The most alarming part about this is you don't know my gender, race, or sexual preference. If you visit a website you don't know who created it, if you use an app you don't see the developers that wrote it. If I contribute code to a github project or host my own the people looking at my code don't know anything about me unless I want to broadcast it.
For the first time in human history we have a level playing field for meritocracy to thrive yet it's the people who are "traditionally marginalized" that seem to the most vocally opposed because they see too many white and asian males succeeding.
This is a natural (if a bit saddening) result of the major shift that occurred around 2007, when the internet stopped emphasizing privacy and anonymity and started being treated as an extension of one's real personal life.
It's a dangerous way to live, because you're basically walking into somebody else's house and demanding that they live their life the way you do.
You all need to watch this and get familiar with the concepts to fight against it. You can see them attempting to frame the Opal debate around 'classes' of people based on their gender, race, creed, and sexual orientation. They are being the Useful Idiots right now, Stalin had them, Mao had them, Castro had them, they are always around to be used.
Call them out on how racist they are by labelling a black person a member of the 'black class' and there for cannot be anything but that.
Race, Creed, Gender, Sexual orientation are not CLASSES, they are ATTRIBUTES that define an individual.
I'm going to make new post on this, the OSS community needs to be more aware of what is going on.
What we see is not Marxism, cultural or otherwise.
What we see is an attack coordinated by a central entity and carried out by agents in the field. Whatever that central agency might be it is definitely not Marxist.
Their target is the Open Source Software community. So the most likely perpetrator is the CIA. This is as anti-marxist as it gets.
You are contributing to their attack by mislabeling them. If you are not sure what label to put on them you better refrain from putting any label at all.
I'm not stating you are wrong and I'm happy to look into your point of view but saying this isn't Cultural Marxism is disingenuous.
Now if you make the case that cultural marxism is just a weapon being used against us by a specific group, that is something I already agree with you on.
Know your enemy, know yourself and you will win every battle. Cultural Marxism is the weapon of choice, it's why Islamist and Feminism share in common ground and why the left is supporting these people. It's because they are using them to continue the ideological battle against Western culture.
They are clearly Useful Idiots that are being used just like Stalin, Castro, Mao, etc used them in their own political take over.
Why do you think they are redefining gender, race, religion, creed, and sexual orientation as a class struggle. Marxism is all about creating oppresses classes and in turn the oppressed class has the right to 'rise' up against their 'oppressors'.
They moved the narrative from a Worker class struggles to a gender/sex/race/creed/religion class struggle, none of this ideology works unless you can frame it that way.
edit: You are also wrong that it is directed solely at the OSS community, it's directed at all communities and they use the same false outrage follow by demands for concessions, which they then use to continue to use as a platform for their false outrage(s).
2nd Edit: I upvoted you to cancel out the down vote. Let's try and not down voat dissenting opinions and points of view. I'd actually like if @Caboose_Calloway expands on his point of view. We are better than that.
I'm not stating you are wrong and I'm happy to look into your point of view but saying this isn't Cultural Marxism is disingenuous.
Cultural Marxism is just an ideology. Like all ideologies it is based purely on belief. There is nothing provable or disprovable about something based on belief. Ideologies (all of them without reservation) are waste of time and therefore I refuse to deal with them.
On the other hand we have a most tangible series of attacks on a specific kind of people - Open Source software developers, places and people defending Free Speech and so on.
We have a probable causes for the attacks - Open Source software developers are providing means of secure communication and software resources alternative to commercial (invariably backdoored) software. They are also cutting on the bottom line of the biggest companies of USA.
We have opportunity - While the targets are usually well defended against cyber attacks they are foolishly open to social and economic attacks. We also know that contrary to what they claim CIA regularly conducts operations within the USA, including wet operations. They also conduct training and experiments on regular basis. With an extensive network and unlimited budget you can do this kind of stuff.
We have the precedent of deaths of Leader figures under suspicious circumstances. - Aaron Swartz, Ian Murdock, Michael Hastings... We have several attempts at entrapment targeting Linus Torwalds
At this stage whenever you see the term 'SJW' you can safely replace it with 'CIA Operative'. None of this has anything to do with ideology. These are field operations plain and simple. They have particular goals, definite targets and a precise plan of action. Leveraging various ideologies is part of that plan.
You are only helping them by making the ideology the focus of the debate.
Cultural Marxism is just an ideology. Like all ideologies it is based purely on belief. There is nothing provable or disprovable about something based on belief. Ideologies (all of them without reservation) are waste of time and therefore I refuse to deal with them.
People that identify with an Ideology and communicating what their belief structures are and that absolutely does matter.
On the other hand we have a most tangible series of attacks on a specific kind of people - Open Source software developers, places and people defending Free Speech and so on.
Totally agree, I was pointing out that the SJW are being used as Useful Idiots. I think we are conflating two different issues where, those that are running the game and those that are being used by them to change the rules of the game.
I was only commenting on the latter, the former I'm aware of but wasn't the issue I was highlighting and probably should have explained that better.
You are only helping them by making the ideology the focus of the debate.
Except it is not ALL CIA operations, while I'll free acknowledge they will use them as Useful Idiots they do have their own agendas they are working for.
You are conflating two different issue, ideologies do matter regardless of your personal beliefs and how you feel.
So how is spreading information on their tactics and attack vectors, that will in turn help protect the OSS community from these social and economic attacks. I understand your point but you are underplaying the SJW role and how effect of a defence it is to disarm their ability to act.
It relies on the larger population staying ignorant of their agenda, tactics and hate mongers they actually are.
We agree on the general situation but differ on minor details. I'd just like to add that paid and trained operatives can't be 'useful idiots' which is a specific and different thing. There may be some useful idiots among the SJWs but the main force seems too well coordinated to be so.
There may be some useful idiots among the SJWs but the main force seems too well coordinated to be so.
Very true, although I'd suggest that is a product of the last 20+ years teaching kids groupthink...or at least I'm honest enough to say I hope that is the case but I won't rule it out. I'm banking on the fact that people are cheap and if they can get someone to do it for free AND make them think it is their own idea, they will.
If they are being paid then they can't be Useful Idiots, they need to be unaware that they are being used to fall into that category. The paid ones are agent provocateurs and we definitely know they are used by all western police forces (RCMP has been caught doing it up here).
Hope for victory, plan for defeat, it's the only way to live.
Cheers and please stay on top of your view point, it's just as important, arguably more important, than knocking down the useful idiots.
why are CoCs always pushed by non-programmers who don't understand the culture?
Leads me to believe that there's an agenda behind this kind of thing. All sorts of open-source getting attacked by these kind of people? Clearly they don't have any interest in the projects or the programming, so their motivation must be something else. If they don't have any interest in the project, then we can only assume that they aren't doing this out of the kindness of their hearts, and don't have the project's best interests in mind.
