> so those would be the biggest threats to a libertarian ideal. The biggest threat to libertarian ideals is reality.... Their "solutions", the few that they offer, don't work in the real world.

> I consider myself a libertarian If anyone ever tells you this just accept that they are conservative: They care about self interested and couldn't give a fuck if someone else needs help. They oppose taxes. They will tell you like equality and social programs, but they don't want the government telling them what to do and they don't want to pay to fund the social programs. They want to drive environmentally destructive vehicles on public roads and they are unwilling to pay to do either. At least when some says: "I'm a conservative". They have SOME integrity and will tell you where they stand. They won't pretend to be some enlightened middle of the road path to great compromise with the solution to all of the problems. I'd rather interact with a trumper ANY DAY than a self described libertarian.