Lots of words but a fun read. It's actually pretty good and I figured I'd share it here instead of in the math sub. Curmudgeons!

I never even heard of such terms (agile or waterfall) until just about the time I retired. I'd already long since hired actual competent programmers.

They largely used the Roundtoit method. It got done when they got around to it. They go faster if you give them the tools they ask for and get the fuck out of their way.

I also have a soft spot for Perl. So, I can relate.

LOL I'm surprised you'd not seen it before.

Also, I figured some of you may not have seen this before. I figure it's the weekend. I will give your brains a rest and probably won't seek out hard stuff for you today. I mean, I will if you want. I have a backlog of links I can post from my laptop. But, it's the holiday weekend. Enjoy it. I'm waiting for my daughter to arrive and my son is out with friends.

I know how much you curmudgeons love JavaScript, so I figured I'd link this one. ;-)

I don't suppose current education covers the majority of topics I link to.

All I can do is link them and hope for the best.

Not my usual type of submission, but it's not a bad article and worth reading. If nothing else, it's always good to keep our education up.

I found it by transversing the 'net from this URL

https://rawgit.com/wlievens/scallywag/master/index.html

Which is surprisingly more fun than it looks like.

Best curmudgeon reply of the day!

You don't have to admit it, everybody loves Perl!

Someday, I'll tell you all about my misadventure in Perl and how I wrote the most insecure script ever written - and it's still in use today. Yup... It's going on 20 years of the most insecure script being used on a regular basis. (I'm not actually a good programmer, but I think we've established this already.)

G'morning curmudgeons! I didn't forget about you - I was just busy. Today, we have something lighter but something wonderful and new. In fact, it's so new, that it's for next month. You can have it early, I guess.

Not only did MS put "error" in the URL, they have the article for January of 2018. I don't know why, so my excuse is it's Microsoft.

Thanks! I'll have time for a video this afternoon.

I am pretty sure 50% of Voat doesn't actually know what AI is, 5% think it's Skynet, 3% know what it really is, and 2% can't even spell AI.

This should keep the v/programming curmudgeons amused for days. I was going to put it in v/AI, but I think it's more appropriate here - though I could x-post it. (I seldom x-post. Someone else can, I'm not concerned.)

Anyhow, this one should keep you amused for a while. There's a ton of stuff linked from the page and it's all in nice curated lists.

Yes, yes I did link this just to see the replies. Well, it's also a fine resource but I anticipate curmudgeon replies.

I fucking love you v/programming curmudgeons.

Good morning, my favorite Voat curmudgeons! This morning, I want you to wake up to this.

That's right, I waited all night to submit this so that you'd have it here in the morning. Mostly 'cause I like grumpy old men.

Yes, I know, you use vi(m) just like you have for the past thirty years - but that's probably 'cause you haven't figured out how to exit it.

Not to worry, I lived in emacs for years.

Anyhow, it's time to try a GUI text editor. We can all agree, IDEs are for n00bs.

Also, g'morning curmudgeons!

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I can't reason you out of a position you didn't reason yourself into. I'm not actually sure why you feel qualified to opine? You appear to not even understand the basics.

The difference is that these technologies and standards are open. These don't need a proprietary browser. These can be implemented by anyone who has the means to do so. These are specs that are open for everyone.

Therein lies the difference.

Well, so I understand the complaints. I don't have a nickel invested.

That makes sense, thanks!

Elaborate, if you don't mind?

Yeah, the cloud isn't much different than the mainframes I used to work with. It is different, but not fundamentally so very different. What's old is new again, I suppose.

As an older person, it amuses me to see them make the same mistakes the generation before them made. Surely, it'll work this time!

I'd kind of welcome that, but I've just recently decided to join the Mobile Revolution and do a fair portion of my computing on a tablet. I've been at it for almost a year. It's actually kind of horrible - but I told myself I'd try to join the mobile world and so I've gone through four tablets and finally settled on an iPad. I am considering getting a Surface and slapping Lubuntu on it. I'd get a bluetooth keyboard, but that kind of defeats the point of having a tablet.