Logical conclusion: They want to harm open source projects. And you don't go on the internet and try to harm open source projects without some motive for doing so.
If they were programmers that were involved in open source, and found that there were problems in the community, then you might have a point. Instead, they're pushing their way into a group - a group that they don't know and don't understand, and have no reason to push their nonsense since they don't know anything about it - and trying to push their ideals onto people who didn't want them there in the first place. If they don't understand the culture.. why do they think they know what the problem is? The position of "drama queen" does not exist in the programming world. Some programmers may be drama queens, but they're programmers first.
Lots of people believe in what they're doing, doesn't make them a force for good. Lots of people have done lots of bad or stupid things because they believed in some nonsense.
Lots of people believe in what they're doing, doesn't make them a force for good. Lots of people have done lots of bad or stupid things because they believed in some nonsense.
Agreed. My point was that they may well have good intentions not related to destroying open source.
I understand.. and I don't know why you got downvoted so hard.. but my point is that this is odd. Even more so because open source projects couldn't really care about their nonsense, as it doesn't relate to code in any way. It's more of an unwelcome intrusion, and if they weren't even part of the community then they're just out to make trouble. "Good intentioned individuals" is possible, but seems unlikely.
I think what they are after is a way to get people to do what they want by a form of extortion where they can threaten them with accusations of violating SJW norms, which are basically anything.
If you are the NSA and you want a backdoor in a project and some developer won't take a bribe you can just have some SJW tar and feather him and get his career destroyed with minimal effort by barring him from any project with the "covenant".
Suddenly the argument is not about the contributor 's code or technical ability but some second hand hearsay about something said at a convention meeting somewhere alleged to be derogatory to someone. It's like you can push a button and trash someone's career with no trial this way.
Well, there is the theory that the entire SJW movement is created and pushed by The Powers That Be... and this fits right into it. Open source is anti-corporate to a degree, and certainly no friend of the NSA... so destroying the entire movement would work into that agenda, if it truly exists. Leave us in a DMCA-locked-down world where we have to pay Microsoft to turn Windows 10 features back on, and get all your info from the new corpa-net service you pay for.
The best way then to point out the flaws in the SJW agenda is that there is no definition for what is abuse or offense and no way to dispute the validity of an allegation or even if rhe alleged act occurred.
The offense could be anything perceived, hearsay made up or otherwise so it is just a means for enabling someone with a lack of scruples to threaten, libel and replace individuals within an organization.
One of the guys on the code team I worked on could barely be called human. He should have been called 'Very Angry Programming Creature that drinks. Alot" He was/is good. Another guy I worked with was more of a 'Sloth that eats all day and blames you for his programming mistakes" creature. Wait..... I have an idea. We could make a Programming Creature Manual for employers. This will assist non-I.T. management in what they are seeing when they try to hire that next Rockstar Developer for your team.
edit: because I think faster than I type or spell.
I really hate the concept of being blocked from a project you've spent hours, days, months and years contributing to and making a difference on the project because you posted something on Twitter or another forum which has nothing to do with the project. Its a lot like the situation with Brendan Eich. He's given so much to the community. His contributions are the primary reasons why I have a job.
Then one day he contribute a couple thousand dollars to an organization that happens to support anti-gay sentiment, and then it becomes, thanks for your years of contribution, but fuck you and don't let the door hit you on the way out. Many of these fucking SJW's wouldn't even have a job without this man.
I really believe that a CoC is not a solution to anything. Meritocracy, especially in code production should be the one and only one thing that matters.
I have to put up with SJW at work places and its a fucking pain in the ass. Case in point, I worked at a bank and I worked with a guy who had a pretty abrasive personality. I found out its was more of a front because he's had to deal with so many shitty developers he now doesn't give you the benefit of the doubt but expects you to prove yourself to him before he warms up to you. Yeah its a bit shitty but I understand where his frustration comes from. Furthermore, he's said things in his frustration, that could be misconstrued to be very insensitive. But he is also an industry wide well know programmer in the banking industry.
After a few lesser developers, which by that I mean developers whose unit test if they write it at all always fails, code is always below par, missed delivery timelines almost all the time with a ton of excuses, but also punches out everyday before 5pm, started complaining about this guys behavior and how they thought his abusive personality is the reason why their code sucked so bad. The fact that this guy gave the bank almost 10 years and was one of the primary driving forces of the banking system they have didn't even come up as a consideration.
IMO, the response to these ass holes complaining about him should have been, "eat shit and die", but they asked the guy to enroll in employee sensitivity classes and anger management classes.
The one thing I realized is that the people pulling the SJW card in tech always, always is people who do not contribute much to any project yet when the project is successful like an open source project they take credit like they worked on 90% of the project but their contributions are so miniscule that it was a grammar fix to the README file or some other small shit like that.
I wished github wouldn't give contribution credit to people whose contributions weren't accepted, no coding contribution, and it falls below a like 3% threshold. Right now it makes it easy to contribute nothing of value and makes it seem like you were a contributor like the CoralineAda bitch. All she's done is open tickets and try to get her CoC accepted and she's given credit like she was a coding contributor. I tried to look up her profile and couldn't find anything that indicated she was a programmer at all. Most of her activity is her stupid CoC and trying to push it on other projects.
Title IX, if accused of sexual assault or rape you have to prove you got consent first before you had sex. No lawyers, just the college court and your hearing.
I've been working on learning Ruby more in-depth than to write "Hello World".
If this "Covenant" is accepted for the core language, I will have several Ruby books up for grabs.
In all seriousness, no computer language should need a covenant of any sort that polices thought and speech. If they are concerned about rabbit trails and downright despicable behavior on forums, that's what a Moderator is for. Arm the Moderator with something as ridiculous as a "covenant", and all it takes is one bad day to get everything you breathe or type to be eradicated.
Come on, people. The ancient Egyptians did that with people they didn't like. Are we going to go back three thousand years or more, just because someone gets butt-hurt?
If my code sucks, say so. (I probably know it already.) A covenant requiring people to use nice words isn't going to improve my code. Tell it like it is. Be constructive. I'll learn.
Is this all this woman has time for? Targeting open source projects with harassment and threats to OBEY her orders? I gather LGBT and racism are issues... but what the fuck has it got to do with software? It's not like a project such as ruby is filled with in-your-face messages promoting racial hate or homophobia. If anyone was, they'd be shunned and looked down on without the need for a CoC.
It's just getting fucking ridiculous. Why doesn't this excuse of a woman go travel to saudi arabia and campaign for LGBT rights where people are executed for being gay. Oh sorry, i just realised, you do not care about that. Your goal is to get attention and fuck things up for everyone else just so you can feel special and involved without actually contributing anything of your sorry ass.
The one thing I can't understand is, software development is as gender, race neutral as you get. No one knows your color, gender, religion, sexual preference, unless you go out of your way to advertise it somehow.
