we are on a sub for people who get banned for things

>This is about guns, perfect example, what is more important? The threat to society, or the individual right? The biggest threat to society would be banning guns and leaving governments, specifically the united states government with its gigantic military, without a check on executive power in the form of revolutions if it should go fully authoritarian. The media are ghouls that parade dead kids to convince people to ban guns, but that doesn't occur in places where guns are banned, even though they also have mass casualty events with kids and schools. 20,000 people die from firearm homicides in america every year. But if the american government decided that it just wanted to use its overwhelming military to dominate the planet in a situation where the american public couldn't fight back, couldn't stop the government, then we would see millions of deaths worldwide every year from the carpet bombings.

The impression I generally get of liberals is that liberals believe that subjectivity is more of a force than it is, or is more controllable than it is in reality. Liberals are generally the ones who believe that twisting words and pushing narratives will encourage people towards certain actions they feel are desirable for society. They believe that just giving people more training and more support will be sufficient to make them good citizens. This doesn't seem to be correct when you look at the data. I think that's a commonality between the extreme libs and the moderates libs, the extreme libs just get more angry that their attempts at manipulation are receiving pushback, because it causes cognitive dissonance in their worldview that existence is subjective and that you can make your own truth in society by changing words.

Gun control is a silly position, which is transparently the government pushing for people to give up guns so they can have more power to unilaterally demand things of the population without fear of reprisal. Every argument they make in the controlled media is insincere. For instance the media screams about the murder rates being due to guns. This was a cornerstone of the australian media when they pushed gun bans. The murder rate pre and post australian gun ban was completely unchanged, and recently has even risen. Mass stabbings took the place of mass shootings, but the media doesn't care about that because the goal was always disarmament for political control. They just use dead children to play on your sympathy because they are ghouls.