Oh, yes. My fascination has that we run around with virtual supercomputers in our pockets but use them like they are the dumb terminals of yore. If I want a dumb terminal, Wyse is still in business.

Better than I expected.

Good morning, my favorite Voat Curmudgeons! I'd like to make it clear that the "me" in this is distinctly not me, because I didn't feel it was appropriate to change the title of the submission.

It's a beautiful day! I smashed some snow! I know you curmudgeons don't really care - and that's why I tell you! You're my favorite grumpy old men of Voat.

I'll add it to my list. I'm going to order a few of them. If nothing else, they'll make fine additions to my library.

LOL I've been looking at TensorFlow and AI, lately. I'm thinking about buying a few books and seeing where that takes me.

Yeah, it's not a job I'd even remotely dream of accepting today. Not a chance.

I do like to read code from other people - and I like to learn about it. Sometimes I'll tweak something and submit a patch, but I haven't done any real programming in ages. I hate to admit this, but I'm also a bit fond of PHP. I have a bit of a home setup here that has a web interface and it works surprisingly well.

Look, curmudgeons, I could think of no better sub to place this. Yes, I know it's web development but that is technically programming.

I think it's C for SJWs and is the Mozilla language that is type safe. It's like C with a condem, I guess. It's supposed to produce safe code, disallowing me the chance to stomp all over it's memory or to escape it. I haven't tried it.

Now you're just karma whoring. You know damned well I'm gonna vote that up.

I like C. I can program in C. I can't program well, but I can do more than "Hello World." It has been a while, and I'd have to go through the various syntax again, but I'd pick it up pretty quickly.

Is it accurate when people say that Rust is the rightful successor to C?

Nah, dig in there - there's some gold but you have to mine for it.

You curmudgeon!

LOL I kind of suspected this submission would get some curmudgeon responses!

I actually giggle when my v/programming submissions get downvoted. I love my math subs and I think the people in them are great, but I get a special sort of joy from submitting to this sub. I do try to push the content heavy CompSci, more than top-tens, memes, and fluff. I am pretty sure it's appreciated, judging by the votes in a low-volume sub. But, still, the curmudgeons crack me up.

I actually look forward to, read, and even learn from the responses I get. While I can program a little, and have even programmed professionally - albeit a lifetime ago, I'd never say I'm a programmer. I'm not. I actually hate it - to actually do it. On the other hand, I like to read code and I don't mind changing code. I also like to read about code and to keep up with what's going on with the programming languages.

It amuses me to no end to see the popularity of Java and JavaScript (and yes, I know they're very different languages). See, I've seen all the complaints and comments - since the 90s. I've seen haters become fans. I've seen them both become standards. I've seen the owner of Java change. I've seen the fretting and the rise of OpenJDK. I've seen the millions of JavaScript frameworks come and go. I've watched y'all bitch about them - while some gushed over them. I've seen them both become reasonably fast and relatively secure - potentially.

I do enjoy programmers. I'm pretty sure you're all born grumpy old men. Even women programmers are born grumpy old men! ;-)

You could, but most people in that age wouldn't be programming anymore - they'd be managers or project leads. I'm gonna peg my guess at 43.

You don't have to tell me if I'm right, of course. However, I'm dumping some content that might be right up your alley. Hard CompSci stuff, good theoretical stuff, stuff that makes you go, "Huh?" Ideally, someone will read it and learn something. I just read abstracts, for some of them, and then skim them to give them a quick sanity check. I'm a maths geek, not a CompSci person.

This is pretty basic, really. But, it's well done. So, there... You damned curmudgeons! ;-)

Ah - you're probably in your 40s, then.

I'll see what I can find to add for you grumpy curmudgeons today. ;-)

Indeed. My goal is to provide things that are educational, not regurgitation and puff piece shit. Someone else can post memes and top ten lists. I post things that are aimed towards those who wish to learn more. See my submission history, for many, many examples.