The fact that one thread specifically emphasized code rejection based on people of color, just blew my mind. As a project lead, I have very little time to code, code review, documentation, and all the other shit I do day to day, let alone do research on a few random contributors to find out that they are colored people and reject on that basis.
At the end of the day, pull requests are rejected because the code is bad, period.
Remember that she may have formed a few projects so itly be that not all of her repositories aren't zer's.
She should spend more time on her read.me's than than this code of conduct.
Is Ruby/rails that bad that people get shit for bad pull requests?
I participate on 2 of that largest laravel (php) communities and I've only seen 1 ass so far complain about trying to help with code that was written in Spanish, yet, he still helped.
If a girl shows up, guys go out of their way to help.
This is just an attention whore who writes one sentence to describe here repos!
I have no words for this faggotry. Open source community must really be full of thirsty beta cucks, I would have banned anyone on sight who attempts to influence my project based on some bullshit on god damn Twitter.
For a glimpse at the motives behind the seemingly innocuous Contributor Covenant, notice
how its author attempts to censure a developer on an open source project, for the
thoughtcrime of having an opinion on twitter, completely unrelated to the project:
I poked through the repository of the arrogant bully pushing this stuff and harassing people. Much of their code seems to be trivial wrappers for other libraries, plus scores of text documents about feminism and such, which have no business belonging on github as it is a code repository. Is anyone aware of anything significant this person has contributed to the technology field? Many of the people being harassed are significant and notable contributors who have done real work.
But, lol, I finally looked up some pictures of him ... Reminds me of those Japanese guys who collect Loli figures and goes to those weird coffee shops in Akihabara ...
So never mind my post. He just might not follow standard Japanese guy mentality.
I hope Matz rejects this. I think he will. It'll be a matter of how he goes about doing this. He's Japanese and Mormon. I don't think he's subscribed to SJW beliefs.
I honestly don't understand what feminists/SJWs have to gain by going after open source software? Like of all the oppression in the world, hell even of the completely made up oppression they think they experience in western society, a bunch of open source software projects have absolutely no connection to any of that.
Stuff like the ruby, django, php, and linux communities have no influence on anything that would ever have any noticeable impact on the average person or anyone outside of the development community. So why on earth have radical feminists made this their target? Same with gaming, why are they going after all these targets that have absolutely no involvement in the "institutional sexism" that they pretend exists and claim they're against?
They're in those spaces for the same reason they are in indie game dev spaces, alt culture music genres, comics, youtube, and generally anywhere that is typically male dominated but not exclusively for men and have no barriers to entry based on gender or physical appearance in order to have the audience "opposition" they desperately want to validated of their beliefs. Nothing proves you need feminism like being told that feminism has no place in a place which doesn't give a fuck about your gender, looks, beliefs, or pronouns.
You'd know that most open source places (and in the real world) have an unwritten "close your mouth unless you've got something worth hearing" policy meaning you don't get attention when you talk about shit unless there is a specific reason to pay attention to what you say. If you want to talk about this or that being sexist you would have probably been told that this isn't the place to discuss such things and anyone doing real work was just not interested. These ego parasites need to inject identity politics where ever they can because it erases the unwritten policy, it makes it important to listen to certain people because gender or race becomes a factor in a place where no one has a gender or race before now.
Codes of Conduct changes, anti harassment initiatives, women in X drives etc from these people are all efforts to grandstand on the stage of identity politics because resistance proves you were right to suggest things change and acceptance demonstrates you are a progressive activist making the world a "better" place. That and they are always followed around by loud, poorly informed groupies who hear the key words of "women, harassment, racism" and chime in like they know anything. (just like me)
Simple. It's a way for people to gain influence despite lacking the technical skills required to gain influence by way of technical merit. It's not about oppression or discrimination, it's about sociopolitical power.
If their target is sociopolitical power, then a bunch of software development communities is a pretty damn low target on the sociopolitical influence scale.
These people are hardly taking over parliament. They're just as shy and socially awkward as most of us geeks, they just happen to have an axe to grind so they're going after what they see as the softest possible target.
Edit: It's not about making the whole world listen, it's about making someone - anyone - listen to them. So maybe "sociopolitical power" was the wrong way to describe it. They want their persecution complex validated and then their "persecutors" overthrown in front of a sympathetic audience.
How can an internet community discriminate against the anonymous? If no one knows your identity, they can't really be racist or sexist toward you. What is this even about?
Wow. This is pretty terrible. Many people saying 'please don't censor this this way - it isn't necessary and can be used to hurt us by petty people who will be put in charge' and then the person who suggested it popping in every now and then saying 'Shh shh shh - I know what's best. We need these rules and people to rule over you. I know it didn't work in other communities, but here's an instance of someone acknowledging it didn't work, (virtually killing the community,) but thanking me for pushing for it. That's reason enough to implement it in this arena as well. If you don't want this, you are one of those people who want to hurt people in this community.'
It's not subtle at all and very manipulative. Creepy AF. GL, Ruby.
The social justice movement is actually a movement for stupid people to not be under intelligent people anymore. They believe by being born intelligent, we are privileged. Stupid people are people, too, basically.
For anyone struggling to understand, these people will stalk your online accounts. If you say anything deemed against cultural Marxism, you will be labeled a phoebic something or other, and they will demand you removed from any work you do on these projects.
So what is the demonstrable problem? Can someone point me to something that's happened? I can't be mad at a bunch of people hugging each other unless someone changes my understanding and so far this thread is seemingly a collection of "fuck those guys".
What has professionalism go to do with open source / free / libre software. Torvalds is a perfect example of why it isn't needed. Tell it how it is, give the finger to nvidia, and tell people when their code is shit -- they get the point immediately and they learn from it. If it makes you cry, then fix it if you want your code merged.
Otherwise people assume they are doing the right thing, when they are not. Look at a bunch of kids... When little peter can't even scribble a stick figure, and the teacher goes "awww well done, that's brilliant" they keep drawing shitty scribbles. Tell them it's shit, make them cry, and they will learn how to improve things. I'm not saying you should literally swear at your children, but for the sake of telling it how it is -- this is better than professionalism -- it encourages advancement and learning for everyone.
Professionalism is a strange lived-out fantasy (particularly if you wear a suit and sit in an office of clones), i find it bizarre, and tend to associate it with psychopathy. The idea of pretending you are some kind of shrink wrapped plastic figure who conforms to all "norms" defined by an individual is baffling.
Professionalism is not needed in the open source world. The whole point of freedom is just that. To be free from monopolization and corporation. It is essentially the anarchy of computing, it does not require political correctness or Code of Cocksucking agreements and contracts.
Thanks for actually answering. I'm often frustrated when I see a thread filled with vitriol and this time, just wanted to see what the fury was about. After looking at the twitter, I don't see how that lady could be genuinely mad. Its ridiculous and its fucking shameful matz would even feel he had to weigh in on something like that.
