Dinosaurs. The allusion was to dinosaurs.

Was it hard seeing all your friends die when the meteor hit?

That's not frameworks. Coders use frameworks. That's engineers with a smattering of VBA knowledge. Sure, they usually use VBA wpf or web forms, but bad code is bad code, regardless of framework.

And you've never run into the database that the engineer built who decided that the 20 letter long sku needs to be the primary key, and they need a second key, just because. And another engineer added tables with a different naming schema 2 years later then nobody used foreign keys for anything,just common names and SKUs and of course they did it in access so when someone goes to look up data the 14 tools they wrote(then lost all the source code, of course) in VBA stop working and catastrophe.

And my favorite. Anytime anyone wanted data they wrote a brand new sketchy view, so there are 20 views for the same table, 10 of which query the same fields in different orders.

/Jealous

... you must work in a software only company and not an industrial corporation if you haven't seen what engineers do to databases when programmers aren't around.

Which isn't an insult. I'm jealous.

Yea, sure. They also have intimate knowledge of interbase, Oracle, product center, SQL, various proprietary data wrappers, years of understanding how corporate systems and databases interact with each other and when/why data needs to be replicated where. A team of Indian programmers could do my job for what I make, it'd probably cost the company millions after they corrupt a database, but they could do it.

None of which changes the fact that a crud application that touches 4 databases is just a crud application and is easy as shit to write in angular/.net

Would that I had the patience to teach lol. That attempt would either get me killed or vice versa

A simple corporate crud form doesn't need to innovate everything. A browser application helps make sure that everyone is using the latest version of your software. Building something simple from scratch is pointless and inefficient. Using a framework makes code easier to read and understand and can radically reduce technical debt, if done properly. Sometimes you need to reinvent the wheel, usually a standardl wheel works just fine and saves time.

You're an idiot. I work on half a dozen projects a hear and would be able toanage maybe 2 without frameworks to do most of the grunt work. Most coding isn't rocket science, it's fucking accounting which frameworks are excellent at.

Heh, I feel like the opposite, every now and then my co workers tell me about some mundane manual entry task they've got to do that will take X months and I compulsively have to write a script or applet to cut the time down to hours/days. I call it laziness by proxy.