Funny thing, for the first like 12 hours of the comment it was sitting around 2 upvotes. Passed out and came back to this shitstorm and like 20 comment replies 😂

It didn’t have to be as accepted as today to still be considered the general consensus. I’ve done additional digging on this since our conversation began and I am still only finding sources saying that it was generally accepted in the physics community by the 20’s. You happen to have a source showing otherwise? I would love to do some additional reading.

I mean, isn’t that entirely the point? Consensus just means majority support in these cases, so proving that the dissenting ideology is a large enough portion to challenge the accepted stance really does matter. Like think of Project Steve. It was a scientific movement created to directly combat the fairly extensive list of scientists that didn’t believe in evolution that was being pushed repeatedly by creationists. Project Steve was created to prove that, just using scientists with the first name Steve, the number of scientists supporting evolution was wildly larger.

No, that doesn’t make me an alt-right conspiracy theorist even within leftist bubbles.

And my education and sources said it was generally accepted in the 20’s. The existence of opposition doesn’t invalidate that.

That’s interesting. If you acknowledge that various aspect of climate change are man-made and real, then you’re obviously not a climate denier. Mind giving me an example of some action you’re vocally opposed to that leads people to accusing you of being a climate denier?

So you’re literally saying we can’t trust scientists because the the political motivations behind their research, but are failing to provide evidence other than “trust me bro”. Again, if you’re going to assert that an artificial scientific consensus has been reached due to politicization of their field, you have to provide me some evidence or cite your sources.

…..and your point?

Generally speaking, the people disagreeing with the consensus on issues you just listed are arguing politics and not science. Thats likely why people get so much backlash when pushing a narrative that conflicts with the views of the wider scientific community on topics like climate change.

If you’re going to sit here and imply funding agencies are creating artificial consensus through strong-arming researchers you’re gonna have to cite your sources. And not just sources talking about funding being pulled from labs. You will specifically need a source that displays a false consensus and the systems used to create that. Yes, funding is finicky. That doesn’t mean there is a cabal of bad actors in the field using their money to strong-arm scientists into creating a false consensus on a mass scale. Period.

As a slightly more reasonable response than my first one, I’ll just go ahead and say that scientific funding isnt centralized to the point where one entity can push an agenda to the point of reaching general consensus in their field, especially with so much scientific advancement coming from University labs these days.

Source; trust me bro.

Not to mention his example also largely proves him wrong. Einstein published his final paper on relativity in 1915 and it was already adopted as scientific consensus by 1920.

Again, it feels like you stopped reading after my first sentence.

My problem is when people misinterpret an incorrect scientific consensus and attribute it to malice or incompetence. More often than not, the incorrect conclusion was reached due to a lack of data or reliable information and once that data or information becomes available, the consensus shifts. It is wise to heed current scientific consensus when talking about legislation because 99% of the time, the consensus expresses the *best information available at the time*. We can then course correct and make changes as more information comes out. Saying “scientific consensus is unscientific” is flat out batshit insane.

Yeahh, i honestly get the feeling that there are Republican operatives with modship in some interesting subs. Just yesterday I caught r/latestagecapitolism upvoting and front paging Babylon Bee articles LMAO

There’s the backpedaling I’ve been waiting for. Just acknowledge that supporting abortion and gay rights is pretty fucking far from conservative ideology. It’s not that difficult. You can do all of the mental gymnastics you want to pretend conservatives don’t dislike these things when every one of their actions or worlds are directly to the contrary.

Roe made it illegal to federally ban abortions and states could write their own laws with what they would allow within their framework. What you’re saying the repeal of Roe does is ACTUALLY what the system beforehand did. It barred any states from flatly banning abortion while allowing them to pass restrictions on what was legally allowed in the state. You either had zero clue how Roe and abortion was handled before the overturn or you’re arguing incredibly disingenuously.

Yes, if you agree that abortion should be legally protected and that gay marriage is A-Ok, you are not an American conservative. Because American conservatives are actively fighting both of those things, as shown by the conservative majority SC overturning Roe and conservative Republican congress members calling for a “reevaluation of same-sex marriage”. You literally proved my point bud.

And which universe is that? Because in the one we live in now, THE conservative party in America just banned abortion rights and have repeatedly stated that we need to “reevaluate the legality of same-sex marriage.” Unless you’re implying that the democrats are conservative, but I don’t think that’s what you’re implying.

In what fucking universe does that make you conservative?

So the entire Republican Party is a walking hypocrisy. Gotcha.

That’s a dogshit retort LMAO. So you think American conservatives stand for gay rights and abortion? You’re either incredibly stupid or incredibly disingenuous. American conservatives literally took away abortion rights just this year.

Calling someone who is pro-choice and gay rights “conservative” is a fucking joke.