But Brigading will create more of this.
Codes of conduct should never be in a language core I think. What could be enforced, unless the language itself was proprietary and licensed per use? It is fine that people are pissed.
Querying an obfuscated situation should never be downvoted. Fuck those downvotes.
No problem. I too was curious about the situation. People should explain a bit about the links they post instead of just dumping them but I guess they'll get upvoted since people aren't posting better content.
I think code of conducts should only be required for legal organizations and only to the extent the law requires.
Look up higher in this thread, there is a link to project called opal where they were trying to get core contributor kicked out of project because he tweeted something they didn't like. Adopting this CoC means removing people for project unrelated private opinions, it's explicitly there in the CoC.
Seems like the PC crowd who successfully infiltrated mainstream culture now wants to do the same with other sub cultures like tech, gaming and science. All dominated by men. The perfect target for their "re-education".
These people are fierce ideologues and zealots. They want everyone to bow to their world view and standards.
You all should really read Eric Raymonds take on this. This might really be just a very clever form of political infiltration.
I don't understand anything any more. I don't think I know any SJWs, and probably wouldn't know they were SJW's even if I did. For the Love of Mike, just code. It's very easy to put people on the /ignore list.
Huh... I don't like feminazi and sjw, because they're feminazi and sjws, and I don't like Ruby fanatics, because they're stuck up, arrogant, snobbish retards... But the latter were just unfortunate enough to invest their time in hipster programming language, while the former are pure evil, so I'll guess I'll stick with hipsters.
Have a look at her history when you click on her name. Maybe it only goes back X days but I don't see much history with her in this group other then this one issue literally showing her registered five days ago.
https://redmine.ruby-lang.org/users/10446
Besides that, I don't want to live in the community where a member can possibly be casted out forcefully. It's not nice.
It should be resolved by law enforcement, if needed. Thus banning is out of question (for me at least).
Just look at the sheer volume of distraction that caused. Hundreds upon hundreds of comments. All of that time could have been spent on actually doing work. There is simply no limit to the amount these people will take. That is all they know how to do, give them an inch and they will take, and take, and take until there is nothing left.
Do not ever give in to a single thing these people "demand".
Judging by the comments in that entire thread I do think the SJW side has a point. It's just about making the Ruby community not be full of asshole neckbeards. Is it any coincidence that the angriest, most hostile people in that thread are those opposing it? It's because they can't make any coherent argument as to why it is a bad thing. Also, Eric S. Raymond is a little bit nutty. Is it any coincidence a software development would be a gun nut? Like hello, you're not tough, you're a computer nerd. You'd probably lose to a 12 year old in an actual fight. Not to mention all the minority groups he probably wants to shoot.
Way to stereotype. I'm sure everything you just posted could be used to get you thrown out of any online community because you just made programmers feel unsafe.
But then again, I'm an adult and can shrug off your opinion. Which is why I'm against CoCs, because I expect everyone to just be an adult and act appropriately.
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51 u/Tommstein 24 Jan 2016 06:42
The only correct response to this is "eat shit and die."
2 u/IdSay 24 Jan 2016 18:13
and "get raped by a black dude with aids".
1 u/faissaloo 29 Jan 2016 12:56
But some people would enjoy that, change it to skinny white midgets with smallpox
41 u/cat-facts 24 Jan 2016 09:31
The most alarming part about this is you don't know my gender, race, or sexual preference. If you visit a website you don't know who created it, if you use an app you don't see the developers that wrote it. If I contribute code to a github project or host my own the people looking at my code don't know anything about me unless I want to broadcast it.
For the first time in human history we have a level playing field for meritocracy to thrive yet it's the people who are "traditionally marginalized" that seem to the most vocally opposed because they see too many white and asian males succeeding.
This writeup by Eric S. Raymond is pretty good titled Why Hackers Must Eject the SJWs
7 u/Gamerdog6482 24 Jan 2016 17:18
This is a natural (if a bit saddening) result of the major shift that occurred around 2007, when the internet stopped emphasizing privacy and anonymity and started being treated as an extension of one's real personal life.
It's a dangerous way to live, because you're basically walking into somebody else's house and demanding that they live their life the way you do.
37 u/Crashmarik 24 Jan 2016 06:42
http://esr.ibiblio.org/
Eric S Raymond has much about this on his blog. It Isn't just Ruby. Django, PHP and Linux have all been targeted.
22 u/cat-facts 24 Jan 2016 09:23
One of the writeups in question can be found here http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=6918
"Why Hackers Must Eject the SJWs"
6 u/KinkRaven 24 Jan 2016 12:28
What is cultural marxism by Thoruim:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYu6qhd88_M
You all need to watch this and get familiar with the concepts to fight against it. You can see them attempting to frame the Opal debate around 'classes' of people based on their gender, race, creed, and sexual orientation. They are being the Useful Idiots right now, Stalin had them, Mao had them, Castro had them, they are always around to be used.
Call them out on how racist they are by labelling a black person a member of the 'black class' and there for cannot be anything but that.
Race, Creed, Gender, Sexual orientation are not CLASSES, they are ATTRIBUTES that define an individual.
I'm going to make new post on this, the OSS community needs to be more aware of what is going on.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GHfSHYbkF4
1 u/Caboose_Calloway 24 Jan 2016 13:09
What we see is not Marxism, cultural or otherwise.
What we see is an attack coordinated by a central entity and carried out by agents in the field. Whatever that central agency might be it is definitely not Marxist.
Their target is the Open Source Software community. So the most likely perpetrator is the CIA. This is as anti-marxist as it gets.
You are contributing to their attack by mislabeling them. If you are not sure what label to put on them you better refrain from putting any label at all.
2 u/KinkRaven 24 Jan 2016 13:27
Got any sources for that?
I'm not stating you are wrong and I'm happy to look into your point of view but saying this isn't Cultural Marxism is disingenuous.
Now if you make the case that cultural marxism is just a weapon being used against us by a specific group, that is something I already agree with you on.
Know your enemy, know yourself and you will win every battle. Cultural Marxism is the weapon of choice, it's why Islamist and Feminism share in common ground and why the left is supporting these people. It's because they are using them to continue the ideological battle against Western culture.
They are clearly Useful Idiots that are being used just like Stalin, Castro, Mao, etc used them in their own political take over.
Why do you think they are redefining gender, race, religion, creed, and sexual orientation as a class struggle. Marxism is all about creating oppresses classes and in turn the oppressed class has the right to 'rise' up against their 'oppressors'.
They moved the narrative from a Worker class struggles to a gender/sex/race/creed/religion class struggle, none of this ideology works unless you can frame it that way.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Useful_idiot
edit: You are also wrong that it is directed solely at the OSS community, it's directed at all communities and they use the same false outrage follow by demands for concessions, which they then use to continue to use as a platform for their false outrage(s).
