing more harm than good - trying to find sexism in everything. Perhaps it's just Human condition to find and focus on the worst about ourselves instead of trying to band together and better themselves and everyone else.
tl;dr: no, I'm not crying "why can't we all just get along". I'm pointing out that sexism has more than just one side, that it's part self-fulfilling prophecy and that those who focus solely on sexism in the industries (as opposed to help avoid it outright) also perpetuate sexism. This includes any "male tears" mugs and "kill all men" jokes (sexism under the guise of reactionary humour which really doesn't benefit anyone).
I do apologise if this spawns (or indeed has already spawned) a complete tangent of a discussion. That's what happens when the source topic is flawed (by however much) I suppose. Gender politics. Oh dear. D:
1 u/roznak 02 Oct 2015 19:59
I have seen so many intelligent programmers that are 50% real genuineness and 50% pseudo-science crap.
0 u/roznak 02 Oct 2015 19:54
It is fantastisc.
So true.