>No, my argument is that it isn't torture and I gave you a consice explanation. Now, instead.of refuting you just call me an extremist because you disagree with me Your explanation was basically, "because I don't believe sources outside the military". Or rather, "certain specific guidelines", because you don't believe marine crops generals or people who have experienced it apperantly. >'I've always found, give me a pack of cigarettes and a couple of beers and I do better with that than I do with torture.' -Ret. Marine Corps Gen. James Mattis http://edition.cnn.com/2016/11/23/politics/waterboarding-trump-mattis/ > "I wanted to prove it wasn't torture," Mancow said. "They cut off our heads, we put water on their face... I got voted to do this but I really thought 'I'm going to laugh this off.' " With video: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/05/22/mancow-waterboarded-video_n_206906.html Christopher Hitchens, belived and argued like you, until he tried it: http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2008/08/hitchens200808 The best part about all of this, it doesn't really work anyway(like most torture, it just results in people telling them want they think they want to hear). >The CIA's use of its enhanced interrogation techniques was not an effective means of acquiring intelligence or gaining cooperation from detainees. https://info.publicintelligence.net/Senate-CIA-TortureReport.pdf