2nd Edit: I upvoted you to cancel out the down vote. Let's try and not down voat dissenting opinions and points of view. I'd actually like if @Caboose_Calloway expands on his point of view. We are better than that.
3 u/Caboose_Calloway 24 Jan 2016 14:54
Cultural Marxism is just an ideology. Like all ideologies it is based purely on belief. There is nothing provable or disprovable about something based on belief. Ideologies (all of them without reservation) are waste of time and therefore I refuse to deal with them.
On the other hand we have a most tangible series of attacks on a specific kind of people - Open Source software developers, places and people defending Free Speech and so on.
We have a probable causes for the attacks - Open Source software developers are providing means of secure communication and software resources alternative to commercial (invariably backdoored) software. They are also cutting on the bottom line of the biggest companies of USA.
We have opportunity - While the targets are usually well defended against cyber attacks they are foolishly open to social and economic attacks. We also know that contrary to what they claim CIA regularly conducts operations within the USA, including wet operations. They also conduct training and experiments on regular basis. With an extensive network and unlimited budget you can do this kind of stuff.
We have precedent of similar attacks taking place. Here is an example of undercover FBI agent operating as crisis actor in Burns - Oregon just a few days ago.
We have the precedent of deaths of Leader figures under suspicious circumstances. - Aaron Swartz, Ian Murdock, Michael Hastings... We have several attempts at entrapment targeting Linus Torwalds
At this stage whenever you see the term 'SJW' you can safely replace it with 'CIA Operative'. None of this has anything to do with ideology. These are field operations plain and simple. They have particular goals, definite targets and a precise plan of action. Leveraging various ideologies is part of that plan.
You are only helping them by making the ideology the focus of the debate.
1 u/KinkRaven 24 Jan 2016 17:47
People that identify with an Ideology and communicating what their belief structures are and that absolutely does matter.
Totally agree, I was pointing out that the SJW are being used as Useful Idiots. I think we are conflating two different issues where, those that are running the game and those that are being used by them to change the rules of the game.
I was only commenting on the latter, the former I'm aware of but wasn't the issue I was highlighting and probably should have explained that better.
Except it is not ALL CIA operations, while I'll free acknowledge they will use them as Useful Idiots they do have their own agendas they are working for.
You are conflating two different issue, ideologies do matter regardless of your personal beliefs and how you feel.
So how is spreading information on their tactics and attack vectors, that will in turn help protect the OSS community from these social and economic attacks. I understand your point but you are underplaying the SJW role and how effect of a defence it is to disarm their ability to act.
It relies on the larger population staying ignorant of their agenda, tactics and hate mongers they actually are.
1 u/Caboose_Calloway 24 Jan 2016 23:13
We agree on the general situation but differ on minor details. I'd just like to add that paid and trained operatives can't be 'useful idiots' which is a specific and different thing. There may be some useful idiots among the SJWs but the main force seems too well coordinated to be so.
1 u/KinkRaven 25 Jan 2016 05:03
Very true, although I'd suggest that is a product of the last 20+ years teaching kids groupthink...or at least I'm honest enough to say I hope that is the case but I won't rule it out. I'm banking on the fact that people are cheap and if they can get someone to do it for free AND make them think it is their own idea, they will.
If they are being paid then they can't be Useful Idiots, they need to be unaware that they are being used to fall into that category. The paid ones are agent provocateurs and we definitely know they are used by all western police forces (RCMP has been caught doing it up here).
Hope for victory, plan for defeat, it's the only way to live.
Cheers and please stay on top of your view point, it's just as important, arguably more important, than knocking down the useful idiots.
1 u/shirtlords 25 Jan 2016 01:55
I'll take... "bilderburg group" for 500, Alex.
0 u/iamjanesleftnipple 24 Jan 2016 17:09
Looks like it's time to fork php
31 u/djdevin 24 Jan 2016 09:33
why are CoCs always pushed by non-programmers who don't understand the culture?
nobody who writes code prolifically gives a shit
all I care about is the code. you don't even have to be human, as long as the code is objectively good there should be no barrier to contribution
i.e. "show me the code"
17 u/epsilona01 24 Jan 2016 09:56
Leads me to believe that there's an agenda behind this kind of thing. All sorts of open-source getting attacked by these kind of people? Clearly they don't have any interest in the projects or the programming, so their motivation must be something else. If they don't have any interest in the project, then we can only assume that they aren't doing this out of the kindness of their hearts, and don't have the project's best interests in mind.
Logical conclusion: They want to harm open source projects. And you don't go on the internet and try to harm open source projects without some motive for doing so.
-3 u/european 24 Jan 2016 12:39
It needn't be the case they want to harm open source. They could believe in what they are doing.
1 u/epsilona01 24 Jan 2016 18:38
If they were programmers that were involved in open source, and found that there were problems in the community, then you might have a point. Instead, they're pushing their way into a group - a group that they don't know and don't understand, and have no reason to push their nonsense since they don't know anything about it - and trying to push their ideals onto people who didn't want them there in the first place. If they don't understand the culture.. why do they think they know what the problem is? The position of "drama queen" does not exist in the programming world. Some programmers may be drama queens, but they're programmers first.
Lots of people believe in what they're doing, doesn't make them a force for good. Lots of people have done lots of bad or stupid things because they believed in some nonsense.
0 u/european 24 Jan 2016 19:33
Agreed. My point was that they may well have good intentions not related to destroying open source.
0 u/epsilona01 24 Jan 2016 23:57
I understand.. and I don't know why you got downvoted so hard.. but my point is that this is odd. Even more so because open source projects couldn't really care about their nonsense, as it doesn't relate to code in any way. It's more of an unwelcome intrusion, and if they weren't even part of the community then they're just out to make trouble. "Good intentioned individuals" is possible, but seems unlikely.
0 u/im_the_dude_man 24 Jan 2016 21:12
This is why the term "useful idiots" is thrown around a lot when discussing this subject.
3 u/the_narrator 24 Jan 2016 18:51
I think what they are after is a way to get people to do what they want by a form of extortion where they can threaten them with accusations of violating SJW norms, which are basically anything.
If you are the NSA and you want a backdoor in a project and some developer won't take a bribe you can just have some SJW tar and feather him and get his career destroyed with minimal effort by barring him from any project with the "covenant".
Suddenly the argument is not about the contributor 's code or technical ability but some second hand hearsay about something said at a convention meeting somewhere alleged to be derogatory to someone. It's like you can push a button and trash someone's career with no trial this way.
0 u/epsilona01 24 Jan 2016 19:06
Well, there is the theory that the entire SJW movement is created and pushed by The Powers That Be... and this fits right into it. Open source is anti-corporate to a degree, and certainly no friend of the NSA... so destroying the entire movement would work into that agenda, if it truly exists. Leave us in a DMCA-locked-down world where we have to pay Microsoft to turn Windows 10 features back on, and get all your info from the new corpa-net service you pay for.
1 u/the_narrator 25 Jan 2016 00:00
The best way then to point out the flaws in the SJW agenda is that there is no definition for what is abuse or offense and no way to dispute the validity of an allegation or even if rhe alleged act occurred.
The offense could be anything perceived, hearsay made up or otherwise so it is just a means for enabling someone with a lack of scruples to threaten, libel and replace individuals within an organization.
1 u/loststoic 24 Jan 2016 16:35
One of the guys on the code team I worked on could barely be called human. He should have been called 'Very Angry Programming Creature that drinks. Alot" He was/is good. Another guy I worked with was more of a 'Sloth that eats all day and blames you for his programming mistakes" creature. Wait..... I have an idea. We could make a Programming Creature Manual for employers. This will assist non-I.T. management in what they are seeing when they try to hire that next Rockstar Developer for your team.
edit: because I think faster than I type or spell.
5 u/aristotle07 25 Jan 2016 02:13
I really hate the concept of being blocked from a project you've spent hours, days, months and years contributing to and making a difference on the project because you posted something on Twitter or another forum which has nothing to do with the project. Its a lot like the situation with Brendan Eich. He's given so much to the community. His contributions are the primary reasons why I have a job.
Then one day he contribute a couple thousand dollars to an organization that happens to support anti-gay sentiment, and then it becomes, thanks for your years of contribution, but fuck you and don't let the door hit you on the way out. Many of these fucking SJW's wouldn't even have a job without this man.
I really believe that a CoC is not a solution to anything. Meritocracy, especially in code production should be the one and only one thing that matters.
I have to put up with SJW at work places and its a fucking pain in the ass. Case in point, I worked at a bank and I worked with a guy who had a pretty abrasive personality. I found out its was more of a front because he's had to deal with so many shitty developers he now doesn't give you the benefit of the doubt but expects you to prove yourself to him before he warms up to you. Yeah its a bit shitty but I understand where his frustration comes from. Furthermore, he's said things in his frustration, that could be misconstrued to be very insensitive. But he is also an industry wide well know programmer in the banking industry.
After a few lesser developers, which by that I mean developers whose unit test if they write it at all always fails, code is always below par, missed delivery timelines almost all the time with a ton of excuses, but also punches out everyday before 5pm, started complaining about this guys behavior and how they thought his abusive personality is the reason why their code sucked so bad. The fact that this guy gave the bank almost 10 years and was one of the primary driving forces of the banking system they have didn't even come up as a consideration.
IMO, the response to these ass holes complaining about him should have been, "eat shit and die", but they asked the guy to enroll in employee sensitivity classes and anger management classes.
The one thing I realized is that the people pulling the SJW card in tech always, always is people who do not contribute much to any project yet when the project is successful like an open source project they take credit like they worked on 90% of the project but their contributions are so miniscule that it was a grammar fix to the README file or some other small shit like that.
I wished github wouldn't give contribution credit to people whose contributions weren't accepted, no coding contribution, and it falls below a like 3% threshold. Right now it makes it easy to contribute nothing of value and makes it seem like you were a contributor like the CoralineAda bitch. All she's done is open tickets and try to get her CoC accepted and she's given credit like she was a coding contributor. I tried to look up her profile and couldn't find anything that indicated she was a programmer at all. Most of her activity is her stupid CoC and trying to push it on other projects.
2 u/djdevin 25 Jan 2016 02:25
yeah she's not a programmer. she just tries to stifle other programmers by bothering them with non-development issues.
every day, as a true open source contributor, I work with other programmers that I don't even know by real names, only screen names.
I could not care less about what their personal background is as long as they actually contribute to the project.
28 u/bryanedds [OP] 24 Jan 2016 05:50
Can't wait for the kangaroo courts stripped of due process just like they set up in American universities all over.
0 u/OrionBlastar 25 Jan 2016 02:01
Title IX, if accused of sexual assault or rape you have to prove you got consent first before you had sex. No lawyers, just the college court and your hearing.
Women can claim rape or sexual assault even if you got consent because they regret it later. Claim you forced her or she was drunk or stoned. They get rewarded with scholarships and grants and get to speak about their experiences for money like Mattress Girl. http://www.mindingthecampus.org/2015/06/did-mattress-girl-tell-the-truth-not-very-likely/
14 u/idunnome 24 Jan 2016 07:50
I've been working on learning Ruby more in-depth than to write "Hello World".
If this "Covenant" is accepted for the core language, I will have several Ruby books up for grabs.
In all seriousness, no computer language should need a covenant of any sort that polices thought and speech. If they are concerned about rabbit trails and downright despicable behavior on forums, that's what a Moderator is for. Arm the Moderator with something as ridiculous as a "covenant", and all it takes is one bad day to get everything you breathe or type to be eradicated.
Come on, people. The ancient Egyptians did that with people they didn't like. Are we going to go back three thousand years or more, just because someone gets butt-hurt?
If my code sucks, say so. (I probably know it already.) A covenant requiring people to use nice words isn't going to improve my code. Tell it like it is. Be constructive. I'll learn.
8 u/djdevin 24 Jan 2016 09:23
yup
5 u/RobotTiger 24 Jan 2016 13:24
Good, then we can execute them or make them slaves, thus ending the butthurt problem and launching us towards the future.
5 u/Turn_Coat 24 Jan 2016 10:56
Good to see people are wising up to these tactics though.
12 u/unixfreak 24 Jan 2016 09:57
Is this all this woman has time for? Targeting open source projects with harassment and threats to OBEY her orders? I gather LGBT and racism are issues... but what the fuck has it got to do with software? It's not like a project such as ruby is filled with in-your-face messages promoting racial hate or homophobia. If anyone was, they'd be shunned and looked down on without the need for a CoC.
It's just getting fucking ridiculous. Why doesn't this excuse of a woman go travel to saudi arabia and campaign for LGBT rights where people are executed for being gay. Oh sorry, i just realised, you do not care about that. Your goal is to get attention and fuck things up for everyone else just so you can feel special and involved without actually contributing anything of your sorry ass.
3 u/aristotle07 25 Jan 2016 02:34
The one thing I can't understand is, software development is as gender, race neutral as you get. No one knows your color, gender, religion, sexual preference, unless you go out of your way to advertise it somehow.
The fact that one thread specifically emphasized code rejection based on people of color, just blew my mind. As a project lead, I have very little time to code, code review, documentation, and all the other shit I do day to day, let alone do research on a few random contributors to find out that they are colored people and reject on that basis.
At the end of the day, pull requests are rejected because the code is bad, period.
11 u/WhiteRonin 24 Jan 2016 07:01
the person's github
Remember that she may have formed a few projects so itly be that not all of her repositories aren't zer's.
She should spend more time on her read.me's than than this code of conduct.
Is Ruby/rails that bad that people get shit for bad pull requests?
I participate on 2 of that largest laravel (php) communities and I've only seen 1 ass so far complain about trying to help with code that was written in Spanish, yet, he still helped.
If a girl shows up, guys go out of their way to help.
This is just an attention whore who writes one sentence to describe here repos!
3 u/KinkRaven 24 Jan 2016 12:01
She's a giant cunt and we her own CoC should he used against her to highlight the bullshit.
What a stupid cunt, her repos are shit too. All the SJW in that thread have shit all for code.
Not surprised
6 u/djdevin 24 Jan 2016 09:41
don't forget, she was responsible for starting this shitshow: https://github.com/opal/opal/issues/941
10 u/8.462643383279503e+19 24 Jan 2016 12:05
I have no words for this faggotry. Open source community must really be full of thirsty beta cucks, I would have banned anyone on sight who attempts to influence my project based on some bullshit on god damn Twitter.
5 u/european 24 Jan 2016 12:31
https://github.com/opal/opal/issues/941
4 u/BistroPalin 24 Jan 2016 08:15
I poked through the repository of the arrogant bully pushing this stuff and harassing people. Much of their code seems to be trivial wrappers for other libraries, plus scores of text documents about feminism and such, which have no business belonging on github as it is a code repository. Is anyone aware of anything significant this person has contributed to the technology field? Many of the people being harassed are significant and notable contributors who have done real work.
2 u/RobotTiger 24 Jan 2016 08:48
git is useful for storing character-edited files. shit documents about feminism would be as such.
2 u/Gamerdog6482 24 Jan 2016 17:28
Git, sure, but throwing that crap on Github rather than a dedicated (or personal) git server is pretty idiotic.
2 u/djdevin 24 Jan 2016 09:38
yeah this is usually the case. i have no idea why they call themselves developers
3 u/WhiteRonin 24 Jan 2016 06:11
Nakamura or whatever his last name is should speak up ... Japanese guys aren't normally pussies who pander to pussy mentality ...
1 u/Drenki 24 Jan 2016 06:12
Haha, what?
0 u/CobraStallone 24 Jan 2016 06:20
Well, they don't have modern Western ideas about gender and such I think he meant. We all know Asian men are a bit effete.
3 u/WhiteRonin 24 Jan 2016 06:23
Shit! Nakamura was Bitcoin.
Matsumoto Yukihiro wrote Ruby.
But, lol, I finally looked up some pictures of him ... Reminds me of those Japanese guys who collect Loli figures and goes to those weird coffee shops in Akihabara ...
So never mind my post. He just might not follow standard Japanese guy mentality.
2 u/due 24 Jan 2016 06:57
I hope Matz rejects this. I think he will. It'll be a matter of how he goes about doing this. He's Japanese and Mormon. I don't think he's subscribed to SJW beliefs.
3 u/WhiteRonin 24 Jan 2016 07:11
Mormon?
Are you sure he's a practioner or did he just attend the free English classes?
2 u/TibbyTurtle 24 Jan 2016 08:54
I honestly don't understand what feminists/SJWs have to gain by going after open source software? Like of all the oppression in the world, hell even of the completely made up oppression they think they experience in western society, a bunch of open source software projects have absolutely no connection to any of that.
Stuff like the ruby, django, php, and linux communities have no influence on anything that would ever have any noticeable impact on the average person or anyone outside of the development community. So why on earth have radical feminists made this their target? Same with gaming, why are they going after all these targets that have absolutely no involvement in the "institutional sexism" that they pretend exists and claim they're against?
1 u/Gamio 24 Jan 2016 10:21
They're in those spaces for the same reason they are in indie game dev spaces, alt culture music genres, comics, youtube, and generally anywhere that is typically male dominated but not exclusively for men and have no barriers to entry based on gender or physical appearance in order to have the audience "opposition" they desperately want to validated of their beliefs. Nothing proves you need feminism like being told that feminism has no place in a place which doesn't give a fuck about your gender, looks, beliefs, or pronouns.
You'd know that most open source places (and in the real world) have an unwritten "close your mouth unless you've got something worth hearing" policy meaning you don't get attention when you talk about shit unless there is a specific reason to pay attention to what you say. If you want to talk about this or that being sexist you would have probably been told that this isn't the place to discuss such things and anyone doing real work was just not interested. These ego parasites need to inject identity politics where ever they can because it erases the unwritten policy, it makes it important to listen to certain people because gender or race becomes a factor in a place where no one has a gender or race before now.
Codes of Conduct changes, anti harassment initiatives, women in X drives etc from these people are all efforts to grandstand on the stage of identity politics because resistance proves you were right to suggest things change and acceptance demonstrates you are a progressive activist making the world a "better" place. That and they are always followed around by loud, poorly informed groupies who hear the key words of "women, harassment, racism" and chime in like they know anything. (just like me)
5 u/tame 24 Jan 2016 14:07
Simple. It's a way for people to gain influence despite lacking the technical skills required to gain influence by way of technical merit. It's not about oppression or discrimination, it's about sociopolitical power.
1 u/TibbyTurtle 24 Jan 2016 15:18
If their target is sociopolitical power, then a bunch of software development communities is a pretty damn low target on the sociopolitical influence scale.
1 u/tame 24 Jan 2016 15:54
These people are hardly taking over parliament. They're just as shy and socially awkward as most of us geeks, they just happen to have an axe to grind so they're going after what they see as the softest possible target.
Edit: It's not about making the whole world listen, it's about making someone - anyone - listen to them. So maybe "sociopolitical power" was the wrong way to describe it. They want their persecution complex validated and then their "persecutors" overthrown in front of a sympathetic audience.
2 u/Boxworth 24 Jan 2016 19:02
How can an internet community discriminate against the anonymous? If no one knows your identity, they can't really be racist or sexist toward you. What is this even about?
1 u/Sikozen 24 Jan 2016 16:21
Wow. This is pretty terrible. Many people saying 'please don't censor this this way - it isn't necessary and can be used to hurt us by petty people who will be put in charge' and then the person who suggested it popping in every now and then saying 'Shh shh shh - I know what's best. We need these rules and people to rule over you. I know it didn't work in other communities, but here's an instance of someone acknowledging it didn't work, (virtually killing the community,) but thanking me for pushing for it. That's reason enough to implement it in this arena as well. If you don't want this, you are one of those people who want to hurt people in this community.'
It's not subtle at all and very manipulative. Creepy AF. GL, Ruby.
1 u/glasskebabs 24 Jan 2016 19:19
The social justice movement is actually a movement for stupid people to not be under intelligent people anymore. They believe by being born intelligent, we are privileged. Stupid people are people, too, basically.
1 u/CrudOMatic 24 Jan 2016 19:51
The 5 mystical genders of Cuckdom:
1 u/Loumedia 25 Jan 2016 05:18
For anyone struggling to understand, these people will stalk your online accounts. If you say anything deemed against cultural Marxism, you will be labeled a phoebic something or other, and they will demand you removed from any work you do on these projects.
0 u/heebiejeebie 24 Jan 2016 06:40
Fuck, I like Ruby. I'm thinking about getting a job in RoR.
0 u/monetus 24 Jan 2016 06:58
So what is the demonstrable problem? Can someone point me to something that's happened? I can't be mad at a bunch of people hugging each other unless someone changes my understanding and so far this thread is seemingly a collection of "fuck those guys".
3 u/oddlydrawn 24 Jan 2016 08:17
Nothing seems to have happened, in this case at least. Yukihiro Matsumoto seems to be against it for the right reasons:
The screenshot with proposed changes
If someone's misbehaving and you tell them to chill, both could be removed from the project for misbehaving and for not enforcing the CoC.
There's also the harassment-free experience regardless of ... "belief" ...
And temporarily or permanently banning someone because they deemed behaviors to be inappropriate or offensive.
I mean, with your downvotes, I'm sure people in this thread deemed your comments inappropriate.
4 u/unixfreak 24 Jan 2016 10:09
"unprofessional conduct" (in the screenshot)
What has professionalism go to do with open source / free / libre software. Torvalds is a perfect example of why it isn't needed. Tell it how it is, give the finger to nvidia, and tell people when their code is shit -- they get the point immediately and they learn from it. If it makes you cry, then fix it if you want your code merged.
Otherwise people assume they are doing the right thing, when they are not. Look at a bunch of kids... When little peter can't even scribble a stick figure, and the teacher goes "awww well done, that's brilliant" they keep drawing shitty scribbles. Tell them it's shit, make them cry, and they will learn how to improve things. I'm not saying you should literally swear at your children, but for the sake of telling it how it is -- this is better than professionalism -- it encourages advancement and learning for everyone.
Professionalism is a strange lived-out fantasy (particularly if you wear a suit and sit in an office of clones), i find it bizarre, and tend to associate it with psychopathy. The idea of pretending you are some kind of shrink wrapped plastic figure who conforms to all "norms" defined by an individual is baffling.
Professionalism is not needed in the open source world. The whole point of freedom is just that. To be free from monopolization and corporation. It is essentially the anarchy of computing, it does not require political correctness or Code of Cocksucking agreements and contracts.
Sorry, rant over.
1 u/monetus 25 Jan 2016 00:09
Thanks for actually answering. I'm often frustrated when I see a thread filled with vitriol and this time, just wanted to see what the fury was about. After looking at the twitter, I don't see how that lady could be genuinely mad. Its ridiculous and its fucking shameful matz would even feel he had to weigh in on something like that.
Codes of conduct should never be in a language core I think. What could be enforced, unless the language itself was proprietary and licensed per use? It is fine that people are pissed.
Querying an obfuscated situation should never be downvoted. Fuck those downvotes.
0 u/oddlydrawn 25 Jan 2016 01:21
No problem. I too was curious about the situation. People should explain a bit about the links they post instead of just dumping them but I guess they'll get upvoted since people aren't posting better content.
I think code of conducts should only be required for legal organizations and only to the extent the law requires.
1 u/i_am_triggered 24 Jan 2016 10:48
Look up higher in this thread, there is a link to project called opal where they were trying to get core contributor kicked out of project because he tweeted something they didn't like. Adopting this CoC means removing people for project unrelated private opinions, it's explicitly there in the CoC.
0 u/monetus 25 Jan 2016 00:10
thanks, wasnt there when i posted though.
0 u/Turn_Coat 24 Jan 2016 10:55
It's good to see folks are wising up to this bullshit.
0 u/swfreak 24 Jan 2016 12:58
Seems like the PC crowd who successfully infiltrated mainstream culture now wants to do the same with other sub cultures like tech, gaming and science. All dominated by men. The perfect target for their "re-education".
These people are fierce ideologues and zealots. They want everyone to bow to their world view and standards.
You all should really read Eric Raymonds take on this. This might really be just a very clever form of political infiltration.
http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=6918
http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=6907
0 u/PushYourself 24 Jan 2016 13:26
A code of conduct is essential on help forums.
Works of art, however, should not be censored or held to diversity quotas.
What does this "Code of Conduct" affect? Works? Just forums and community?
0 u/BottomLine 24 Jan 2016 16:24
Jesus Christ, just that avatar alone.
Hell no, that's all I'm saying.
0 u/northernarcher 24 Jan 2016 17:19
Oh god no, not Ruby too.
0 u/raydeen 24 Jan 2016 18:59
I don't understand anything any more. I don't think I know any SJWs, and probably wouldn't know they were SJW's even if I did. For the Love of Mike, just code. It's very easy to put people on the /ignore list.
0 u/CrudOMatic 24 Jan 2016 19:32
Just wait until they get to "Struggle Sessions"
0 u/ginx2666 24 Jan 2016 19:40
Huh... I don't like feminazi and sjw, because they're feminazi and sjws, and I don't like Ruby fanatics, because they're stuck up, arrogant, snobbish retards... But the latter were just unfortunate enough to invest their time in hipster programming language, while the former are pure evil, so I'll guess I'll stick with hipsters.
0 u/ObscureReference 25 Jan 2016 03:29
Have a look at her history when you click on her name. Maybe it only goes back X days but I don't see much history with her in this group other then this one issue literally showing her registered five days ago. https://redmine.ruby-lang.org/users/10446
0 u/dchem 01 Feb 2016 11:17
Good bye Ruby.
0 u/dchem 01 Feb 2016 11:29
There's some hope yet!
0 u/RewriteFullwise 11 Feb 2016 03:03
Just look at the sheer volume of distraction that caused. Hundreds upon hundreds of comments. All of that time could have been spent on actually doing work. There is simply no limit to the amount these people will take. That is all they know how to do, give them an inch and they will take, and take, and take until there is nothing left.
Do not ever give in to a single thing these people "demand".
-1 u/str82thabankwiththis 24 Jan 2016 20:34
Judging by the comments in that entire thread I do think the SJW side has a point. It's just about making the Ruby community not be full of asshole neckbeards. Is it any coincidence that the angriest, most hostile people in that thread are those opposing it? It's because they can't make any coherent argument as to why it is a bad thing. Also, Eric S. Raymond is a little bit nutty. Is it any coincidence a software development would be a gun nut? Like hello, you're not tough, you're a computer nerd. You'd probably lose to a 12 year old in an actual fight. Not to mention all the minority groups he probably wants to shoot.
1 u/captbrogers 25 Jan 2016 02:54
Way to stereotype. I'm sure everything you just posted could be used to get you thrown out of any online community because you just made programmers feel unsafe.
But then again, I'm an adult and can shrug off your opinion. Which is why I'm against CoCs, because I expect everyone to just be an adult and act appropriately.